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Kiffins continue to give single-digit salute to NCAA rules?

During Lane Kiffin‘s don’t-blink-you’ll-miss-it tenure at Tennessee, he and his staff were hit with six secondary recruiting violations.

Within his first ten days of taking over at Southern Cal, and proving the old axiom that haste makes waste, Kiffin had allegedly committed his first secondary violation as head coach of the Trojans.

Now comes word that his father may have pooped all over the recruiting rule book as well.

While there were no specifics given, a Georgia Florida high school athletic director has accused Monte Kiffin of not exactly playing by the rules when it comes to recruiting potential commitments.

Frostproof High School cornerback Nickell Robey was on Tennessee’s radar when the Kiffins were in Knoxville, and remains there after their move to the West Coast.  Robey has a visit to USC scheduled for next weekend, although it sounds like the Trojans coaching staff already knows Robey well.  

Perhaps too well according to the school’s AD, Charles Loveless.

“He’s not answering phone calls or returning messages right now,” Loveless said of Robey. “He had a visit from West Virginia this morning to follow up on his visit up there. Skip Holtz [the new South Florida coach] was here last week and is trying to get him to come down there. He’s planning to visit Southern Cal next week. Monte Kiffin has been very persistent. He’s probably been in here more than is legal. Of course they don’t pay attention to the rules.”

(Writer’s note: Does Mr. Loveless realize he said those last three sentences out loud?  To a reporter, on the record?)

Given the situation at USC, what with the investigations and all, we would tend to think that the NCAA would pay attention to said school allegedly skirting their way around recruiting guidelines.

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29 Responses to “Kiffins continue to give single-digit salute to NCAA rules?”
  1. xacvol says: Jan 26, 2010 2:45 PM

    uh, its SC and the Kiffins…of course the rules dont apply to them.

  2. TB3 says: Jan 26, 2010 3:13 PM

    Sounds like a coach that is just upset about the way things went down.

  3. Doctor Bull says: Jan 26, 2010 3:13 PM

    fyi, Robey is indeed from Frostproof High School, but it is not in GA. It is in Polk County, FL.

  4. tinshaker says: Jan 26, 2010 3:23 PM

    Is this Nickell Robey going to play Nickell Corner? a-hahaha-a-hahaha-uhhhh….
    Wow, reading that interview was a bit embarrassing. That AD should not be allowed to talk to the media. And for the record, he said USF/Holtz was on the phone everyday…he didn’t say as much about Kiffin. I don’t know the exact rules, but I thought they were allowed to contact a player every 24 hours but not for longer than a certain amount of time?

  5. darlingknight27 says: Jan 26, 2010 3:57 PM

    In the end, the NCAA is proving to be a paper tiger for the powerful programs, and a beast to programs in decline.

  6. Josh says: Jan 26, 2010 4:22 PM

    Wow talk about the pot calling the kettle black. John Taylor, everybody knows the last three sentences by Loveless are as unprofessional and fickle as your sleeze journalism.

  7. moreflagsmorefun says: Jan 26, 2010 4:25 PM


  8. BrownsTown says: Jan 26, 2010 4:46 PM

    Why would the Kiffins stop if the NCAA continually looks away while paying lip service to recruiting integrity?

  9. Samuel L. Bronkowitz says: Jan 26, 2010 6:22 PM

    NCAA is a bureaucratic joke…
    …and UT should be glad Kiffin’s gone. They will be better off in the long run.

  10. xacvol says: Jan 26, 2010 7:05 PM

    perfectly said.

  11. ParkerFly says: Jan 26, 2010 7:44 PM

    One thing about Kiffin, and I’m not defending the guy at all, but I am gonna say this…he committed 6 secondary violations last year at UT. The national average among 1-A schools was 9. So he’s below average. I just wanted to point that out. The media makes him out to be lawless, and he may be, but at least not with the secondary violations.

  12. gator_prof says: Jan 26, 2010 9:55 PM

    Re: “The national average among 1-A schools was 9. ”
    Can you please provide a citation?

  13. ParkerFly says: Jan 26, 2010 10:41 PM

    gator_prof, if I can find the article I gladly will.

  14. xacvol says: Jan 26, 2010 11:24 PM

    Its also not that he had the violations, he was mad at UT for self reporting some of them…Its like he takes a “well, if I dont get caught, there was no violation” approach to recruiting…

  15. Hail2ThaRedskins says: Jan 27, 2010 8:31 AM

    gator-prof, i dont have the article but i remember reading that Kiffen’s secondary violations at Tenn were below the norm. Secondary violations are a dime a dozen at just about every school. Secondary violations don’t draw any severe penalties from the NCAA and usually no media attention as well. The only reason Kiffen’s secondary violations were focused on by the media is because of his very public attacks on Meyer and other antics to draw attention to the program. When you draw attention to yourself, you bring a bigger magnifying glass for both the good deeds and bad deeds.

  16. Arizona Buckeye says: Jan 27, 2010 9:52 AM

    Yep – I can see how the NCAA (yawn) is really putting the screws (yawn) toward Kiffin and USC with all of these tough secondary (yawn) violations… what is the penalty for these infractions… getting a written note from the NCAA saying please stop? Perhaps if you take away a scholarship for each one – then you might get some attention and corrective behavior… otherwise, you’re putting us all to sleep with these things

  17. Booner says: Jan 27, 2010 1:19 PM

    I believe Parkerfly pulled those numbers out of his ass so it’s going to be hard to find a citation for that.

  18. ParkerFly says: Jan 27, 2010 5:14 PM

    Booner, those are factual numbers, luckily Hail2ThaRedskins seems to have also read the article. I did find an article from Bruce Feldman on that stated most college programs average around a dozen per year, but I’m sure you’d never believe that either.

  19. ParkerFly says: Jan 27, 2010 5:33 PM

    Booner and gator_prof, you’re in luck. Here is the article.
    Pulled from the article:
    “In 2008, the NCAA received 2972 self-reported secondary violations from 331 member schools. Thats is an average of nine secondary violations per school.”

  20. brdcstr says: Jan 27, 2010 6:00 PM

    John, you may be the most unprofessional writer I’ve come across in nearly 3 decades of sports broadcasting. You appear to have an ax to grind, which shouldn’t preclude you from doing your homework if you ever expect to be taken seriously.
    You first claimed that a “Florida high school athletic director has accused Monte Kiffin of not exactly playing by the rules when it comes to recruiting potential commitments.”
    Wrong, John.
    Later on, when you quoted him, he stated :”Monte Kiffin has been very persistent. He’s PROBABLY been in here more than is legal. Of course they don’t pay attention to the rules.”
    Sounds to me like the AD “probably” doesn’t know how often Monte is able to be there.
    A “Real Journalist,” John, would have researched what the NCAA bylaws state on visits by recruiters, and quantified how many visits Monte has made before publishing someones opinion as fact.
    Of course, since no one will confuse you as a real journalist, most will overlook your amateur approach to journalism…as long as the ax you have to grind is used to cut Kiffin down at every opportunity.
    By the way, John. I’ve laid this challenge out to every Vol fan on 2 message boards, without 1 taker. Perhaps you’d care to take me up on it.
    $100 goes to the first person who can provide PROOF that Kiffin violated an NCAA rule by having a limo pick up a recruit.
    Interesting that nothing more than an accusation from the bitter boys at VolChat is all the proof you need to declare that it’s a violation.
    In this day and age of cell phone cameras, isn’t it peculiar that not picture exists of this limo? Not one person will affix their name to these allegations?
    Just VolChat…like they don’t have a reason to fabricate the truth.
    You hicks are hilariously pathetic.

  21. brdcstr says: Jan 27, 2010 6:17 PM

    Looks to me like your program has been averaging OVER 11 violations per year since 2000 (112 violations, to be exact.)
    I see that a Suckeye fan is also chiming in. Of course, Ohio State led the NCAA is cheating logging an incredible 375 violations since 2000, while Florida has “only” had 112.
    It appears to me that Kiffin has some catching up to do in order to catch your programs.
    “Since 2000, Ohio State has reported to the NCAA more than 375 violations — the most of any of the 69 Football Bowl Subdivision schools that provided documents to The Dispatch through public-records requests. Most infractions were minor — a coach called a recruit too many times, for example. Others, however, left athletes benched, fined or at least embarrassed.”
    “About 4,000 violations a year are reported to the NCAA, many of them unknown to the public because of FERPA. But one thing is certain: Ohio State has more than most. Florida, for example, reported 112 violations since 2000, and Oklahoma reported 224.”

  22. John Taylor says: Jan 27, 2010 6:22 PM

    @ brdcstr: And you hide behind an ambiguous and anonymous screen name while calling someone in another post a “Suckeye fan”. Yeah, nice professionalism. Pot, meet kettle.
    Thanks for contributing, though.

  23. gator_prof says: Jan 27, 2010 10:31 PM

    ParkerFly and brdcstr
    Thanks for the info.
    The average is for entire athletic programs.
    The numbers quoted in that article for UF are the sum total of 17 sporting programs.
    Kiffy’s numbers are just for football and are very high.

  24. ParkerFly says: Jan 27, 2010 11:06 PM

    gator_prof, they’re not really that high. Georgia’s football program reported 6 last year. Washington’s AD said their football program generally has 5-6. There’s numerous articles talking about how common they are, it’s just that no one knows about them.
    Again I’m not defending Kiffin, have no use for him, but I think he was just stupid enough to draw all the attention to his. It he hadn’t been so flagrant no one would have ever known about them most likely.

  25. brdcstr says: Jan 27, 2010 11:10 PM

    @John Taylor
    Is it dodgeball season in your neck of the woods, John? I see you deflected the point being made. After all, YOU’RE the alleged ‘journalist’ here.
    Care to address your lack of research and due diligence before levying allegations of a violation?
    How about this: Why not educate your readers by pointing to the bylaw Kiffin allegedly violated…or is an uninformed AD’s flippant comment enough to satisfy your standards for fair, accurate, and decent reporting?
    After all, anyone can be a smear merchant, as you’ve so deftly proven here. How about scooping everyone else and providing some facts to serve with your dirt?

  26. brdcstr says: Jan 28, 2010 4:20 AM

    @gator_prof & John Taylor
    “At least one football-related secondary violation gets re­ported to the SEC every week. The NCAA enforcement staff generally believes that if a school doesn’t report a mod­est number of secondary vio­lations, it probably isn’t doing a good job of compliance en­forcement.”
    The NCAA defines a secondary violation as one that “is isolated or inadvertent in nature, provides or is in­tended to provide only a min­imal recruiting, competitive or other advantage, and does not include any significant re­cruiting inducement or extra benefit.”
    Let’s watch John Taylor spin this one…or bury this fact beneath his next Kiffin hit job.
    If this guy is actually getting paid to vent, er, ‘write’ this garbage…that completely explains why NBC is on the verge of bankruptcy.

  27. John Taylor says: Jan 28, 2010 11:08 AM

    @brdcstr: I’m not going to get involved in a public pissing match with a supposed 30-year broadcast professional who hides behind a keyboard and a screen name. Bait all you want, but it’s not going to happen. Sorry.
    Have a nice day.

  28. gator_prof says: Jan 28, 2010 10:18 PM

    Agreed, discreetness is not a Kiffy trait.

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