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Gator recruit: 'I know we'll have 2-3' titles

Until a signing-day surge by Southern Cal, Florida’s 2010 recruiting class was widely hailed as the best in the country.  In fact, it was being argued that it was the most talented class — on paper — in the history of the game.

Even given the Trojans’ surge, most of the major recruiting services — with the exception of Rivals.com — gave the nod to the Gator group.

It remains to be seen how the paper champions will perform on the field.  If you ask one member of the class, however, you should expect great things — and a lot of bling — if you’re a member of Gator Nation.

Speaking to the Orlando Sentinel, defensive end Lynden Trail went Nostradamus (Nostradumbass?) when asked what he sees in the future for his class.

I know we’ll bring at least 2-3 national championships,” Trail said.

“I just feel like we have so much special talent at every position. And we’re all going to make sure to work hard. This group is determined to make a difference.”

Ah, the hubris of youth.

Given the emergence of Alabama as the dominant program in the nation — at least for the time being — Mr. Trail might want to focus on winning the SEC before setting the bar for his class at BcS crystal.

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  1. Dbuck says: Feb 9, 2010 10:51 AM

    Typical gator.

  2. gator_prof says: Feb 9, 2010 11:04 AM

    Since when do we pay much attention to what a 17-18 yr old kid has to say?
    I don’t know if there is a “dominant program” in the nation. Gators were the year before. Bama was last year. Who knows who it will be next year. A lot has to do with how the new starters perform.
    Bama and the Gators are loaded talent wise, but both will have a lot of new guys starting on both sides of the ball.

  3. deucez2 says: Feb 9, 2010 11:05 AM

    Guess he forgot about the learning curve for freshman transitioning to a faster college game and the new starting QB taking some lumps. Ahhh…. the ignorance of youth.

  4. BrownsTown says: Feb 9, 2010 11:18 AM

    I’d say that’s a realistic possibility if they can win their one-game schedule (SEC Championship). At least ‘Bama has been playing some quality schools OOC.
    Out of conference schedule:
    2010:
    Miami (OH)
    USF
    Appalachian St
    FSU
    2011:
    FL Atlantic
    UAB
    Furman
    FSU

  5. ReefCup says: Feb 9, 2010 11:18 AM

    I love how all of sudden Alabama is the new dominant team. They had a great year, no doubt, but unless you are USC one title does not make a dynasty.

  6. Wrathchild says: Feb 9, 2010 11:18 AM

    LOL…sure…

  7. Jagdbaer says: Feb 9, 2010 12:19 PM

    The way it is now, the SEC will have at least one of it’s teams in the BCS championship game for the for the next couple of years.
    On the flipside- SoCal players have to think, “we hope that probation doesn’t last more that 2-3 years.”

  8. overratedgators says: Feb 9, 2010 12:30 PM

    Let’s see … cocky, overconfident, full of arrogant bravado …
    … Yep, he’s a Gator all right.

  9. Gators56 says: Feb 9, 2010 1:31 PM

    Rivals standings are a joke – they take only the top 20 in the class, and then apply some wacky math. It rates a subset of a whole, and then can actually penalize a team that signs more than 20, by lowering their star ranking.
    Furthermore, they count people like Henderson – who although he commited to USC- has chosen not to sign a Letter of Intent. Right now it appears that he will not be going to USC.
    All you can say now is that the accuracy and usefulness of Rivals football rankings for each schools recruiting class is wrong.

  10. gator_prof says: Feb 9, 2010 1:44 PM

    Re: “SEC will have at least one of it’s teams in the BCS championship game”
    Sure, why should things change, the SEC has won the past 4 and 5 of the last 7 and is 6-0 in the BCS title game.
    BrownsTown:
    The complete schedule is tough enough….@ Bama, (#1 team), LSU (#12) team (week after Bama), @ FSU (UR, but beat #16 WVU in bowl), @ UT (they will be better this year if simply from subtraction), UGA and USCa aren’t roll overs either.
    The simple fact of going to Bama and then playing LSU at home a week later is brutal enough.
    I guess it is tough for a Big 10 person to understand that the SEC is actually a very difficult conference year in and year out. This is why the last 4 national champs have been from the SEC. Survival is difficult, period.

  11. Ben says: Feb 9, 2010 1:46 PM

    No more Charlie Strong!!! Get ready Urban you gonna have to out score people…and too bad the QB you wanted to replace Tebow signed with UGA….look it up and remember the name Aaron Murray…and here’s something to ponder…most of these 5 star guys USC signed are receivers and tight ends??? that don’t translate into success…got to have the big boys up front, both sides of the ball…recruiting is not about 5 or 4 star recruits…its about filling your needs and most important of all……scouting! the nfl is mostly made of 2 and 3 star recruits, very few of these 4/5 guys pan out…

  12. Deb says: Feb 9, 2010 1:50 PM

    Aw come on, guys …
    If you were a kid who saw Seattle Slew win the Triple Crown in ’77 followed by Affirmed in ’78, you wouldn’t realize the monumental odds against any horse winning the Triple Crown.
    He’s a kid. He saw the Gators win two titles in three years and come close to contending for a third. He doesn’t realize the odds against winning 2-3 titles while he’s at Florida. Apparently he also doesn’t understand the extraordinary role Tim Tebow played in Florida’s success. But I don’t think he was being cocky. He said they’re talented–which is true. But he also said they’re determined and plan to work hard. Sounds to me like he’s naive but otherwise has the perfect attitude for a young recruit.
    ReefCup … No one said Alabama is a dynasty. But the reigning National Champs would have to be considered the current dominant team in the SEC.
    Roll Tide!

  13. Gatorfan1 says: Feb 9, 2010 2:40 PM

    @Ben
    Rather confused by your post. I’m not sure what USC’s recruitment of all wide receivers has to do with Florida. You are correct however that it doesn’t matter what kind of skill players you have, without the lines on both sides you will not win.
    In Florida’s case they return 4-5 offensive starters and are well stocked on that side. On the defensive side they return all 4 Defensive Tackes and 1 player Justin Trattou who has played both and will more than likely play D-end, in effect giving Florida 3-4 returning defensive lineman.
    And of course, may have just signed the greatest defensive class in recruiting history. So They’re OK there.
    Concerning Murray, I live in Tampa and we are all aware how good he CAN be. However, he was never really on Florida’s radar screen – why? Because at the time of his recruitment Florida had Tebow in his Sophmore year with Cameron Newton & John Brantley already on campus.
    Sorry to let you down….I’ll take a 4 – year Junior who was The National Player of the Year over a true Sophmore everytime….you seem to have your facts skewed on how badly the Gators pursued Murray.

  14. Cubano says: Feb 9, 2010 2:48 PM

    (Nostradumbass?) LOL, nice one JT!

  15. vixzilla says: Feb 9, 2010 4:13 PM

    This is the Gamecox year baby!!!

  16. BrownsTown says: Feb 9, 2010 4:40 PM

    gatorprof,
    Yet again an SEC fan claims conference superiority, yet the SEC has a .500 record vs. the Big Ten over the last several years. Sure, they beat OSU 2x for the national title, but we’re talking the conference as a whole, the top third of each in particular. It’s easy to hide behind “conference superiority” claims when you play just a handful of meaningful games every year.
    Also, do you really think the SEC teams would have beaten some of the USC squads of the past few years? If it weren’t for the de facto automatic bids handed to the SEC, those teams would have never been in a position to win the crown. The CBS hype machine comes in handy, eh? If two teams are ever tied, you know the tie-breakers is going to the SEC. A playoff would be the worst thing to happen to the south since General Sherman and educational system rankings. See Utah’s thumping of ‘Bama in the Sugar as exhibit A.
    Wow, .500 vs. the Big Ten over the last seven years. I know you’re from the south and all, but even you have to admit that doesn’t really support your claim.
    2010 (1-1)
    Penn St over LSU
    Auburn over NW
    2009 (1-1)
    Iowa over S. Car
    Georgia over MSU
    2008 (1-2)
    Tenn over Wisc
    Mich over UF
    LSU over OSU
    2007 (2-1)
    PSU over Tenn
    Wisc over Ark
    UF over OSU
    2006 (1-1)
    UF over Iowa
    Wisc over Auburn
    2005 (2-1)
    Minn over ‘Bama
    UGA over Wisc
    Iowa over LSU
    2004 (1-2)
    Aub over Wisc
    Iowa over UF
    UGA over Purdue

  17. njgator100 says: Feb 9, 2010 4:47 PM

    The main point is still the same.
    There’s the SEC ……. and then there’s everybody else.

  18. Seeryer says: Feb 9, 2010 5:24 PM

    John Taylor,
    “In fact, it was being argued that it was the most talented class — on paper — in the history of the game.”
    Whoever argues that is simply being lazy. Maybe that lazy person could argue this Gator class is the most talented class –in the history of the Rivals.com age. Seriously, go look at Miami’s roster from like 1998 to 2002 and tell me again this is the greatest class in the history of college football. That is just one school and one era. I am sure we can find other schools from the same era with recruits everyone wanted but the internet was not in everyone’s house and office and CFT was not even around. the instant media has made everything seem better and more important but it really does not make it so. Mark Ingram was ranked 189 in the country and the #17 RB. He had a bigger impact on the 2009 season than any player in the country. I wonder if Chris Rainey was a higher rated player by Rivals? Who would you rather have carrying the ball for you? Rainey was ranked 89 in the country.

  19. hrmlss says: Feb 9, 2010 5:50 PM

    Hell I think Iowa has a better chance over the next 4 years to do that, so they have to get by the Hawks 1st!

  20. Tha Hamburger says: Feb 9, 2010 5:56 PM

    Well…the “I want to be a huge douche and make stupid statements to the media” torch has officially been handed over…I wonder if it was hard for Tebow to let it go?

  21. gator_prof says: Feb 9, 2010 5:57 PM

    BrownsTown:
    Sorry, but winning secondary bowl games don’t equal superiority.
    I do think, however, that BCS titles…you know, the last 4 in a row…do matter. I also think that BCS domination matters.
    Just so everyone can look it up….
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_Championship_Series
    BCS title game: SEC is 6-0, Big 10 is 1-2
    Head to head in the title game: SEC wins 2-0
    The SEC has had 4 different teams win national titles. The Big 10 has had one.
    BCS bowl record: SEC is 14-5, Big Ten is 10-11.
    Nice try, but since the advent of the BCS system, the SEC has been, is, and will continue to be the dominant conference in college football.

  22. interested says: Feb 9, 2010 9:06 PM

    I must admit, I have to give the SEC their props. For those of you who are SEC bashers, evidently they have also pulled the wool over the eyes of the NFL folks. Lets see, here are some facts. Not opinions, facts, do with them as you will if you indulge in reality versus partisan irrationality.
    Conference with most players in NFL: SEC
    Most All Americans over the last 50 years:SEC
    Most National Champions All Time: SEC
    Highest Out of Conference Winning %: SEC
    Most All Time Bowl Wins: SEC
    For you SEC bashers, what meaningful statistic would you like to offer in rebuttal?

  23. overratedgators says: Feb 10, 2010 12:28 AM

    Gator_prof:
    “Secondary bowls don’t count”?
    Dear god. You can’t be serious.
    One minute you argue that the SEC is utterly dominant over the Big 10. When confronted with statistics based on honest to god, head-to-head matchups between the two leagues, you choose to ignore the ones you don’t like, because they’re “secondary” games?
    A head-to-head matchup is a head-to-head matchup. If the SEC were so truly dominant, across the board, that the conference season was truly “like a title game every week” as those “ESS EEE SEE” chanters like to say … if the conference was really so much top-to-bottom better than the Big 10 … they would have one every single game. What are you suggesting – that the SEC teams didn’t play as hard because they were only in “secondary” bowls?
    No. Clearly, you’re selectively ignoring the statistics you don’t like. Sorry, but it doesn’t work that way.

  24. GoCanes says: Feb 10, 2010 1:57 AM

    hrmlss says:
    February 9, 2010 5:50 PM ET
    Hell I think Iowa has a better chance over the next 4 years to do that, so they have to get by the Hawks 1st!
    ————————————————-
    This is how you can tell when you’ve had one too many hits of meth.

  25. gator_prof says: Feb 10, 2010 7:26 AM

    overratedgators,
    I am not ignoring stats. I am just pointing out that BCS bowls, national title games, etc. matter more than secondary bowl games or anything else.
    When you look at secondary bowl games, motivation may or may not be there. Motivation is always high for title games and tends to be high for BCS bowl games in general. You also tend to get more even match ups for that given year.
    The bottom line is that the SEC has dominated the BCS system.

  26. gator_prof says: Feb 10, 2010 9:49 AM

    A little bit more information about head to head BCS games…
    SEC is 3-1 with the lone loss being Bama vs. UMich in OT.

  27. Seeryer says: Feb 10, 2010 2:36 PM

    @ Gator-Prof,
    The Wolverines had a QB no one had ever heard of. A guy by the name of Brady I think. He threw for like 450 yards it seemed.

  28. Deb says: Feb 10, 2010 3:50 PM

    @Seeryer …
    My brother was at that game. He said he was holding his breath from the minute Brady came into the NFL. He knew the Patriots’ fortunes were about to change LOL

  29. BrownsTown says: Feb 10, 2010 4:51 PM

    [good thing this in the "Most Commented" section, so I can find it]
    gator_prof,
    I didn’t begrudge the 2-0, nor will I attempt to do so.
    But your response is pure spin. Further, I’d love to see the southern teams come up north in late Oct or Nov. I’d like to see what happens when the SEC athletes meet up with the B10 football players on a slick track.
    Hey, kudos to Bama and PSU for getting it started next year. OSU plays Tenn in a few years as well. Hopefully there will be more H2H matchups and this can be settled on the field and not in the comments section of a website. Until then, you’ll need stats to back up “Best Conference” claims. “Best Conference” and “Best Team” are too very distinct things.

  30. Seeryer says: Feb 10, 2010 5:21 PM

    Shaun Alexander and Freddie Milons stopped by my house on the way to MIAMI for the game. I left Bama after the ’98 season and they win the SEC title in ’99. By the way, I left becasue of Dubose. He was fired in 2000 after being ranked #3 in the preseason and they went 3-8. He is now coaching DL at Memphis.

  31. Deb says: Feb 10, 2010 8:02 PM

    @Seeryer …
    Did you get to play for Stallings at all or was it just Dubose? I was happy when they hired him, but he sure turned out a disappointment in the end. Lot of issues. It’s horrible you missed playing in that championship game! We were in Tuscaloosa that night. My brother got married that day and the rest of the family watched the game in the hotel. Some of my cousins are Auburn fans. The best man is a Florida fan. We had a blast. Did you regret leaving?

  32. hrudey says: Feb 10, 2010 11:52 PM

    As far as the original story, I wouldn’t say Alabama is the dominant “program” in the nation yet — they were the dominant team this season, and I have no reason to expect they’ll be a non-contender any time soon. But it’s just as likely we’ll see Florida and Alabama bashing each other over the heads the next several seasons and neither establishing the type of dynasty that would merit the hyperbole.

  33. gator_prof says: Feb 10, 2010 11:58 PM

    BrownsTown:
    If the SEC isn’t the best conference consistently producing the best football team in the country. How do you explain 3 different SEC teams winning national titles in the past 3 years?
    Please note that SEC teams like LSU and UF each have more BCS titles than any other conference.
    Yes, the only way that the Big 10 can hope to compete with SEC teams is via bad weather as they cannot match up via athleticism and skill.

  34. BrownsTown says: Feb 11, 2010 9:11 AM

    gator_prof,
    “Yes, the only way that the Big 10 can hope to compete with SEC teams is via bad weather as they cannot match up via athleticism and skill.”
    Hmm, once again you forget the .500 record vs. the Big Ten. Oh, that’s right, one game (PSU-LSU) involved some rain and therefore defaulted the game to involve football skill instead of running around like race horses.
    Can Florida ever play anyone worth a lick OOC? Look at ‘Bama. Played VT this year and has PSU next year. I guess that’s why they’re the future of the conference.

  35. Deb says: Feb 11, 2010 12:25 PM

    @BrownsTown …
    I’m curious … does the Big 10 routinely go out of its way to play teams in other conferences?

  36. gator_prof says: Feb 11, 2010 4:49 PM

    The last time UF played a Big Ten team they humiliated OSU. That was a historic beat down. I guess that doesn’t count.

  37. BrownsTown says: Feb 11, 2010 5:01 PM

    Deb,
    Sure, here are the 2009 matchups vs. BCS conferences (+ ND) w/ final AP rankings in ():
    Ill: Mizzou, UCincy (8)
    Indiana: Virginia
    Iowa: Iowa St, Arizona
    Michigan: ND
    Michigan St: ND, CMU (MAC, but #22)
    Minnesota: Syracuse, Cal
    Northwestern: Syracuse
    OSU: USC (22), ND (oh, wait, ND won’t schedule OSU anymore)
    PSU: Syracuse
    Purdue: Oregon (11), ND
    Wisc: none
    I’ll give you that the Syracuse and UVA matchups were pretty worthless, but the other programs were bowl eligible, even if one, unnamed school big-leagued the Little Caesar’s Bowl.
    Now, let’s see the SEC:
    Bama: VT (10)
    Ark: Texas A&M
    Auburn: WVU (25)
    UF: FSU
    UGA: Ok St, Arizona St
    Kentucky: Louisville
    LSU: Washington
    Ole Miss: none
    MSU: Georgia Tech (13)
    S Car: NC St, Clemson (24)
    Tenn: UCLA
    Vandy: Georgia Tech (13)
    GT was a good game x2 and I already gave credit for VT.
    Next year, PSU has Bama, Minnesota plays USC, OSU plays Miami with a few other lesser matchups mixed in.
    On a similar note, apparently Northwestern plays Vandy next year (academic bowl?). There will be a two-game SEC vs. Big Ten series in the regular season. Maybe if they split that too, I can hear more about the dominance of the SEC.

  38. BrownsTown says: Feb 11, 2010 5:04 PM

    gator_prof,
    When did I deny that? It was a beat down, no doubt. I guess when I said OOC, I meant NOT in the bowls. That’s usually how it works. Remember, this topic came up because I’m mocking UF’s one game schedule before their bowl game. How about this…..
    “Can Florida ever play anyone worth a lick in September?”
    Better?

  39. Gatorfan1 says: Feb 11, 2010 6:19 PM

    @BrownsTown
    Florida plays Tennessee the 3rd week in September every year.
    For about 15 years that was usually a game that pitted 2 top #5 teams with the winner almost assured of winning the East conference which in essence made it a 1-game playoff!!!
    Not our fault their program fell off.
    Better????

  40. gator_prof says: Feb 11, 2010 8:30 PM

    @BrownsTown
    In addition to playing UT, they also play a SEC west team….Bama, LSU, Auburn…on the last Saturday in Sept or the first Saturday in Oct.
    Is playing 3 teams that have won BCS national titles in September or very early October good enough for you? You don’t even have 3 teams that have won BCS titles in the Big Ten.
    It is very amusing how the big ten fans attempt to question the superiority of the SEC. Yes, you are correct, strip away all of the national titles. Strip away all of the BCS bowl wins. Once you do this, the SEC is on par with the little ten.

  41. Deb says: Feb 11, 2010 10:12 PM

    @BrownsTown …
    Thanks–okay, now what am I missing?
    The 12 SEC teams played 13 out-of-conference games, 5 against opponents ranked in the top 25.
    The 11 Big 10 teams played 15 out-of-conference games, 3 against opponents ranked in the top 25.
    Four SEC teams finished in the top 25, and four Big 10 teams finished in the top 25.
    So where are you getting that your schedules are so much more difficult than ours? It seems pretty even.
    I’m the first to admit, I don’t follow college ball–other than Alabama–that closely. So I don’t really know how schedules are set. I get the impression coaches have a lot of input because I’ve heard Nick pressed to play Penn State. The lack of interplay between SEC and Big 10 teams–why do you assume that’s on the SEC and not on the Big 10? Isn’t it just as likely that the Big 10 teams don’t want to play the SEC?
    Why won’t Notre Dame play Ohio State?

  42. BrownsTown says: Feb 12, 2010 10:32 AM

    gator_prof,
    The rest of the nation acknowledges USC as the 2004 national champ, so it’s Bama, LSU and UF. Talk about revisionist history. That was back before CBS ramped up the hype machine to gain a de facto automatic bid for the SEC champ.
    Big Ten vs SEC…. .500
    No amount of spin can change that, but you will obviously continue to try. Good luck with that. You’d better hope Obama can’t get his playoff implemented.

  43. BrownsTown says: Feb 12, 2010 10:41 AM

    Deb,
    Sure, I’ll grant you that. However, it really dents the Big Ten schedule that ND hasn’t been the top 10 program for the last few years. Same as it does with FSU, but ND plays multiple games vs. Big Ten teams, so the impact is greater.
    I guess I tend to view the Big Ten through a Buckeye lens. While OSU has been playing Texas, USC and Miami (10-11), I don’t think PSU and UM have been holding up their end of the bargain. College football needs to address the trend of cupcake OOC scheduling. I understand one or two, but every big-time program needs to have one or two marquee match ups against a legit program. The lack of these games needs to start being penalized in the rankings. The voters should reward the quality of wins rather than the quantity of wins.
    As far as who is to blame, I can’t answer that, but there are more and more games coming up. OSU has a home-and-home with Tennessee in a few years. I hope this trend continues. I’d love to see a basketball-style conference “tournament” where all of the teams (less the extra SEC teams) match up over a single weekend.
    Regarding ND and OSU scheduling, I don’t know why ND won’t play OSU. Maybe it’s the OSU winning streak and the fear that further losing will damage the recruiting done at Ohio’s parochial schools.

  44. Deb says: Feb 12, 2010 1:02 PM

    @BrownsTown …
    I agree about cupcake scheduling, and of course, I favor a tournament system over the BCS. But the NCAA is going to do whatever gets the NCAA more money. College football is bigger in the South than pro–I’m very much in the minority among my friends in preferring pro ball. But with the pros, when it’s all said and done, there’s one team standing. The other teams can whine all they want, but they had their chance and there’s one team standing. College needs that kind of simplicity.

  45. gator_prof says: Feb 12, 2010 4:39 PM

    BrownsTown:
    LSU, UT, and Bama have won BCS titles…I wasn’t counting Auburn, although they got screwed.
    Whatever, console yourself with what ever makes you feel better. Most folks will side with the proven SEC dominance of the BCS bowls and titles. Whatever makes you happy.

  46. JD says: Feb 22, 2010 4:41 PM

    Isn’t it funny how people that are fans of other conferences, always find the need to try to defend their conference vs the SEC? If the SEC wasn’t the staunch form of competition you other fans believe it to be, why do you keep coming on these sites and argue about it? Do you go onto articles/sites talking about Conference USA (or any other conference) and do the same? And ya before you go off about it’s somehow our fault that you came here to argue, fact is, last four national champions have been out of the SEC. Do we not have a right to boast? I mean really, what in the world else does the SEC have to do to prove that it is, what it already is, The Conference to Beat. Oh by the way Brown, you forgot that UGA also plays GT…. Which a down-and-out UGA team Stomped a NC-hopeful-GT team last season. Far as I see it, last season the SEC were the following champions;
    ACC Champions (GT and Clemson going down to SEC teams)
    Big-12 Champions (Texas getting smacked around by Bama)
    SEC Champions (funny I know, but it still says a lot)
    National Championship Champions (self-explanatory)
    Also, Gator fans, look out for UGA next season, we have just as much talent, a whole new look for the defense, and our offense has no where to go but up, even with a rookie QB. Will be a hell of a game fellas. I look forward to it.

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