0 -- Percent chance that Charlie Weis keeps his job at Notre Dame. Zero also corresponds to the number of big wins he's had as head coach of the Fighting Irish. The school's private plane might be busy in a couple weeks, but apparently it won't be so easy to keep track of it.
.583 -- Weis' winning percentage during his five seasons in South Bend (35-25). That's the same batting average Bob Davie and Tyrone Willingham had as they were shown the door by the Fighting Irish. Weis is just .457 (16-19) since the start of the 2007 season.
.857 -- Colt McCoy's winning percentage as Texas' starting quarterback (42-7). If he is able to lead the Longhorns to a victory over Kansas on Saturday, he'll become college football's all-time winningest quarterback with 43 victories, surpassing the mark established by Georgia's David Greene in 2004.
1 -- Player in Clemson history to account for touchdowns as a runner, receiver and passer in a single game. His name is C.J. Spiller and he accomplished the feat last Saturday in a 43-23 victory at N.C. State.
2 -- Touchdown passes by Cincinnati senior quarterback Tony Pike in situational red-zone duty off the bench in Friday night's 24-21 victory over West Virginia.
3 -- Times New Mexico sophomore kicker James Aho hit the uprights in a 24-19 loss to BYU last Saturday. In all three of those instances -- field goal attempts from 35 and 42 yards out and one PAT -- the football did not find its way through for any sorely needed points. Aho also had a 46-yard field goal attempt blocked.
6 -- Touchdowns produced by Central Michigan senior quarterback Dan LeFevour in last Wednesday's 56-28 victory over Toledo. He threw for 341 yards, but only two of his scores came through the air. LeFevour carried the football 14 times for 19 yards and four touchdowns. He has accounted for 137 touchdowns in his four-year career with with the Chippewas, 92 via the forward pass and 45 on the ground. For the record, that's six TDs more than Florida senior quarterback Tim Tebow (131 total, 78 passing, 53 rushing).
7 -- Times this season that Michigan has allowed 30 or more points. The latest occurrence came this past weekend as the Wolverines received a 45-24 beating at Wisconsin. On Saturday, Ohio State will likely tag number eight on embattled Michigan defensive coordinator Greg Robinson.
9.2 -- Yards per carry for Nevada during its 52-14 victory over Fresno State last Saturday. The Wolf Pack, who rushed for 461 yards and seven touchdowns against the Bulldogs, are currently averaging a national-best 7.5 yards per rush. That's more than two yards clear of Georgia Tech, which is in second place at 5.4.
15 -- Wins by UNLV during the five seasons that Mike Sanford served as head coach before being fired on Monday. He'll coach his final game next Saturday as the Rebels look to match last season's 5-7 record with a victory over San Diego State. UNLV won only two games in each of Sanford's first three seasons after taking over for College Football Hall of Famer John Robinson.
16 -- Receptions by Hawai'i junior wideout Greg Salas in the Warriors' 24-6 victory over New Mexico State last Saturday night. He gained 196 yards and scored one touchdown, while setting a new school record for catches in a single game. Salas currently leads the nation, averaging 136 receiving yards per game.
22 -- Rushing touchdowns this season by Navy junior quarterback Ricky Dobbs (pictured), breaking a school record that had stood since 1917. He ran for all five of the Midshipmen touchdowns in last Saturday's 35-18 victory over Delaware.
27 -- Points Stanford led USC by with 6:47 remaining (48-21), when Cardinal head coach Jim Harbaugh decided to go for a two-point conversion. Hey coach, what's your deal?
28 -- Consecutive bowl seasons for Florida State if the Seminoles can notch victory number six on Saturday versus Maryland.
29 -- Seasons as a college football head coach for Dick Tomey, who announced on Monday that he will hang up his whistle after San Jose State's season finale against Louisiana Tech on Dec. 5. Before taking over the Spartan program in 2005, he coached 10 seasons at Hawai'i (1977-86) and 14 seasons at Arizona (1987-2000). Tomey, who is also the president of the American Football Coaches Association, currently has a grand total of 182 career victories.
41 -- Total tackles made by USC's four starting defensive backs in Stanford's 55-21 victory over the Trojans last Saturday at the Coliseum. Pete Carroll's front seven have yet to be located.
61 -- Age of Austin College kicker Tom Thompson, who booted an extra point last Saturday afternoon against Trinity University, becoming the oldest player in college football history. His PAT tied the game at 7-7 early in the second quarter, but everything went downhill from there for the Division III Kangaroos, who lost 44-10. And you thought the soccer player who kicked the winning field goal in Ohio State's 27-24 overtime victory over Iowa was old.
90 -- Boise State victories since the start of the 2002 season, which is the most by an FBS team. Thanks to Oregon and Stanford the Broncos, have finally moved past USC, which has 89 wins during that same span. Texas is third with 87, and Ohio State and Oklahoma are tied with 85.
170 -- Return yards for North Carolina junior cornerback Kendric Burney on his three interceptions in last Saturday's 33-24 upset victory over Miami (Fla.). His return yardage, which featured a 77-yarder back to the house, established a new ACC record.
174 -- Points allowed by USC in its last five games.
177 -- Points allowed by USC in the 19 games prior to the five-game span mentioned above in "174."
414 -- Receiving yards by Missouri senior wide receiver Danario Alexander (pictured) in his last two games. Last Saturday, he caught 10 passes for 200 yards and three touchdowns at Kansas State, a week after snagging 13 receptions for 214 yards and one score versus Baylor.
7,626 -- Career all-purpose yards by Western Michigan senior running back Brandon West, which represents a new FBS record, surpassing the old mark of 7,573 set by Memphis' DeAngelo Williams in 2005. West has at least one more game to add to his total. And if the Broncos can beat Ball State next Tuesday, they'll become bowl eligible and might be able to worm their way into the Humanitarian Bowl.
18,000,000 -- Dollars reportedly involved in Weis' buyout clause at Notre Dame. I guess the old saying "you get what you pay for" doesn't always apply.
dead wrong again, charlie and his staff are not leaving notre dame unless they choose to. you and your media buddies have zero qualifications and zero votes at notre dame. if charlie ever does decide to leave notre dame out of disgust to protect his family from all of the vicious garbage thrown at him by the media, money will never be an issue at all since charlie took the job for love of notre dame, not for money.
the reports on charlie's salary are greatly exaggerated by the media and you have listed none of the key citeria which are crucial at notre dame, including graduation success rates, in which charlie and his staff and notre dame's real student athletes have won national championships every season( above 90%) while the so called college football factories barely reach 50%, without even subtracting the degrees awarded for courses with zero academic content.
media shills and proprietors of so called notre dame fan sites do not make coaching decisions at notre dame. those decisions are made by notre dame graduates who excelled as student athletes who also played football at notre dame, in the nfl, and in their personal and business lives.
every one of those people know corrupt officiating, rules enforcement, and rankings systems when they see them.
next season, the current corrupt officiating, rules enforcement, and rankings systems will be gone and replaced with honest transparent high tech systems fully transparent to and fully accountable to the public.
the football factories and their coaches will be gone since they will be unable to field teams composed of genuine student athletes.
only then will the public see real scores and real win loss records and real rankings in college football.
in the meantime, you are shilling for crooked college sports enterprises, trying to sell the public on the concept that real 2 loss(saved by dishonest sec officials as documented all over the internet) alabama and florida teams are to be taken seriously as undefeated teams and trying to sell notre dame as a 4 loss team when notre dame had every one of those losses orchestrated by blatantly dishonest officiating crews.
the people who make such decisions at notre dame, unlike you and your media buddies, actually know a great deal about college football, and have zero interest in your opinions, which are completely worthless.
one more history lesson.
when tyrone was fired,the reason given was
he coud not recruit well.like it or not that was
the reason given.charlie coached quite well for two seasons.the the big hole in the recruiting showed up .in 2007 and2008 there was little talent in south bend,hardly the fault of charlie.
this year we are doing much better whether you hard heads admit it or not.the next time you want to fling bricks at the man at least get your stories straight.
robertg - How do YOU know if he's on his way out or not? Do YOU have any votes or qualifications? If the dude took the job "for the love of Notre Dame" then he would have refused a raise, accepted the extension and the details of his contract would be public knowledge. Anyone who has an obscene contract never discloses the details.
You complain about the football factories, but do you have intimate knowledge of the course taken by ND players and their academic standing?
Face it, the fat man sucks and the media shrill you're talking about is the screaming cry of every Notre Dame fan (with the exception of you).
I don't remember hearing all of this pissing and moaning over the system back when ND actually could field a team and compete with the Big Boys. Now that you suck it has become your mantra. Hey, you could always steal the one Northwester uses and chant at your games "Hey, Hey, that's OK. You'll be working for me some day".
I will have to admit your rant will probably be the funniest thing I read today.
barng,some of what you say is true. BUT, with the blaiming of 4 losses on referee's, your credibility matches the first number above - zero. If Notre Dame is/can not compete with the "football factories", then quit trying to tell the world how wonderful you are. The funny think is, Notre Dame has sunk so far that those of us who like to see them fail/lose don't even care anymore.
Weiss should be gone. The only success he has had at Notre Dame was with players that Willingham both recruited and, here's the key, coached up. Certainly Weiss and his 3 Super Bowl rings coupled with the, now false, mystique of Notre Dame allow him to recruit extremely well, the problem is that none of the players significantly improve in their 4 years at Notre Dame. You can have all of the top 100 high school players in the country and they are not going to beat a well coached, big time Division 1 program, recruiting only goes so far. It's all well and good if Weiss can call offensive plays with the best of them, which is all he needed to do in the NFL but as a head coach at a college program he is responsible, in large part, to actually coaching and teaching these kids the game and improving upon their natural skills, something that is clearly lacking right now at Notre Dame.
Jon Gruden will be the next coach at ND. He ahs already won a Super Bowl and now he can set his sights on being a National Championship winner with his coacing ability. He has a connection to ND from the days of his father being there and he can get paid the same, with a shorter season and every couple of years he will get new players to kkep him energized. You heard it here first.
robertg,
I signed up just so I could respond to your post.
You state, "...the concept that real 2 loss(saved by dishonest sec officials as documented all over the internet) alabama and florida teams..."
Really? The last time that I looked, the final score on the scoreboard indicated whether or not a team won or lost. Both teams are 10-0.
As for the whole "documented all over the internet" - well, a lot of things are documented on the internet - Bigfoot sightings, proof of alien abductions, etc. Do you think that just because something is on the internet, it's true? Disgruntled bloggers get to determine who wins, who loses, and the honestly of someone?
Your post was chock full of opinions yet we are supposed to hold your opinions higher for some reason? I don't think so.
I can't help but laugh at you Notre Shame Apologists. You run Ty out of town and complain that he didn't recruit well. Weiss takes over and gets a pretty good class and you guys are saying "See, I told you so" and he goes to a BCS bowl -- with Ty's "crappy" players. The next year, he recruits well against and goes to a BCS bowl with -- wait for it - Ty's "crappy" players. He then has his third consecutive top recruiting class and now, he's got his players in place and they can't even score to save their lives. In fact, it's well into the season before a Weiss-recruited player scores a TD for the Irish and his "superior" recruits crap out. He has his fourth consecutive "superior" recruiting class last year and they end up 6-6 and get a crappy bowl, where they end their losing bowl streak (but their BCS bowl losing streak is still alive) and this year, they had their fifth consecutive "superior" recruiting class and they're lucky to be 6-4 and not 2-8 and could finish 6-6 or 7-5 in the regular season and because they probably won't have a decent opponent, they could finish 7-6 or 8-5.
Now, you can put Ty down all you want but there hasn't been an excuse of Weiss for several years now. He's got HIS players and he's barely scraped by and all of you guys were talking about BCS bowls and even dreaming of a chance at the national championship and now that it's blown up in his face, you're STILL blaming Ty for Weiss' failures. I mean, who are you trying to convince, the others here or yourself? When all the people were talking about what a genius he was, I was saying, let's see how he deals with starting a freshman like Ty did and see if he does any better and the answer is that he hasn't.
Tebow didn't start his first year. LeFevour's stats aren't remarkable. Poor comparison when put into context.
you are absolutely correct, we have no vote whatsover about coaching decisons at notre dame.
however, by some quirk of fate, after the shameless manner in which some very naieve people at notre dame, who then had decison making power over football coaching matters at notre dame, were terrorized by some of the same media shills and some equally naieve notre dame alumni and fans into firing tyrone in a manner which violated every principle for which notre dame stands(costing notre dame several million dollars in contract payments to tyrone while he was coaching at washington when that fine gentleman was perfectly willing to resign gracefully if he had been given the opportunity and creating distrust notre dame among recruits and their families all over the us), i ended up with a front row seat at the meetings at which the future of notre dame football was decided.
many key administrators at notre dame were in favor of dropping bcs division football at notre dame and taking the path of the ivy league schools in football.
however, a key group of notre dame alumni, who had succeeded as student athletes at notre dame and also excelled at football at notre dame, in the nfl, and in their personal and business lives, stepped up to supply the financing and the expertise required to make rational decisions about notre dame football.
of those considered, only charlie weis was willing to take on the task of bringing back notre dame football with honesty and integity and without lowering notre dame very high academic and charcter standards.
charlie and his staff have more than satisfied the benchmarks set for them by that group of notre dame alumni who really know an awful lot about college footbal., including the current corrupt officiating, rules enforcement, and rankings systems currently.
these spohisticated people, who now have all decision making powers about football coaching at notre dame, are much to sophisticated to fall for the current paper record of 6-4 being an accurate reflection of the actual performences on the field of charlie and his staff and notre dame;s student athletes.
they all know how to break down film and expose and discount results caused by dishonest officiating.
none of them buy into the current propaganda that shows 2 loss florida and alabama teams as really being undefeated.
they also understand how the current corrupt officiating, rules enforcement, and rankings systems can be exposed, eliminated, and replaced with honest high tech systems fully transparent to the public and they know that firing charlie and his staff would be extremely detrimental to the future of notre dame football.
notre dame ad jack swarbrick was not at notre dame during these discussions and although jack collects certain data for those with decision making powers, jack has input, but not a vote.
at notre dame, suceess in the classroom is equally as important as win and loss recrods, especiaslly when those paper win loss records do not accutately relect real wins and losses.
so, now you know how i know.
the only things that will change this season is that jack's anouncement that charlie and his staff will be staying for the forseeable future will come earlier rather than at the end of the regular season since recruits and their families do get confused by late announcements and do not want coaching instability and that notre dame. as an institution, will publicly announce that notre dame is extremely dissatified with the current corrupt officiating, rules enforcement, and rankings systems and demands immediate changes.
by notre dame's standards, charlie and his staff and notre dame's student athletes who also play football have won national championships every season since charlie has been there by excelling in the classroom.
the wins on paper in the field are more than obvious enough when the dishonest officiating, rules enforcement, and rankings systems are taken into account.
those corrpt systems will simply not be around next season or in futre seasons.
without breaking any confidences, we have told you what we know and how we know those things.
it really makes no difference to us or to notre same if some diehard shills want to keep spewing out more garbage on this subject.
notre dame will never create any separate school within a school for football players ass the uscs and floridas and many other schools have done just to win football games,
notre dame has an obligation to prepare every notre dame student for a full life, including degrees in one or more highly marketable majors. and notre dame takes that obilgation very seriously with a graduation sucess rates of well in excess of 90% for student athletes who also play football as opposed to the less than 60% rates of the football factory schools.
obviously, notre dame's apprach makes a lot of sense to many recruits and to their families since,
every single year, recruits who could choose any school in the nation choose notre dame instead.
GO IRISH!!!
So the media hates ND? Funny that NBC has exclusive TV rights (although they quit showing games when the Irish collapsed) and has a whole section on their sports website devoted just to Notre Dame football. Bet the media is responsible for dropped passes and inept coaching too.
Student athletes (mathletes?) win championships everyday? wow. I bet Pepperdyne uses the same recruiting slogan. We stink at football, but we're smart!
Football victories equal money. Money from fans, money from alumni. Money equals scholarships. Scholarships (football or academic) allow a school to stay open. I'd coach for "the love of Notre Dame" if I got Weis's salary. Heck I'd love any team for Weis's salary (see Rich Rodriguez, Nick Saban, et al.)
You can bet ND A.D. is thinking- "the extension was for 10 years? hmmm. well in dog years we're there..." That's OK, the Redskins will need a coach.
Hey Robertg... The reason ND graduates over 90% and the other "football factories" graduate 50% is because of early entry to the draft. Notre Dame has had very few early entries because simply put, they aren't talented enough to leave early. Most of the big time programs expect that a large percentage of their stud recruits will leave after their Junior season.
Are you also implying that without "dishonest officiating crews", ND would be undefeated?
It's funny to see how many responses there are on this post actually. Without ND diehards making irrational and unqualified comments, there wouldn't be any ND discussions. The fact is, they just aren't that relevant of a football program these days.
Recruiting has been the major difference between Weis vs. Davie and Willingham. Otherwise, all their records and exploits have been virtually identical.
The reason I want to give Weis one more year is because:
A) His first two years were great. Notre Dame fans have short memories, but they can't forget that Weis was the first coach since Holtz to have back to back 9 win seasons.
B) Weis has shown that he can lead an effective offense. With the exception of the year in which he basically didn't have a viable quarterback, the offense under him has been great.
C) Weis knows that he isn't a defensive specialist and he has tried to find the right coach to complement him. Obviously that hasn't happened yet, but when it does, look out.
I want to see if these great recruits translate into success. I also want to see who he brings in to replace Tenuta. The bottom line is, whenever you have a major coaching change at a big program, you almost always have to give at coach at LEAST 5 years to turn things around. This year has been a disappointment, but hardly a failure. Give him one more year.
MTM1930: The fact that Notre Dame draws sellout crowds, legions of haters, unbelievable ratings and its own dedicated "ND Central" web page on MSNBC is proof that Notre Dame is more relevant than most, if not all, college football teams. Success and relevance are two different things.
Edgy: Don't downplay the importance of recruiting. Tyrone Willingham couldn't break the Top 25 in recruiting. I doubt there's a school in the last 30 years that has won the National Championship without having top 25 recruiting classes.
It's funny to see how many responses there are on this post actually. Without ND diehards making irrational and unqualified comments, there wouldn't be any ND discussions. The fact is, they just aren't that relevant of a football program these days.
Evan,
The reason they have the dedicated ND central page, high ratings, sellouts and NBC coverage is more about the high population of Catholics in the USA that identify with ND, not the football program itself being a top tier program.
5 years to turn things around at major programs?? Here are 5 examples that this isn't even close to being the case.
1. Bob Stoops/OU
2. Jim Tressel/Ohio St.
3. Urban Meyer/Florida
4. Nick Saban/Bama
5. Pete Carroll/USC
Do I need to name a few more for you to see that is a ridiculous statement to make?
MTM1930: . The reason Notre Dame is a relevant program is because they are the most popular program in the country, end of story. The reason that NBC and the rest of the media coddles Notre Dame is because they are the most popular program in the country and they sell more than any other program, end of story.
I'm not even going to entertain your conspiracy theory about catholics because its irrelevant why people like them. Its only relevant that more people like them than any other college football team.
About the coaches, are you even reading what I'm writing? I said that you have to give a coach AT LEAST 5 years to turn things around. Why did I say that? Because 99.9% of the time, new coaches don't turn things around right away. Instead of naming all the coaches that turned a program around in less than 5 years, why not name the 2109383092840 coaches that haven't been able to do it in less than 5 years. Your list only illustrates my point. You have to give coaches time, otherwise you'll burn through a lot of money and a lot of coaches seeking out that 1 in a 100 Urban Meyer.
Evan,
When I'm talking about relevance I'm referring to them not having anything to do with the college football landscape in regards to National Titles, not how popular they are. Alot of people like storied programs like Nebraska and Florida State still.. but like ND, they just aren't part of the picture these days. I'm sure people will always get caught up in the hype that is ND when it comes to coaching changes, etc. but the fact remains that 9-3 seasons are a good year for them now and that has been the case for quite a while.
Your comment earlier was about major coaching changes at a "big program". I would probably say there are less than 20 schools that would qualify for that label and out of those there are probably only 6-8 of them that have a realistic shot at a National Title year in and year out (Which is all "big programs" really care about). The five I named are certainly in that pool of elite team as are schools like Texas (longtime coach now who actually brought that program back to prominence well before 5 years) and Penn State. All of these teams, with exception of Penn State, have come to national prominence within the last 10 or so years with a new coach. Even Larry Coker got a National Title at Miami within his first few years. If you truely consider ND an elite program then these are the schools that you have to compare them to and they CERTAINLY haven't measure up. They are a second tier team now at best and finishing in the top 20 is a helluva year regardless of who the coach is. Keep Weis or fire him... doesn't matter, ND will still be fightin' to stay in the top 25.
oneheleweguy, you don't know what you're talking about re: victories=money.
Notre Dame leads all schools in dollars generated by the football program. See the recent Forbes Magazine article.
The ND stadium has been sold out for home games for over twenty years through all kinds of success and failure.
Success in a college football program has to do with a lot more than a won-loss record.
And if anyone is buying the line that the football factory schools have poor graduation rates because of all of the players leaving early for the NFL, you're just out of touch with reality. Currently ND has 31 active NFL players. Florida has 32, Fla. State has 30, USC has 38.
Oldalum:
I'm not saying they don't play in the NFL, but I can think of very few that left early.
one more time with the history lesson
2007, 2008 no talent in south bend
not the fault of charlie ,ty simply did not recuite
good eneough hence the big hole showed up then
2009 is on charlies shoulders and he has accepted that . if he finishes 9and4 would that be eneough to shut you haters.think not.
Evan, I'm NOT downplaying the recruiting, I'm pointing out the fact that he's HAD his recruits and he hasn't done squat with HIS players. All his winning came in his first years with Ty's "crappy" players and he's done NOTHING with his so-called prime talent. He's had 5 years of what people have called OUTSTANDING recruits and he hasn't done a thing with them. Love him all you want but Ty, Davie or Faust didn't lost TWO out of THREE games to Navy -- AT HOME, no less Hell, Faust was 3-2 against USC. You guys crabbed about the lack of takent that Willingham was getting in South Bend and yet, his talent did a hell of a lot better than what Pope Weis' kids have done.
no one said ty had crappy players you are missing the point.he did not recruit well for two years that left a hole in the talent pool in south bend 2007-2008 you may call him pope fat ass
snotty nose or any of the thousands of other things that are being said,but the facts are the facts if you are too jaded to see that i guess thats your fault
barng and robertg,
you two are about the most simple minded people that I have ever heard and truly do not understand the atmosphere of college football, especially as it pertains to ND. Charlie Weis was brought to ND to bring this once proud program back to prominence. That simply has not happened. All other things that a college football coach at ND has to do, like recruiting, graduating players and keeping them out of trouble comes with that job. Simply put, Weis is being paid to produce wins on the field. They could get a non-football guy to do the rest of his job.
That being said, Weis has proved he is not the answer. I'm not sure whether he is a good coach or not but one thing is certain, he is not a COLLEGE football coach. Maybe his skill set is better suited for the Pro's, but that's a different topic all together. It is time to make the change. he has underachieved at ND and with the level of talent that he has been able to recruit, it is apparent that there is a gap somewhere between when they arrive at the campus and when they step on the football field. He has had 5 years there and we are left with 0 quality wins. Other coaches are winning with supposedly less talent than he has on the ND team.
This program needs a new face and I for one hope it is next season. I think Weis truly wanted to bring ND back to the top...but sadly, that has not happened.
Baloney, you guys were all over his players - EVEN RIGHT IN THIS CONERSATION so don't try to re-write history. 2007 and 2008 represented the third and fourth year of so-called outstanding recruiting by Weis and yet, he's done viturally nothing with them.
He is the Gerry Faust of his day and it's ironic that Navy ended a long losing streak to ND with Weis as head coach because Air Force did the same thing when Faust was coaching (At least Faust could hang his hat on a long and successful career as a high school coach).
Face facts, he's a crappy coach, who's had more than enough time to get his program put in place. He's beaten no one of consequence, even in his best two years, when he was 2-0 against Navy with y's players and is now 1-2 with his uberDomers.
robertg,
Sorry but the only thing that determines wins and losses is the final score on the scoreboard.
You keep mentioning Alabama and Florida yet not Boise St or TCU. Why is that? I think that it's because you are jealous that your program doesn't get half the press that UF and UA get unless it's discussions about Weiss getting fired.
You can wax poetic all you want about graduation rates, crooked officials, and whatever else that you want but your team has the record that it has.
You cannot change ND's record or ranking. It sucks but it is what it is.
Trying to run down UF and UA will not make your team any better.
folks if you do not recuit for two years and even get fired for it,does that not translate into less talent on the field. no matter what charlie done
since the hole in the talent pool was still there
and if you haters cannot wont address what i just said then quit writing
barng, are you serious? What the hell is this "do not recruit for two years" bs that you're coming up with? Do you mean that Ty didn't recruit at all for 2 years or that Charlie didn't recruit for 2 years or just what the heck are you talking about because I can guarantee you that Ty recruited. Let's not forget that he took over after George O'Leary resigned and the recruits for that first season were considered the 13th best in the country. HIS first class was rated 5th and it included Brady Quinn and several other players that formed the basis of the teams that were winners for Weis. His second class wasn't as good as the first but still, it wasn't like he had the worst classes (Ranked 30th). O'Leary and Willingham left him players and his biggest success came with those supposedly inferior recruits and he's done nothing with his supposedly superior recruits.
you still didn't address what i said would they have fired ty if he recruited well? was there a hole left in the talent pool because of his sorry recruiting,also swarbrick said last year that the program was headed in the right direction. what has changed? when the smoke clears we will have a better record this year than last.that should be all that rational people would expect. of
coarse i dont think we are dealing with rational haters here anyway
I DID address your question - you just refuse to deal with it. O'Leary and Willingham's three classesleft Weis with more than adequate talent that formed the basis for 2 BCS bowl teams and gave him THREE YEARS to get his people into place and he failed to capitalize on that. Make all the excuses you want but the fact is that he had THREE YEARS -- let me say that again because you keep overlooking that fact - THREE YEARS to recruit. It's pure unadulterated baloney to say that Ty left him a two-year gap when he had 3 years to get his players into place and he hasn't been able to coach up to that talent.
its easy to see you are not a rational man,so let me shift away from the gap to this;is charlie a good coach?you should agree that he was a good
coach for two years,right.what happened in the
third year to make him a bad coach?most college grads esspecialy notre dame grads will better themselves over time but am i to believe the
absurd and say that he became a bad coach.if we are to believe that only wins count i don't,i'm sorry but i think that brings us back to the ___
Look, YOU are the one who keeps dinging Ty about recruiting and talking up Weis for HIS recruiting and YET, he's ONLY done well with O'Leary and Willingham's players and not the ones that he's anointed to grace the Notre Dame field. Now, how is it that he's a God to you with Ty's players but now that the players are on the other foot, Ty's players were Dogs and he was strapped by Ty's recruiting. Let's not forget that Willingham's second season was led by freshman Brady Quinn and an inexperienced OL. Both got a trial by fire for 2 years and Weis reaped the benefits. Now, this is the third season of his QB and he's no where near as succssful.
Now, I'm sure that you're fantasizing that he's going to lead them to 9-4 but I see 8-5 as the best and tha's ONLY if he can get his team past UCONN and beat some crappy team in the bowl. You can say all that you want in support of the guy but he's done NOTHING extraordinary as a ND coach and he's been Pope Chalie Faust II not Knute Rockne II or even Dan Devine II. This is his FIFTH YEAR and thee's no excuses left. He's had FIVE RECRUTING CLASSES to put his talent in place.
Seriously now, even the most ardent ND fan has to admit that Weis has been a major disappointment as a head coach. It's been five years of excuses and rationalizations and the reality is that ND is no better now than they were when he took over. Every year there's a lot of early talk about how they're finally on the rise, then the first big game of the season comes along and they get slapped back down to mediocrity. If Weis had managed to win one or two of those big games, if he'd managed to keep ND relevant through Thanksgiving once or twice, that could at least be viewed as a sign of real progress. But he hasn't and there's no reason to believe another season will be any different.
Well, forget 9-4 or even 8-5. Unless Stanford chokes, Notre Dame will finish up 6-6 with a chance for 7-6, at best, or 6-7, depending on their bowl opponent.
LMAO wow, U Conn taking it to the dough boy....even Holtz called this one....Charlie wont even talk to the NBC Hottie....he's gone for sure now....later Dough Boy
Clausen is a top recruit of Wies, what a joke he is....well domer's have a sad night you deserve it...
Bitter irony for Weis as one of HIS recruits, comes back to haunt him and may have helped seal his fate.
it is indeed with heavy heart i write.i retract none
of my statements as i still believe cw is the man for the job as an obsessive irish fan i only want what is best. i'm still looking for 8-5 but as a wise old indian chief once said;I WILL FIGHT AGAIN
NO MORE. see you next year BYE.
Tough to defend Weis after this latest loss. Ironically, UConn is my alma mater.
Still, I want Charlie to be the coach next year. The reasoning is simple. I don't want the program thrown into turmoil by a major coaching change. It's been a disappointing couple of seasons, but its obvious that the problem is on the defensive side of the ball.
Don't get me wrong, there are coaches out there that would do a better overall job than Weis.
However, "By the Numbers" his replacement will fail. The chances of Notre Dame landing a coach that will turn around the program right away are slim. Meanwhile, the chances of Notre Dame landing a defensive-minded coach that can complement Charlie's offensive mind are much much better.