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Pissy Pete returns, blasts USC's NCAA sanctions

The last time “Pissy” Pete Carroll made an appearance, the then-USC head coach was throwing a hissy fit over Mark Sanchez leaving collegiate eligibility on the table and making himself available for the 2009 NFL draft.

Well, that Pete has reared his head again and, well, he’s pissed.  Upset over the sanctions levied against his former football program months after he suddenly and unexpectedly found the NFL to be to his liking yet again.

Carroll, the new head coach of the Seattle Seahawks who will feel absolutely zero impact of the historic sanctions levied against his former program while in his current position, lashed out against the NCAA Tuesday for what he felt were heavy-handed and unfair sanctions against the Trojan football program he no longer coaches because he bolted months before the sanctions were handed down.

There’s nothing there,” Carroll said of the 478-year investigation into Reggie Bush accepting upwards of $300,000 in illegal benefits while the running back was a member of Carroll’s football program.

“Now the word’s out. You can do this. One person can do this, go after a university and a kid. And nothing has to be true. NOTHING has to be true. They just have to make claims, and then the investigations and all that are under way.

“I just hate the thought that that can take place and we can do nothing about it.”

I really hate to quibble with the coach, but “one person” did not “go after… a kid.”  It was more than one person that offered benefits “a kid” knew were illegal and “a kid” that more than willingly accepted them, based on the NCAA’s findings.  “A kid” was not coerced, strong-armed or made by gunpoint to accept what “a kid” knew were illicit offerings.  And could potentially lead to recriminations against a university “a kid” would go to his grave defending.

Good evening!  But I digress…

During his diatribe, Carroll went and did the impossible after spewing the above, pegging the “I’m a Complete and Total Tool” meter by proposing a grassroots campaign to eliminate nefarious outsiders from influencing college student-athletes.

“Unfortunately, it’s about awareness,” Carroll said. “This issue in particular is not like any of the other cases that’s come along. It is about one person in a community where a kid came from who decided to take advantage of his potential good fortune. And he found a way in to make that happen — outside of any of the university issues and setting and all that.

“They didn’t want anyone else to know. And we didn’t know.”

In late March of 2010, USC announced that they were banning athlete agents, marketing agents and financial advisors from attending/wandering the sidelines during Trojan practices/games.  That edict came down two months after Carroll decided to leave college football because he suddenly and unexpectedly found the NFL challenge more to his liking, and nine years after Carroll began fostering and encouraging that put-your-muddy-boots-on-our-coffee-table environment.

Bravo for abandoning that burning house, Pete Carroll.  Bravo.

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36 Responses to “Pissy Pete returns, blasts USC's NCAA sanctions”
  1. alfredb says: Jun 15, 2010 9:29 PM

    Sure the NCAA took a long time to complete their investigation, but I don’t think it took 478 years.

  2. John Taylor says: Jun 15, 2010 9:35 PM

    Of course not. Everybody knows college football wasn’t invented until 1697, I believe.

  3. gator_prof says: Jun 15, 2010 10:10 PM

    The NCAA took a long time to complete the investigation because USC sacrificed the basketball program and stonewalled for the football program.
    Pete has zero shame….zero.

  4. delfi2 says: Jun 15, 2010 10:22 PM

    Who cares! So we all find out that his ten year tenure was tainted, so what! glad the NCAA finally made the right decision to punish them severely. they deserve it, classless coach leading a classless school. ie, just check out the AD’s comments at their function after the ruling….’everyone is jealous of the program, thats why this happened’ SHUT YOUR MOUTHS, and take it like a champ boi’s!
    oh and by the way; P carroll had me going there for a moment after watching the OTL report on how he has helped the community in LA….yada, yada, yada…..same ol pete.

  5. NJTrojan says: Jun 15, 2010 10:49 PM

    amazing how all the posters here are blind and ignorant to the facts. Much like the NCAA infractions committee

  6. gator_prof says: Jun 15, 2010 11:02 PM

    I wonder if there is something in the water supply at USC…like lead. These guys seem to behave in a borderline retarded manner.
    First, USC offers up the basketball program as a sacrificial lamb hoping to appease the NCAA.
    Next, Bush completely stonewalls and maintains his innocence. When he is forced to take the stand, he abruptly settles for six figures and the USC folks expect no one to bat an eyelash? I suppose this the same crowd that though Michael Jackson wasn’t a child molester and just liked hanging out with kids.
    To top it all off, instead of being somewhat contrite in an effort to gain favor with the NCAA for a reasonable effort to clean up the program by hiring a squeaky clean coach, they double down dirty and hire a walking NCAA violation in Kiffin and his band of violators headed by Orgeron. Before they even get to CA, they are raising eyebrows as they use Vol phones to recruit kids for USC.
    The NCAA sees through all of this and hammers them.
    Instead of genuine remorse or even fake remorse for being caught, USC goes into what Bill Simmons would call the Tyson Zone, “The Tyson Zone is the status an athlete or celebrity reaches when his or her behavior becomes so outrageous that one would believe any story or anecdote about the person, no matter how shocking or bizarre”
    Garrett’s comments about USC envy, etc. after the NCAA slapped them with “lack of institutional control” had a strange effect on me. I didn’t know whether to laugh or feel sorry for him. Is he actually that stupid?
    Now Pissy Pete pops out of his gofer hole and chimes in? Are you kidding, after being offered much better jobs, you go to Seattle “all of a sudden” just before the NCAA slaps your program down?
    I imagine at some point the adults at USC will have to take charge and clean house. Is there any viable reason that Garrett still is employed? Why is Todd McNair still on the payroll?
    I am amazed at the combination of arrogance and stupidity. I actually feel sorry for the die hard Trojan fans. They deserve better.

  7. JaggedMark says: Jun 15, 2010 11:03 PM

    F. P. C.

  8. Brutus B Columbus Ohio says: Jun 15, 2010 11:12 PM

    Pete says that he didn’t know. I’m willing to concede tht he did’t know about the money. I am not willing to concede that he didn’t know how many coaches he had.

  9. grandavenue says: Jun 15, 2010 11:47 PM

    Pete suddenly taking a job at a team in shambles in SEATTLE is a definite indication this was no surprise to him.
    He just needs to shut up, we all know what happened.
    Much like Lebron driving a Hummer to high school, this happens everywhere.

  10. Arizona Buckeye says: Jun 16, 2010 12:43 AM

    @NJTrojan – yes, yes, yes… everybody but Trojan fans are wrong and only you know the real answer! Yep, that makes total sense. Nothing at all happened on campus the NCAA just randomly got up one morning and said let’s totally make sh!t up about USC so we can have some fun wrecking the entire school’s reputation, crush the souls of their fans, and steal victories away from them…. yep, that sounds totally logical

  11. Tha Hamburger says: Jun 16, 2010 7:50 AM

    Why do people who know they are totally full of crap keep talking? Look at that douche spank Mark McGwire, Floyd Landis, etc. When these pukes were wrong they kept bitching and publicly sobbing that they didn’t do anything wrong but we all knew they were full of it and hated them for it. Now that they’ve come out and admitted it, they look even dumber and still nobody has respect for them. This is a good way for Pete to lose the Seahawks right away, because those cats all know you can get paid in the college game pretty easily and probably aren’t impressed with their new coaching being full of crap.

  12. Pier588 says: Jun 16, 2010 8:26 AM

    NJ Trojan man – What’s amazing is “how Trojan Man fans are choosing to be blind and ignorant to the facts.”
    The only thing wrong in this equation is how long the NCAA infractions committee let them twist in the wind before making the eventual and well deserved back slam.

  13. BrownsTown says: Jun 16, 2010 8:58 AM

    Nothing like someone with “prof” in their name dropping the “retarded” line. Stay classy, UF.
    Moving along, Pete is a sociopath.

  14. SoFlaTrojan says: Jun 16, 2010 9:20 AM

    Here is a link to a story Heisman Pundit did about the NCAA report.
    Forget the title of the article but if you read it and watch te video you will see why SC fans are so upset.
    No one is denying that RB got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. People are upset because the NCAA is basing there case off the testimony of a felon who has been discredited by his own girlfriend.
    I have alot of respect for tOSU anf their fans but they should be the last ones calling out USC.

  15. WingT says: Jun 16, 2010 9:29 AM

    Seems that everytime Pete Carrol opens his mouth, a deeper hole is dug.
    Hey Pete, as a head coach of a NCAA football team , you have a responsibility to protect your players AND your institution from all the slimy parasites of the world, namely agents. If you choose to ” turn your head the other way” you are running a risk that these slimy scumbags can get to your players as well as one of YOUR assistant coaches. BTW, did you know that McNair was one of your coaches or did you turn your head the other way on that one as well.
    Goodbye from College football Pete – enjoy your brief stay in Seattle

  16. FratBoyXXX says: Jun 16, 2010 9:40 AM

    “There’s NOTHING there!!!”
    Really Pete? So when you let all these Sports Agents, Marketing Agents, and the Sharks in Armani suits roam your sidelines at practices, you were completely oblivious to what was happening? If you leave an 18 year old kid in a room filled with drug dealers, don’t be surprised if the kid turns into a Junkie. I’m guessing you just turned a blind-eye like Bud Selig did in 1998. If it was kept in the shadows and out of your sight, then why should you care.
    Then all of a sudden, out of the blue you decide to bolt for the NFL, after being bedazzled and swooped away by…..the Seahawks. Pete, you’re more full of shit then my Grandfather was when he couldn’t find his prunejuice. This latest charade of Bullshit is just a pathetic attempt on your part to save face after the program got slammed for things that happened on your watch.
    Everybody who keeps saying that Reggie Bush is being victimized in this whole thing needs to STFU!!! Yes the schools and the NCAA makes millions off the accomplishments and hard work of these kids. Yes these players should be payed something for what THEY DO.
    The Sytem, for lack of a better word is SHIT!!! It’s broke, and it needs a major renovation to say the least. These kids are extremely exploited. However, Reggie Bush KNOWINGLY DID SOMETHING WRONG AND GOT CAUGHT.
    In 2004 and 2005, he was the best player in all of College Football. However the guy did take thousands and thousands of dollars and benefits, which last I heard was against the rules. Sure schools and players are doing this all over the country; but it’s not cheating until you get caught. Happens everyday. If and when you do get caught, quit your whining. You obviously weren’t smart enough to get away with it, so Man Up and Shut Up.
    Bush and Carroll both need to shut their mouths, and quit crying like a couple of 5 year old girls that didn’t get their Hannah Montana DVD for Christmas. They’re both getting off extremely easy on this one. While they’re off in the NFL making millions of dollars, the current Trojans team is being punished for something that occurred while they were in high school.
    Carroll, you’re B.S. statement that you made is on the same horizontal plane as O.J. Simpson saying that he would not rest until he finds the real murderer. In fact, wasn’t O.J. a Trojan as well? There must something in the water over there at the University of Spoiled Children.

  17. sspatt says: Jun 16, 2010 11:02 AM

    These Trojan fans are absolutely delusional.
    Here’s the reason they got hit so hard:
    1. The NCAA requires that you self-report violations.
    2. USC did not report anything.
    3. NCAA interviewed the coaches, most importantly McNair, and they all denied having any knowledge of the violations.
    4. McNair explicitly denied knowing Lake and Michaels.
    5. Lloyd and Michaels produced a photograph of them with McNair…and the clincher….produced phone records showing that McNair called Lake at 1:34 in the morning when he was trying to find Reggie Bush.
    6. There were phone records of 4 other calls from McNair to Lake.
    This is why the NCAA took Lake’s word over McNair…actual phone records.
    USC got hammered because they didn’t self-report, and when questioned, flat out lied to the NCAA. The NCAA found proof, so why would they believe the coach.
    Why do you think they kept McNair on staff? They knew that if they fired him, he’d sing like a bird and give up the real dirt on the corruption within the program.

  18. WingT says: Jun 16, 2010 12:55 PM

    @sspatt and FratboyXXX
    Nice posts.
    Can a Trojan fan please try and discount the posts by these two guys? I can’t wait to hear it :)
    In the mean time, has the University President had any comment so far on any of this? Any quotes?

  19. NJTrojan says: Jun 16, 2010 1:14 PM

    i love how the ignorant fans from programs with dubious NCAA history and dealings can so matter of factly state USC’s guilt without so much as reading a page of testimony. But it doesn’t matter, you are all right. USC is guilty and global warming is going to kill us all within 20 years. Same style of conclusions from suspect information.

  20. WingT says: Jun 16, 2010 2:40 PM

    Well I guess you now fall into your own category of ” Programs with Dubious NCAA History”….ROTFLMAO

  21. BENITO says: Jun 16, 2010 2:45 PM

    flush all the used trojans down the toilet! there are phone records retards!!! no way to deny it!
    cheat on!

  22. BENITO says: Jun 16, 2010 3:07 PM
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  23. Trojanman says: Jun 16, 2010 3:19 PM

    So, Taylor seems to agree that USC didn’t know anything. Agents got to two players off campus trying to induce them into leaving early for the pros. How did this give USC a competitive advantage? Why wasn’t the NCAA able to show proof that USC knew anything?
    Pete is 100% right and 100% innocent.

  24. NJTrojan says: Jun 16, 2010 4:43 PM

    @WingT What do the phone records prove? You are making assumptions just like the NCAA

  25. WingT says: Jun 16, 2010 5:46 PM

    I’ll simply answer your question by copying what sspatt said above;
    4. McNair explicitly denied knowing Lake and Michaels.
    5. Lloyd and Michaels produced a photograph of them with McNair…and the clincher….produced phone records showing that McNair called Lake at 1:34 in the morning when he was trying to find Reggie Bush.
    6. There were phone records of 4 other calls from McNair to Lake.
    The phone records prove that McNair lied to the NCAA – thats what

  26. NJTrojan says: Jun 16, 2010 6:08 PM

    no it doesnt. Does a phone call mean you know someone? It does not. Does a photograph mean you know someone? It also does not. This is why i say READ THE TRANSCRIPTS! Lloyd Lake does not even indicate that he knows McNair.

  27. Gatorfan1 says: Jun 16, 2010 7:41 PM

    You’re kidding, right???

  28. NJTrojan says: Jun 16, 2010 11:00 PM

    no joke. read the transcripts

  29. NJTrojan says: Jun 17, 2010 12:22 AM

    in fact ill help u out a little bit since I know SEC people can’t read that well.
    A direct quote from the NCAA’s report:
    “Further, the assistant football coach knew or should have known that student-athlete 1 and agency partners A and B were engaged in violations that negatively affected student-athlete 1’s amateurism status.”
    So the NCAA is basically admitting that they aren’t even sure if McNair knew or not. They are simply saying “if he didn’t know, then he should have”, which is completely different than saying “he knew for sure.”
    So let’s go with option #2 that McNair “should have known.” If he only should have known, how can the NCAA claim McNair lied to them about not knowing? They already admitted there is the possibility that he actually didn’t know. If you delve into the transcripts further, you can see why the NCAA was unable to claim that McNair “knew”.

  30. BENITO says: Jun 18, 2010 9:54 AM

    njtrojan smokes crack!

  31. JDow says: Jun 22, 2010 11:47 AM

    I do believe USC does have to receive some form of punishment, but I think a school should only get the hammer, like USC did, if the money or gifts come from the institution or someone associated with the institution. These gifts came from a shady agent type, which is going on at all major college football programs, happened a few years back to Oklahoma, from a guy who was an alumnist, and OU didn’t get as harsh a penalty, and it is not just OU’s football look at all the shit going on with their bb program, will they receive the same kind of penalty, I would bet my life, NO.

  32. WingT says: Jun 23, 2010 10:14 PM

    The NCAA will never support that $$ paid to a student athlete is less OK if it comes from within the institution verses from outside the school.
    The NCAA says ” No $$ to a student athlete, period”.
    The NCAA says that it is the responsibility of the institution to see to it that the student athlete doesn’t receive $$ .
    If we look at the problem that the institutions have in regards to monitoring / preventing $$ to be paid, then I would submit that it is much easier for the school to prevent outside $$ ( from agents, etc) than it is to police the rogue boosters and rich alumni from passing along $$ to the kids. In other words, if a University allows agents to interact with their student athletes then they are demonstrating the highest form of ” lack of institutional control”.
    In the case of USC , not only was their outside interaction but they had an assistant ( inside) coach involved . In my opinion this represents the blatant lack of institutional control and USC should have been hammered.
    When the ruling came down my immediate thought was that USC was hit too hard. I felt like if there was ever a chance for some leniency to be awarded through the appeal process then USC would get some relief. BUT, I have to say that the only way USC will get relief is if the administration, Athletic Director, and coaches were to come clean and admit to the problems – this isn’t happening, actually, just the opposite. USC , at this pace, will not win any form of an appeal. And nor should they.

  33. ds32223 says: Jun 26, 2010 7:12 PM

    The response and arrogance from the USC staff only puts their reputation further in the gutter. It may have been possible to recover from the sanctions but the circus they are putting on now will forever live on.

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