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Video shows Urban's right, but does it matter?

A post or two down from this one, we mentioned a hit on Tim Tebow that Urban Meyer felt should have been penalized but wasn’t.

We had looked all over the ‘net, utilizing our very limited Google skills, and couldn’t find a clip of it. Thanks to the Orlando Sentinel, we now have one.

Here’s the play Meyer addressed earlier today in his SEC coaches teleconference:

Clearly, Georgia’s Nick Williams could’ve — check that, should’ve — been flagged on the play.  It very much seemed to fall within some sort of an unnecessary roughness/roughing the quarterback circle, and Meyer was right to send it to the league for review.  No doubt it.

But that’s not the point in this situation.

The point is whether or not Meyer opened up a Slivora’s Box for the SEC by his comments that were seemingly critical of the officials for not calling a penalty on the play.  Again, given the conference’s new policy on criticizing officials, does what Meyer said fall under the new guidelines, and should he be facing a suspension?

By attempting to solve one problem, the SEC looks to have created a whole other set of unintended consequences.  And a situation where the head coach of the No. 1 team in the country and the defending national champions could find himself sidelined if the SEC’s edict has any type of teeth at all.

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  1. grandavenue says: Nov 4, 2009 3:49 PM

    The SEC officials gave Florida loads of calls. Not to mention the SEC accepted the LAME excuse for discipline against Spikes in what everyone sees is a DIRTY play.
    Can Chuck Weiss get fired so Urban can bolt for South Bend?? Sick of Florida and the SEC.

  2. SilverGator says: Nov 4, 2009 3:57 PM

    1) The rule was put in place for coaches who took it upon themselves to criticize officials decisions.
    2) Meyer did not mention this whatsoever until he was asked. If you read the WHOLE QUOTE and not just a little part, he makes it very clear that he respected SEC officiating but thought there should have been a call on the play. The END of his quote said that he would not discuss it further and would not mention the ruling the SEC laid down on that particular play out of respect for SEC rules and guidelines.
    You are head hunting here for no reason whatsoever. What Meyer said is nothing like what Kiffin, Petrino and Mullen did.

  3. leatherneck says: Nov 4, 2009 3:57 PM

    No incentive for BCS conference teams to play Boise State
    WAC commissioner Karl Benson told the Idaho Statesman on Wednesday that Boise State is struggling to schedule a BCS-conference opponent for 2011 — even with the help (and exposure and money) of ESPN behind the effort.
    The Broncos are not asking for a return game in Boise. Just one road game. And about 10 teams have turned the Broncos down, according to Benson.
    “They’re running into a situation where nobody will schedule them, nobody will take them,” Benson told the Statesman’s Chadd Cripe……..

  4. md2020 says: Nov 4, 2009 3:58 PM

    Nick Williams should be suspended for the remainder of the season and six games next year and water boarded and have his license revoked and be forced to register a sex offender and be put in time out and tarred and feathered and spanked and pay a fine of $200 before passing go, etc.
    Come Gator haters! It’s tough being the best. Wait ’til we’re back next year without boy Jesus! I can only imagine what it will be like then.
    Thanks for your response JT, technical difficulties I guess. Love the site, keep up the good work!

  5. hrudey says: Nov 4, 2009 4:12 PM

    I suppose it’ll depend a lot on the context of Urban’s response, the actual letter of the bylaw, and whether the SEC review had already suggested that there should have been a penalty. All of those things, presumably, could be investigated and reported, if only we had the freedom of press in this country. 😉
    From the full quote in the story reported, though, it doesn’t look like he’s criticizing the officials in terms of their integrity or competence. If that’s what drew reprimands (as opposed to discussing matters of “fact”, like Saban and Spurrier re: Tapegate), he should be in the clear. But the comment about the referee standing right there and needing to protect QBs might be enough to push it over the edge.
    I suppose the SEC could go for humor value and suspend him for the second half of the Vandy game.

  6. Seeryer says: Nov 4, 2009 4:38 PM

    If I coached against Tim Tebow I would instruct my players to hit him on every run play. Every fake he carried out he would get hit. Every bootleg fake, he would get hit. Every option play, he would get hit. Yuo can’t have your QB run the ball 20 times a game and then bitch that he was hit while carrying out a fake option. Of course Williams knew he did not have the ball but he was not a defensless QB in this situation, he was carrying out a fake. It is on Tebow to keep his head on a swivel in that situation. Willaims did nothing wrong and that is why he was not flagged.

  7. tryagain says: Nov 4, 2009 4:49 PM

    ‘Video shows Urban’s right, but does it matter?’
    Nope, it does not matter. He should face punishment. While he didn’t say anything too damning- he did criticize the officials plain and simple by saying the referee missed it. Sorry, but that is criticism regardless of what any gator fan seems to comprehend.
    If he doesn’t get any type of reprimand/punishment I will then start to believe that the SEC powers that be and Florida are in bed together. I’ve held out this long but after about the 50th instance in one season, I’m starting to see what folks have been talking about.

  8. SwampSide says: Nov 4, 2009 4:53 PM

    You do realize that the league only gives out half game suspensions for fighting dont you. I mean it’s a really bad thing he did, but what do you want the league to do?
    And sorry Seeryer, but you have no clue what you are talking about. How do consider it carrying out a fake, when a player is standing still with no ball in his hand? I could see if he was somewhat carrying out a fake still. But the play was already over. Maybe you should rewatch the video.

  9. gator_prof says: Nov 4, 2009 5:06 PM

    Tebow was standing still when he got creamed, not carrying out a fake. You basically have a LB taking a cheap shot on a QB…a head shot on a QB who already has a concussion on his resume this year.
    Here is a cleaner video,
    That being said, it is good hard football to hit to the echo of the whistle. You push the boundaries as much as the refs let you. Tebow needs to keep his head on a swivel.
    This, among other plays, is why Slive is o.k. with a 1/2 game for Spikes.
    Oh, I forgot, 41-17. UGA will be lucky to be bowl eligible this year. I guess that this can be considered some sort of moral victory as it is an improvement over the 49-10 beat down from 2008. Tenn Tech could be the last Dawgs victory this season!

  10. Wrathchild says: Nov 4, 2009 5:19 PM

    Whatevs…Meyer’s linebackers can try to gouge the eyes out of a Georgia player and he whines about this? Child, please. Meyer can just STFU IMO.
    Oh, and BTW, this happens all the time to option QBs. You get nailed, late, after pitching the ball. Too friggin’ bad.

  11. hrudey says: Nov 4, 2009 5:29 PM
    #begin quote:
    UPDATE (4:52 p.m.): Southeastern Conference Commissioner Mike Slive is reviewing Florida Coach Urban Meyer’s remarks Wednesday about a late hit on quarterback Tim Tebow, SEC spokesman Charles Bloom told the Sentinel.
    Slive is currently out of the office, but an announcement could be made about whether Meyer will be punished for saying that Georgia linebacker Nick Williams’ hit on Tebow “should have been a penalty in my opinion.”
    #end quote
    I find it difficult to believe that Petrino can say “they don’t call it that way in Florida” and Kiffin can complain about another phantom penalty or Mullen can call them incompetent and needing to be fired, but Meyer be the one that needs to be suspended. And yet, that’s probably what has to happen. (*)
    (*) — Please do not construe this as a criticism of the SEC and/or their officials. Do not suspend me.

  12. Seeryer says: Nov 4, 2009 5:29 PM

    @ Idiot Gator fans
    When Brandon James motions to the inside and Tebow hands off up the middle then runs parallel to the line with James keeping the pitch distance then yes that is carrying out a fake. You think James comes across the field for nothing? No, he is doing it to occupy a LB so he won’t immediately jump on the dive play. Have any of you ever played football? Just because Tebow did a poor job of carrying out a fake does not mean he wasn’t. Also, Tebow keeps that dive play and runs the option off of it so Williams did the right thing. If Nesbitt hands off a dive play and carries out an option fake and gets drilled while looking at the FB he just gave the ball to is that considered unnecessary roughness? Of course not, why, becasue he runs that play constantly and keeps the ball. The same on this play with Tebow. I guarantee if James had not motioned inside and ran to the right as if it was an option to the right than Williams would have been flagged. But it was an obvious play fake which means no flag. Again, have any of you ever played the game? See you in ATL.

  13. hrudey says: Nov 4, 2009 5:41 PM

    Seeryer: Williams saw that Tebow didn’t have the ball. He stopped. Instead of turning to pursue the play, he turned, deliberately, and launches himself into Tebow’s upper body. If he had just run and tackled the guy in the course of play, sure, that’s good football. To stop, see that the player does not have the ball, turn and deliberately launch at the player, and look around to see if he got away with it? That’s the difference that makes it unnecessary roughness: he stopped because he knew the ball was not with Tebow or James and decided, hey, what the hell, I’ll unload on him anyhow.

  14. Deb says: Nov 4, 2009 5:47 PM

    The issue isn’t whether or not the player should have been flagged but whether Meyer should be suspended for saying so.
    My understanding was that Kiffin was warned, then fined, then threatened with suspension should a third offense occur. Also, he was initiating dramatic whinefests rather than answering questions at a press conference.
    I don’t have a dog in this fight, but the similarity between these situations escapes me.

  15. secochocinco says: Nov 4, 2009 5:52 PM

    I can’t wait until basketball season when the SEC powers that be get in bed with Kentucky

  16. tryagain says: Nov 4, 2009 6:33 PM

    @deb- no argument from me that kiffin’s an asshat but said asshat threw his tantrum(s) before the new rule was handed down by the commish, thus to my understanding there isn’t (or shouldn’t) be any leeway granted now regardless of which coach opens their mouth.
    @secochocinco- not sure if you are ridiculing my post or not but i hate kentucky basketball, not as much as back in pitino’s day but still i can’t stand them, whereas i have never had any issue with florida until say the last month or so and that’s due to all the seemingly favoritism shown them this season and even with that, i’m not condemning them to football hell- i just think that for looks if nothing else the commish should impose some type of punishment on urban.

  17. Big Orange fan says: Nov 4, 2009 7:11 PM

    Gator_prof, Tebow was NOT standing still. He was still in motion. Not sure what video you are looking at, but it’s not the one you posted.

  18. Crushitlong says: Nov 4, 2009 7:36 PM

    Wait a minute!! Your guy tries to rip out someone’s eyes and you have the nerve to say anything about a late hit?
    Please: if you’re half the man you think you are, you’d kick Spikes off the team. You want character? you’ve got to instill character.

  19. xacvol says: Nov 4, 2009 8:51 PM


  20. Snuff Smith says: Nov 4, 2009 8:56 PM

    hrudey is right. How is what Petrino said about the missed calls any different from what Meyer said? Because he didn’t say he respected the officials before making the comment?
    I’d expect Slive to punish Meyer, otherwise he’s two-sided and biased.

  21. Deb says: Nov 4, 2009 9:48 PM

    @tryagain …
    Yeah, Meyer was foolish to address anything concerning the officials given the current climate. I don’t buy the conspiracy theories and can’t blame the coach for wanting to say “See, bad calls happen to every team,” but by doing so, he’s backed the SEC into a corner. If they do nothing, the screeching whiners will howl that much louder. It’s a shame that they have to appease morons even though the situations are markedly different, but the squeaky wheels get the grease.
    Still, I didn’t think the rule required suspension on the first offense–especially when the offense is pretty incidental. He answered a question–he didn’t seek to stir up a controversy as Kiffin did. I thought the rule was a fine on first offense. That’s what has me a little confused with the talk of suspension.

  22. secochocinco says: Nov 5, 2009 10:37 AM

    Don’t take it personally, but all of these power conferences know how the national juices flow. Right now it is FL/ALA/LSU for SEC football. Why would the SEC punish any of the front runners with silly internal suspensions? Too much cash at stake for the conference.
    Remember when Nebraska played criminals in their glory years?
    I want to know how a guy for Texas can play for six years.

  23. texasPHINSfan says: Nov 5, 2009 12:29 PM

    i don’t understand what is inflammatory about meyer’s comments. i also don’t see any similarities to what meyer said when you compare to the earlier offenders of kiffin, mullen, petrino.
    things meyer did that the others did NOT do:
    1) Meyer didn’t bring it up, he was asked by a reporter
    2) this was on wednesday, not right after the game
    3) prior to this, meyer had sent in a tape to the SEC for review on the play, following the proper channels for dispute
    4) meyer’s only comment on this was that he felt this “should have been a penalty”. he didn’t question the integrity of the officials and didn’t go after them. He was asked point-blank what his opinion was on the play, and he responded. how would you want him to respond? that he didn’t think it should have been a penalty?
    5) meyer said his comment, and then moved on. if you saw kiffin’s comments, they were nowhere near similar
    the bottom line is all these are apples to oranges. the mere fact that meyer was asked about it and didn’t bring it up himself, and this was four days after the game rather than right after, combined with the fact meyer DID follow the proper channels by sending tape to the SEC – this all shows how you are supposed to do it.

  24. SwampSide says: Nov 5, 2009 12:39 PM

    I love how Gator Haters cry about anything the Gators do. You are really gonna love it when the Gators win the SEC next year with Brantley at QB. What will you all be talking about next year? “Just wait until Brantley leaves?”

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