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Tebow and controversy, Super Bowl-style

Tim Tebow‘s illustrious career on the collegiate football field is over.  The former Florida quarterback’s penchant for carrying a lightning rod off the field isn’t.

According to a report on the Orlando Sentinel‘s website, Tebow will appear in a 30-second commercial that will run during this year’s Super Bowl.  And it won’t be for Tostitos or Pepsi or Geico.

Rather, it will be on behalf of the pro-life group Focus on the Family.  (Uh-oh, I can hear the keyboards pounding even before I’m finished typing this post.)

From the group’s website announcing the high-profile Super Sunday partnership:

The 30-second spot from the international family-help organization will feature college football star Tim Tebow and his mother, Pam. They will share a personal story centered on the theme of “Celebrate Family, Celebrate Life.”

Jim Daly, president and CEO of Focus on the Family, said the chance to partner with the Tebows and lift up a meaningful message about family and life comes at the right moment in the culture, because “families need to be inspired.”

“Tim and Pam share our respect for life and our passion for helping families thrive,” Daly said. “They live what we see every day – that the desire for family closeness is written on the hearts of every generation. Focus on the Family is about nurturing that desire and strengthening families by empowering them with the tools they need to live lives rooted in morals and values.”

As the story goes, Tebow’s parents — who were on a religious mission to the Philippines in the late 80′s — were advised by doctors to have an abortion as Tebow’s mother was going through medical issues connected to the pregnancy.  She ignored the recommendations, and the baby that was delivered turned out to be one of the greatest football players in the history of the Florida football program.

While it’s not known what the specific message of the ad will be, it’s expected to be that personal story noted above as part of an overall anti-abortion stance.

Gee, I wonder if this post will get any comments or any type of “intelligent” discussion going…

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225 Responses to “Tebow and controversy, Super Bowl-style”
  1. RichattheLake says: Jan 16, 2010 2:23 PM

    Why is someone’s personal religious beliefs open to so much mocking & criticism. Look at the work people like Tebow’s parents have done in haiti for decades. Maybe it’s not for some but you have to respect their convictions be it helping others or being against abortion. So many people want to knock Tebow while a guy with 5 convitions, 3 on gun charges, like Snoop Dog is celebrated. I’m certainly not squeeky clean but I’m not going to slam Tebow for his beliefs.

  2. supermonkey321 says: Jan 16, 2010 2:39 PM

    I was about to write something very similar to what Richatthelakes wrote, but he beat me to it.
    Well said, man.

  3. grendel says: Jan 16, 2010 2:39 PM

    Is he being paid for this? What are the implications of that?

  4. Crushitlong says: Jan 16, 2010 2:41 PM

    This is why 1/2 of America hates this guy.

  5. pt8106 says: Jan 16, 2010 2:48 PM

    It’s nice to see someone with a voice to reach millions of people standing up for what is right. Tebow and his family just raised my admiration for them, the things they stand for and the work they do.
    I wish them continued success in whatever causes they are part of.

  6. mr.kush says: Jan 16, 2010 2:50 PM

    enough of tebow and the media love, this guy is some great white hope, him and gerhart get too much hype, tebow is gonna end up being tod marinovich in the nfl, both on and off the field, tebow is a fake preacher like jimmy swaggert

  7. gator_prof says: Jan 16, 2010 3:01 PM

    He is entitled to his beliefs. At least he seems to back he words with deeds, which is admirable even if you don’t agree with him.

  8. dennypat says: Jan 16, 2010 3:11 PM

    I think it is great!
    Listen up everybody!
    Why are you so afraid of a 30-second message perpetuating a pro-life message? Why are you so afraid?
    Guilt. You all know what abortion is: going in with medical tools and scraping a developing baby from the mother. This is TRUTH. If I was OK with that I wouldn’t want to be reminded of it either.
    This is a discussion the left tries to keep us from happening because they can’t defend it.
    …and I haven’t even begun to describe how ‘partial birth abortion’ is done.

  9. Winston Wolfe says: Jan 16, 2010 3:12 PM

    Most women are against the government making any decision regarding their body but most women are against abortion.
    Most liberals are for abortion but against the death Penalty.
    Most Conservatives are against abortion but for the Death Penalty.
    Go figure….
    ….so tell me again what’s wrong with Tebow wanting to celebrate life? and whose business is that anyways?

  10. jsh says: Jan 16, 2010 3:20 PM

    Amen i agree with RichattheLake,it’s time that someone stands up to His believe and not be ashame to do it. He is a Man of His Word.
    i believe in whatever Tim Tebow does in life he will be sucessful at it. in the last couple of days weve seen grown men move to other coaching positions for the dollars and not worry about what they committed when someone took a chance on them.
    we’ve fallen very short in keeping our word as Men. So what’s wrong with someone that Honors His words? Thanks Mr& Mrs Tebow for being an example for your childern to follow.
    P.S.
    who wouldn’t want Tebow & Gerhart in same backfield?

  11. skinny pigeon says: Jan 16, 2010 3:21 PM

    @richatthelake–well put.
    My question is always the same for anyone who is vocal about being pro-life….how do you feel about the death penalty?

  12. Deb says: Jan 16, 2010 3:36 PM

    Because so many televangelists, politicians, right-wing media outlets, and even beauty contestants exploit Christianity for their own profit, many of us distrust anyone who proclaims faith too loudly. That’s why I initially disliked and distrusted Tebow–even though faith plays a huge role in my life. But after learning more about him, I’ve come to think he’s sincere.
    Since his NFL career would be better served if he’d support neutral causes, I can only assume he’s doing this public service ad because he believes in it. Though I’m not a fan of Focus on the Family, I can’t fault him for following his convictions.

  13. jd says: Jan 16, 2010 3:43 PM

    We’ll see how the ad actually turns out, but I think it’s cool. Its a pretty amazing story regardless of your personal beliefs.

  14. SC21 says: Jan 16, 2010 3:44 PM

    So a group that most of America hates is paying for an ad starring a guy that a lot of sports fans outside of Florida (and a lot inside as well) don’t like? And they are injecting both politics and religion into the biggest sporting event of the year? Great marketing strategy!
    I wonder where FOTF found the money for a Super Bowl ad, given that they had to fire hundreds of people this year because their donations are drying up?

  15. ivo610 says: Jan 16, 2010 3:47 PM

    What I want to do in my own house with a coat hanger is my business.

  16. tryagain says: Jan 16, 2010 3:51 PM

    Agreed gator_prof- I’m not necessarily agreeing with their beliefs and for whatever reason Mrs. Tebow scares the bejeevus out of me- but it’s their right to believe however they want and there seems to be no argument that the Tebow’s do a lot of good.

  17. overratedgators says: Jan 16, 2010 3:52 PM

    Gator_prof: For once, we agree. As much as I hated the Tebow hype, that wasn’t his fault, and I give the kid kudos for actually having some ideals, and working to live up to them.
    I’ll take this kinda thing over Pat Robertson’s “deal-with-the-devil” speech and Rush Limbaugh’s “Obama’s-going-to-use-Haiti-for-political-gain” BS anyday.

  18. don says: Jan 16, 2010 4:02 PM

    Crushitlong says:
    January 16, 2010 2:41 PM ET
    This is why 1/2 of America hates this guy
    That half of America hates everyone but themselves because they cannot control others behavior.
    You don’t have to agree with his beliefs but you do have to admire him for standing up and practicing them.
    Something “your half of America” would never understand.
    Mr. Kush,
    Your jealousies, incompetence and insecurities are all showing too well. Try attacking something that deserves attacking.

  19. johnnydom says: Jan 16, 2010 4:05 PM

    I stand with Tebow on how he follows his beliefs. If half the NFL players had half of the character that he did there would be less NFL players charged with domestic abuse, gun charges, misbehavior in clubs, etc.
    Good for you Tim Tebow, I hope he has a great career in the NFL.

  20. iambananaman1 says: Jan 16, 2010 4:06 PM

    Tim tebow is absolutely entitled to his beliefs, but just like everyone else, he should keep his own personal beliefs to himself. I don’t want Tim Tebow telling me its immoral to have abortions just as much as I don’t want some other faous person telling me it’s ok. Can’t we just enjoy the super bowl for what it is?…FOOTBALL

  21. Thayne says: Jan 16, 2010 4:10 PM

    The only thing that bothers me about this is that Tim is basically saying not to get an abortion even if the mother’s life is in danger. If this influences some mother out there who’s life is in danger and she and the baby die during delivery, well…that would be tragic.
    I just wish Pro-lifers cared as much about the child after it is born as before. Where is the concern when these children are born into families in which the mother is a drug addict and the father is a criminal and the child ends up living in poverty and not being cared for, eventually following in their parents footsteps?

  22. SC21 says: Jan 16, 2010 4:12 PM

    @ Rickatthelake
    Who, exactly, is mocking Tebow for his beliefs? Point them out, please. The only criticism I can see it that this group is injecting politics and religion into a sporting event.
    Personally I don’t think the ad will air, and that’s EXACTLY what FOTF wants! They’ll get to piss and moan about how persecuted they are for their beliefs and it will generate way more press then if this harmless little ad actually made it onto the telecast. Plus they’ll save them millions it would have cost to show it. Standard marketing practice, create a fake “controversy” and then use it to generate publicity. Nothing new here.

  23. mkossart says: Jan 16, 2010 4:15 PM

    Maybe FOF should have spent the 2.5 million for this Superbowl commercial on the actual families that need economic help and the single mothers who could never paid to bring up a child from birth…
    The irony also is Focus on the Family laid off 275 employees this past year – not a Very family friendly move (2.5 million dollars is a lot of money for 30 seconds…)

  24. JJD says: Jan 16, 2010 4:17 PM

    RichattheLake – well Said

  25. Discostu570 says: Jan 16, 2010 4:17 PM

    “Don’t have an abortion because your kid will grow up to be a super rich sports star” isn’t a message that I think people really need to be hearing. The fact that abortion opponents will promote such a deceitful message to influence people is telling.

  26. jessue says: Jan 16, 2010 4:25 PM

    I commend the Tebow family for speaking out on a subject that surely will prompt divided opinions. It’s sad that SOME of those who are oppose to the Tebow’s way of thinking can’t be more civilized in their opposition.

  27. RightasRain says: Jan 16, 2010 4:29 PM

    So many Christians….So few lions.

  28. whocare10 says: Jan 16, 2010 4:29 PM

    In response to Mr. Kush, it could be worse, he could end up like the Oakland Raiders 1st round pick from 2 yrs ago, Russell! At least Tebow has morals and a purpose in life, other then to be a drain on society, NFL and the fans!!!

  29. HBOilers24 says: Jan 16, 2010 4:30 PM

    @ grendel:
    he’s no longer a college player so he can get paid.

  30. pilot08 says: Jan 16, 2010 4:31 PM

    It is refreshing to see a christian back his words up.. too many hypocrites out there, u gotta respect the dude for actually practicing what he preaches.

  31. jrlakhani says: Jan 16, 2010 4:32 PM

    What a great example. Here’s a man worthy of our respect.

  32. jrlakhani says: Jan 16, 2010 4:34 PM

    Way to go, Tim! What a great example!

  33. HBOilers24 says: Jan 16, 2010 4:34 PM

    personally im very much pro-choice. i think it’s stupid to even have an ad, much less one that is going to cost so much, and it will do nothing. do they really feel that there is someone on the fence about this issue who will be swayed by a super bowl ad? this isnt exactly pepsi trying to sway you from coca-cola with a big song and dance number.
    whatever though. it’ll give me a good laugh to see someone from the religious right spend tons of cash to make zero headway on their march toward religious oppression.

  34. poiuyt says: Jan 16, 2010 4:35 PM

    Tebow is certainly entitled to his beliefs and he is certainly entitled to make a commercial about them. What I find disingenuous is that an anti-Bush ad from Moveon.org was refused air time during the Super Bowl a few years ago. They said they had a policy against advocacy advertising during the football championship.

  35. Scott says: Jan 16, 2010 4:35 PM

    He can be paid for this…he’s no longer a college athlete…besides, he’ll probably give the money to the Red Cross for Haiti anyway, so I hope they got paid BIG.
    I’m a Florida St. fan and i still can’t hate this guy. People hate him out of jealousy, not out of real intelligence. His parents have to be unbelievably proud of the son they’ve raised. As the parent of a 1 and 3-year old boy and a girl due in May, I can only hope my boys grow up just like him and my daughter doesn’t settle for anyone less than him.
    ….and no, I’m not even a little religous either. Tebow doesn’t demand respect like so many in the public eye do, he earns it through his actions. This kid is going to do more in his lifetime than all of us reading and posting to this story will combined.
    KEEP IT UP TIM!!!! (…and finally he’s out of Gainesville so maybe FSU has a shot now!)

  36. darciesdaddy says: Jan 16, 2010 4:39 PM

    RightasRain says:
    January 16, 2010 4:29 PM ET
    So many Christians….So few lions.
    How disgusting. Would you be so glib if someone said, “So many Jews, so few gas chambers?” Or, “So many blacks, so few nooses?”
    What most bothers me about people on the left is that they seem to think that people who disagree with them not only lack the right to disagree with them, but shouldn’t even be allowed to exist.

  37. RightasRain says: Jan 16, 2010 4:44 PM

    Atheism….It’s like being gay in the 80s.

  38. dennypat says: Jan 16, 2010 4:45 PM

    For the mind numb lost souls who compare the death penalty to abortion:
    The death penalty is for those who have committed attrocious murders and have been found guilty in a court of law. This is called punishment.
    So what crime did the unborn baby commit?

  39. crimsonking52 says: Jan 16, 2010 4:46 PM

    Ya’ll got yourself a real band of Crackers for your readership. Now I am wondering if I too am afflicted with brain damage.

  40. Tropicanna anna says: Jan 16, 2010 4:47 PM

    Many of the above comments echo my sentiments exactly. Wether your beliefs are different or not from the Tebow family and if you are a decent and honest person you have to know that “ACTION”S SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS” and Tim Tebow’s actions are defininitly loud and clear! If you dont want to call them “Christian” you still must agree that they are always in the “good role model example”! So many atheletes today cannot claim that label!!!!

  41. Dave The CynicL1 says: Jan 16, 2010 4:47 PM

    Dissagree with Tebows position, defend to the end of time his right to have it and promote it. Why anyone gives him static over living up to his values just astounds me. Yeah he’s an athlete, but he is also a human being, with all the rights and responsibilities that entails. Good for him.

  42. Steele Thrill says: Jan 16, 2010 4:48 PM

    Tim tells the truth!
    Death row inmates have been tried and adjuticated guilty, though I am not particularly in favor of all capital punishment…I have yet to see a fetus on trial for its life nor found guilty of any capital offense.

  43. rond says: Jan 16, 2010 4:49 PM

    It’s would be easy to respond with “intelligent” comments if there was “intelligent” commentary. You must have been hurting for a story today leading up to a four playoff game weekend. Shows where the lack of intelligence lies.

  44. WillD says: Jan 16, 2010 4:52 PM

    It’s nice that the Tebows have these values and morals. Just don’t force them on me during a football game.
    The tragedy here is that FOTF is using millions of dollars that could be going towards Haiti relief or towards families here in the U.S. (especially the ones they laid off?) It’s very apparent (and transparent) that the goal is to have everyone talking about why this was done during a national sporting event. Hopefully, people will see right through it.
    If FOTF would show us through their actions rather than pushing their beliefs on us during a football game, then maybe they would be taken more seriously.

  45. March of the Pilgrims says: Jan 16, 2010 4:52 PM

    I think if the guy needs a bunch of baby killers to intimidate the owners of the NFL then he should be aware of the consequences.
    …….. you are a tremendous athelete on the field, lets hope you stay one off the field because those “Pro-Life” groups are tremendously racist, violent and stupid with the martyrdom of Islamic jihadists!!!!
    Hopefully you are not the glorified prophet(profit)!!!!! (don’t get the two confused, make a decision).

  46. Vince says: Jan 16, 2010 4:53 PM

    Nothing at all wrong with this, particularly in consideration of the idiocy that we are all subjected to in the media!

  47. stnmmc says: Jan 16, 2010 4:54 PM

    He is a great person, there is no doubt about that. But I for one have no interest in what the Christian movement has to say regarding anything.
    Some of the most heinous acts in history have been performed by those in the name of the Christian god.
    The religion was formed as a way for slaves to have a better view of themselves and a life separate from their Roman oppressors. The Bible is the best selling piece of fiction ever written.
    Maybe instead Tebow should do an ad for FOTF that warns of the potential molestation by priests of the Christian Church. There would probably be less outrage, and it would be much more beneficial for the future of our country.

  48. adayatatime says: Jan 16, 2010 4:56 PM

    I disagree with Tebow’s religious beliefs and his pro-life stance completely. I can’t stand the self-righteous bunch at Focus On The Family. In fact, I’m left of Obama!
    BUT, that being said, Tebow and Focus On The Family have every right to buy time on T.V. during any program they want to promote their message. Thats what free-speech, freedom of the oress, freedom of religion, etc. are all about. If certain groups don’t like what he’s saying, or that Focus On The Family is buying time, let them do the same and present a rebuttal! A reaaly well-crafted, honest, well-spoken rebuttal would be even better!
    Civilized discourse in this nation has gone the way of the dodo in recent years. It needs to return – on all sides: right left and center.
    I am tired of arguing for the sake of arguing. We live in an incredibly complex world. If we don’t start listening to each other – and more importantly start having compassion for each other – well then, we may as well just send up the missles now because we are doomed.
    Tebow can say what he wants and so can Focus On The Family. If you don’t like it, leave the room, or change the channel until he’s done. By the way, that strategy works both ways, folks. Didn’t like the Janet Jackson costume drama or the Adam Lambert brouhaha? You could have changed the channel or left the room.
    So get off the high horses, make some more popcorn, pop open another of whatever it is you drink, and JUST ENJOY THE GAME! And while you’re at it, be grateful that you live in a place where you CAN watch it, enjoy the food you have, be with family and friends, and then go to bed in a home with a roof over you later. Lots of people can’t do that. As my coach used to say: “Quit your bitchin’!”

  49. hrguy says: Jan 16, 2010 4:57 PM

    Perfect. I always have trouble decided what commercial to miss when I have to pee. Now I have one.

  50. BigMadone says: Jan 16, 2010 5:01 PM

    Why can’t these brain-dead christian wack-jobs just go about their business and leave the rest of us alone? Rational people don’t spend ungodly amounts on ads to tell you how stupid you are. Give it a rest and enjoy the game!

  51. TealDeal says: Jan 16, 2010 5:02 PM

    I say it’s a damn shame him Mom didn’t go through with it. Screw the Gators.

  52. tstucker says: Jan 16, 2010 5:02 PM

    Hmm. Seems Tebow is not a self centered, arrogant puke like many of them. Maybe the Cards can get him in the draft and get rid of arrogant, self centerd puke Leinart. Tebow would do well training under Warner next year and replace him the following year when he retires.

  53. Voice of Football says: Jan 16, 2010 5:02 PM

    Maybe Teblow will start crying like a little girl during the commercial for extra effect, like he does whenever he loses a football game. He’s a poor loser, and very much a fake.

  54. dmar says: Jan 16, 2010 5:03 PM

    The very first post sums up my problem with this in the very first sentence: “…PERSONAL religious beliefs”.
    Why are anyone’s personal beliefs my business, and why should I care about them? It’s PERSONAL!! If Tebow, or you, are pro-choice, or pro-life, why does that give you the right to expect anyone else to live your way? And why should my Super Bowl be interrupted by anyone’s proselytizing? I don’t remember anything in my Catholic upbringing telling me to insult anyone else’s beliefs, or to consider them to be anything less than I am just because we don’t share the same religion. I must have missed that lesson in Sunday School.

  55. tstucker says: Jan 16, 2010 5:04 PM

    BigMadone is a typical liberal. Believe exactly the way I do or keep your mouth shut. Nice way to promote your bigotry there, Big(got).

  56. Opie says: Jan 16, 2010 5:06 PM

    @ poiuyt: tough economic times demanded a change in philosophy. NFL w/state lotteries, NASCAR w/distilled spirits and Super Bowl (hey Taylor can I type the Super Bowl w/out having to pay a licensing fee?) with advocacy groups.
    My questions are as follows:
    1) As a non-profit, isn’t there a better use for the $2.5+ million this will cost for advertising fee’s?
    2) Isn’t there a better use for the cost of creating, filming, editing this commercial?
    3) Isn’t there a better use for the endorsement fee, assuming that Tebow is getting paid?
    I agree w/SC21, though, they probably hope that enough folks complain so they can get out of airing it, but they still had to pay the other fees.
    During a time when folks are complaining about lack of responsible spending across the board, how can an organization that professes to be what this one does justify this? I’m not for or against Tebow, his beliefs, this organization, but seriously?

  57. jason9045 says: Jan 16, 2010 5:07 PM

    I have no problem with Tebow (wow, those were words I never thought I’d type) appearing in an ad for Focus on the Family, even though that organization is one with which I vehemently disagree.
    What I have a problem with is that organization running an ad during the Super Bowl, just as I would take issue with a similar pro-choice group, or any other hot-button-issue group, running an ad there. It’s not the time or the place. It isn’t the issue itself, it’s the raising of that divisive spectre during a time when virtually everyone is settling in for one of our modern society’s great touchstones. That’s what I find unconscionable.

  58. RightasRain says: Jan 16, 2010 5:08 PM

    Abortions are like attorneys…..no one wants one until they need one.

  59. rumpdog111 says: Jan 16, 2010 5:09 PM

    Tebow is garbage he will be lucky to just make the nfl.

  60. shaynec says: Jan 16, 2010 5:11 PM

    To those who would ask pro-lifers their stand on capital punishment, let me respond by saying the two are distinctly different topics. Comparing someone who has committed a murder (and I think the death sentence should only be used in air-tight cases) to an innocent, not-even-born-yet baby is ludicrous. You have to be a bent individual to even try to reconcile the two things in your head.
    In my experience, people are willing to get bent to deny that there is a God. That is the sad fact.
    To those that are against in your face Christians, go blog about how in-your-face gays should shut up. Or in-your-face atheists, for that matter. Why should Christians be persecuted for perfectly acceptable behaviour that other people are doing unashamedly?
    Bah, incredible double standards some idiots have.

  61. shaynec says: Jan 16, 2010 5:15 PM

    @Adayatatime
    I am a supporter of Focus on the Family, both in agreement with what they say and financially, and have been for several years. It is your right to disagree and boycott them. We can agree to disagree.
    But, sir or madam, I applaud your attitude.

  62. JayHawker says: Jan 16, 2010 5:16 PM

    What the Tebow’s have done doesn’t mean anything to me! I have lived a life that would make them envious! My wife and I have been married 29 years, have two children who have never been in trouble, both have degrees from Kansas University and they are done well in the community! I have served on variuos boards while my wife has been active in comunity organizations. What is it that the Tebow’s could show me? So they believe in what they have done! Well, so do I! What they have done is what every one should so! It’s no big deal!!!!

  63. OKCFLFan says: Jan 16, 2010 5:16 PM

    I’m pro-choice and do not hold any religious beliefs and I wouldn’t want someone to hate me for what I do or do not believe. Why would I hate someone just because they didn’t believe in the same thing I do? I believe they call that hypocrisy.

    What is great about Tim is that he lives his life true to his beliefs. And that he can remain true to his beliefs in the face of fame and super-stardom is even more amazing. Most of us can’t resist temptation and we aren’t as famous, good-looking and adored as he is.

    If nothing else, he is a strong man, and more of a man than any one I can think of. He can finish a game with a broken leg, but openly cry when he feels he let his team down. I hope that is the new definition of what a real man is.

  64. allourdayswillcome says: Jan 16, 2010 5:19 PM

    You did not miss Sunday School you missed the whole bus. This is the whole problem and this shows how deceived we are…..

  65. allourdayswillcome says: Jan 16, 2010 5:24 PM

    Pride goes before the fall

  66. geerock says: Jan 16, 2010 5:26 PM

    Leave that crap on Oprah. Just let me watch the GD game!

  67. Rainmom says: Jan 16, 2010 5:27 PM

    Why is it so outrages for someone to stand up for what they believe! Last I heard this was the LAND OF THE FREE! If you don’t agree with his point of view, DON’T, but he still has the right to speak his mind! My WWII Daddy always told me,” You have to stand for something, or you will fall for anything!” I am so sick of the media and everyone else telling us we should keep our beliefs quiet, well guess what, that’s how Germany fell into the hands of a tyrant! Speak up America! Thats what we do best, that and support the rest of the world!

  68. frank booth says: Jan 16, 2010 5:29 PM

    It’s OK. CBS will also be airing a message from Pac-Man Jones mom stating “Damn. We should have had that abortion.”

  69. RightasRain says: Jan 16, 2010 5:29 PM

    The amount of empirical evidence supporting the existence of a living God is directly proportional to the amount of evidence supporting the existence of Unicorns. Not saying you can’t have your beliefs…just saying that’s exactly what they are…”beliefs.”
    Unamerican of me? Then take it from Thomas Jefferson: “Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.”
    But I gotta go with Mark Twain: “Faith is believing what you know ain’t so.”

  70. sablegirl says: Jan 16, 2010 5:32 PM

    Wake up America – this is the land of the free – home of the brave – right to free speech, freedom of religiong, etc. etc. If you don’t like what Tebow and his mother are saying – change the channel – leave the room – hit the mute button. While I am a pro choice woman, I don’t have a problem with the Tebows. – and not just because I am a member of the “Gator Nation”. It seems no matter what he does or says people want to slam him. He is a class act person – the kind of man any parent would want their daughter to marry – the kind person any parent would want their son or daughter to emulate. He has integrity; he’s smart; he’s a great athlete; he is true to himself, his family, his friends and his team; and last but most importantly, he has a huge heart and cares for people. With all the stuff that goes on in sports, athletes bringing guns into locker room, athletes who cheat on their spouses and make huge headlines for it, athletes who admit to using steroids to enhance their careers, Tim Tebow is a huge breath of fresh air and one fine person. He is a person who says what he means and means what he says. He is person of strong faith and conviction. Keep on Tim!!!!!!!!

  71. BigMadone says: Jan 16, 2010 5:33 PM

    Hey tucker: believe what you want, and keep your mouth shut. BTW, I’m a redneck.

  72. allourdayswillcome says: Jan 16, 2010 5:34 PM

    Voice of football ………..a poor choice of names

  73. BigMadone says: Jan 16, 2010 5:37 PM

    and tell the DVD folks to lose the hideous dying cancer guy on the anti-smoking commercials that haunt the videos that I pay to rent (no, tucker, I don’t smoke)

  74. allourdayswillcome says: Jan 16, 2010 5:37 PM

    ALL OUR DAYS WILL COME

  75. allourdayswillcome says: Jan 16, 2010 5:41 PM

    march of the pilgrims, my name speaks to you

  76. lionsdontmakedealswithmen says: Jan 16, 2010 5:44 PM

    Tim- there are so many more of us behind you than the media & the internet forums will let on. Don’t stop doing what you’re doing. We need you, man- big time. SO GLAD that you’ve got the rocks to do this.
    Remember- lions don’t make deals with men- and you’re a LION, bro-

  77. nmcrane says: Jan 16, 2010 5:46 PM

    To the idiots who don’t know the difference between abortion and a killer,innocence! A murderer made the choice to kill. No innocence there. Wise up.

  78. edgy1957 says: Jan 16, 2010 5:48 PM

    RichattheLake, are you talking about someone on the Orlando site because I don’t see mocking from Taylor.
    BTW, I would wonder how some of the people here who are supporting this would be as understanding if Trojans or Planned Parenthood were trying to buy time on the religious programs or if PP tried to buy time during the Super Bowl.

  79. sablegirl says: Jan 16, 2010 5:48 PM

    “Voice of Football says:
    January 16, 2010 5:02 PM ET
    Maybe Teblow will start crying like a little girl during the commercial for extra effect, like he does whenever he loses a football game. He’s a poor loser, and very much a fake.”
    Whenever he loses a game????? Let’s see – that was one game this season – one last season – he made a pledge that for the rest of the season after they lost to Ole’ Miss that nobody would work harder, etc. He did exactly what he said – said what he meant – and they won the BCS Championship in 2008!!!! He has never been a poor loser – nor is he a fake. You need to get over yourself Mr. Voice of Football!!!!!!!!

  80. ranger12 says: Jan 16, 2010 5:59 PM

    He is entitled to his beliefs but cut the crap…. stop trying to push your shit on everyone. This religious crap has to stop, all of these holy rollers who all walk on water and spout bullshit should just shut up. Look at Carrie Prejean and her holy bullshit… These people think they are saints but they aren’t, they sin as much if not more than the next person and will burn in hell as sure as those they preach against. They are all full of shit especially those like Tebow and Prejean etc…etc….

  81. Jbar56 says: Jan 16, 2010 6:06 PM

    To dmar, who says: And why should my Super Bowl be interrupted by anyone’s proselytizing?
    Since when did this become YOUR Super Bowl? You are free to walk out of the room, change the channel, turn down the sound, etc.
    I have to sit through every movie, TV show, and reality program while they shove the gay issue in my face. If it disgusts me, I change the channel.
    Abortion no matter how you dress it up, is still ending the life of a human being. I believe that is referred to as “murder”. This doesn’t have to be a religious issue, it is an issue about a fellow human being, and taking its life! Why are you people so flippant about such a tragic deed?
    I doubt that Tim is even being paid for this. Use your brain people, quit assuming because you lie, cheat, steal, and commit immoral acts, that the rest of the world is too.

  82. jeremyb91 says: Jan 16, 2010 6:07 PM

    Freedom of Speech. Freedom of Religion. Enough said!

  83. GatorChemE says: Jan 16, 2010 6:09 PM

    Let’s leave religion out of it for the sake of argument:
    What’s the difference between killing a fetus in the first trimester and killing a newly born baby?
    “Oh, excuse me, doctor. But my spouse and I have decided that we can’t care for this one. Please dispose of it in the bio-hazard bag with the rest of the waste.”
    That line, spoken early on, earns you a look of compassion. Spoken at birth–disgust.
    What kind of society allows me to profit from one but gives me the chair for the other?
    If you aren’t prepared to have a child, don’t have intercourse.
    Congrats to the Tebows for standing behind their beliefs. FOTF…mmmm…maybe there’s a better way to spend the money?
    Although…we are talking about it…:)
    Enjoy your game hypocrites.

  84. El Stinko Latino says: Jan 16, 2010 6:13 PM

    What a moron, and what a waste of money.
    Thing is unless you are prepared to provide for the baby for the next 18 years you need to shut the hell up. No one outside of fanatic religious nutbags cares what TIM TEBOW thinks about abortion. Plus what the hell does he know about real life? Another hypocrite born with a silver spoon and given everything in life trying to push his agenda on people who actually have real life problems. Like being able to afford rent, food, clothing.
    Hey Timothy how about you and your fanatic friends go jump off a bridge. This is America not pakistan, when will these people realize religion is pretty much the cause of almost every major war and ethnic cleansing.
    Only thing religion has given the human race is a reason to hate one another. Great once this guy is in the NFL we can expect his 20 year old ass to preach to grown ass people like he knows whats best for the rest of his career.

  85. Clintspuris says: Jan 16, 2010 6:15 PM

    I see a nice career riding the bench for a few years in the NFL. His wind up slow motion delivery and lack of throwing strength will make him a liability in the big leagues. Perhaps some creative coach might use him as a Larry Czonka
    option fullback. A tad slow with his feet. He would be better served signing North of the border in Canada.
    What bothers many of us more is that right wing
    christianity is ineffective in it’s power to teach ethics and good behavior. Let’s not forget Jimmy Swaggert, Jim and Tammy Faye, Mark Sanford,
    George Bush, the Nevada politician whose name
    eludes me and the rest of these fakes.
    As for Tebow’s Christianity it’s a tad slow too.
    Many people are put off by preachy born again “Christians” and their dire need to control the rest of us by screwing around with
    our laws, our politics, our birth control, what we read, and watch at the movies and by presenting supernaturalism as real. The idea of faith over science and evidence is beyond dopey (Geez gang the Earth is more than 5000 years old) and threatens advances in civilization. Just check out all these right wing Christian politicians cheating on their wives, taking graft, sending kids into ridiculous wars, and fighting against better healthcare. The sheep don’t need another mouthpiece especially one who is challenged throwing the football big league style. A year or two from now Tebow
    won’t be viable for any advertsing for “born again” groups. He’ll be riding a bench if he’s
    lucky or North of the border.

  86. girl-notw says: Jan 16, 2010 6:17 PM

    God Bless Tebrow and his Mom. Abortion is one dead and one wounded. Women appreciate laws and a country that respects the unborn child. What kind of woman kills her own child? The answer is an evil, selfish and usually a promiscuous one. What kind of man supports the killing of his child? God can forgive but the “wages of sin is death”. Stop the insanity.

  87. Galloping Ghost67 says: Jan 16, 2010 6:26 PM

    Like many of you I too respect Tebow’s right to speak his mind on this subject. I wonder how all you would feel if he were doing a commercial supporting pro-choice (which includes the option of abortion).

  88. Bill says: Jan 16, 2010 6:29 PM

    Criminals that get the Death Penality have comitted a crime, BABY’S haven’t. Abortions are murder of an innocent BABY. Death Penality is for dirt bags that comitt serious crimes.

  89. moonsmom says: Jan 16, 2010 6:42 PM

    Why is it ok to air beer commercials when beer has been the cause of many deaths due to drunk driving but it’s not ok to air commercials that saves lives. You can’t have it both ways.

  90. Jbar56 says: Jan 16, 2010 6:44 PM

    Hey El Stinko Latino, you said “Only thing religion has given the human race is a reason to hate one another.”
    You did nothing but spew hate in your entire post, so what’s YOUR excuse for all the hate?
    You people on the LEFT are a bunch of whinny cry babies, heaven forbid anyone who stands up for something morally right! OMG the world is coming to an end if I have to listen to someone tell me I might being doing something WRONG!

  91. bisonspirit says: Jan 16, 2010 6:46 PM

    common now; we are not burning witches who are pregnate at the stake, just because they are not christians;;;or killing tribes of women and children just because they are not christians;;;;;i have had it with these self rightious people; btk was a christian;;;;they have no idea of what it means to love one another;;;;;they think if they join the big new building that all the rich and powerful belong to, then they will be save. i got news for them!!!!!!the devine creator could give a d—med……i just want to watch the game.

  92. Rhonda121 says: Jan 16, 2010 6:46 PM

    Thank God this is America. After years of infertility, 12 weeks into pregnancy #8- and no live births- I was developing cardiomyopathy that was getting severe enough that I was hospitalized and going in and out of a coma. My kidneys were begining to stop functioning, and my temperature was hovering around 103-104.9. The choice was to terminate the pregnacy or die within 2-3 days. NO other choice- I wasn’t a candidate for a heart transplant being pregnant. But 6 years of infertility- I was pregnant. I terminated my pregnancy. Hard as it was. What appeared to be a normal pregnancy with level 3 ultrasounds, and test- wasn’t. It was the cause of my cardiac issues and it was killing me. Without being able to safely terminate my pregnancy, I would have died at the age of 31. Now I am happy to say, I am the mother to a happy and very health 6’2″ 15 year old killer basketball and track athelete.
    Having the choice to have safe medical procedures available for women is between a woman, her physician and HER GOD- and not the Government. I will never forget the horrible orderal that I went thru with 13 miscarriages, most past 13 weeks- when people are sharing the news with family and friends, I was grieving the loss of a child.
    For the Tebows- I am happy it worked out for them, but it isn’t always the case for everyone- and isn’t always the right thing to do. So there isn’t a blanket answer for everyone.
    And my question- is Tebow and Rothlisberger- and blown out of school before graduation? I know several Miami of Ohio grads that think he is lower than dirt of that little disappearing act. Is he going to be a grad?

  93. capterik says: Jan 16, 2010 6:50 PM

    I think its great he has beliefs, I just have a problem with people pushing them on others. Practice your beliefs, just don’t expect others to follow it. If you do not want an abortion that is your business, but for others it is the best decision, for them.

  94. Thumper says: Jan 16, 2010 6:53 PM

    If the NFL goes through with this, I’m not watching the game. And I have seen every single one of them.
    Thats all I need, having those jabberwockys from ESPN moralizing about abortion during the pregame analysis. They have a hard enough time with the football content…”After the break, Chris Berman shares his thoughts on early pre-natal care… Back, back, back, HE-COULD-GO-ALL-THE-WAAAY…”
    No thanks. No offense to the Tebows, but this is the wrong forum for politics, no matter how well intended. Wish they could see that.
    John Taylor? I remember you. Still like getting things thrown at you, I see? LOL. Dude, you never got your due props. Always admired your work…

  95. jwestc says: Jan 16, 2010 6:59 PM

    so much of America cares not a whit about: College football or its players, REALLY, shocking as that is to so many crazed, lonely fans. that said, I don’t think much at all of FOTF or its self-serving one-note “my kind of christian or hell” messages. however, his parents’ true human works are to be commended, and maybe he can do some positive works for the world, even though I don’t agree with his religous message. and no, most mega-church “christians” and their churches do zip about the poor in their own communities, but they are not alone in that, they just like to rant about other issues more than most folks…being 100% right all the time and all.

  96. scthinker says: Jan 16, 2010 7:01 PM

    RightasRain says:
    January 16, 2010 4:29 PM ET
    So many Christians….So few lions.
    How disgusting. Would you be so glib if someone said, “So many Jews, so few gas chambers?” Or, “So many blacks, so few nooses?”
    What most bothers me about people on the left is that they seem to think that people who disagree with them not only lack the right to disagree with them, but shouldn’t even be allowed to exist.
    I’m and independent and as most see the irony in this statement, and how many Dr’s were killed in the last 2 years over their jobs; whereand their jobs had nothing to do with their religious belief, yet someone else felt it should? Maybe you shouldn’t drink the koolaide before you know the content. My quesion to you is “how is this different from the nuts on the right”? They are the most racist, religously &socially oppressive(talk about communism/natziism), step on anyone and everyone to make a dollar people you will ever meet. That like some of those on the left perform hate crimes day after day, year after year; for the record moreso than the left. Yes it’s a fact. By the way these words “So many Jews, so few gas chambers?” Or, “So many blacks, so few nooses?”have been said many times over; oh wait not just said but acted upon and it is also well documented. Insensitive prick, just like the guy making the “So many Christians…so few lions” comment you both are disqusting.
    As to Tebow didn’t like him at Florida, don’t like him now, won’t like him as pro, simply because of the hype and being overrated. His story on the otherhand is a moving one which I respect. What I don’t respect is the hypocricy and mockery of the seperation of church and state to allow this political message to be forced on people to watch during one of the biggest non-political events of year.

  97. Bigdaddycup says: Jan 16, 2010 7:01 PM

    I wonder if the pro choice side will have a 30 sec commercial featuring Hitler, Ted Bundy, or Charlie Manson?

  98. DublD says: Jan 16, 2010 7:01 PM

    30 second spot? Great, gives me enough time to piss and get a snack. When during the game is this going to happen?
    Who cares, if you don’t like it tune it out, if you have to have someone tell you its wrong then watch it.
    I think it is disgusting to have every other athlete try to convey their religious beliefs at every opportunity. I certainly wouldn’t frequent a restaraunt if the wait staff exhibited the same behaivor after taking my order. If I want religion I go to church. I don’t want the church coming to me.

  99. David Moore says: Jan 16, 2010 7:06 PM

    Anyway, I get email from the right and the left. They don’t really make their case all the time because each presumes their constituency is as passionate or as outraged as the senders.
    I’m glad I can still think. I don’t have all the answers, but I am not obligated to hate or ridicule “opponents.”

  100. john pileggi says: Jan 16, 2010 7:13 PM

    Some may decide to disagree with Tebow’s views, and they deserve the same respect that those who agree with his views deserve, but I do not understand why there should be any rancor or anger. Abortion is an issue that has divided this country for many, many years. The Pro Choice group may disagree with Right to Life, but to belittle Tebow or seek to deny that he has very right to broadcast his message is just plain wrong. America was born for that premise.

  101. Ambidexter says: Jan 16, 2010 7:16 PM

    If you don’t like abortions, don’t have one.
    It always amazes me how conservatives say they want to have government off of peoples’ backs, except when people are doing stuff that conservatives don’t like. Then the conservatives want the government to come down hard on those people the conservatives are against. Just goes to show how hypocritical conservatives are.

  102. allourdayswillcome says: Jan 16, 2010 7:27 PM

    Rhonda121 He knows all, the rest of us won’t make your judgement….
    Beer commercials, no problems there WOW .
    Pay the money and you can say what you want to on TV. Simple enough……………

  103. bisonspirit says: Jan 16, 2010 7:28 PM

    mulims behead and no one gets pissed; christian killers get life instead of death penalty. anti abortian activist asks for leniancy for his murder of a doctor because of his religious beliefs, christian passages and campaign speeches get thieves voted into office, they are all laughing at us real believers. the believers in the 10 commandments. thou shalt not steal being number one. i`m glad i am 66 years old now and retirering;;;;;;;i could not take anymore of this fakery by so called christians and right wing zeolots if i were younger. enjoy the game; it could be our last under the flag and constitution of the good old u.s.a. .

  104. dallasfan61 says: Jan 16, 2010 7:28 PM

    adayatatime, your response may well be one of the most intelligent that I have ever read on this site.
    You hit the nail on the head. Regardless of our personal beliefs, it should always be remembered that the constitution garauntees us the right to free speech. I may not agree with FOF or Tebow’s message but it is their right to express it.
    That being said, my favorite SuperBowl commercials will no doubt be the ones made by the beer companies, not by anyone looking to support a political or moral agenda.

  105. bisonspirit says: Jan 16, 2010 7:29 PM

    mulims behead and no one gets pissed; christian killers get life instead of death penalty. anti abortian activist asks for leniancy for his murder of a doctor because of his religious beliefs, christian passages and campaign speeches get thieves voted into office, they are all laughing at us real believers. the believers in the 10 commandments. thou shalt not steal being number one. i`m glad i am 66 years old now and retirering;;;;;;;i could not take anymore of this fakery by so called christians and right wing zeolots if i were younger. enjoy the game; it could be our last under the flag and constitution of the good old u.s.a. .

  106. skinny pigeon says: Jan 16, 2010 7:33 PM

    If you support the death penalty, don’t refer to yourself as pro-life….read the Ten Commandments. There isn’t an * after “Thou shalt not kill.”
    So JT, you finally have a post that brought all of the lurking wackos out.

  107. SpankMonkey says: Jan 16, 2010 7:35 PM

    religious freaks need to shut the f%4k up. i don’t give a rats ass what your beliefs are. tebow … shove your bible up your ass.

  108. AJ says: Jan 16, 2010 7:35 PM

    Winston Wolfe, you cannot be that stupid–it is impossible–your comparison is inconceivable–no way you can be that stupid–I refuse to believe that anybody on this earth can be that stupid–I do not believe it–

  109. DLN says: Jan 16, 2010 7:41 PM

    In the past, ads from PETA (and other groups) have been banned from Super Bowl telecasts.
    I don’t object to Focus on the Family running their ad, provided other groups are given the same opportunity.
    If Super Bowl timeouts are going to become a “marketplace of ideas,” then it should be an open market.

  110. The Templar Knight says: Jan 16, 2010 7:43 PM

    Good for Tim!
    It is regrettable that the Left Wing Media is even making an issue out of it.

  111. John Taylor says: Jan 16, 2010 7:43 PM

    @ skinny pigeon: it does appear that way, doesn’t it? ;-)

  112. football fan says: Jan 16, 2010 7:45 PM

    Tim Tebow…he appears to be a class act who lives what he believes. Focus on Family….I think they are the definition of hypocrisy and are one of the most hateful groups around. Agree they have the right to say what they think, and I can ignore them. I do really wish a classy guy like Tebow would associate himself with a group less hateful, but heh, it is his choice. Choice…oops, not something they want others to have. Never mind.

  113. bags16float says: Jan 16, 2010 7:47 PM

    I have no problem with this. Considering out of all the first world developed countries, the USA has the worst crime rate. We have a major problem with murder, rape, guns, violence, and theft. This is not seen in other countries such as England, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Germany, France etc…even out divorce rate is awful!

  114. Leona says: Jan 16, 2010 7:48 PM

    This is a free country and you are free to your opinion and your are free to share that opinion, Christian or otherwise.
    As to FOTF paying for the ad, this is from their website “Daly added that all the funds to air the ad came from a handful of “very generous and committed friends” who donated specifically to support the project. No money from the ministry’s general fund was used.”” When people donate for a specific cause that is what is expected it to be spent on.
    As for Planned Parenthood or anyone else buying ad time, more power to them. As I said this is a free country, if they have people who will donate their money for a competing ad, I’m sure Superbowl will take their money too.

  115. shaynec says: Jan 16, 2010 7:54 PM

    @skinny pigeon
    If you look in the original language it literally says you shall not murder. Some killing is justified (ie capital punishment).

  116. out_of_aces says: Jan 16, 2010 8:00 PM

    okay, follow with me on here:
    most southern baptists believe:
    A. a fetus is a baby
    B. When babies die, they go straight to heaven.
    so really, when an abortion is performed, it sends the baby straight to heaven to live an eternal life with Jesus without giving them the chance to screw up and face eternal damnation. So really, women who get abortions are the ultimate heroes because they’re protecting their unborn fetuses eternal soul.

  117. Sara/Peter says: Jan 16, 2010 8:10 PM

    Bravo to the Tebow family…..I admire their courage and beliefs!!!!

  118. JustMe says: Jan 16, 2010 8:11 PM

    You know I always love the idiots who ask the stupid question about well if you are against abortion(or what you would call pro-life) what is your stance on the death penalty. Here is the short of it. That child never had a chance but someone on death row who was a piece of crap murdering idiot who was able to make a choice and kill someone else. Big difference on pro-life and the death penalty. So to answer your question from someone that is “pro-life for allowing a child to have a life” I am for the death penalty. Oh oh oh I can not believe I said that. Shame on the person that contridicts themselves. Not a contridication. What if you momma had an abortion with you? Well guess you would not be able to respond to this post huh! Have a good day because your mother did not abort you. Opps look you can have a good day!!!!!

  119. Deb says: Jan 16, 2010 8:12 PM

    @ skinny pigeon … I’m not getting into a nutso abortion debate on a football site, but I believe if you’ll check, you’ll find the word translated as “kill” in the “Ten Commandments” is closer in concept to “murder” in the original language.
    @Thumper … Since the NFL can’t approve the ads that run during the Super Bowl, you’re blaming the wrong people (and as a fan, you’re cutting off your nose to spite your face–turn off the ad, not the game). This is a network issue and networks have previously refused to accept controversial ads during the Super Bowl. I agree w/other posters that CBS might refuse this ad–which would mean a lot of free publicity for this organization–a strategy many such groups employ. Their goal is to get attention. And in that, they’ve already succeeded.

  120. peterparker says: Jan 16, 2010 8:14 PM

    I am adamantly pro-choice. I also respect the right of anyone to disagree with my position. What I cannot abide is the fact that, in order to get his message across, Tim Tebow teamed up with Focus On The Family, a known hate group who donated almost one million dollars to Proposition 8 in a successful effort to strip an entire class of people in California from enjoying the civil right of civil marriage.
    Focus On Your OWN Damn Family!

  121. Quintin says: Jan 16, 2010 8:16 PM

    So my question to all the haters is if it was Pro-Choice would you still be up in arms about it. I doubt it and for Crushitlong, I personally don’t care for the guy however, his beliefs are his. Take a step back and realize that if you don’t like the guy or what he is saying just one click of the remote will rectify the problem. I do agree with quite a few of you on how the ad could distort the issue here with not listening to the doctors when they say the mother’s life is at risk. But at the same time we all need to realize that as a society we need to grow up and be adults about our decisions and stop trying to make them for others. We all have the ability to reason so what if some do it better than the rest it’s called “survival of the fittest”.

  122. peachinnyc says: Jan 16, 2010 8:17 PM

    I’ve never written on a board but now I must.
    I fought the idea of a God for a long time. I thought anyone who would let me miscarry twice the child of a man I loved more than anything or anyone I had ever known couldn’t be kind. Then I was raped. Twice. And the of the two strangers who left my body and spirit so very badly damaged, one left me pregneant. It wasn’t the fact that it was a stranger’s child. The women who carry babies for others willingly are amazingly strong and kind. But every night when I woke up screaming from the nightmares that are still sometimes so real that I can smell the sweat all over again, I realized that this was not a child made in love, but created in an act of violence. The man responsible actually leered to me that “I would always have to remember him now”. Yes, he found out.
    I prayed. A lot…. and then I had the abortion.
    It was God (or whatever you believe) that got me through it. I have scars that linger and the dreams still come, even though that was years ago. I’m alive though and still relatively sane. I thank God for that every night. I see what’s happening in Haiti and realize exactly how blessed my life has been. I sleep in a bed surrounded by four sturdy walls without having to worry if I will eat tomorrow.
    God is fine with me. This much I know. He hasn’t given me too much to handle, and held my hand when I thought I couldn’t. No one can take that away… no one. I relish that.
    The reason I wrote is simply this: anyone is welcome to their beliefs and we are all lucky to perhaps become a bit wiser by reading an opinion different from our own. To read about the “crazy liberals”, the “baby-killers”, the “conservative nuts”, the “bible-thumpers”….. I look at the HATE on the board and just feel sad for us all. No one wants to have an abortion… who would ever WANT that? You can call me a baby killer, selfish or as one thoughtful poster suggested…. a slut. What happened to me, ALL of what happened to me, brought me closer to God. So even I’m not sorry.
    All of us need to respect each other. For those of us that support an abortion ban- how can we claim to love life when we can’t even be civil to the other people? And for those of us that support a woman’s right to choose- how can we say we support choice and then condemn others for choosing a different opinion? None of us is any better than the others, none of us more sane or insane and no one belief more valid than any other.
    It is brave to share your opinion on such a delicate, personal matter and even more courageous to allow that opion to be challenged and to consider the other side. But to spew hate in the name of God, or to villify those who follow their faith while championing free thinking is hypocritical at best. We can all do better…..
    After all, at the end, we are talking about a commercial airing at a football game.

  123. tzcz says: Jan 16, 2010 8:19 PM

    “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” (Matthew 10:34) And yet, “Peace I leave with you; My peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives.” (John 14:27) And once again the warnings and promises of Jesus are being fulfilled, as seen in some of the comments above.

  124. shaynec says: Jan 16, 2010 8:19 PM

    @out_of_aces
    By that logic we should venerate people who kidnap, abuse, and then murder children. Doesn’t sound like a good idea to me.
    @Rhonda121
    I am definitely pro-life. That being said I am sorry for your tragic loss, and happy that you have recovered from it. Please don’t take this as patronizing, I really was saddened by your story and glad to hear your pride when describing your 15 yr old.
    If my wife were in the same position, I would like to think that we would hope that God would intervene in a way to save them both, and not get an abortion. Having never been in that situation, I don’t know how I would react. The point you raise is certainly a valid one.
    However, I think that the women who use abortion as birth control after the fact are blithely killing babies. Your situation was completely different.

  125. Discostu570 says: Jan 16, 2010 8:20 PM

    @ shaynec
    I promise you, if some famous gay football star went on TV during the super bowl trying to convince other people to be gay, all the exact same objections would apply.
    This isn’t about defending pro-choice beliefs from criticism, this is an effort to expand the flock. Whether the relevant belief system is abortion rights, gayness, atheism or transubstantiation, I’d rather not have to hear about it when I’m trying to watch a game.

  126. AJ says: Jan 16, 2010 8:25 PM

    Winston Wolfe, you cannot be that stupid–it is impossible–your comparison is inconceivable–no way you can be that stupid–I refuse to believe that anybody on this earth can be that stupid–I do not believe it–

  127. pc says: Jan 16, 2010 8:31 PM

    Just a quick update for those accusing Focus on the Family of misusing or foolishly using funds…
    According to their website:
    The president of FOTF said that “all the funds to air the ad came from a handful of ‘very generous and committed friends’ who donated specifically to support the project. No money from the ministry’s general fund was used.”
    http://www2.focusonthefamily.com/press/pressreleases/a000001434.cfm
    So they were more of a flagship organization that connected with individuals that wanted to make this kind of thing happen. It didn’t cost FOTF staffers their jobs, take funds away from Haiti relief, or anything of the like.
    Might help to get facts straight before making accusations…

  128. gruntersdad says: Jan 16, 2010 8:34 PM

    The best part of the season was seeing Teebow crying like a girl when they lost. What a baby. Boo hoo hoo. These ads have no place on a football game, either side.

  129. edgy1957 says: Jan 16, 2010 8:34 PM

    Jbar56, you “have to” sit through all of that. Correct me if I’m wrong but wouldn’t that mean that your husband or wife has a gun pointed to your head to force you to watch that? Seriously, no one HAS to watch anything. It’s funny that people won’t take responsibility to monitor what their children watch or what games they play but they can sure push for legislation to force V-Chips and ratings on everyone else and THEN have to nerve NOT to activate them because they don’t want to take the time (big surprise) to sit down and read the instructions.
    I happen to watch Bravo on certain days of the week and NOT because I’m a fan of most of their shows but I do happen to enjoy The West Wing, House and Law And Order: Criminal Intent. You can keep all their other shows and guess what, when they come on, I — wait for it — CHANGE the channel. I can guarantee you that I have NEVER been forced into watching something that I find objectionable. Hell, there are certain broadcasters that I hate listening to and if I can find audio from another feed during that game, I listen to it and if not, I watch the game with the volume turned down.

  130. shaynec says: Jan 16, 2010 8:35 PM

    @Discostu570
    I think the motive is to make those considering abortion pause and think about the potential they may be killing, not to ‘expand the flock.’ Mind you, I have no problem with ‘expanding the flock,’ that just doesn’t seem the point of this ad.
    Now, I would have no problem with homosexuals, atheists, Muslims, what have you buying ad time during the Super Bowl. Free speech is an important part of American culture. I *would* have a problem with a network selling ad space to an anti-Christian group during a specifically Christian tv show, as that would simply be trying to discredit Christianity. However, much as it seems like a religion, football isn’t one :) Having a show with a Christian message during a game is not specifically trying to discredit football.
    There are many religions out there. Mine is the right one, or I wouldn’t believe it (go figure). However, people are as free to choose a different religion or lifestyle as I am to choose mine.

  131. Frank2828 says: Jan 16, 2010 8:42 PM

    In all of Human History there has never been a culture, Nation, Civilization, or people that the act of promoting life has been wrong. How could there possibly be any negative connotation for one human to promote the life and longevity of another. If any other sports figure were to promote the right of the individual to take the life of an unborn human there would be no questioning, reluctance, or apprehension yet we are concerned about the controversy of this potential add during the superbowl. Where have the values that once drove this nation to set the standards in human life and rights. We give the Medal Of Honor to a soldier who saves the life of another soldier in battle yet we are concerned about Tim Tebow promoting the life of an unborn child. Take one minute and truly think about this to yourself within your own conscience.

  132. scott_nchills says: Jan 16, 2010 8:46 PM

    Does the average “pro-life” person believe in the death penalty?
    Does the average “pro-life” person believe the sacrifice of tens, or more probably hundreds of thousands of lives in Iraq over the last eight years was warranted and can be justified?
    The election and re-election of a president by the name of George W. Bush gives us the answer to these two questions.
    Does the average “pro-live” person know what the word “HYPOCRISY” means?

  133. Tinselburn says: Jan 16, 2010 8:47 PM

    So im seeing all these words typed out but all im reading is “She’s a Witch! Burn Her! Burn Her!” Now im just trying to figure out if Tim Tebow weighs more than a duck and who got turned into a newt.

  134. JVanhoose says: Jan 16, 2010 8:55 PM

    Praise the Lord. I think it is wonderful that Focus on the Family and the Tebows are teaming up here. I think a Pro-Life ad in such a high profile slot is a great thing.

  135. mrf47 says: Jan 16, 2010 9:03 PM

    Time to jack-up advertising rates. Thanks, Tim!
    Sincerely,
    Comcast

  136. shaynec says: Jan 16, 2010 9:04 PM

    @scott_nchills
    I believe in the death penalty. Point?
    Was the Afghan invasion justified? How come no one ever mentions that one? BTW, Bush screwed up going into Iraq. He left a mess and we have to pay the bill. I believe that his reasons were personal, and not justifiable. Don’t know if I’m average tho.
    The word hypocrisy means an expression of agreement that is not supported by real conviction. Again, point?
    BTW, being a Canadian I can’t vote. Would I have voted for Bush? Likely the first time, not sure the second. The alternative back then wasn’t any more trustworthy imho.
    @Tinselburn
    Whoever got turned into a newt, I’m sure he got better.
    Srsly tho, if all you see is “She’s a Witch! Burn Her! Burn Her!” then who’s close minded? The Christian wack jobs or you?

  137. les says: Jan 16, 2010 9:08 PM

    Tim Tebow has every right to his personal beliefs. However, I don’t need them crammed down my throat during A FOOTBALL GAME. I have to wonder what would happen is a Muslim, Jew, Wiccan, etc. wanted to do a commercial about an aspect of their beliefs – wouldn’t happen.
    I have to wonder what good could have been done with all that money. Money to Haiti, feeding starving children, education just to name a few. Tim Tebow nor his mother will ever affect my life in any way. So I really don’t give a rat’s you know what what they believe or don’t believe.

  138. Todd Martin says: Jan 16, 2010 9:09 PM

    I could not care less which fairy tale Tim Tebow believes in – Jesus, Allah, Buddha, or Casper the Friendly Ghost. I don’t even care if he wants to promote an anti-abortion rights group – it is his perogative. However, supporting a group who has the denial of rights to one group of people as a fundamental plank in their platform of hatred does anger me.
    So yes, speaking his mind and supporting his beliefs takes a certain courage; however, the courage is more than outweighed by the bigotry of those beliefs. Stop using the myth of Jesus as both a crutch and a weapon and I’ll respect you, Mr. Tebow. Until then, I despise you not for your silly beliefs, but for your evil actions. May you be drafted by the Raiders and disappear into obilivion.

  139. scott_nchills says: Jan 16, 2010 9:11 PM

    @shaynec
    What do YOU think the term “pro-life” means?
    Hopefully now you get it… my ‘point’ that is.

  140. BudMan says: Jan 16, 2010 9:13 PM

    I’m baffled over why anyone could find fault with someone speaking out against murder. Some of you folks need to check up on the things that go on in your head. Sure you have the right to say what you want but why aren’t you too ashamed to express such garbage?

  141. Tinselburn says: Jan 16, 2010 9:16 PM

    @shaynec
    Im sure I dont have to point out that I didnt actually pick a side there.
    but yes I am a wack job. Not like one of those brits who claims “jedi” as a religion…but still…

  142. Deb says: Jan 16, 2010 9:38 PM

    @peachinnyc …
    I’m torn between commending your bravery and saying you should not be throwing your pearls in here. It reminds me of a verse from the opening lines of John’s Gospel: “The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.” I share your faith, agree with your views, and can relate to some of your experience. Though I never had to make such a terrible decision, my heart breaks for you. For most people, these are abstract issues. They have no idea how much human suffering is involved–and the sad thing is they don’t really care. That’s why I generally avoid these debates. It’s almost impossible to pierce hardened hearts. I’m only posting now so–whatever else is said or not said–you’ll know someone heard, was touched by your post, and admires your courage to survive, to find your faith, and to share. God bless.

  143. willmose says: Jan 16, 2010 9:38 PM

    The group should be called “Worship the Family” as they worship the family calling this worship “Christianity” when it is in fact family worship. They set up the family as their god and they worship this god. “You shall have no other gods besides me” They are not Christians in any sense of the Word. How sad, this young man has been brainwashed by this cult. The next commerical will feature Tebow with guns for the Family, mowing down doctors, homosexuals, bi-racial families, single parent families and anyone who dares to speak against the almighty Dodson. All this to worship the “Family”. It is a cult full of hatred, sucking the spirit out of well-meaning people and teaching them to worship Satan.

  144. shaynec says: Jan 16, 2010 9:40 PM

    @scott_nchills
    In the context of this article and comments it means opposing legal abortion for reasons other than a few exceptions (ie rape, threat to the mother’s life).
    The meaning of the individual words are as follows: pro – in favor of a proposition, opinion, etc., life – a living person; “his heroism saved a life”.
    Pro life is a term used to make the position of anti-abortionist sound more positive, just as Pro choice makes the advocating of killing unborn babies sound more positive. It is called a euphemism.
    Ok, so taking the meaning of the individual terms, I am not pro *all* life.
    I believe in capital punishment in the case of a murder conviction with absolutely no doubt of guilt. I would gladly pull the trigger myself in some of the cases you hear on the news.
    I believe that there are justifiable wars. Iraq is *not* one of them. I said that before the invasion (while all the democrats were calling for the invasion, remember), and have maintained it since.
    Again, your point? Are you saying the term ‘pro life’ offends you because I am pro capital punishment? Ok, call me anti-abortion then. Same thing in this context. And I am proud to be anti-abortion.

  145. shaynec says: Jan 16, 2010 9:44 PM

    @Tinselburn
    Dude, I meant *me* as the Christian wack job. :)
    It seemed to me that you were invoking the stereotype of ‘ignorant Christian’ with your MP quote. (I love MP btw!) If not, I apologize for jumping to that conclusion.

  146. shaynec says: Jan 16, 2010 9:49 PM

    @willmose and many others
    Please give me a documented example of hatred on the part of Focus on the Family. I have searched this evening and in the past and cannot find more than opinion and that James Dobson once told a racist joke. And the joke thing isn’t documented in any way, it is just anecdotal.
    I am looking for where they say ‘we hate…’ and then mention a group. Not just where they say they believe that homosexuality is unnatural and that homosexuals should not be allowed to be married. That is certainly not hating them.
    Most of what I read lists Focus on the Family and groups like the KKK in the same article, paints them with the same rhetoric, but supplies no actual points against Focus. They simply mention them in an article with a group that is universally abhorred and let readers conclude that they are also a hate group. Cheap propaganda technique imho.

  147. jeremyb91 says: Jan 16, 2010 9:53 PM

    What’s the difference between Tim Tebow who wears his religion on his sleeve and Reggie White who did the same?
    I grew up in a Christian church with a step-mom who made me picket hospitals with her. In my opinion it shouldn’t be done unless under extreme lifesaving or rape/incest instances, but at the same time I believe it’s not my choice nor anyone else’s to make that decision accept for obviously the parents.
    All this controversy over an athlete making such a commercial is brought to us because of our veterans and others who have served our country. Tim Tebow and this radical group have the rights and freedom afforded them to spread their word. I may not like what they preach, but because of our freedoms they deserve every right to voice their opinion without reprimand.
    I personally like the guy although I disagree with some of his religious views. He’s a natural leader and has the smarts to learn how to be great. The intangibles are there and it’s possible he could overcome the spread QB and become a good under-the-center QB. The guy is one of those guys who naturally attracts people to him and makes them feel good. If he can make the transition he could become awesome because of his willpower.

  148. Tinselburn says: Jan 16, 2010 10:01 PM

    @shaynec
    No worries. I assure you I was not offended nor did I intend any to anyone (with the exception of those limey fake jedi’s) …(okay not them either…damn ingrained civility)

  149. scott_nchills says: Jan 16, 2010 10:06 PM

    @shaynec
    “Are you saying the term ‘pro life’ offends you?”
    Yes. And it is also hypocritical (in the case of the majority of those who use the term).
    The adoption of this term by (the right wing / anti-abortionists, etc.) is offensive to reasonable people who believe abortion should be (as it is) legal in certain situations.
    Similarly, the declaration of (a day in January – I don’t recall the exact date) ‘national sanctity of life’ day by the most vigorous proponent of the death penalty (George Bush), a few months before his launching of a massive, ‘pre-emptive’, unwarranted military invasion of a city of six million (resulting in the inevitable death of tens of thousands of innocent lives) is the definition of the word ‘hypocrisy’.
    Personally, I believe:
    1. The death penalty is warranted in certain situations.
    2. War is necessary in certain situations.
    3. Abortion should be legal, in certain situations.

  150. peachinnyc says: Jan 16, 2010 10:07 PM

    @Deb……
    I’m fine putting my two cents. There is no need to feel sorry though; I’m not. My experiences broadened my views and made me assess what was truly important to me.
    The Dhali Lama has made the suggestion that a certain amount of good and a certain amount of evil is inevietable in this world. It isn’t evenly dispersed, but if we were to “round it off” to would come out about that way. He goes on to say that we often ask ourselves “Why me?” when bad things happen to us when the real question is, “Why NOT me?’
    I don’t believe that any of us gets more than we can handle. When I put my life up against someone else’s, I tend to want to keep my own. We all choose how we respond when something horrible happens. So if a certain amount of evil has to happen, I’ll shoulder my share. Luckily, faith keeps me from seeing it as a burden and offers me the chance to learn something from it.
    Your words are awfully kind. Am I in the wrong room?

  151. shaynec says: Jan 16, 2010 10:09 PM

    @Tinselburn
    Meh, I gladly offend idiots :) My apologies for thinking you were one of them.
    Being an uncouth Canadian, I appreciate British civility :)

  152. Mike Z says: Jan 16, 2010 10:10 PM

    The funny thing is, Tebow has accomplished more in his life at the age of 18 then most of you losers have hiding behind your keyboards. LOL.
    Go continue to look up to Snoop Dog, Gilbert Arenas and the rest of the ghetto trash, aight!

  153. football fan says: Jan 16, 2010 10:34 PM

    Ah, does life begin at conception or birth? Scientists, doctors, ethicists disagree, and the truth is that we all have our own belief, but none of us has proof. I believe that peachinnyc made a thoughtful, agonizing decision, and am happy she has found peace. Unless you have walked in her shoes, you can’t know…and I have no doubt that the Lord understands. To throw out phrases like murderer and babykiller not only is insensitive it violates the Bible that many here claim to believe in…that part about not judging others.
    I will choose to turn away from Tim Tebow and his Focus on Family ad. His parents made a choice, something he and his folks and FOF want to take away from others. I prefer my football without politics or religion. And, yes, I would feel the same way if someone made a prochoice ad..doesn’t seem like the right forum. Watch or don’t…your choice. Suggest the same for decisions I may make about my family and our health…our choice, not yours, not the gov’t, not the Tebow’s or FOF.

  154. nmcrane says: Jan 16, 2010 10:38 PM

    Oh this is so much fun, the librals and the drunks are really showing the problems with this country today, do you feel threarened, or to dumb to turn the TV down for 30 seconds (its one of the buttons on your remote). I know that no big bang created anything, and I know GOD gave us freewill to make the choices we make, again, to dumb to make the choice to get up get another beer, just think you wont miss any of the game. You dont even know whats in the spot, but you are sure quick to judge it. Typical you get scared and you whine , is there a hint there that you might be wrong and there is a loving GOD? All you have to do is open your eyes and you will see a beautiful purpose. I get offended by beer commercials and such, SO WHAT, this is America, And GOD has blessed it, and you also, like it or not!

  155. scrapdawg12 says: Jan 16, 2010 10:49 PM

    The spread offense and Jacksonville Jaguars are where Tebow will land. Try to trade Garrard to Buffalo for a 3rd rounder or something.

  156. chance66 says: Jan 16, 2010 11:11 PM

    Tim Tebow is free to promote whatever cause is important to him…I’d do the same if I had the same platform.
    That being said, if MEN could get PREGNANT not only would abortion be legal it would be federally funded.

  157. Wrathchild says: Jan 16, 2010 11:15 PM

    This is absolutely disgusting. They had better give Pro-Choice folks the same opportunity for airtime (and at the same steep discount) as they are giving to this garbage.
    I personally don’t care what you believe, just don’t tell me about it.

  158. Deb says: Jan 16, 2010 11:45 PM

    @peachinnyc …
    Been down many rough paths myself–and the last time I shared some of that here, I wound up being verbally eviscerated by a very troubled person. Didn’t want that to happen to you–especially with what you shared. As I said, we have some experiences in common … and the events you described involve a different level of vulnerability than what I had previously opened up about here. That’s why I was concerned.
    Like you, I view my life as blessed. The bad things have helped shape me and I wouldn’t trade with anyone. But I’m finally learning my mother was wise when she told me to be selective when giving of myself the way you have here. Unfortunately, with few exceptions, most of the people in a room like this can’t hear anything but the sound of their own arguments.

  159. love_sonnet says: Jan 17, 2010 12:17 AM

    There are some good post from both sides of the discussion on this article. There are also some errors made on both sides of the discussion. One in particular on the right is the quote of the commandment, thou shalt not kill. That is and incorrect translation of the original writings. In the original Hebrew text it is thou shalt not commit murder. So many Christians try to shove their religion down the throats and into the minds of many unbelievers. I believe in God and his son Jesus, but I do not try to preach to everyone I meet. What I do do is try to live my life so that others may see and ask why I am the way I am. I think from what I have read that Tim Tebow aslo does that. No one has the right to fault another for his or her beliefs just because they do not agree. I will be honest with everyone here. I think I am the smartest person in the world. The more that amoralistic or agnostic sceintist try to disprove the existance of a God the more they prove his existance. Since I was a child I have believed that there is intelligent life on other worlds far more advanced than our own. Scientist are now finding other worlds in other star systems similar to our own. Out of the billions X billions X billions of stars in the cosmos. For man to believe we are the only ones he has to be so narrow minded that even if he were hit with a bolt of lightning it would not change his mind. The problem is they do not read and follow their on manual for living. It says In the beginning God created man in his image and likeness. ( excuse me ). The bible or the Christian manual for life declares that God is a man! My question to every one here is could he be a man from another world much like our own in physiology? Except that it is so much more advanced that they could have found a planet (namely our earth) and planted seeds and nurtured life as we know it into existance. I believe it is possible that is what has actually happened. As for those of you who do not believe I say you have the right to believe what you want. Yes you are right in your statements of the hyprocracy of the moral right as you call it. I will say this. Murder is murder. Abortion is murder. I do not believe in abortion but sometimes it is a necessary evil that has to be done to protect others. Whether or not they air the advertisement is immaterial, it will not change anyones mind. Neither what I have written here today change anyones mind but it will give them something to think about on both sides of the coin of does God or doesn’t God exist. Am I correct in my speculation about the one we call God. Think about it. Open your mind and let some symblence of intelligence burst forth. It is food for thought. Many writers have written many science fiction books and made many movies of space and space travel. I think they are on the right track that one day man will find that he is not alone in the universe. The only place I tend to disagree with their writings is their depiction of inteligent life in the form a hideous monster like alien life form. I think that when life is found on other worlds it will be much like our own. So please do not criticize some one for their personal beliefs especially if they do actually do live by them as I have read about Tim and his family who do and are not the ones to be lumped with the mainstream religious right, because that is exactly what they are is religious. Religion is not practiced beliefs but rather a form of control of someone who desires to follow the teachings or that religion.

  160. willmose says: Jan 17, 2010 12:39 AM

    @shaynec — You are one of the cult that worships the family instead of the God. You have freedom of religion, so that is your right. As it is your right to hate people. Homosexuality is “unnatural”, that is very bad choice of words and reveals your unlying hatred. Have you ever had any experience with nature, homosexual behavior abounds. James Dodson your spirtiual leader is a man full of hate, a lay person that worships Satan, call him the “family”. Those of us who grew up in the same town as Dr. Dodson know him for what he truly is. A family – not God – worshiping, pawn of Satan. If you truly do not hate homosexuals as you say, how about loving them and forgiving them no matter what. You have the right to marry, but they don’t. Why is that? As a Christian, I am called to forgive, not to condemn. I called to love not hate. God made us all different for His own pleasure. God alone saves us, not some “family” structure, not following the commandments, not condemning homosexuals, not condemning bi-racial families, not condemning single parent families, not quoting scripture, not reading scripture. God call us to forgive and love and to trust in the resurrection on the last day. It is God that does the saving not James Dodson.
    James Dodson tells you that the family is part of God plan. That is a bearing false witness to the truth. Peace, Grace and Resurrection is God’s plan. Forgive, forgive, forgive. Instead Dodson at Satan’s beck and call tells you to Focus on the Family, to hate sin and not forgive it. That is Satan’s message. God’s message is Grace. I forgive you, I forgive James Dodson, and God forgives you and James Dodson and me whether we repent or not and whether or not we focus on the family.

  161. shaynec says: Jan 17, 2010 12:41 AM

    @scott_nchills
    Pro Life is simply a label, as Pro Choice is. If I decide I want to run around naked with mayo smeared on my genitals would they back me? Heck no! Therefore they are hypocrites. They won’t back my choices! Thought they were pro choice! All choices!
    Except…
    Pro Choice means pro-abortion-if-a-woman-wants-it. It applies to the abortion question. They aren’t hypocrites for not siding with me on the mayo smeared genitalia.
    By that token, neither is the name Pro Life hypocritical.

  162. Alan says: Jan 17, 2010 1:50 AM

    There goes U of Florida’s respect in the world’s view as a higher learning academia. I thought college was about opening your eyes to understanding the world was not flat. Focus on the Family, don’t get me started. The harm that group has caused in families is out of control. From a woman’s rights to choose to gay civil rights. I could go for days. If you have an opinion about something and want to use the pulpit to voice it then atleast educate yourself with the group you’re going to represent.

  163. shaynec says: Jan 17, 2010 2:04 AM

    @willmose
    Wow! Where to begin…
    You don’t know what I believe. Heck, you obviously don’t know what Dobson (not Dodson) believes. He no more worships the family than he worships a dead mouse. He believes that the family is an important building block in the church as well as our culture, and wants to see it protected. I agree. That does not detract from either his or my faith and belief in God. His ministry focuses on the family where other ministries focus on evangelism, social service and assistance, music, a myriad of other things. Doesn’t mean his whole life and thought is focused only on the family, to the exclusion of God.
    I don’t hate people. I take that back. I hate the man who smashed his baby’s head against a wall last year because it kept crying. It’s not right to hate anyone, but I do hate him. But I don’t hate people who disagree with me about religion, philosophy, whatever. Opinions are like butt-holes; we all have them, and most stink. But they are just that, opinions. Of course mine happen to be right. :) FYI, I just (as in an hour ago) finished a very civil 2 hour conversation with the manager of the hotel I’m in about the Muslim religion. He is a Muslim from Pakistan, and very eloquent. It was a very enjoyable, enlightening and civil conversation. At no time did he or I say that the other was part of a cult, or say anything negative about each other’s religion. He told me what he believed, I told him what I believed, we agreed to disagree, shook hands, went on our way.
    Should I forgive a homosexual for being a homosexual, which is in my opinion a choice to sin? (Argue all you want, that is what I believe.) No. Not my job to forgive them. Also not my job to condemn them. Both belong to God. I personally believe that they should be allowed a civil marriage ceremony that gives them the legal rights those of us married to someone of the opposite sex get. In no way should a Christian be compelled to marry them, which is an infringement on his religious freedom. Their freedom does not trump mine. They do *not* have the right to force a church to marry them. I also believe they should not be allowed to adopt children, as I believe that their lifestyle is bent and unwholesome.
    Now, in your tirade you say that ‘God alone saves us, not some “family” structure, not following the commandments, not condemning homosexuals, not condemning bi-racial families, not condemning single parent families, not quoting scripture, not reading scripture.’ I am assuming you are attributing this list of negativity to Dobson (apparently you didn’t live next door to him if you grew up in the same town or you’d know his name) and not me, as you don’t know me from Adam. I agree with the whole sentence you wrote, I just don’t see the relevance. If you are saying Focus promotes hate document it. Don’t spout off crap that you heard from someone who read it from someone who saw it on a bathroom wall at a truckstop. Where’s your proof? And I mean on *every* point. For example, condemning biracial families; I certainly don’t, and I have *never* read anything on Focus that does. They have cautioned people that having a bi-racial marriage is quite difficult, as society is still somewhat racist, but they don’t condemn it.
    I completely disagree with your last statement, “God forgives you and James Dodson and me whether we repent or not.” If you are talking about the God of the Bible, we do not all get a free pass. He does not forgive us all. He forgives those who accept Jesus as their Lord, confess their sin, repent (turn away from) their sin. If you do not repent, no forgiveness. That’s plain in the Bible. If you don’t believe the Bible then your credibility in talking about God drops down to nothing with me, and you may as well just write random words.
    Hmmm, what else; I did not state in my previous remarks that I believe homosexuality is unnatural, I said that Focus does. Actually, I do as well, though it is unnatural (imho) in humanity. Gay cats and dogs? Seen’em. I don’t think animals can choose to sin, so it must be natural for them. Doesn’t mean it’s natural for people. It’s natural for squids to shoot ink. I don’t do that.
    willmose, you seem to have some religious philosophy that you are apporaching this from. Do you belong to an organized religion, or is this just your own take?
    Sorry that this post is all over the place. I found it hard to answer what you wrote in a coherent manner, as your post was rather incoherent.

  164. shaynec says: Jan 17, 2010 2:06 AM

    If my previous long post happens to post more than once, my apologies. I was having server trouble. If there is a human moderator for these comments, please only post my last once, and feel free to delete this post.

  165. GregJones says: Jan 17, 2010 8:08 AM

    richatthelake, you said it yourself PERSONAL and religious beliefs…
    I dont really care whether he believes in abortion, no abortion, shit he can worship the devil or jesus or accept muhammed himself as his one and only prophet, the beauty of this country is that he has the freedom to do that…
    now with that being said, the key word you said was PERSONAL, as in keep it to your damn self.
    I have no problem with what he believes in just as I have no problem with what someone who has an abortion believes in, but you dont see that person using the superbowl to preach about abortion.
    Just cause the man has some conviction that he thinks is justified doesnt mean anyone and everyone who watches the superbowl wants to hear about it.
    as far as im concerned, Tebow, Joel osteen, all those little attention whores need to shut up. I love that he helps people with missionary work, I think thats great, but guess what, millions of other americans do the same amount or more for those of us not as well off, but you dont see them running around preaching and boasting about religion and trying to impose their beliefs on others. thats the beauty of freedom, people can believe what they want! you guys hop on his jesus bandwagon and act like anyone who doesnt like it is an asshole, no we just have our own opionions.
    I just donated money to haiti, I donate blood, give away clothing, and volunteer, Im also a jew, does that mean I should start trying to get TV ads to have people believe in what I do? ABSOLUTELY NOT, theyre my PERSONAL beliefs, and I have friends who are muslims, christians, whatever, Its their business, not mine, and certainly not 100 million superbowl watchers, we dont need to hear that crap, its FOOTBALL not the state senate, and for now abortion is legal, so all you guys and anyone who posts and tries to turn this into a political arguement…take a hike, watch some good old american football.

  166. GregJones says: Jan 17, 2010 8:31 AM

    If you want to use your fame to raise money for a charity, fine.
    If you want to use your fame to speak out against some Illegal injustice, go right ahead.
    If you want to use fame to try to change laws(Like say…abortion) , well…go into law or politics.
    This is football. not the senate. now you say, hey Jim brown does it, people applaud him. Jim brown does, and very intelligently I might add, stays away from religion. The beauty of america is that we have freedom of religion, and I have read 100 comments that say it exactly right, “personal beliefs”. thats just what they are, personal. Dont praise tim tebow for all the work he’s done, because millions of other americans do the same or more without begging for all this attention, but then again dont (ahem..) crucify him either for helping those not as well off.
    Yes, he is a very well raised kid.
    Yes, he helps people.
    Yes, He is an attention whore.
    Yes, he needs to realize that there are other religions and other beliefs in this world, and it is not his place to use the media to try and impose his religious beliefs on others.
    There was a time when superbowl ads were funny, intellegent, and creative. Mean Joe Green promoted a positive family value by tossing that polite kid his jersey in the coke commercial of old. That promotes a positive image for children to look up to, and there are many ads that promote positive rolls for families to play as well.
    Theres a reason they call it “pro choice” and theres the same reason why this company calls is “pro family values” no one wants to say the word abortion, or address it, because it is a private issue.
    Last time I checked in america, you have control over your own body and your own religion, and the choices you make are private and your own, no one should make those choices for you, but you.
    So tim, if we wanted religious advice, we can go to a mosque, syagaouge, church or whatever else we want, we dont need an average IQ University of Florida Graduate telling us how we should conduct our lives, because as much as you hate to hear it, theres smarter, theres more benevolent, and yes, there are better athletes, so stop acting like youre some great white hope and keep your religious beliefs to yourself. If you dont want to, do what the mormans do and go door to door, at least then it gives individual attention. We get it, you like attention, but do what youre gonna be vastly overpaid to do, and just play some football.

  167. josephi says: Jan 17, 2010 8:42 AM

    Tebow is a Good Guy -BUT!!
    Wouldn’t the $4 or $5 million be better spent preaching abstinence and convincing those who choose to have sex to use protection? Most everyone already has a firm and unchangeable belief on Pro Life and Freedom of Choice.
    Furthermore, this ad will do nothing to change other people’s belief or alter the “Law of The Land”. Trust me, others far more powerful than you, your family or this infomercial have tried and failed. Besides, most no one cares what your family beliefs are or any of your parents storied past marital decisions are.
    So, good luck in life Tim Tebow and may God Bless you, your family and their beliefs. Just remember – T H I N K about what you’re doing and its long term effect in life. Heck, who knows, you may change your mind in 5,10,15,20 years. And be very careful of the TIGER syndrome!!
    P.S. I believe in Pro-Life, that includes “No Death Penalty”. And remember, it’s not up to you, me or anyone else to try and ram this message down other people’s throat.

  168. Bucforever says: Jan 17, 2010 8:51 AM

    Wow,162 sports fans actually have opinions regarding something barely sports related!
    I am impressed . Looks like somebody hit a nerve. My opinion? Let it be, let it be!

  169. RGR says: Jan 17, 2010 9:25 AM

    Why is it everytime a Christian stands up for his beliefs it is narrow minded and too conservative, but when alternate lifestyle people stand and expound on their beliefs, it is ok and forward thinking. The liberal media has basically tried to take the free speech right away from Christians by ridiculing everything they say ( although I have to say Pat Robertson and the pact with the devil thing was way out there and deserved criticism) Let Tim stand up for his beliefs and let pro choice stand up for their beliefs…equal opportunity to speak without all of the criticism!
    Media…report the news, we DON”T need your opinions…we can figure out our own, on our own!!!

  170. brooks999 says: Jan 17, 2010 10:24 AM

    Well said Greg Jones….
    Why and when should others religious beliefs ever affect the peoples choices.
    I am from Canada and notice that the citizens of the US are being Polarized.
    Remember the old saying…. Divide and Conquer
    Seems to me that is exactly what is happening to the US on any and all issues.

  171. GregJones says: Jan 17, 2010 10:31 AM

    @ RGR
    First you said let tebow freely speak and stand up for his own opinons, then u said Media…report the news, we DON”T need your opinions…we can figure out our own, on our own!!!
    so one person can have their opinions but jay glazer or keith oberman cant? thats funny seems kinda like a double standard.
    and as for christians standing up for what they believe in, lets see…spanish inquisition, christian churches claiming blacks were inferior in the 1950′s, pretty much the “rationalization” for 70% of the ethnic clensings in the past…need I go on? y’all have a bad track record, Its like pacman jones trying to tell people not to drink and drive, people dont want to hear what he would have to say.
    And dont call it standing up for his morals and then call anything the “liberal media” has to say taking away freedoms. you cant have it both ways, either tebow is preaching and the liberals are taking away freedoms, or tebow is standing behind his morals and the liberals are too….thats my problem with people like you, if tebow was a muslim, did the same service to the community but did it in the name of allah, you would be calling him a terrorist, this outcry of support is cause you wanna feel like a real christian or what have you, a real follower of any religious faith would have an open mind to anything “the liberal media” has to say.
    Oh and in case you were wondering, yes he stole his speech from friday night lights, doesnt make him some badass, anyone can stand in front of a camera and repeat lines that billy bob thorton said, i mean come on he’s liberal, hes gotta be stupid right?
    get the hell of your high horse and stop acting like christians are the victims, because youre clearly not a real christian, and history has shown us, you guys are anyhitng but victims.

  172. Tinselburn says: Jan 17, 2010 3:41 PM

    C’mon guys (and ladies). I think we can pull together and insert “activist judges” “mavericks” into the argument can’t we? just think how much sweeter it would be. here I’ll try “It would be a shame if that totally awesome “Maverick” Timothy Tebow wasn’t allowed to billy club the nation with his beliefs due to the sinister actions of “Activist Judges” and those socialistic left wing freedom lovers who have the nerve, the nerve!, to follow the policy of not allowing superbowl ad time to hot button issues.
    See. It just feels great. you should try it.

  173. Fed Up With Fools says: Jan 17, 2010 3:58 PM

    Our country is in the midst of losing our sovereignty…and we are here discussing this!
    However, THIS is a lesson in what has happened to the average American. Although there appears to be a sampling of a wide range of intelligence quotients from the commentators, no one appears to be on the imbecellic level, save a few miscreants. With that in mind, for those able to understand for far:
    Those indulging themselves with passing pleasures to the extinction of their conscience, have the unfortunate blame for what our country will be in the near future: A FALLEN EMPIRE.
    It is clearly shown by the comments of gnashing, snarling liberals that Human Life means nothing to you. If it wasn’t for the growling sounds of your body demanding food, and the unfettered lusts you experience, I daresay, you would not even be aware of your own existence. You have lost the ability to reason due to the dullness and neglect of your parents, and the under-education you have recieved in the public/private school system. You have sought to”enlighten” your mind with all manners of putrid pursuits. Your favorite activites revolve around pornography in all it’s forms. The philosophy you study is that of Mr. Homer Simpson. You have nothing to commend yourselves other than a blinking stare that the institutionalized mental patients would envy.
    The reason that Tim Tebow and his confreres bring such a gut-wrenching disturbance to you is because you have lost what has the most value: Your humanity. You have squandered the gifts God has given you. You have turned your back on His laws while you steep yourselves in iniquity. You consciences, having been seared, have ceased to function. Now, all that is left to you is a biting passion to drag others down with you into your unhappy pit. While you careen from porn, to pre-marital sex, to adultery, to lies, indecency, abortions, homosexuality…and God knows what else you crave…I must tell you: NONE of it will satisfy the urges you have and you will never become truly happy. Happiness comes from God. Making up your own versions of Him has got you where you are today. Ask God to enlighten your darkened mind and tell Him you want to know the TRUTH. He’ll oblige you if you are sincere. God resists the proud so be humble…

  174. Tinselburn says: Jan 17, 2010 5:15 PM

    So i know what a miscreant is, and my apologies for going a little bit off topic here, but should i be using the term “creant” as a compliment. I mean I already get odd looks when I tell people that they are very ruthfull so i dont know. This being a college football website id hope at someone here attends college and could fill me in on that. so sorry about that. everyone feel free to go back to denouncing anyone who has the nerve to disagree with anything anyone says ever.

  175. Gatorfan1 says: Jan 17, 2010 5:35 PM

    Deb,
    Sorry that you feel I am “troubled”. It is amazing the arrogance that you dsiplay on a regular basis!
    If you recall, you blasted me on my first original post on this board.
    When someone has a dissenting opinion, you don’t engage the person in debate; you immediately attack their character!
    Because you have such little tolerance for others opinion that makes you a very closed minded individual, which is truly sad because you seem to be intelligent.
    As much as I dislike you and find you “troubled” I have actually found some of your posts insightful, and they do make me think and to re-evaluate my position on some of my own ideas.
    That will always be the difference between you & me. I strive to grow intellectually and challenge myself on my own beliefs. I don’t feel I have all the answers and if intellectually engaging opinions from a source that I do not particularly like (you) helps me form better opinions that’s makes me a better person. Even a source you don’t like can sometimes “open your eyes” on a particular issue.
    Unlike you, I am not scared of other people’s intelligence or opinions even if they don’t exactly match my own. Your just pissed off that you couldn’t run me off this blog.
    ps: I saw your last post to peachinnyc where you claim I “verbally eviscerated” you.
    Wow, a side of you I never thought we’d see, YOU playing the martyr!!

  176. Deb says: Jan 17, 2010 5:50 PM

    @Gatorfan1 …
    That you can’t see the difference between a group of people clowning around about football and someone screaming at another person that she is lying about multiple cancer battles is truly sad. You have completely distorted my posts. I have not tried to run you off the blog. I wouldn’t even know how. Nor would I care to try. You are irrelevant to me. Now please stop trying to engage me. I will not respond to you again.

  177. Gatorfan1 says: Jan 17, 2010 6:07 PM

    Deb,
    You not engaging me would be great! However, when you post something about me to someone else you can bet I will be right there to respond.
    Because you can’t always win the battle of words, grow up!
    Take a REAL good look at yourself, if you call your responses to me clowning around, you truly DO need help!!!

  178. Tinselburn says: Jan 17, 2010 6:22 PM

    @gatorfan1
    wait wait, you and Deb were engaged? Internet relationships never work out…you have my condolences…

  179. Deb says: Jan 17, 2010 6:39 PM

    @Tinselburn …
    I needed that laugh–thanks! ;-)

  180. Gatorfan1 says: Jan 17, 2010 6:42 PM

    Tinselburn:
    I know…..what was I THINKING….lol…

  181. Fed Up With Fools says: Jan 17, 2010 9:08 PM

    For peaceinnyc,
    It strikes me odd that your innocent child was punished in place of her father, who appears to have been “let off the hook”. How is it that the perpetrator of this crime was anywhere near you to be able to taunt you about your baby? Did you report your rape/s?
    You have my sympathy. Any difficulties the modern person encounters are encouraged to be done away with as soon as possible…even to the point of ignoring the humanity of the pre-born. Your lack of knowledge of God and your own value in His eyes, necessitates a base reaction, common in this “culture of death”.
    As a woman, I can think of no more damaging fate than rape, but death…and that of compounding my rape with allowing it to conquer my soul and submit myself to further injury by killing my own innocent child.
    Satan got a double play that day.
    I fully understand how it comes about that you must justify your choice. Degeneration of the soul demands such. Every evil action we engage in lessens our abilities to discern. Abortion can never be justified.
    Your reaction to lash out and kill your baby seems to have been done while suffering from post-traumatic stress syndrome, as evidenced by the description you provided of your nightmares and the recalling odors of the event, a re-living of sorts.
    Perhaps, your culpability is diminished to some extent…I do know God is merciful to the supplicants. However, repentence is the condition.

  182. Deb says: Jan 17, 2010 10:34 PM

    @Fed Up With Fools …
    Reading your shamefully arrogant post reminded me that Christ always fixed his harshest condemnation on the Pharisees–those pretentious, self-important fools who were so busy examining the splinters in the eyes of those around them that they couldn’t see the logs in their own.
    I hope peachinnyc recognizes you for what you are: A sad Pharisaical woman who needs to belittle others to make yourself feel important. Based on what you’ve both written here, peachinnyc’s understanding of God and His grace is far beyond yours, and I hope she’ll just pray for you but otherwise ignore you and leave you to God’s judgment. Apparently when you were digging out scriptures to wave in people’s faces, you missed the one about how He will judge us with the same level of compassion we show others. That being the case, may He have mercy on your soul.

  183. Tinselburn says: Jan 17, 2010 10:58 PM

    speaking of god and the devil and condeming everyone (especially fake jedis) am I the only one seeing the patriots shocking everyone and drafting Tebow only to have Belichik eat his heart during the next solar eclipse? Thats what Belichik does right? Eat virgin hearts? That was spygate was about really. for serious.

  184. DCroz says: Jan 17, 2010 11:29 PM

    With all the posts above, I doubt I’m saying something original here, but…
    Why is it when someone encourages a woman not to have an abortion that it is construed as an effort to take away her right to choose? I’ve seen posters up above that have criticized Tebow and other pro-lifers as “promoting religious oppression.” Really? So how can a woman have a right to choose if her only choice according to the pro-abortion folks is to have an abortion? Woman decides to have an abortion: Praise for her choice; Woman decides not to have an abortion: Blasted as being too intimidated or old-fashioned to “exercise her rights.”
    To those of you saying that people like Tebow should just shut up: No, YOU just shut up. Who the hell are you to tell people who have opinions other than yours that they should not express them? The intellectual dishonesty from liberals is staggering, and despite their claims otherwise, they lack the intelligence to detect the irony between their assertion that they are open-minded and their closed-mindedness to anything outside their own dogma. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, and has the right to express it. Try retaking 8th-grade civics since apparently you were absent the day your teacher discussed this principle.
    Now, may I say that I do agree with the posters who wonder why FotF is spending $2.5 million on an ad at a time when its donations are down, when they have laid off workers, and when there are surely better ways to use the money? And I am a little concerned that the ad would seem to send the message that abortion should not be done even if the mother’s life is in danger. Yes, the doctors were wrong in Tebow’s case, but they are also often right in others where they recommend a mother have an abortion because of health issues. But it’s FotF’s money, it’s Tebow’s decision to appear in the ad, and if you don’t like it, then don’t watch it.
    (And before you go looking for the appropriate pigeon hole in which to file me, may I say I am a libertarian politically, I can’t stand the far right any more than the far left, I do think abortion should be legal, I’ve not been to church in about 15 years, and I’m a gay man. Yes, some of us do watch sports.)

  185. RGR says: Jan 17, 2010 11:52 PM

    @ Greg Jones
    When individuals go into “reporting” the news, that is what they are supposed to do…report.
    Keith Oberman is last person I would describe as a reporter. Your rant was totally uncalled for…I noted that Pro choice and Pro life both have the right to have their opinion and to express it. By the way, I am a teacher, my roommate, a fellow teacher is black, a vegan and a democrat…but we get along just fine because we both tolerate each other’s opinions and I don’t gross her out by eating medium rare steaks in her presence. Your opinion that all Christians are uptight conservatives is totally wrong. Don’t assume that I think all muslims are terrorists…you are really a jerk!

  186. Bucforever says: Jan 18, 2010 8:59 AM

    192 repsonses . Is this a record??

  187. John Taylor says: Jan 18, 2010 9:27 AM

    @ Bucforever: Far and away a record for CFT.

  188. Fed Up With Fools says: Jan 18, 2010 12:19 PM

    For Deb,
    My comments to peaceinnyc were charity itself. Your mind, perhaps, is unable to grasp the meaning of charity, but I am sure it has more to do with a disposition lacking to educate yourself rather than an intellectual inability to understand.
    I will explain why I have been more “charitable” to peaceinnyc than you. True charity comes from the fountain of God. Taking into consideration the passing nature of our bodies, it would appear that our souls will continue to live on, a point of which I hope you can agree? If not we must stop here for you will not understand…
    If assumed that you believe in God, or your own foolish version of Him, at the very least, you might also believe in some kind of eternal salvation. Taking it to be so, I point out that we must be worthy to enter into eternal life.
    Given the heinous nature of offspring-killing, it is quite possible for God to frown on such activites. Should peaceinnyc be left to her own delusions that she is absolved from this act due to her own wishful desire that God also recognizes “freedom of choice” and is bound by Man’s dictates and laws?
    No, unhappy woman. And neither should you be left to your delusion that what you have “chosen” will be acceptable to God, because YOU say so.
    When a woman aborts her child, she is left with an extreme imprint of that child in her soul. You see, energy, once created cannot be destroyed, but only changes forms. That child remains in existence eternally. You & peaceinnyc may have done away with the physical body of your baby…yet you remain that child’s mother. As your murdered baby’s mother, the child, nonetheless, has a claim to you as he or she has to his/her’s father. What of the sibling/s deprived of the right to that comfort of a brother or sister? No one gets off the proverbial hook.
    While it is safe to assume that the child is with God in some very meaning manner, it is not safe to assume the parents of the dead child are free to roam unfettered through life.
    Look into the fact that the original scientist studying the connection between abortion and breast cancer, once part of the abortion industry’s conspiracy to squash the findings, has recently recanted and affirmed that link.
    Many women continue to experience guilt problems after abortion and tend to ply themselves with alcohol, drugs, over-eating, promiscuity, or prescription drugs to anesthetize themselves against the horrors of their “choice”.
    While you may point to my ilk as a catalyst of said guilt, it is the typical scape-goat, and you have very typical responses…however, guilt cannot be caused by an outside influence. Guilt comes from within and can only be heightened by another’s reaction.
    So, in all charity, I simply have offered to peaceinnyc, the correction of her excuses and the thought that there is peace to be made with God and forgiveness flowing, should she be interested in taking advantage of the Mercy He offers.
    As to the charge against me of belittling her…I fear for the guilt that you carry. To “see” belittlement in my charitable post is a sign of your mounting anxiety and ignorance as to the cause of your pain: Your very own guilty conscience. This is the same cause of your hallucination of my “pulling out Scripture”, which, if you read my posts again, I have not done so.
    As to looking at the splinter in my own eye…I continually struggle with those splinters. I did not post my own proclivities to sin, however, nor past sins on a pulic board. If I had, it would be in a cry for help, and if I failed to see my error, I would hope that someone would correct me, in a fraternal charity, and set me straight on the path to righteousness and peace.

  189. Deb says: Jan 18, 2010 1:52 PM

    @Fed Up With Fools …
    No, you did not quote specific scriptures. You simply waved around Biblical concepts with the kind of ferocity one would have expected to see in Moses as he raised his staff to part the Red Sea. We are not going to agree on anything so it’s pointless to continue. But I must clear up the misconception that my walk has paralleled peachinnyc’s. As I said, we have shared some common experiences. But I have never been pregnant, so the “guilty conscience” you perceived in my comments was, like so much else, a figment of your imagination. And as a cancer survivor well-versed in cancer data, I feel compelled to point out for the sake of other readers that the breast cancer propaganda you wove into your comments–a favorite myth of anti-abortion extremists–has absolutely no scientific validity.
    Now, I’m leaving this thread. I’m sure you’re sincere in your beliefs. But we’d all be better served leaving God’s judgment to God.

  190. grunt28542 says: Jan 18, 2010 3:31 PM

    Grendel and Crush it.. Damn.. Must be envy is that it? Is it his ability to inspire that makes you envious? Is it his solid family upbringing? I suppose it could be a myriad of different events. Either way, you are entitled to your opinion. Whether is it worth anything is entirely up to you. After all, you offered nothing to support your claims.

  191. Fed Up With Fools says: Jan 18, 2010 3:56 PM

    Dear Deb,
    It is unfortunate that you have had the struggle of cancer. It is most unpleasant. However, a sufferer of a condition does not make one “well-versed in cancer data”.
    What compels you to “point out” the “absolute” lack of “scientific validity” in the breast cancer-abortion link is your reliance on pamphlets from Planned Parenthood. Would they be likely to admit such a link…taking into consideration of the link between their “services” & lawsuits? Are you likely to hear this information from the Komen Foundation, who donates to PP? Perhaps you expect the providers of such services to tell you? Do you think those in bed, financially, with the biggest killer of humanity, Planned Parenthood, to be honest?
    Women are now recieving settlements in court for the lack of disclosure of medical risks of abortion.
    For all the “freedom of choice”, it is ironic that you would expect the grave issue to drop at the assurances of your “data”, swirling in your head. Isn’t more kind to direct people to researching the issues themselves before making such a foolish and life-altering decision?
    http://www.abortionbreastcancer.com/The_Link.htm
    http://www.jpands.org/vol13no1/lanfranchi.pdf
    You will see, Deb, there are more than enough scientific studies and information to give pause before one “chooses”. Blocking it out, tapping those red heels together, will not wish it away. There is a reason those studies are being undertaken…it is precisely because the stats for breast cancer are rising alarmingly
    in those countries newly exposing their girls and ladies to the horrors of legalized abortion.
    Birth control pills and shots are now being called into question as…you might want to look into that as well.
    Good luck to you. I hope you remain free from the scourge of cancer and heal from your poor choices that plague you. We are all God’s Children and He loves all of us equally.

  192. whogivesacrap says: Jan 18, 2010 5:52 PM

    I just want to watch football and beer comercials.The hell with politics and lifes troubles for 4 hours.I don`t care what tebow or any other god head thinks I have made it through 50 years of life by myself just fine.I have only been to church twice (wedding was one)and I`m still married.So shut up and lets watch some football

  193. RealTebowfan says: Jan 18, 2010 6:30 PM

    All in all it comes down to this…..Tebow is a football player…a great one….and just a human being……although a great one of those too……A genuinely caring and sincere person, who I very much admire. Even more for what he does off the field (SAY WHAT YOU WILL, BUT HE’S THE REAL DEAL FOLKS!) than what he does on.
    Sure, he is using the platform he earned to forward a cause he believes in, one he lives…FOTF is not paying for this ad, it is funded by private donations made specifically for this ad. I do not personally agree with much that the FOTF ministry believes, but I do agree with their right to put it out there.
    They are paying for ad space just like everyone else. Fast food and soft drinks cause obesity…Beer aids in alcohol abuse and DUI car accidents….But their ads are OK and this isn’t? Sure, we can decide for ourselves if we eat the junk…or drink abusively…but Tebow can’t decide to do an ad for something he stands for? Go take a break when it comes on….That 30 seconds won’t likely change you one day or the other.
    It’s America. We are all free here. It’s about making the choice about what is right for you in your own life, in your own situation, against your own belief system. That is simply what Tim is doing. Give him a break.

  194. love_sonnet says: Jan 19, 2010 1:22 AM

    Since the supreme court and certain legislatures have made abortion legal they need to take the next step. Pass legislation that if you have an abortion you also have to have your ovaries removed also. If medical doctors say pregnancy will be life threatning for you now what makes anyone or any doctor think that will change. As for a woman who doesn’t want children now but may at a future date. Say to them abortion now no children later. If you do not want to become pregnant do not have sexual intercourse. Plain and simple no sex. That is the only way to insure you will not have to have an abortion. If you choose to have sex and take precautions and still become pregnant makes no difference. Choose abortion choose sterilization.

  195. love_sonnet says: Jan 19, 2010 1:23 AM

    Since the supreme court and certain legislatures have made abortion legal they need to take the next step. Pass legislation that if you have an abortion you also have to have your ovaries removed also. If medical doctors say pregnancy will be life threatning for you now what makes anyone or any doctor think that will change. As for a woman who doesn’t want children now but may at a future date. Say to them abortion now no children later. If you do not want to become pregnant do not have sexual intercourse. Plain and simple no sex. That is the only way to insure you will not have to have an abortion. If you choose to have sex and take precautions and still become pregnant makes no difference. Choose abortion choose sterilization.

  196. Gatorfan1 says: Jan 19, 2010 7:54 AM

    Deb,
    “A sad Pharisaical woman who needs to belittle others to make yourself feel important”.
    REALLY!!! Really this from you???
    It’s amazing how people can sum up such an accurate and pointed description about someone else that PERFECTLY describes themeselves!!!
    YOU are one incredible hypocrite!!!!

  197. cbfan says: Jan 19, 2010 8:26 AM

    I am not a Tebow fan but admire him for standing up for what he believes in.

  198. Seeryer says: Jan 19, 2010 1:17 PM

    If anyone goes to Bob Tebow Ministries online the first thing that will greet them is a “Donate Now” button. That is what this is all about. It is about Tebow Ministries. Bob Tebow has pimped his son out ever since his Pop Warner days. This commercial is just the latest facet of that plan.

  199. Seeryer says: Jan 19, 2010 1:22 PM

    @ love sonnet,
    Thanks for displaying the Right’s abortion argument. This isn’t about life. This is about punishing people for having sex. Because your world view only allows sex between a married husband and wife you want all people who violate any of that world view to be punished. That is why most people have a problem with so called pro-lifers. Because all you people do is sit and judge and never put yourselves in people’s shoes. Not every girl that gets pregnant has a family that they can turn to for support or a partner that will help provide for that child but in your mind, they should have to pay the time for doing the crime”. A child born to the unprepared may turn out worse than an aborted fetus.

  200. mrqwag says: Jan 19, 2010 2:06 PM

    I don’t see how abortion and the death penalty can even be compared. With one you are killing an innocent baby and with the other you are killing a murderer/rapist.. etc. I know killing is killing but this is like comparing apples and oranges.

  201. agapn9 says: Jan 19, 2010 3:28 PM

    I am not a baptist though my grandmother was. I like Urban Meyer – that’s not a sin folks.
    I like Tebow. He’s sincere and willing to do things he’s not comfortable with when he thinks that’s the right thing to do.
    I don’t like Focus on the Family because when religious people get involved in politics they usually don’t think deeply enough about the problem.
    However, abortion is one of those sins that cries out to God for justice. So I admire Tim for trying to protect us from God’s wrath.
    Tim isn’t pushing any political candidate nor he is trying to overthrow Roe vs Wade – so relax people.
    He is a living testimony to a person who was given a chance by his loving mother’s courage and made the most of it.
    I voted for Clinton, Gore, and Kerry. And would so again.

  202. Seeryer says: Jan 19, 2010 3:49 PM

    @ mrqwag,
    Personally, I have no problem with either. I don’t have a problem with the death penalty though I would be ok with life in prison without the possibility of parole for all Death Row inmates simply because mistakes have been made in courtrooms. As far as abortion goes, it is a personal decision for the woman and she should be able to weigh all options and act accordingly. To answer your question however, it is not comparing apples to oranges because life is life. Whether it be in the form of a murderer in prison or in the form of a fetus. Personally, I think it is disgusting that a man can have the power, with the stroke of a pen, to essentially force women into birthing children. Which is what overturning Roe vs Wade would be. If you are anti-choice please open an orphanage, advocate safe sex or virginity but please don’t march in front of an abortion provider while a woman is carrying out the most emotional decision in her life and call her a murderer.

  203. Seeryer says: Jan 19, 2010 4:07 PM

    @ RGR,
    Everytime a Christian stands up for his beliefs? Are you talking about when Brit Hume told Tiger Woods that Buddhism was not conducive to the forgiveness he needs so he should become a Christian? Do you even know what free speech is? How can liberals in the media “basically tried to take the free speech right away”, when the right to free speech restrains the GOVT from acting against you, (ie arrest). However, the media can note your speech and you can pay the consequences. Like poor ole Carri Prejean. All she did was say that gays shouldn’t be allowed to marry and ever since she has been raked over the coals and appeared on more TV shows and magazines than she ever would have simply being miss CA runner up. THE HORROR. SHE ATE UP EVERY SECOND OF IT. The persecution of these Christians by the liberal media is too much. I mean, Joel Osteen is only on liberal media affiliates every SUN and makes tens of millions of dollars. In other words, it is not the Christian beliefs that are being ridiculed, it is the stupidity coming out of Christians’ mouths that are being ridiculed. Tebow can do what he wants, anyone who knows anything about his family knew it was only a matter of time before political advocacy jumped to the forefront. Oh yeah, RGR, how do you like it when Hollywood actors get into political activism? I am sure you watch Fox News and think, “the conservative media want to take away the free speech rights of Hollywood actors”. And I am sure you hate all that opinion you hear on Fox News huh? FACTS ONLY RIGHT?

  204. DrewpyDraws says: Jan 19, 2010 6:04 PM

    They should show it. If you’ve got money to buy and ad and it doesn’t violate a law, they should show the ad.
    However they shouldn’t discriminate in what ads they do and don’t show. What about when CBS didn’t show and add from the UCC??
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/1/18/20440/4372

  205. Whatever says: Jan 20, 2010 10:28 AM

    I am just stunned that this post has 205 comments so far.
    God, I hate the offseason…

  206. cbfan says: Jan 20, 2010 2:38 PM

    Seeryer says: A child born to the unprepared may turn out worse than an aborted fetus.
    I used to think this way too until I realized how stupid that sounded. Try telling a child that it would have been better had we killed you because we did not have the means to support you. Think of how many great people have risen from poverty/neglect. Every life deserves a chance.

  207. Seeryer says: Jan 20, 2010 2:56 PM

    @ cbfan,
    A child that is never born never knows the struggles of life. Granted, they do not know the joy either. I am simply making a point that almost anyone can reproduce but not nearly as many can raise a child. That child could end up suffering a horrible childhood that haunts his or her entire life and who knows if there is any collateral damage when this person has had enough of life’s ills.

  208. Fed Up With Fools says: Jan 20, 2010 4:18 PM

    To Seeryer,
    As a “marcher” of abortion clinics, allow me to tell you what I have seen:
    Girls and Ladies are driven into the compound by men, early Saturday mornings, the day in which most abortions are performed. The parking area around the abortuary is fenced in with a tall iron fence, quite like jail bars. While the man gapes at those gathered, who are giving witness to the humanity and death of the child of his that will soon be dead, the mother is hunched down in her seat, often crying. We see the man get out and go to the girl’s side of the vehicle. He helps her out. She frequently then looks at us and the signs, as we continue to pray. There is no shouting, no yelling and no frightening behavior of those there to pray for the baby and his/her parents that came to kill them. Frequently, the prayers of the Rosary are whispered on the sidewalks, meditations of the Joyful mysteries of Jesus’ conception and birth….or the Sorrowful mysteries are prayed of Jesus’ sufferings and death. Sometimes, the girl will come over and get the pamplets with assistance numbers for her and help during the birth and years afterwards. The boy/man will be upset. Often times more the girl/lady will be seen shaking her head in the car and won’t get out until assisted by the boy/man. He will take her with his arm around her back and move her forward in there, as she cries. It is nothing compared to the loud sobbing when she comes out. His arm is not around her now. They walk side by side, not touching.
    I think it is disgusting that a man by the power of his persuasion can make a woman give up her right to choose life for their baby.
    Most relationships break up after the man convinces his girlfriend/wife to abort. The problem is taken care of and he is off the hook. He moves on and the woman is left without him and their baby. Must we be shocked at the higher suicide, depression and drug/alcohol abuse rates of post-abortive women?
    What of the man, who is acting as he should when he finds out he is to be a Daddy? Why should a foolish woman be able to kill their child without even consulting him? How is it that he is unable to protect his child from death? What is the effect on a real man who has all the proper feelings of love and the desire to protect his family, when his wife/ girlfriend decides their baby must be put to death because she doesn’t want to be inconvenienced?
    Must I open an orphanage, now? I am not of the means to do so…however, I do give my money to pro-life pregnancy assitance centers that take care of mothers and babies for years after the birth, and we donate to a child we financially adopted from South Amercia…and we give to the Vitae Society.
    If the cost of a pro-life opinion is opening an orphanage…what is the cost of a pro-death opinion? Will be you opening a mortuary, then?

  209. Seeryer says: Jan 20, 2010 5:35 PM

    Fed up with fools,
    I am not going to go line for line answering your questions. Regardless of what you say, I will not change my views. I do not think yelling at women who are contemplating abortion that they are murderers is very classy but that is just me. I did not put a cost on a pro life statement, I just feel that abortion clinic protesters are more about being pro-hate than they are being pro life. I won’t be opening a mortuary anytime soon nor will I be hanging out at Focus on the Family with picket signs asking them why they are so pro-life yet so anti-welfare? Nor will I be hanging outside your church protesting the fact that you pray to a mythical entity that is nothing more than a literary trick that has snowed gullible fools like yourself for hundreds of years. I’ll still think all those things.

  210. Deb says: Jan 20, 2010 6:13 PM

    @Fed Up With Fools …
    Curiosity has gotten the better of me. As I said, I won’t debate you on abortion because my beliefs are my own and I haven’t expressed them here. This thread is not about abortion. It’s about how people feel regarding Tim Tebow’s planned participation in a controversial ad scheduled to run during the Super Bowl. Nor will I play dueling cancer stats with you. No, being a cancer survivor does not make me well-versed in cancer data. However, being a writer/editor who has written books for medical research organizations does. But I’m terribly curious about one thing:
    Are you a college football fan who frequents CFT? Or do you simply search the Internet for threads on this topic?
    It’s an either/or question that shouldn’t require a detailed response.

  211. Gatorfan1 says: Jan 21, 2010 1:12 PM

    Deb,
    What a shock , you’ve managed to continue your game of one upmanship !!!!
    Let’s see, when someone on this blog mentioned a serious ailment or tough going YOU of course had Cancer.
    When someone questioned your data on Cancer, just because you supposedly had it, you then of course became a Publisher/Editor of Cancer manuals.
    If this isn’t enough you previuosly have stated you were stationed in the Middle East & Iraq.
    Wow, you’ve created quite a FAKE life for yourself behind your computer.
    Reading about your FAKE… uhhh I mean PRETEND….uhhh I mean interesting life…..it’s like playing a game of “Where’s Waldo”.
    Ok, I’ll go ahead and play your silly game!!
    Here’s some other FAKE…uhhh I mean other interesting things you can say you’ve done when PRETENDING…uhhh I mean LYING…about your identity on other blogs…..
    A. Weapons Insepector for IAEA
    B. UN Ambassador / Speaks 9 different languages fluently.
    C. City Council Member / Mayor of local town
    D. Spy Novelist / You WERE actually a Spy and have inside knowledge of all the inner workings of the CIA and all counter intelligence agencies throughout the world.
    E. Internet Entrepreneur where you made Hundreds of Million of Dollars
    F. Scientist / Inventor with many Patents
    G. Famous Philanthropist who stays incognito
    Hope these help!!! Let me know if you need some more???
    Gee…with such a busy exciting life WHERE do you get the time to communicate with us simple less exciting people ???
    Your a nut job!! See ya Waldo….uhh I mean Deb or whover you are today…WACKO!!!!

  212. Fed Up With Fools says: Jan 21, 2010 2:42 PM

    Seeryer,
    When have you seen women being yelled at while entering abortion clinics? You ignored my first hand witness at what occurs. There is no yelling. The only yelling I have seen in front of clinics were from drive-by slatterns yelling out their windows-F—y—!!! to the prayerful gathering of which are teens and children present. Maybe you are one that feels more comfortable with THAT behavior.
    Chances are, you watch too much TV and saw abortion clinic scenes on an episode of your favorite drama shows. Taking into consideration the “way” of Hollywood and their connection to the culture of death, one can see why they would like to present the good side as evil. It is quite likely you are confused about reality vs TV land drama.
    You said you “feel” that the abortion protesters are motivated to pray there in order to show hate? Hate to whom? If you say we hate the mothers…we would do as you do and encourage them to kill their babies, harm their future fertility, make them mentally/emotionally scarred and risk
    ruining their lives. The people there, I included, REALLY believe that abortion is killing a human baby. We really believe that having an abortion kills the “souls” of all involved. While you obviously disagree with what we believe, it is very dishonest for you to claim you believe we are there for HATE. You cannot be that lacking of the capabilities of processing information and that ignorant of the human response.
    Why don’t you swing by an abortion clinic on a Saturday afternoon in any city and see for yourself what goes on there. Do you really want to disabuse yourself of the lies you cling to, though?
    Knowledge requires responsibility. Cowards run from knowledge because they do not want to change their life. Yes, sin can be fun, but it won’t make you happy.
    You most certain DID put a cost on pro-life opinions, yet you will not hold yourself to the same standards.
    The reason you will not go “line to line” with me is because you are incapable.
    How am I not surprised that you do not believe in the One True God? How unfortunate for you. He believes in you, however, and He will continue to court you, as it were, until you are ready to give up the defenses you cling to, in order to prove to you His Divine Love.

  213. Fed Up With Fools says: Jan 21, 2010 2:56 PM

    Yes, dear, I would have gone with the latter claim to “cancer data expert”. Although, better, it still doesn’t qualify, unless you want to mention what books…and what medical research organization.
    Because the nature of the controversial opinion in the Tebow commercial IS a pro-life message, this discussion naturally evolved to the heart of the matter: abortion. I remain highly convinced you can follow that connection.
    As for whether or not I qualify to hold an opinion on the “controversial ad” let us commence. I’m a football fan. Check. I used to be able to watch the Superbowl and loved every minute of it. Check. We will get TVo so we can begin watching again. Check. I like Tebow for so many reasons and I am pro-life. Check. I am a citizen in a Constitutional Republic. Check. (umm, I knew I’d throw you on this one. We don’t have a Democracy here in the USA. IT’s a Republic.)
    Voila’ I qualify for an opinion.
    Now to the heart of your question:No I have never come to CFT before. I saw a link to this article and clicked on it, because of Tebow’s name and having read so much about his life previously & wondered how in the world people could object to his mother choosing life for him.

  214. Deb says: Jan 21, 2010 6:04 PM

    @Fed Up With Fools …
    If you will go back to my original post, you will see that I said I am a cancer survivor well-versed in cancer data. In the last post, I said again that while being a cancer survivor does not, as you pointed out, automatically make one well-versed in cancer data, being a writer/editor who has written books for a medical research organization does. As NO TIME did I say I was a “cancer data expert.” I am not. I merely contend that I am a writer/editor with a lot of expertise in reviewing medical research–certainly as much as you have, dear. I’m sorry–did you provide your credentials, I mean, beyond being an activist?
    As for naming the organization, I am also a professional. It would not be appropriate for me to spit out the names of my clients on a blog site. As I said, they CONTRACTED me to write the books–meaning that I do not own the rights to them, although my name is in the credits. Had I felt that it was appropriate to name them, I would have done so in the first post. And the fact that my name is in the credits of the books, is irrelevant since I have no intention of giving up my anonymity.
    I have nothing to prove here, Fed Up. I merely stated that your data on abortions and cancer has no scientific validity. You assumed I formed my opinion from reading some Planned Parenthood pamphlet just as you’ve assumed my views on abortion. I’ve never read a Planned Parenthood pamphlet in my life. I formed my opinion from researching the data. You provided links to propagandist sites that support your assertions. I can’t provide people links to my data because it’s not compiled in one place–at least I didn’t get it from one place. Maybe if they search, they’ll find it in one place. But people reading this site are adults. They are free to visit your sites and then to discuss the matter with their doctors and make up their own minds.
    I certainly didn’t say you don’t qualify for an opinion nor that you shouldn’t have posted. I simply wanted to know if you’re a regular CFT reader or if you routinely search the Internet on this subject. As I said, it was curiosity–more about how there came to be 200+ posts here than anything else.
    Thanks, that’s all I wanted to know.

  215. Gatorfan1 says: Jan 21, 2010 6:52 PM

    John,
    I hope you do not censor my comments. They are valid and should be left up to the reader’s to decide.
    Gatorfan1

  216. Tinselburn says: Jan 21, 2010 10:03 PM

    As was pointed out somewhere in the misty memories of the before times this is, in fact, a website devoted to college football. So the only solution must be to let the BCS, in all its solomon-esque wisdom, decide who is right. I mean no one ever disagrees with their decisions do they?

  217. Deb says: Jan 22, 2010 10:56 AM

    @Gatorfan1 …
    Until this thread, you and I had only two interactions. In the first, you entered a football discussion by insulting everyone there, including me. Others gave you even more grief than I did. But for the most part, everyone was clowning around.
    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/01/dunlaps-dad-says-son-not-likely-to-play-in-title-game/
    In the second, from 12/27, you said you were a cancer survivor, and I revealed that I am as well. You called me a liar. Yes, I’d characterize what followed as a verbal evisceration by a troubled person. Until this thread, I have not responded to anything you’ve written since.
    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/27/meyer-to-coach-in-the-sugar-bowl/
    The following unanswered posts–plus the personal attacks on this page–indicate the escalating hostility you’ve directed toward me:
    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/02/meyers-guts-talking-yet-again/
    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/04/colt-takes-a-lil-jab-at-stoops-saban/
    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/05/gators-facing-even-more-attrition/
    I’d hoped my refusal to respond to all posts from you would get across that we are not having an ongoing discourse as you keep implying. The things I’ve supposedly said and done to you, such as trying to run you off the blog, are imaginary. I have done nothing to warrant your continued attention other than dislike Urban Meyer, which is my prerogative. Please attempt to gain a healthier and more realistic perspective. And please leave me alone.

  218. SpankMonkey says: Jan 24, 2010 11:09 AM

    Yea, Gatorfan1 is a total head case. Seems to suffer from little man or little penis syndrom … hiding behind his keyboard give him some sort powerful feeling lacking in his real life. The personal attacks make him feel like a big man. Go away little man … go away.

  219. edgy1957 says: Jan 25, 2010 7:53 PM

    CBS urged to drop Tebow ad: http://www.boards.edgy-sports.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2459&p=5522#p5522

  220. mr.kush says: Jan 26, 2010 10:30 PM

    abortions are neccessary so that we wont end up with annoying guidos on shows like “jersey shore”

  221. Seeryer says: Jan 28, 2010 5:26 PM

    Im with Spankmonkey on this one.

  222. quentincosta says: Jan 5, 2011 1:28 PM

    I am with Snoop Dog on this one…ha ha ha

  223. gotta keep my mouth shut says: Jan 13, 2011 11:42 AM

    #223!!

  224. boomerbelle says: Jan 14, 2011 11:29 PM

    This is last year’s story. I don’t know how it popped back up, but I’ll bite. My contribution is for everyone, but more for pro-lifers. I am a successful professional woman by anyone’s standards and my boys are grown. Both were strong candidates for abortion according to the comments posted here and everything I was told when I was pregnant. My first was born 3 days before my 15th birthday when abortion was only legal in New York. My father offered to fly me to New York for an abortion. My second was born ten years later under horrible personal circumstances for me. Both circumstances were equally hard and nearly every person I knew thought I should have an abortion. The psychological pressure was intense. Too young, too poor, impossible to rear a child and provide for it. Today my first has two degrees and holds a professional position in the Northwest, is married, successful and happy. My second is serving in the military and is a graduate engineer from one of the three military academies. I will not be more specific than this to protect my own privacy and that of my children. I do not sit in judgement of others, in fact my heart goes out to women with their hard personal trials. I am just saying to those of you that may think that an unborn child in similar circumstances would be better aborted than born, I am a real life example of a different outcome.

  225. boomerbelle says: Jan 16, 2011 2:51 PM

    Actually, my two sons are the real life examples of a different outcome. We three experienced abject poverty. It was hard on them and it was very hard on me, so I want everyone to know that this is not a rosey picture I am painting. However, it IS up to the mother as to what type of example she is to her children and how DETERMINED she is to nuture and provide. The point is, abortion was NOT the better choice for my boys and I have been greatly blessed and rewarded for my effort.

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