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SEC realizes 'Horns, Sooners likely a pipedream

When it comes to the SEC and expansion, the conference has been largely and somewhat eerily quiet.

Certainly Texas A&M has been connected to the conference of late, but that seems to be more a case of the Aggies pursuing the SEC than vice versa.  There are two schools, though, that the SEC deems worthy of a pursuit.

In a conversation with ESPN.com‘s Mark Schlabach, an unnamed SEC athletic director admits what’s largely been assumed by those in the media — the conference would be interested in luring Texas and Oklahoma.  The unnamed AD admits that it’s not realistic to think they could land either school, especially top option UT.

Which brings us back, of course, to A&M.  Given the Dallas and Houston television markets the Aggies might bring to the SEC’s footprint, they would be given consideration.  But, not after it was determined they could actually deliver the TV goods and would add something to the conference.

“We’ve got to be diligent in evaluating this,” another SEC AD said. “We can’t just add teams who are going to split the pie without adding anything substantial to the pie.”

In another point of interest in Schlabach’s piece, the sources said raiding the ACC was not in the SEC’s plans.  Rumors have abounded that, if the Pac-10 and Big Ten move to 16 teams, the SEC would look to grab some combination of Miami, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech and Clemson to form their own 16-team league.

Of course, if the 16-team “super conference” becomes a reality, the SEC may take an entirely different view on the situation.  And on raiding the ACC.

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  1. Brat Favre says: Jun 12, 2010 6:01 PM

    Give your best educated guess JT: Where does Kansas end up?

  2. gator_prof says: Jun 12, 2010 6:22 PM

    Unlike the Big 10 and Pac 10, the SEC doesn’t have to do anything to improve its conference. The SEC is strong enough to stand pat.
    Bringing UT and OU into the Pac 10 will be painful for both. The travel burdens will suck big time when they have to play UW, WSU, OrU, and OrSU. From a football culture perspective, it makes ZERO sense for them to sign up for the land of wine and cheese. The pac 10 just isn’t a serious conference compared to the SEC. Geographically and culturally, it makes much more sense for OU and UT to go to the SEC. Now, if they want to downshift competition wise from the Big 12, then go west young men!

  3. John Taylor says: Jun 12, 2010 6:26 PM

    @ Brat Favre: I’ll take a guess and say Kansas ends up in the MWC if A&M goes to the Pac-10.
    Nice screen name, by the way. :-)

  4. McBomb says: Jun 12, 2010 6:42 PM

    Texas will not go to a conference with the low academic standards of the SEC. This has been documented many times before. Seriously, type it in Google. Both the Big Ten and Pac-10 are better fits for Texas than the SEC, just because you’re good at football doesn’t mean every football power should be in your conference. If you think academic standards don’t matter you don’t know how college presidents and alumni boards operate.

  5. TB3 says: Jun 12, 2010 6:50 PM

    JT thanks for finally putting out what I thought was a pipe dream by Gene Stallings in College Station. It seems he’s being kind of selfish in thinking,”well I don’t want to follow big brother “Texas” to the game this time.” If aTm goes to the SEC versus out West, with OU/UT and has a bad year that 77-0 (’03) beating could be a weekly occurrence.

  6. WingT says: Jun 12, 2010 7:42 PM

    It’s debatable whether Texas A&M can bring a large enough TV audience to offset the revenue sharing. The SEC probably can not renegotiate their current TV deal until it expires.
    The SEC might as well sit pat for the next few years unless they can get the Texas TV markets

  7. rolltide says: Jun 12, 2010 7:49 PM

    Texas wont go to any conference they don’t feel they could instantly dominate like they do their current one. The academics angle is a joke, conferences are arrangements for revenue sharing and TV contracts among sports, nothing more.

  8. gator_prof says: Jun 12, 2010 8:00 PM

    McBomb,
    I understand that UT doesn’t want the SEC for academic reasons, but the Big 12 didn’t work because of cultural, not academic, differences.
    I would think that UT would want to join a conference with an expanding, not contracting, population base. Going out to the left coast isn’t the answer in that case.
    One would think that $$$ would rule the day. I just can’t see folks in Texas getting excited about a TV package that includes Cal – Oregon State, etc. If you take away USCs corrupted run, the Pac 10 as hasn’t been much over the last decade.
    Regardless, the SEC will continue to rule football for the foreseeable future….best coaches, best players, how many national titles in a row?

  9. gooboy6 says: Jun 12, 2010 9:00 PM

    kansas ends up in big east, banging heads with the best hoops teams in the country

  10. JBx11 says: Jun 12, 2010 9:04 PM

    If I were Texas and Oklahoma, I wouldn’t want to be embarrassed by the SEC during the regular season instead of just the major bowl games. I understand…

  11. burntorangehorn says: Jun 13, 2010 9:42 AM

    gator_prof–the SEC makes zero sense for the University of Texas in the cultural sense. The collegiate culture there is much more similar to what I saw in Berkeley or Seattle than in Auburn or Gainesville. Austin and Colorado are almost like extensions of California. OU? Not really, and they’re really just along for the ride. OU would make a lot more sense in the SEC, as would TAMU.

  12. gator_prof says: Jun 13, 2010 1:43 PM

    burntorangehorn,
    There is a difference between collegiate culture and football culture. When I state ‘folks’, I am not talking about students, but what we refer to as the bullgators…the rich folks showing up each week in RVs who write large checks to the athletic association.
    Simply put, the folks in the pac 10 just don’t take their football as seriously as the folks in Texas or in the SEC.
    In the SEC and Texas, Friday night HS football can be watched on TV with highlight shows on Saturday morning…that just doesn’t happen in the land of Brie, Chardonnay, and tree-spiking.

  13. McBomb says: Jun 13, 2010 6:04 PM

    @gator_prof:
    However, the Big Ten fans do take football that seriously. Massolin High School Football in Ohio has better facilities than the Cincinnati Bengals mostly on private donations. I would say that the Big Ten is the best fit for Texas academically, on the research level, culturally, and even by time-zone, as several of the times are in central time zone just like Texas.
    The Pac-10 is impractical on the time zone level because games that start at 8 in primetime in Cal would be on at 10 in Texas. The Big Ten is by far the best destination for Texas.
    The only reason they’re choosing the Pac 10 is because the Big-Ten would not allow Oklahoma along for the ride most likely.
    I will agree with you though that SEC is currently ahead (the best) in football, but it would be foolhardy to assume that will last forever, especially if they take the attitude that the other conferences expanding won’t affect that. Conference expansion affects many things, including recruiting, and at one point or another almost every conference was on top. The SEC would be wise to expand itself.

  14. gator_prof says: Jun 13, 2010 7:00 PM

    McBomb,
    The Midwest loves football, period. From a business perspective, the Midwest is a rust belt of decreasing population. While it makes sense academically and time zone wise, it doesn’t make sense business wise. Decreasing population is directly related to decreasing TV revenue as well as soon to be decaying programs. Ohio State is the only really solid program right now. Who knows where PSU will be when Joe Pa hangs it up. UMich is a mess.
    The only conference that is currently boasting several top-shelf, stable programs is the SEC.
    The dominance of the SEC won’t last forever, but it is well positioned given the combination of the best coaches, excellent facilities, passionate and a large recruiting base, not to mention an increasing population.
    To summarize Slive, expansion only makes sense if the numerator grows in greater proportion to the denominator. The Texas schools make sense because of the Dallas FW TV market. We will see what happens in the coming days, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Big 12 survive with UT, TAM, OU and OSU all in place. I just don’t see the Pac 10 being that attractive to them. Nebraska and Colorado both left, but they are both well past their respective primes and never really bought into the Big 12 culture to begin with.

  15. max says: Jun 13, 2010 10:54 PM

    Scholastics? I dont get it.

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