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Montana says ‘no thanks’ to WAC, Div. 1-A jump

As the WAC is set to add two football schools to their depleted ranks, the one school they were really hoping to grab has decided to stay put.

In a release issued by the school, Montana announced that they will stay in the Big Sky Conference and not make the jump from Div. 1-AA* to Div. 1 -A” at any point in the foreseeable future.  The Grizzlies have been in the midst of a feasibility study in an effort to gauge what it would take to move up a level in football, and were expected to make a decision in the next few weeks.

An invitation from the WAC was reportedly Montana’s for the taking, but the school has apparently decided the status quo is the proper course for its very successful football program at this point in time.

“It was a complex issue with many pros and cons,” said UM president Royce Engstrom. “In the end, the better course is to stay with the conference we helped establish in 1963 and to continue building on its solid foundation. …

“At this time, FCS football presents the best overall fit for the University, it provides our student-athletes and fans with a great experience, and it is consistent with the strategic direction of the University.”

Engstrom said in the statement on the school’s official website that there were three principles that guided his decision.

First, he wanted to maintain the cross-state rivalry between UM and Montana State University-Bozeman, which he regards as essential to the state’s cultural fabric. The two institutions played their first college football rivalry game in 1897. Now nicknamed the Brawl of the Wild, it’s the fourth-oldest active rivalry in the FCS and the oldest west of the Mississippi.

Second, he wanted UM to compete with more mission-similar institutions. He said the recent addition of the University of North Dakota strengthened the Big Sky Conference in that regard.

Finally, he wanted to ensure that UM athletic teams can compete successfully and maintain the prestige and integrity the program has demonstrated over the years.

The Grizzlies have been to the playoffs — Playoffs?  What are these college football playoffs they speak of? — a Div. 1-AA-record 17 straight seasons, and would certainly have been a quality addition to a conference in desperate need of such additions.

And, speaking of desperate additions, it was announced Thursday that Texas State and the University of Texas at San Antonio will be the seventh and eighth football members of the WAC, which will become the latest in a long line of conferences to reshape themselves over the past century-plus.

(Tip O’ the Cap: Bob Condotta of the Seattle Times)

(Writer’s note: I refuse to refer to the divisions of football by the names currently attached to them by the NCAA.  To borrow a line from one of the most underrated movies of all-time, “his momma called him 1-A/1-AA, I’ma call him 1-A/1-AA.”  Thank you, and have a nice day.)

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27 Responses to “Montana says ‘no thanks’ to WAC, Div. 1-A jump”
  1. blitz4848 says: Nov 11, 2010 1:23 PM

    Let’s face it–the Big Sky conference will be better next yr than the WAC.
    Word has it prestigous Montana alum were adamant that they didn’t want to weaken their schedule just to say they were now a Div I school. The Griz are bad a$$……..

  2. edgy says: Nov 11, 2010 2:35 PM

    Pull this leg while you’re at it, blitz. The only thing that their alumni would hate is the fact that they’d miss the sweet, sweet D-II loving that they get from Western State, whom they’ve beaten 38-0 and 73-2 for the past year. They haven’t even played a I-A school since 2006 and they’ve become the Florida Gators of I-AA: only venturing out of state to play road games in conference or when forced into doing so in the post season (No wonder you’re throwing so much love toward them).

  3. blitz4848 says: Nov 11, 2010 2:54 PM


    You know the routine by now……

    STFU and F off like the internet troll you are

  4. edgy says: Nov 11, 2010 3:23 PM

    What’s the matter blitz, the truth hurt? Everyone knows that the Gators won’t leave the state unless they play in conference road games or bowls and they’d probably try to get the SEC to move their commitment to the Orange Bowl, if they could.

    I’ll ask this again and let’s see if you’ve got the guts to answer it: when was the last time that Florida left the state to play on the road in a REGULAR SEASON GAME that wasn’t a conference game? Even if you discount Notre Dame, USC took a trip to Hawaii, the same team that Florida has only played once — at HOME. Hell, even Florida Atlantic has taken a trip to Hawaii. Why is Florida afraid to leave home?

  5. mrcowpatty says: Nov 11, 2010 3:54 PM

    I bet Boise State wish they would have never left the conference. Of course it really doesn’t matter, they just joined the worst conference in the nation.

  6. hookermctitties says: Nov 11, 2010 3:56 PM

    blitz got served.

  7. blitz4848 says: Nov 11, 2010 4:13 PM

    Not really……why do they need to go on the road when they make millions staying home? This is a business and there are only 6 NCAA schools turning a profit on their overall athletic depts and UF is one of them.

    Florida plays @Auburn, @LSU, @South Carolina Alabama, Georgia, Tennesse & FSU at home.

    Do you have the guts to answer this, does your USC & Boise St play that type of schedule?
    How many real college football fans wouldn’t call that a tough enough schedule?

    No matter what the blog thread is you like to change the subject when your ignorant a$$ doesn’t have anything relevant to the subject.

    If your Boise St played this schedule next season by week 12 they would be referred to as the Boise St crippled and broken ex-football players.

    ***USC going to Hawaii means nothing. Except for the Oregon game they are playing in front of a half empty stadium and are not even a high rating local TV draw.


    “”Serve That””

  8. edgy says: Nov 11, 2010 4:13 PM

    mrcowpatty says:

    Of course it really doesn’t matter, they just joined the worst conference in the nation.


    Really? Besides the MAC, the Sun Belt, Conference USA, the WAC, the Big East, all those I-AA, II, III, NAIA conferences, you’re saying that the MWC is the worst conference in the nation? Boise is going to play in what is going to be a competitive conference and they will have two of the better WAC teams join them in 2012. The MWC NOW is better than the ACC and Big East and they’re still going to be better in 2011 and 2012 and beyond.

  9. hookermctitties says: Nov 11, 2010 5:05 PM

    Blitz – That SEC east schedule is WEAK! ZERO top twenty teams for a reason. Keep kidding yourself buddy. UF’s ZERO class program is starting to show its true colors. At least now we know that UF doesn’t recruit just felons, but liars and cheaters too.

  10. mrcowpatty says: Nov 11, 2010 6:42 PM

    You forgot high school, middle school and Pop Warner. Why does BSU have the only blue field in the country? Is it because it’s cute? Or was it a blue light special at K-Mart?

  11. edgy says: Nov 11, 2010 7:02 PM

    Blitz, you are a fool if you even believe in that bull crap about USC and not being a local draw.

    Oh and I see you once again avoid answering the question. Seriously, what bull shit ARROGANCE that you Gator fans show by believing that you are too good for the road and oh, BTW, all of your other conferences mates leave the comfort of mommy’s teats and have been at the stadiums of non-conference foes, even out of state, while Florida can’t let go of the titty to prove that they’re man enough to go on the road.

    BTW, for those who might be interested, the last time that an SEC team left the friendly confines to play a non-conference game on the road (or out of state neutral site) with an out of state opponent;

    Alabama – 2009 – VT – Neutral. Will — gasp — play a return game (Something you wouldn’t know about, Gator fans) in Happy Valley, next year. Last out of state game before that, 2002 in Norman, against the Sooners.

    Arkansas – 2010 – Texas A&M – Neutral. Will be making a return trip to Cowboys Stadium from 2010 to 2019. Last out of state road game, 2008 vs Texas.

    Auburn – 2008 – West Virginia – Road.

    Florida – Guffaw- Let’s just say that they don’t have anything scheduled in the future that will stop their current streak. While it’s certainly possible that they will schedule one in the future, the streak can’t end until 2014, at the earliest. I KNOW when they last left the state but I want you to tell everyone here when that was. It’s really a hoot.

    Georgia – 2010 – Colorado – Road.

    Kentucky – 2009 – Miami (OH) – Neutral. Last road game – 2005 – Indiana.

    LSU – 2010 – North Carolina – Neutral. Last road – 2009 – Washington.

    Mississippi – 2010 – Tulane – Road.

    Mississippi State – 2010 – Houston – Road.

    South Carolina – 2009 – North Carlina State – Road.

    Tennessee – 2008 – Tennessee – Road.

    Vanderbilt – 2010 – Connecticut – Road.

    You know what’s funny, blitz? Every team but Florida has gone on the road in the 2000s. The 3 teams with more national championship than Florida are all willing to take their mouths out of their home state’s teats to play an out of state out of conference regular season game while the arrogant Gator Nation won’t. Why is Florida afraid to leave their state?

    BTW, here’s a hint: George Herbert Walker Bush was the president when Florida last left the state for an out of conference game. That’s how long its been. I leave it up to you, blitz, to announce what year it was.

    Oh and USC goes any, where, any time, buckwheat. Hell, the team would probably do a one-off so they can go into Gainesville and kick your arrogant asses to show you that the real kings like Alabama and USC aren’t afraid to travel like you punk ass Johnny-come-lately Gators (3 National championships — YAWN. Hell, that’s 4th in the SEC. If Auburn wins one more, it’ll tie the Gators). Ask the people of Ohio State if they have to beg USC to play a home and home? Do they have to beg Miami for a home and home? The Buckeyes are also one of the FOURTEEN teams that made profits last year (You can’t even get THAT right, blitz) and yet, they’re willing to pull the titty out of their mouth and leave Ohio and so are their opponents.

  12. edgy says: Nov 11, 2010 7:05 PM

    The 2008 Tennessee road game was against UCLA.

  13. edgy says: Nov 11, 2010 7:20 PM

    Blue field, big deal. Hell, fields used to be ALL grass but NOW, they’re not. The fields only had the lines and the yard line numbers but now, they look like they’re all whored up with the nickname spray painted in the end zones, the university logo at mid field and some even have sponsor names, especially during the bowls, painted in the field of play. If you’re going to gig them for a blue field then gig the others for selling out.

  14. eaglegator says: Nov 11, 2010 9:41 PM

    Edgy it’s actually a pretty simple explanation. If USC doesn’t play teams outside of their state/conference, who do they play that is a real BCS contender? Oregon maybe. But they haven’t even really been tested yet. UF plays some of the toughest teams in the nation every single year. Their out of conference opponent each year is FSU which just happens to be in state. Pretty respectful out of conference foe until recently. And when they do play out of conference/state team, they win National Championships. What else do they need to prove. Think anyone of any relevance really cares that they play USC in a regular season game. Just focus your energy on Kiffy boy if you want to play the Gators. He needs all the help he can get. Because the only way we play The USC condoms is in a bowl game. Oh wait, I forgot you can’t go.

  15. edgy says: Nov 11, 2010 9:53 PM

    eaglegator says:

    Edgy it’s actually a pretty simple explanation. If USC doesn’t play teams outside of their state/conference,


    That would be true IF that were true. Oh, I suppose you didn’t remember USC playing OHIO STATE in 2008 and 2009, did you? Not good enough, how about a home and away against Nebraska? How about home and away against Arkansas? Then there’s their annual game against Notre Dame. You gator fans aren’t too bright, are you?

  16. eaglegator says: Nov 12, 2010 6:49 AM

    Edgy, you just proved my point. The only teams that you guys play each year that are true BCS contenders are OUT of conference. See Below and I quote…

    “Edgy it’s actually a pretty simple explanation. If USC doesn’t play teams outside of their state/conference, who do they play that is a real BCS contender?”

    and you say Gator fans aren’t bright…..Hmmmm

  17. edgy says: Nov 12, 2010 8:58 AM

    eaglegator says:

    Edgy, you just proved my point.


    They play in conference and in state BCS contenders but that’s NOT the point of the conversation but why let the truth get in the way of your school being too afraid to detach itself from mama Florida’s teat to play ANYONE out of state.

    FYI, because blitz and his gator apologists are too embarrassed to tell you, the last time that Florida left the state to play an OUT OF CONFERENCE game against ANYONE, BCS contender or not was 1991 when Syracuse took The Old Ball Coach behind the woodshed and gave him a 38-21 spanking. This year is the 19th straight year that Florida has not played an out of conference game out of state and the streak will reach 22 if they finally play out of state in 2014, the first year that they have an opening but I wouldn’t lay bets on it.

    BTW, the Gator fans appear to be a bunch of child beaters because they would rather watch their team beat up the following teams instead of real meat between 2011 and 2016:

    2011 Florida Atlantic
    2011 UAB
    2011 Furman
    2012 Bowling Green
    2012 Jacksonville State
    2013 Toledo
    2014 Eastern Michigan
    2016 North Texas

  18. eaglegator says: Nov 12, 2010 9:47 AM

    Let’s reverse this for a minute. What IN conference/ In state schools has USC been playing year and year out that by the end of the season were BCS contenders? I am not just referring to the 2010 season. Go back a few years.

  19. edgy says: Nov 12, 2010 10:58 AM

    eaglegator says:

    Let’s reverse this for a minute.


    What a laugh. You guys are too embarrassed to admit that you’re school can’t release the titty and play someone out of state. Since 1930, USC has played AT LEAST ONE out of conference, out of state ROAD game every year but 6: 1932, 1943, 1944, 1945, 1953 and 1984 (In fact, they played 3 one year).

    Oh and to play your game would do this: Florida can NOT play any in state/in conference games against a BCS contender but — wait for it – USC CAN. In fact, it’s possible for USC to play 3 EVERY YEAR.

    But, let’s talk about the reality of the situation and not your arrogant attempt to try to turn this around. You can’t make this into an SEC vs Pac-10 argument because you can’t even get out of your own conference with your crap. In every instant, SAVE FLORIDA, the SEC teams have all gone on the road since 2002 while Florida will NOT get out of the state until 2014 at the earliest. Don’t try some bull crap about playing BCS contenders because your own conference mates have the balls to do something that your school doesn’t. Once the SEC starts following Florida’s lead THEN you can start moving your arrogance to the rest of the country but that’s not going to happen.

    As for the Pac-10, they play 9 games in conference while the SEC plays 8. This has meant that the conference turns out fewer bowl eligible teams because if they got 3-0 out of conference, they only have to go 3-6 to make the bowls but should they lose 1, they have to go 4-5. On the other hand, an SEC can go 2-6 in conference and make it into a bowl. Because they play 9 in conference games, they also inflict more losses to their members, something that the Big 10ish is going to find out when they go to 9.

    From 2006 to 2009, the SEC has placed 17 teams (35.4%) in the final Top 25 while the Pac-10 has placed 13 (32.5%). They’ve placed an average of 1 fewer team in the Top 25 a year; all this with the disadvantage of having 2 fewer teams AND having to overcome the human biases, which controls 2/3 of the BCS formula.

  20. blitz4848 says: Nov 12, 2010 11:35 AM


    You are a First Class Horse’s A$$

    1–you conveniently left out that in most of those yrs the SEC teams avg rankings were a HELL of a lot higher than the Pac 10.
    2–your world famous computer stats use SOS of schedule as a key component–as does the less famous BCS format.
    Look it up–Florida’s SOS avg this decade is in the top 15 in the nation. Where they play isn’t near as important as who they play. Since you have nothing to fall back on you find inconsequential “crap” to argue because you have nothing else you can say.
    3–If UF plays one of the toughest schedules in the nation why should they go on the road any more than they have to. What is the advantage in doing that?
    4–College football is a big time business, in business you are looking for any competitive advantage you can get.
    5–You said Ohio State played Miami home and home, OK Miami is not a top 25 team so the ONLY top 25 team Ohio St has played is Wisconsin.
    6–UF has played, Alabama, LSU, Miss St and plays South Carolina this week, that’s 4 top 25 teams so what is your point?
    7–You say let’s flip it around, I say “OK”
    Florida will go on the road and play Ohio St and Michigan and then get to play Boise St’s conference schedule–would that make you happy? UF’s SOS would drop significantly plus they wouldn’t sell out every game, 93,000 + for the last 20 some yrs.
    That may be a good business model in your world but in my world the CEO would be fired for being incompetent………
    8–Just to reiterate…your are still the most
    monumental “horse’s a$$” on CFT!!!!!

  21. John Taylor says: Nov 12, 2010 11:51 AM

    “You are a First Class Horse’s A$$”

    First class? I think that’s the first time blitz has ever complimented edgy. Is that détente I smell?

  22. edgy says: Nov 12, 2010 12:36 PM

    Blitz, I can’t help but laugh as you continue to try to make excuses for the fact that the Gators are too arrogant to leave the confines of their state. This is a team that until they won their first national championship in 1996, was tied with Vanderbilt for the SEC basement and they slowly crawled out until they passed Georgia and Auburn, with 2 each, in 2008. These programs all had reasons to be AS or even MORE arrogant than the Gators and YET, they choose to leave their home states to play out of conference games against teams, even teams that aren’t in the BCS.

    It’s a load of blitz crap that you talk about “If UF plays one of the toughest schedules in the nation why should they go on the road any more than they have to. ” because Alabama could say the very same thing and YET, there they are, going to Happy Valley. You can’t even get out of your own conference before your hypocrisy comes to bite you in the ass. Why is it that Alabama, which has more NC than Florida or even USC can leave the state but your Gators won’t pull the teat of their mouth?

    As for the Pac-10, buckwheat, when they start watching the games instead of voting with the box scores, the Pac-10 will get more respect. Also, it’s easier to get more teams in the Top 10 when you have — gasp — more teams IN YOUR CONFERENCE and you play FEWER in conference games. Also, the Pac-10 feeds on far fewer I-AA teams than the SEC (30 in the last 10 vs 71 by the SEC).

    Also, your business model is a bunch of blitz crap as well because the other THIRTEEN teams that made money last year did NOT follow the Florida Gator business model and they all put themselves on the road or in neutral territory AND MADE MONEY! Are you saying that the Tide and Buckeyes should fire their ADs because they made money going on the road? Just how stupid do you think you’d look to them if you ever tried to seriously broach that subject with their universities and fans. Your arrogance shows why the university needed Tebow because NOW, there’s no one to mask it. Just put the Florida titty back in your mouth because it’s obvious that the university isn’t man enough to leave home (sniff).

  23. edgy says: Nov 12, 2010 12:45 PM

    BTW, blitz, college football’s most valuable team last year, Texas, went on the road to Wyoming and was still valued $31 mil higher than Florida (and Notre Dame was $20 mil higher than the Gators, as well and they make all kinds of road trips. Should they fire their AD, as well: I don’t think so).

  24. blitz4848 says: Nov 12, 2010 1:05 PM


    As usual a lot of superfulous BS. Why go on the road when you already play one of the top SOS in the nation. Who cares what other schools do. Do you do something just because your neighbor does(not counting you peeking in their window-wink)?

    Thanks for using Notre Shame and UT as your examples—might want to check their SOS!

    In your rambling,blubbering drool you seemed to be trying to say that the pac 10 was better than the SEC but there was a pac 10 bias? I could say the same, the SEC is at the top and it appears everyone wants to knock them off!
    Sop with the excuses UF isn’t Boise St–they play a real schedule on real fields–not artificially insemenated ones—ROFLMAO!
    You know the Blue Smurf Spud juice—-lmao

    Boise St will end up in the Sugar Bowl and get their “spuds” handed to them(if you don’t get to them first) by the SEC champ.

    Watch out that Spud juice droll doesn’t drip in the keyboard and light your a$$ up!!!!!!!!

  25. eaglegator says: Nov 12, 2010 2:22 PM

    Blitz it’s real simple. If USC doesn’t go out of the conference or out of state, they become irrelevant in the BCS. UF doesn’t have to in order to win National titles, so they don’t.

    Edgy…as far as UF being in the basement with Vandy until 1996, check your facts…..again way off.

  26. edgy says: Nov 12, 2010 3:30 PM

    eaglegator says:

    Blitz it’s real simple. If USC doesn’t go out of the conference or out of state, they become irrelevant in the BCS.


    12 National Championships to 3 and you’re saying that they’re irrelevant. Forest Gator II strikes again.

    Exactly how many national championships did Florida win BEFORE 1996? Are you under the impression that they actually won anything before then because you’re sadly mistaken.

    1995 – Number of national championships won:

    Florida (0)
    Vanderbilt (0)

    School principal: Now, I’m going to show you something, Mrs. Gator. This is normal and eagle, well, he’s right here, at 5. The state requires a minimum of 30 to be able to attend public school, Mrs. Gator and your boy, well, he’s going to have to attend a special school.

    I guess they didn’t teach math there. I hope that you learned how to retread tires when you were at that special school. Run, eagle, run.

  27. edgy says: Nov 12, 2010 8:32 PM

    Blitzen, you just don’t get it, do you? Your Gators are a bunch of mommy’s boys who have to be wet nursed. It’s funny but even the Tide leave the state for out of conference games but a Johnny-Come-Lately like Florida thinks that it’s too good and that’s even when Zook was the coach.

    Funny how you’re pissing on UT and ND when they’re more than willing to play any one, any where but the titty sucking gators won’t even take a trip to Hawaii. Maybe you should get off your ass and check the SOS for Texas and ND before you open your mouth and stick your foot in it. Texas is 14th, ND is 21st and Florida’s is — wait for it — 34th. Got any more observations, genius.

    BTW, turd blossom, since 2000, the Pac-10 is 59-49 against the BCS while the SEC is — gasp — 63-61. I can’t call the SEC a bunch a titty babies because with the exception of Florida, they actually will leave their home state — yes, even Vanderbilt. You act as if you’re some kind of financial genius but the fact is that if Florida is doing it right then how did the other 13 teams that made money do it by NOT doing it like Florida and quite a few are worth more than the Gators. I guess that you don’t have much of an idea of what you’re talking about do you? No wonder people say that Gator tastes like chicken.

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