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Gators' success doesn't translate to NFL

While most of the draft talk surrounding the Florida Gators is contained to a certain Jesus-loving, Heisman-winning quarterback, worries of success at the NFL level should hardly be levied solely on Mr. Tebow.

Most likely as a response to the grief Texas players take for under-performing in the NFL, the Houston Chronicle‘s Lance Zierlein took at look at all the Florida Gators drafted by NFL teams since 2001. The results are pretty surprising.

To a man, nearly every pick (save maybe Alex Brown of the Bears) since 2001 out of Gainesville has been disappointing, up until Percy Harvin stopped the bleeding this season. The list of first and second round picks that amounted to nothing has been pretty staggering:

Gerard Warren, Kenyatta Walker, Lito Sheppard, Jabar Gaffney, Mike Pearson, Reche Caldwell, Rex Grossman, Taylor Jacobs, Ben Troupe, Keiwan Ratliff, Chad Jackson, Jarvis Moss, Reggie Nelson, Derrick Harvey, and Percy Harvin.

Other than Harvin, only Lito Sheppard has appeared in the Pro Bowl, and his play could be characterized as up and down. Everyone else on that list has underperformed. That’s not exactly the best track record when talking about important draft picks from one school.

As guys like Joe Haden and Carlos Dunlap project to be taken in the first round — even with major question marks surrounding both — you’ve got to wonder if NFL scouts will take a look at the track record of the Gators that came before them.

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  1. rolltide says: Mar 3, 2010 6:38 PM

    Percy Harvin has amounted to nothing? Up and down play? He was offensive rookie of the year!

  2. Bech72 says: Mar 3, 2010 7:03 PM

    Forgot Andre Caldwell who has been up and down for Cincinnati. This is going to be a make or break year for him.

  3. Deb says: Mar 3, 2010 7:06 PM

    Not a Gator fan, but Zierlein’s article would have more meaning for me with a little context. How do Florida’s recruits stack up against Alabama’s, LSU’s, Tennessee’s–or Ohio State’s?
    As for the Gator on my Steelers’ roster, no one will mistake offensive tackle Max Starks for an OVERperformer. But he has two Super Bowl rings, and he’s still set to start next season six years after coming out. Not bad for a third-rounder. Maybe our new o-line coach will help him step it up.
    BTW, Zierlein’s comment that making All Pro means more to him than making the Pro Bowl may be the biggest DUH! line any sports reporter’s ever written.

  4. Jeff says: Mar 3, 2010 7:10 PM

    ESPN is not going to like all the bad press their beloved Gators are getting. Somehow this is Lane Kiffin’s fault.

  5. Deb says: Mar 3, 2010 7:22 PM

    @rolltide …
    He said “other than Harvin.” The up and down comment was about Lito Sheppard.

  6. buck_u_pack_haterz says: Mar 3, 2010 9:11 PM

    Jeff……your an idiot
    Maybe Florida players do not always turn out in the NFL, UNC basketball players don’t always turn out in the NBA either.
    The question is do they win championships?

  7. overratedgators says: Mar 3, 2010 9:48 PM

    Now, Deb … you know they don’t teach reading comprehension in the “ESS EEE SEE”.

  8. RealTalk says: Mar 3, 2010 10:27 PM

    I don’t know about the other positions as much, but the qb’s from UF have always sucked. Can anyone name a winning NFL qb from Florida?
    @ buvk_u_pack_haterz:
    I think you mean “you’re” an idiot; the contraction that combines you and are, as opposed to giving Jeff ownership of “idiot”.
    Secondly, are you comparing the UF football program to the storied UNC basketball program? THAT is idiotic!

  9. Bleach Guzzler says: Mar 4, 2010 3:57 AM

    @buck_u_pack_haterz: Your commentary will only be worthwhile when you can differentiate between “your” and “you’re.” Until that time comes, try not to make too much of a spectacle of yourself.

  10. 78Lion says: Mar 4, 2010 6:21 AM

    Rolltide, reading comprehension not an Alabama trait?

  11. KingGator13 says: Mar 4, 2010 7:08 AM

    This should tell you how good of a coach Urban Meyer really is at the college level…he’s winning (2 SEC titles, 2 NC’s) with guys that don’t make it at the next level as stars or even everydown players. Last year was pretty good though – Harvin and Murphy were the two top rookie WR’s. Go Gators!!

  12. Pier588 says: Mar 4, 2010 7:12 AM

    Arnold – you could expand this and cover more teams – like your Cryin Irish.
    The only recent high pick I can think of out of ND is Brady Quinn and he’s wearing the “bust” tag. The Bucs have lame ole Maurice Stovall from ND, I’m sure there are more but none come to mind.
    This would be really interesting done in a school by school and conference by conference format showing where everyone shakes out instead of just the lame a$$ Gators and all others question marks.
    I curious if USF in Tampa has a better showing in the pros that the Gators.

  13. Jeff says: Mar 4, 2010 8:30 AM

    Buck U;
    Way to deflect the criticism of the Gators on to UNC basketball. The article was not questioning the Gators ability to win championships it was questioning their ability to produce NFL players. The fact is the Gators are overhyped. Tebow’s play has gotten worse each year he played at Florida. He was incredible as a sophomore even though they didn’t get the results on the field. He was not worthy of being at the Heisman ceremony this year. OH and I live in Florida and plenty of my Gator buddies agree with that statement.
    Oh an while the SEC has not disappointed in the BCS championship games it doesn’t hurt your odds of winning a BCS championship when you get a free pass to the game. That being said Bama was lucky McCoy went down or its Utah all over again.

  14. BrownsTown says: Mar 4, 2010 8:42 AM

    Look at all of the SEC fans banding together. Always humorous.
    Ohio State? You be the judge. Some hits, some misses. This is a good site to see other schools as well.
    http://www.drafthistory.com/colleges/o.html#Ohio%20State

  15. BrownsTown says: Mar 4, 2010 8:45 AM

    KingGator13 ,
    No, it shows that UF recruits athletes as opposed to football players. Once you get to the NFL, running really fast will only get you so far. Plus, you actually have to play games north of the Mason Dixon Line.

  16. KingGator13 says: Mar 4, 2010 9:35 AM

    BrownsTown,
    Who’s any good north of the Mason Dixon Line? Ohio State? (How’d that work out for them in BCS games??) I’ll give you the Big 12 and the PAC 1… but up north?? REALLY?? Notre Dame? Mich?
    Florida’s goal is to win college games- which it does quite often. It’s up to the players and NFL coaches to win/produce in the NFL.
    “Once you get to the NFL, running really fast will only get you so far.” (i.e. Troy Smith and Ted Ginn??)
    Regards,
    KingGator13

  17. hrudey says: Mar 4, 2010 10:12 AM

    Or you could also look at it as both of the guys that were drafted from UF that Urban recruited were successful in the NFL, and so these other guys will be too.
    But, sure, NFL scouts are going to put aside everything they see in tape and on person because Florida players haven’t been all that in the NFL. I mean, after all, we know all about the curse of Florida WRs — only an idiot would take Harvin or Louis Murphy (or Caldwell, who hasn’t been bad for the Bungles). ;)

  18. DIPSET1275 says: Mar 4, 2010 10:35 AM

    TEXAS JUST IS NOT ON THE SAME LEVEL AS FLORIDA WHEN IT COMES TO TALENT. I REALLY THINK FLORIDA. WHY DID HE FORGET TO PUT IN MAX STARKS WHO HAS WON A SUPERBOWL WITH PITTSBURG?

  19. Jeff says: Mar 4, 2010 10:49 AM

    King Gator,
    I am not a Ohio State fan but its hard to call Troy Smith a bust when he was a 5th round draft pick. I will give you Tedd Ginn hasnt panned out.
    The facts are the facts the Gators dont produce NFL type talent. There is nothing wrong with that, but its a fact.

  20. BrownsTown says: Mar 4, 2010 11:03 AM

    KG,
    Ginn is a model of an SEC player. He’s a track guy that also plays football. Kind of shows my point. Good in college, spotty in the NFL.
    OSU’s BCS bowl record is 5-3. Not bad, the two championship losses notwithstanding.
    Who’s any good? I WOULD say Michigan beating UF was pretty good, but that would make me like an SEC fan. I hate Michigan and I don’t have a regional inferiority complex that makes me band together with other conference schools, so I won’t toss that out for consideration.
    But remember, we’re talking about football players going pro. In which case, UF is lacking in recent success.

  21. BrownsTown says: Mar 4, 2010 11:05 AM

    Anybody who actually looked at Texas’ picks would never even question the comparison…. for even a second.
    http://www.drafthistory.com/colleges/t.html#Texas

  22. Meldryn says: Mar 4, 2010 11:36 AM

    Hey it sounds like a good recruiting pitch to me… Come to Florida win a NC ring or two get drafted high and retire by 26 with more money than most see in a life time.

  23. edgy1957 says: Mar 4, 2010 11:44 AM

    I think that the big thing here is that this should reflect on the players and not the school. Like it or not, being at the school got them the chance to go to the highest level and it it’s up to them as to whether they succeed or not. Duke has a long history of failure for its NBA players and yet, Coach K is still considered a damn good coach and people send their kids there just like they did when Indiana had Bobby Knight, who didn’t exactly set the world on fire with his NBA players.
    I’m not a fan of Florida but the fact is that they give these players the opportunity to showcase their talents and it’s up to them to succeed. It’s no different than someone getting a degree from MIT and then pissing it away on drugs and alcohol; was it MIT’s fault that the guy turned out to be a turd – I think not.

  24. tampalawyer2 says: Mar 4, 2010 11:54 AM

    Ironically, I am both a Gator fan and a Duke basketball fan [having attended both]. I get the same thing about Duke players in the NBA that I am reading here as to Gators in the NFL. One thing to keep in mind is that this article only appears to address players drafted in the 1st or 2d rounds. On that basis, other than Harvin and Alex Brown, I guess you have a point. However, I have also read and was surprised that UF has the most active NFL players of UF, UM and FSU. So, this means that Gators that were drafted in the 3d round or lower or who were undrafted FA’s have done pretty well actually. As to Jeff, are you saying that Alabama didn’t deserve to be in the BCS championship game last year? Whether you think UF deserved it at the time, UF was #1 and Bama [gulp] throttled the Gators. Who did Texas play in the Big-12 game? Nebraska? And only won because a bonehead mistake by All-Universe QB McCoy of throwing the ball high out of bounds didn’t come back to cost them and they had one second to kick a FG. You can’t say McCoy going down was that big a factor unless you’ll concede that when Ingram sat out a quarter it evened the odds. Further, the freshman QB who came in for Texas did a pretty good job. Anyways, that’s why we love coming here, isn’t it?

  25. Jeff says: Mar 4, 2010 2:36 PM

    Tampa Lawyer,
    Are you realy going to compare a running back to a qb? Wow, Colt McCoy had more wins in his carrer than anyone in D1 football history. Did you watch the game? When MCCoy went out Texas went ultra concervative. UT’s defense was dominating Bama.
    I am not saying Bama didnt deserve the win I am just saying I think Texas beats them with McCoy. I also think until there is a playoff its all BS.
    I know Gator fans are not going to want to hear this but this years team was overated. Last years team was very good but without Harvin the offense just wasnt scary. Go ahead and did up all the offensive numbers you want but Outside of Bama and LSU (who as no offense at all) Florida didnt play anyone with any defense.
    I also state that for all the praise UF and Bama got for their defense this year. Texas D looked the best.

  26. Jeff says: Mar 4, 2010 2:49 PM

    Tampa Lawyer,
    Are you realy going to compare a running back to a qb? Wow, Colt McCoy had more wins in his carrer than anyone in D1 football history. Did you watch the game? When MCCoy went out Texas went ultra concervative. UT’s defense was dominating Bama.
    I am not saying Bama didnt deserve the win I am just saying I think Texas beats them with McCoy. I also think until there is a playoff its all BS.
    I know Gator fans are not going to want to hear this but this years team was overated. Last years team was very good but without Harvin the offense just wasnt scary. Go ahead and did up all the offensive numbers you want but Outside of Bama and LSU (who as no offense at all) Florida didnt play anyone with any defense.
    I also state that for all the praise UF and Bama got for their defense this year. Texas D looked the best.

  27. Deb says: Mar 4, 2010 2:59 PM

    Goodness, so much to address!
    @DIPSET1275 … Please stop screaming. Click the link to Zierlein’s article. He includes Starks.
    KingGator13 says:
    “This should tell you how good of a coach Urban Meyer really is at the college level…he’s winning with guys that don’t make it at the next level”
    —————–
    Cracking up! Best Gator-homer comeback ever!
    @Jeff … You really aren’t playing with a full deck, are you? So you watched the SEC Championship and National Championship and concluded that if McCoy hadn’t left, it would have been Utah again? Then you’re a fool.
    The real National Championship took place in Atlanta with then #2 Bama soundly beating #1 Florida. The season should have ended with Bama as National Champ and Florida at #2. If there had been any justice in the Nebraska game, Texas wouldn’t have been in Pasadena. That said, I don’t know when I’ve had more respect for a college player than for Gilbert. Alabama changed game plans after McCoy’s exit because Saban isn’t a “run up the score” guy. But the outcome would have been the same either way. Personally, I think the better QB was in the game and that will be evident as both McCoy and Gilbert’s careers continue.
    @edgy1957 … Great point about MIT.
    @BrownsTown … You keep talking about playing in the snow, but that’s irrelevant, isn’t it? The SEC has an excellent record playing against Big 10 teams in weather-neutral venues where teams are judged solely on performance. It’s nice that your teams can play in bad weather. What ails them in good weather?

  28. Jeff says: Mar 4, 2010 3:35 PM

    King Gator,
    UT was dominating Bama on defense and driving pretty easily on offense when he got hurt granted it was only one drive. UT had the best defense and offense that Bama faced all year. Your a fool if think differently. Yes Bama looked just as stunned this year by UT as they did last year by Utah.
    Step outside of the SEC circle jerk and be honest with yourself.

  29. Jeff says: Mar 4, 2010 4:12 PM

    King Gator,
    Oh and come on you show your ignorance a freshman Gilbert is better than a 4 year starter who has more wins than any qb in D1 history?
    Gilbert may turn out to be better than McCoy but right now he isnt close. You just lost all credibility

  30. BrownsTown says: Mar 4, 2010 4:30 PM

    Deb,
    No Deb, it’s not irrelevant. These players eventually aspire to play on the next level and unfortunately that includes in stadiums with third world field conditions (cough…Steelers…cough….cough). Athletes vs. football players. That’s the dichotomy.
    There you go with the SEC-B10 record claim. Just curious, what is the bowl H2H record again? Just go with the predictable “2-0 in the championship game” since we all know you’ll duck the obvious answer (which is .500).

  31. BrownsTown says: Mar 4, 2010 4:31 PM

    Jeff,
    “Step outside of the SEC circle jerk and be honest with yourself.”
    Do you expect that to happen? You must not know SEC fans very well.

  32. Jeff says: Mar 4, 2010 4:36 PM

    Sorry King Gator, my comments were for Deb.

  33. Deb says: Mar 4, 2010 4:57 PM

    Jeff, honey, my name is Deb, not King Gator. Try to stop drinking long enough to know who you’re addressing.
    Yes, it was only one drive–and that about covers that.
    No, baby, Texas did not have the best offense and defense Bama faced all year. That would be Florida, which had the NUMBER ONE offense and defense in the NATION at the time Bama beat them in the SEC Championship.
    No, Bama didn’t look stunned. That would be McCoy as he sat after the hit–still holding the ball that miraculously never came loose despite the supposedly, um, devastatingly injurious hit. If anyone writes a dictionary of football slang, they will put a photo of his expression at that moment next to the phrase “He heard the footsteps.”
    I am always honest with myself. I’m not the one trying to pretend Texas won an imaginary championship.
    Yes, McCoy had more records, more experience, and at that moment, more skill. Gilbert had more courage and more heart. To me, that made Gilbert the better QB. By the time freshman Gilbert is a senior, I think his superiority at the position will be evident. And McCoy’s NFL career will be over.
    I’m not worried about what you think of my credibility given that you can’t even figure out my name.

  34. Deb says: Mar 4, 2010 5:12 PM

    Heeeyyy, BrownsTown …
    Third-world conditions? ROFL Hey, the Mud Bowl is my favorite regular-season game in recent memory. Steelers 3, Dolphins 0 in the mud, the flood, and the beer. Does football get any better? Bama boy Deshea Townsend was playing for the Steelers that night, and Max Starks out of Florida, Hines Ward from Georgia, Willie Parker from UNC, Polamalu out of Southern Cal, Taylor from Louisiana/Lafayette, Big Casey Hampton from Texas, Farrior from Virginia.
    We had PLENTY of warm-weather players on the field and they held up just fine in the conditions.
    Besides, you act like it’s the South’s fault that the South is warmer than the North. What do you want from us, sugar? It is what it is. Playing in the SEC didn’t keep Namath from becoming a star in New York. Playing at Louisiana Tech didn’t keep Bradshaw from getting to four Super Bowls by way of the snow and sleet of Three Rivers. It didn’t keep John Hannah from being a standout in New England.
    Your argument about athletes v. football players has no merit … and you know it.

  35. tampalawyer2 says: Mar 4, 2010 6:20 PM

    @Jeff — I can live with saying the Gators were a little overrated and I agree that not having Harvin and Louis Murphy allowed opposing defenses to stack the box and limit Tebow’s options. I also think his concussion completely changed their offensive game planning — certainly in the first few games back. So to the extent that McCoy was key to Texas, a limited Tebow was as well. As to winning the most college games, that’s a non-stat. That depends on how stacked you are at QB. There was no way that Tebow would start as a freshman when Chris Leak was a senior. Look at it this way, Gilbert won’t have a chance at that record because he had to sit behind McCoy, but that doesn’t mean by his senior year that Gilbert will be a much better QB or not. As to the BCS game, although I know Deb will be up to the challenge in addressing this, I will also agree that Texas did move the ball on its first drive, but defenses adjust and Bama had a great defense and I think would have adjusted to McCoy. As a partisan SEC fan, I was surprised how well Texas played on defense given the Big 12’s usual lack thereof. As to the defenses the Gators faced, I thought Tennessee [which is going to have 2 members of its D drafted in the 1st round] played great D against UF and Bama. Otherwise, the SEC was a little down this year. Texas has no problem in the BCS rankings so I don’t know why a Texas fan would complain about how Texas is regarded. The kid Gilbert will be a star — he showed great poise coming into that game cold and played well.

  36. Jeff says: Mar 4, 2010 7:59 PM

    Deb,
    Florida’s offense may have been ranked number 1 at the time. But thats only because they roll big numbers against D2 schools.
    Your right Tebow didnt start 4 years so he couldnt have won more games than McCoy. But college football going back around 100years its pretty impressive that he had the most wins ever.
    I am not a Texas fan but I can see that McCoy was a stud QB. His completion % was around 70%. I am sure Gilbert will be a star but McCoy is a star right now.
    I live in Florida and have several friends who are Gator alum. They even admit the Gators were overated this year and the offense wasnt up to par.
    As for Tebow his numbers dropped off every year and he souldnt have been at the Heisman ceremony.
    Deb.. Please educate yourself.

  37. Jeff says: Mar 4, 2010 8:11 PM

    Tampa Lawyer,
    Good post I agree most everything you said. I enjoy talking to fans who are realistic and take off the homer glasses.

  38. brasho says: Mar 4, 2010 10:04 PM

    Everybody knows that Florida WRs have been abysmal in the pros. So far, Harvin has been good, one good rookie season does not make a career, however.
    This shows more than anything about the recruiting at Florida. FSU had the same thing going for the 90’s, they had great recruiting and crappy coaching. 90% of college football is about recruiting. It isn’t hard to excel in a sport as an individual when all the individuals around you are very good as well.
    Guys from Florida came in with so much hype and were so highly touted but they fail because they are playing with other great athletes… guys like Marcus Thomas, Earl Everett, and Chad Jackson did have good physical talent, but they played their entire college careers leaning solely on their physical talent while players from far worse football schools like UVa, were forced to work on the finer points of the game to be competitive and then they come out of school and make 10X better pros despite perhaps not having as much talent. It all comes down to coaching.

  39. Deb says: Mar 4, 2010 10:19 PM

    @Jeff …
    Wow. I’m also a native Floridian currently living in the state and count many Gator alum among my friends … none of which has anything to do with this discussion. What your limited circle of friends think of the Gators is irrelevant to the team’s rankings. So are your comparisons of Tebow and McCoy.
    It’s simple: You said Alabama had never faced an offense or defense comparable to the Longhorns’. Based on national rankings, that was inaccurate. Period. You may not like the rankings, but they were what they were. Nothing “homer” about it. Please educate yourself.
    Alabama is the reigning national champ. You may not like that, but it is what it is. Nothing “homer” about it. Please educate yourself.
    Bama’s QB played with broken ribs. Bama’s Heisman-winning running back was knocked out for a large chunk of the game. The team found a way to overcome. ALL teams suffer setbacks during a season. Championship teams–to borrow from television’s “Survivor”–“outwit, outplay, and outlast” the competition. If you don’t understand that, you don’t understand football. Please educate yourself.
    I have never particularly liked Tebow. But he has earned the “stud” moniker by playing through MANY injuries. McCoy once earned the nickname “Cart McCoy” for repeatedly being carried off the field with insignificant boo-boos. No matter how many records he holds, he will never be a stud. The NFL will educate you both.
    Would it have been a better game with McCoy? Probably. Would Texas have won? WE’LL NEVER KNOW. Texas wasn’t the only team that altered its trajectory. Saban isn’t a “run up the score” guy. The Bama offense didn’t play its most aggressive game, and we didn’t see the defensive schemes designed for McCoy. So WE’LL NEVER KNOW. But Gilbert played a heckuva no-excuses game. Hat’s off to his heart and courage.
    Funny, I also enjoy talking to fans who are realistic. Reality means dealing with life as it is instead of whining about how a defense was only highly ranked because it ran up scores and a team only won a championship because a player left a game. Sniff. Sniff. Do you need a tissue?

  40. dotbo says: Mar 4, 2010 10:22 PM

    Holy Shit there’s a lot of commenting going on on this post!
    Nebraska gets the same scrutiny. Heisman winners Mike Rozier and Eric Crouch were easily disappointing, but Ahman Green, Roger Criag and Tom Rathman had a lot of success.
    It depends on the player.

  41. josecanseco says: Mar 5, 2010 7:33 AM

    Oh snap someone call Robert E. Lee and Ulysses S. Grant and lets get it on.
    The stats don’t lie and it looks like the Gators seem to be falling flat in the pros. It does seem to be trending better lately but only time will tell.

  42. deepintheswamp2 says: Mar 5, 2010 8:12 AM

    Grossman led the Bears to a Super Bowl what else does the writer want from a player, a bj?

  43. John Taylor says: Mar 5, 2010 8:27 AM

    “Grossman led the Bears to a Super Bowl what else does the writer want from a player, a bj?”
    I don’t know exactly why, but that made me chuckle uncontrollably for a few seconds.
    Nice…

  44. BrownsTown says: Mar 5, 2010 9:19 AM

    Deb,
    Sorry, Deb. I wasn’t able to finish your reading your comment. I was too blinded by the front-running. Give me a few hours for the effects to dissipate a bit.
    What do you think? Can the Yanks repeat this year? Lakers?

  45. Deb says: Mar 5, 2010 1:19 PM

    Oh, BrownsTown, there you go again …
    The Tide is a birthright. Daddy was born in the hills of North Alabam. I was raised on the legend of Bear Bryant. My brother ran off to Tuscaloosa and married a Bama alum. It’s in the blood.
    Fell in love with the Steelers as a kid. Loved them the same when they went 5-11 as when they ran the table. Loved them when the Brownies beat them 51-0. Have yet to meet a man who can inspire the kind of “for better or worse” love from me that the Steelers have inspired LOL
    The fact that my teams happen to have the most championships and Super Bowls is just … serendipity.

  46. hrudey says: Mar 5, 2010 4:50 PM

    Deb: Florida’s offense was in no way ranked #1 when they played Alabama. (And, obviously, they certainly weren’t afterwards!). Besides, ‘bama did face an equivalent offense the year before in the SEC title game and acquitted themselves very well until the fourth quarter. Kind of like Olympic hockey, these Florida-Alabama games are absolutely the best of the best facing off, and everything else seems to pale in comparison.
    Jeff: Wins are a team stat. McCoy’s win total is huge because he plays on a good team, was a great college QB, and because the college season is much longer than it used to be. Shame he doesn’t have much of an NFL future, but if you ask some of the Gator fan friends of yours, we all still look back fondly on Danny Wuerffel, who really did nothing on the next level.
    In the interests of full disclosure, I have never received nor sought a bj from Rex Grossman. I am sure that, had I tried, he would have been happy to do so, but would invariably have ended up on some guy wearing a different color shirt.

  47. Deb says: Mar 5, 2010 6:46 PM

    @hrudey …
    Shush, I know that. But I’m sooo sick of people whining about the folding Cart that I got a lil over-enthusiastic ;-)
    ROFL at how Grossman would have wound up w/someone wearing a different color shirt. Cutler seems to suffer similar color-blindness. Although deepintheswamp2 shares the award with you for best lines of the thread, I’d dispute his belief that Grossman “led” the Bears to a Super Bowl. The leadership that year didn’t come from Grossman; it came from the Bears D.

  48. JD says: Mar 9, 2010 5:08 PM

    My my, bunch of rambles on here. Lots of people who hate the SEC too.
    When an SEC article is on its way,
    the SEC haters come out to play.
    First off, I must say all of you SEC haters are hilarious. Your team is in a more inferior conference, so you have to hate on the best one I guess (at least recently).
    As for the whole Texas vs Alabama deal, I’m not Alabama fan, but anyone with half a brain knew that Bama was going to control the game. Only reason that Texas “dominated on D” was the fact that Bama’s game plan changed to run-run-run-punt after putting up a big lead, and they did it for a good portion of the game. Goes back to the whole “Saban not putting up big numbers” thing.
    And for those of you who thought Texas had a decent D, we all know it was by default. Only reason Texas had a D was because of the “run defense”. Which of course is a default stat, being in a conference that doesn’t generally run the ball.
    As for all the SEC haters,
    SEC is 6-0 in NC games. What other conference can say that?
    SEC BCS game appearances, 14-5, win percentage 73.7%. What other conference can say that?
    SEC has the last 4 BCS national championships. What other conference can say that?
    So say what you want, doesn’t change the fact that the SEC is still The Conference to Beat.
    As for the Gators article, it’s like someone said before. It isn’t the Gator coaches responsibility to train the players for the NFL. Their purpose is to win college games, not prepare for the draft.

  49. gary420 says: Mar 22, 2010 9:41 PM

    The point of college football is to win the conference and win the national championship. It is not to produce NFL players. NFL players have freakish talent. Two or 3 or even 5 NFL caliber guys on a big time college program does not translate into NCAA victories. The fact that Urban Meyer and Steve Spurrier were able to do so well given their allegedly modest talent is a testimony to their coaching ability.
    In reality, a big time program playing in a big time conference may have between 25 and 45 guys ( or more) playing in most games. Each big time college team may have a two or 3 guys with pro potential. The real difference is the speed, strength, size, talent , and desire of the other 40 something guys on the team. Bama,Texas, and Florida (easily the best 3 teams last year) each had a handful of guys that may be impact players in the NFL. What made them so dominant was the other 40 something players on their rosters.
    Please take a week or two to understand the college game and the differences between college and the NFL before writing any more stupid articles.

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