In the days since a quintet of Ohio State Buckeyes were suspended for the first five games of 2011 but not this year’s bowl game, the widely-held belief was that forces greater than the NCAA led to this head-scratching decision.
It’s been assumed Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany was one of those forces. Now, it’s been confirmed the bowl itself flexed its considerable muscle to ensure Terrelle Pryor & Company were available for the date with Arkansas.
And, perhaps most amazingly — or disgustingly, depending on your perspective — they’re damn proud of what they’ve accomplished and not ashamed to woof about it publicly.
Speaking to Ken Gordon of the Columbus Dispatch, Sugar Bowl CEO Paul Hoolahan showed no shame in stating that it was made perfectly clear to the powers that be that it was imperative the Ohio State-Arkansas game go off with both teams at full strength.
“I made the point that anything that could be done to preserve the integrity of this year’s game, we would greatly appreciate it,” Hoolahan said. “That appeal did not fall on deaf ears, and I’m extremely excited about it, that the Buckeyes are coming in at full strength and with no dilution.”
Hoolahan also addressed those who felt the five should’ve started their suspensions immediately, and came out with the understatement of the year.
“I appreciate and fully understand the Midwestern values and ethics behind that. But I’m probably thinking of this from a selfish perspective.”
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Forget how you feel about whether the players should’ve been suspended for selling something that was technically there’s to begin with; this situation, with a bowl leaning on the NCAA and impacting the eligibility of student-athletes, reeks something awful. And it’s most certainly not the players who need to offer up apologies for the smell.
One of the major arguments Delany, the bowls and their ilk make against a playoff is that it puts the sport on a slippery slope toward professionalism. Yeah, this current Cosa Nostra style of governance is much, much more in line with the ideals of institutions of higher learning.
With each passing day, a little piece of the NCAA’s manhood is chipped away and placed squarely into the fists of the Delanys and Slives of the college football world. And, more so than ever, it’s pointing toward Div. 1-A football — at least the BcS big boys — eventually making a break from the NCAA. Or the NCAA kicking the sport at that level to the curb.
What???? Look at the dozens of players already suspended for academic reasons—how can that be any different? What if those same athletes had academic issues? Would the Sugar Bowl have influence over that?
Something isn’t right here as every yr many teams lose players to academics and are short handed in bowl games!
He preserved the integrity of this year’s game while destroying the integrity of the game of college football.
Whatever was left of it.
I also don’t appreciate his condescending “I fully understand the midwestern values & ethics” comment. I have news for you, values and ethics don’t have geographical boundries. You either act with integrity or you don’t.
Boy does this stink to high heaven!
This is more than mere lobbying, this is out and out extortion. The Sugar Bowl is basically threatening the NCAA that their relationship my be jeopardized if they don’t let the kids play! In other words “do what we say if you want to continue to get paid”!
By the way… whatever happened to the investigation of the millions made in the big bowl games… supposedly as “untaxed, not for profit” enterprises?
Well, the Sugar Bowl idiots can lobby all day long but they can not make the final decision. That was up to OSU to decide and we all see what they chose.
Way to hold the line on integrity Big 10 / OSU…nice sell out
I heartily encourage all college football fans to read “Death to the BCS” by Dan Wetzel. Got it for Christmas and it was SHOCKING, to say the least. Division 1 college football is such a mess, run by a bunch of fat bastards in ugly blazers that are in it for nothing more than to protect their high salaries and outlandish expense accounts. It’s sickening.
By the way, JT…the jerseys they sold weren’t THEIRS..and the trouble was that they sold the items for money that was way above market value. Remember players selling their game tickets in the 50′s, 60′s and 70′s beffore a stop was put to that ?
I guess the $ugar Bowl reps need to put their clear heels on, as well.
edgy sorry about it, posting as new
and this does make sense the money is there and they need to play…..if they were suspended though, they would have received less games for next year
The NCAA must assume that non of us graduated from the fine institutions they represent, because only an idiot would believe anything they’re saying about this whole fiasco.
This press release from the NCAA is pure gold
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Latest+News/2010+news+stories/December/NCAA+statement+on+fairness+of+rules+decisions
The point everyone is missing is that Ohio State could have suspended these players from the bowl game regardless of the NCAA’s verdict.
It would have been a great opportunity for them to save face and show some integrity.
Instead they go for the money grab and take a pass on building on any shread of integrity they have left.
He appreciates mid-western values (cough, choke). This was about money, not what was right. Not what was in the students best interest.
My mom taught me right from wrong. This one is not even up for debate. They broke the rules. This is akin to being grounded for misbehavior but not until after you come back from Disneyland.
You gotta love how Arkansas and the SEC have come out as the holders of higher moral values. “The OSU” again has it’s image tainted as a money grubbing athletic institution that happens to have a few class rooms. So unlike the University of the Sisters of the Poor.
laxer37 said…
“Instead they go for the money grab and take a pass on building on any shread of integrity they have left.”
These folks are not even in the same room with integrity.
the haters are out today lol I mean come on people, suspending these young men 5 games of next season and the bowl game of this season?! That’s the penalty you want to give to kids SELLING THEIR OWN PROPERTY
did they buy stolen laptops?
did the get busted for academic misconduct, ie cheating, not once, not twice, not even three times?
did they have a parent sollicted funds for money?
no they sold their own property, and to people on here, the only justification is to suspend them for a BCS bowl game and half of next season
everyones just complaining that osu will give the little piglets a game and smoke them down in the bayou
gotta keep my mouth shut misses the point.
The punishment starts now, not after you eat dessert. Suspend them for the bowl and FOUR games next year. They KNOWINGLY broke the rules. That it was their property makes no difference. They knew not to sell it.
You live with the consequences of your actions. Or, as in this case, not because you have a talent for football. This does nothing but feed the sense of entitlement that is destroying these kids.
This is not about the athletes being punished. They are being punished in both cases plus having their names drug through the mud. What is incongruous is the preaching of moral values bu Ohio State but hen the rubber meets the road, they take an entirely different slant. Ohio State still has the option of not allowing these gentlemen to play to maintain athletics do not trump everything. I would rather have them miss the bowl game and that be the end to it with no missed games next year but that is not where the money is. As Deep Throat stated in Watergate “Follow the money”.
lbijake says: You gotta love how Arkansas and the SEC have come out as the holders of higher moral values.
well honestly arkansas is the most screwed over team of the year- is there some award for that? having to play scam in the first place and then the officials giving auby 14 bonus points and now this osu deal? 2010-2011 the season of woo pig screwie….
Dug is absolutely correct – gotta keep my mouth shut is way off base and fails to understand the concept of being a student athlete. Regardless of your opinion concerning whether or not a student athlete should be paid (my opinion is that paying student athletes would promote even more disparity among schools), consequences must be paid when rules are broken. It is their choice to go for the glory – they need to do it without violating rules. As for the Sugar Daddy – I mean Sugar Bowl CEO – if he made the comment to the OSU AD only, his comments in the paper are the idle boasting of a redneck (technical term). If he approached the NCAA to keep the players in the game, that seems to reek of something borderline criminal.
gotta keep my mouth shut says:
the haters are out today lol I mean come on people, suspending these young men 5 games of next season and the bowl game of this season?! That’s the penalty you want to give to kids SELLING THEIR OWN PROPERTY
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Most of us “haters” probably agree that 5 games is too much. What we take issue with is the NCAA dropping the hammer on these guys but then saying it’s ok to go ahead and play in the next one. Kind of a mixed message don’t you think?
They broke a clear NCAA rule so they should be suspended for at least one game…their next one.
My problem is not with the players. It is with the NCAA. They are allowing them to play in the game that makes the NCAA and its institutions the most money, while suspending them for five mostly meaningless games next year.
Who’s the greedy one here: the NCAA for picking and choosing when to suspend the players or the athletes for selling their swag?
“Now, it’s been confirmed the bowl itself flexed its considerable muscle to ensure Terrelle Pryor & Company were available for the date with Arkansas.”
And no doubt ESPN did too.
gotta:
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Your point is? Ok, so they play 1 more game NEXT year, big deal. The point is that they shouldn’t get away with this. Either it’s wrong or it’s not and if it’s wrong then they should pay the price NOW and take a game off their punishment next year and if it’s not then what’s the point of punishing them at all. They broke the rules, they KNEW that they broke the rules, the SCHOOL knows that they broke the rules AND they KNEW that the players knew that the players were breaking the rules and yet, the high and mighty “squeaky clean” Buckeyes turn a blind eye and let the almighty $$$ speak for them.
As for selling their own property, baloney. It’s something that they would have never gotten if they had played so it IS an extra benefit (Unless you know for sure that Ohio State gave every student a Big 10 championship ring or a special uniform for beating Michigan and even then I don’t believe that would a valid excuse). It’s like people saying that it’s ok for these guys to bet on college basketball games because they can’t mess with the outcome of those games when in fact, if they got heavily in debt, they could be forced into shaving points on their football games. The NCAA doesn’t make a distinction on who they sell it to because they could easily sell it to an agent’s runner, who could claim that they’re just an ordinary citizen. Once they give up their eligibility, they’re free to sell whatever they want but until then they need to live by the same rules as the other players.
Ohio State should be the ones to suspend these players for the Sugar Bowl.No INTRGRITYat OSU.
my problem is with the whole integrity idea, what integrity was blown?
someone please explain to me how integrity was compromised by selling ones personal property?
what is this lack of integrity that you speak of
The NCAA is the sleaziest organization in America this side of Congress. Reading about them makes me want to take a shower.
Is 5 games too excessive? How about the Death Penalty? Or taking away 30 scholarships? Punishment is meant do deter not make it easier on those that you like. If they get 1 game this year and 1 game next year, they may decide to come back next year and all they’ll miss is a game that they will most likely win going away. Now, besides the fact that Ohio State benefits greatly from THAT kind of a decision, it does NOTHING to the rest of CFB. Imagine facing a one game suspension for something like that – big deal. For that kind of punishment, a guy will take the chance, especially since there’s very little chance that anyone will ever find out (Raise your hands if you believe that Ohio State and North Carolina players were the only ones to sell their “own stuff” for the last 2 years. Anyone that does needs to go take a reality pill) but give them 5 games and people will think harder about it. Certainly, if they decide to leave Ohio State AFTER the bowl instead of taking their medicine and it cripples Ohio State next year, the Buckeyes might think twice about giving the others a pass like they did this year and that’s how it should be.
If the NCAA softens its stance, they put themselves in the position to watch things get worse. When SMU got the DP, a lot of programs got scared straight BUT as the years went on and it became apparent that they weren’t going to give it to any big program, even if they deserved it, a lot of programs started taking more and more chances. Things haven’t gotten as out of hand like they did back then but they’ve gotten pretty bad and USC paid the price for that and it remains to be seen if other programs get the message or if they’re going to just get sneakier. Certainly the NCAA has sent the wrong message when they’ve said that ignorance of the law IS an excuse and they’ve opened up a can of worms that could come back to bite them in the ass.
The lack of integrity is not on the students but on “The” Ohio State University, in my opinion. The institution is suppose to be one of academics but they are bending the rules for $ by suspending the athletes next year when the money is not so integral. My choice would be to, at most, suspend them for one game, their next one. I feel that Ohio State is trying to have it both ways as for coming out on strong penalties as long as it does not affect their interests. Tressell would have all spring to groom their replacements. Arkansas plays by the rules, or at least hasn’t been caught, and should be the fans favorite for this game.
The lack of integrity argument is cracking me up. I’m sure all of you on these boards tossing fat stones with such ultra high levels of moral fortitude would no doubt always pay double what you’re required to pay just because you feel compelled by your little integrity voice. What a crock of shit! The NCAA handed down the sentence and OSU is under no obligation to extend it further.
All make great points except “gotta keep my mouth shut says:”. This person is obviously not on the same train as everyone else.
The players should be suspended as even though the property is theirs, it is not to be used for PROFIT. I agree with some of you and think that players are getting the raw end of the stick as the NCAA and these schools are making millions from the student athlete, however, there is no place in the NCAA for that right now and ALL players must abide by the rules. There are THOUSANDS of players across the country at all schools who do the right thing because it is what they are supposed to do.
The real issue in all of this is the NCAA. Their lack of any type of consistency on lots of issues has made them to look like, shall we say, a bunch of idiots. When this story came out and it was revealed that the players were not suspended from the bowl game, I knew it was about money. As stated by an arrogant CEO, it is. This is exactly the thing that the NCAA doesnt need, yet, apparently has allowed to happen once again.
I used to love college football because it was about the players, traditions, and the rivalries. It now appears that it is solely about the money and nothing else.
“The NCAA handed down the sentence and OSU is under no obligation to extend it further.”
There goes the moral authority that the Buckeyes and their fans lorded over the SEC (I guess they do live by the Golden Rule: them that’s got the Gold, makes the Rules). Yes, the Buckeye boards were rife with posters roasting the SEC for allowing Newton to play but now that the shoe is on the other foot, they’re suddenly not for doing to right thing. If you look up the meaning of hypocrite at dictionary.com, you’ll find the Buckeye logo.
In comparison, 1978 Orange Bowl, Arkansas (6) vs. Oklahoma (2).
Underdog by 18 points, Arkansas suspends three or four of its starters (including most productive, star, running back) for team standards violations… violations short of NCAA sanction violations.
Would have been able to hold their heads high if they had lost to the Sooners… but, sticking to the highest standards, they blew out the Sooners in that memorable 1978 Orange Bowl. Look it up.
@edgy – thanks for throwing your ignorant generalization over an entire group of people that you don’t know or have any clue how they feel about the subject. You will not find one post from me in this vein so it is obviously your deep hatred of the program that causes you to spew such venom. Site the posters you are targeting and blast away but stop condemning an entire sea of fans because of a few people that pissed you off.
Excuse me – I meant cite the posters, not site. God knows I want to give lil edgy something to foam at the mouth about
I don’t have much say in anything. My wife will attest to that. But I can say that I will use my remote to watch the History Channel during the Sugar Bowl. No $500,000/30 second commercials for me. Stick it.
I really could care less about your spelling and I don’t hate the program, just their hypocritical fans. Cite them? Buckwheat, since this is NOT an Ohio State message board, to cite them would require everyone to go some where else to see the people I’m talking about or do you not understand that the phrase “Buckeye boards” doesn’t refer to CFT? Please, please, tell me that out there on all those Buckeye boards that there is not a single post that has someone chortling about Newton because I need a good laugh. The Buckeye Nation has been doing a lot of back peddling when it comes to morals when they were on their high horse during the SEC championship and I can’t help but laugh at them. That’s the price of arrogance and being holier than thou. I guarantee you that the SEC guys that have taken crap from the Buckeye fans are laughing their asses off when it’s all said and done.
I agree with Edgy and the fact that we SEC fans took a load of shit from Buckeys. What goes around comes around. You Buckeye fans , specifically you dkhHuey, are the biggest whiners I have ever seen – you outdo the Little Sisters of the Poor schools when it comes to crying.
Enjoy your Sugar Bowl….lol. Maybe if you win Pryor will have another ring he can sell so he can get himself a few more tat’s
1. Many regular OSU fans on this site have been hypocrites about punishments handed down this season during the SEC problems at the beginning of the season
2. This is a $$$$ grab by: the Big 10, OSU, E$PN,
and the Sugar Bowl
3. Ohio State now has it BOTH ways–if they lose, which they will, they will say all the distracyions were the reason and if they win they will talk about all they had to overcome. Gotta love how they ALL try to cover their a$$e$….
4. You all are forgetting the almighty Big 10 commi$h could have stepped in as well and handed down punishments.
5. Ohio State’s integrity goes totally out the window when they went along with the “original press release” that these players were ignorant of the facts about profiting/trading for profit.
When past players at OSU stepped and stated that there was a required class that ALL OSU players went to that covered this situation!
6. The players aren’t criminals but they did break the rules just like the numerous athletes at North Carolina that were suspended from 2 games up to including the entire season. They were NOT allowed to play until the case was thoroughlly investigated and proper punishment handed down.
7. The bottom line is this goes on across the country in all conferences. The reason so many are being called haters by readers who haven’t been around all season was the trash that spewed from holier than thou Big 10 fans all over the SEC and now kharma has become a huge beeotch for those fans of The Ohio State……lmao
@soflTrojan
Trojan, thanks for the link to the NCAA Press Release. It does clear up several things. But I still do not understand the difference between academic ineligibility and the Bowl/Championship versus rules violation and being eligible to play in the bowl
Anybody able to clear up the difference?
I can certainly handle the fact that there are huge hypocritical asshole Buckeye fans who talk all kinds of smack. They drive me nuts as well, but I’m certainly not going to hang around and not respond to people who categorize every single Buckeye fan based on these idiots. If I was so inclined, I could make the same jump with SEC fans as a whole but I do not. Take your shots at the university, take your shots at the players, take your shots at the coach and we can debate all day long. However, stop lumping every single Buckeye fan into your one dimensional skewed category based on a few people on this board.
WingT – you’re only pissed off because I bitch slapped you and your little gay smiley faces and 5 year old lol stupidity.
First of all, I didn’t lump every one OR do you believe that the word “rife” means “every” because if you do, please ask for a refund on your edu-ma-cation.
In the second place, as you can see the SEC fans DON’T appreciate the crap they’ve taken from the Big 10, which is more than just the Buckeyes.
This is dirty. The Sugar Bowl is officially on my shitlist now, right below McDonald’s and right above Starbucks.
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noaxetogrind says:
Dec 29, 2010 1:27 PM
I also don’t appreciate his condescending “I fully understand the midwestern values & ethics” comment. I have news for you, values and ethics don’t have geographical boundries. You either act with integrity or you don’t.
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I’m burntorangehorn, and I approved this message. WTF are midwestern values? I come from Kansas and Texas, two places that purport to have such great values, and after traveling all over the country and world, I’ve concluded that people are people. Values aren’t unique to the midwest. People go to church more in the midwest, but those values don’t have more value than those of people who do not go to church.
@edgy –
Here are your quotes from only 2 threads I could not doubt find several hundred more but quite frankly, I don’t want to waste anymore of my time proving my point:
There goes the moral authority that the Buckeyes and their fans lorded over the SEC (I guess they do live by the Golden Rule: them that’s got the Gold, makes the Rules)
I find it very hard to believe that they didn’t do their job or else the holier-than-thou attitude that Buckeye fans wear about their program is as phony as a teary-eyed Jimmy Swaggart apology).
Ohio State and its fans are pretty sanctimonious about telling everyone how THE Ohio State does things right and their players are given all the training they need to stay in compliance and YET, they are now saying that the university fell flat on its face and forgot to tell its players a basic fact that should have been taught at Compliance 101, on the first day. I don’t buy it.
You Big 10 guys are pretty arrogant, especially when it comes to crapping on other conferences when it comes to this crap and yet, you certainly can’t take your own medicine.
I think it’s hypocritical that you Buckeye fans have been so holier than thou about this and have been giving the SEC fans grief for their transgressions but man, you nearly have a cow when the shoe is on the other foot.
What point are you trying to prove: that you guys are bunch of hypocrites that can’t stand having that pointed out?
Have you lost so much of your moral authority that you have to come up with something divert the fact that you can’t be an open hypocrite, any more? Geez.
No, I am tired of being lumped into your continuous accusations that all Buckeye fans are based on the two or three people you spar with every single day. I am not a hypocrite at all. Ohio State is a huge college with one of the largest athletic department in the country. It has had and will continue to have its share of issues – it is unavoidable. OSU is also one of the most transparent colleges when it comes to reporting itself to the NCAA when potential infractions occur. This case is a great example of that. I’ve said it since the beginning that these guys violated the rules, got caught, and are taking the punishment handed down to them. I’ve also said that every single one of these NCAA investigations into incidents throughout college football are all totally different and shouldn’t be compared to each other. That this has nothing to do with Cam Newton, USC, Lane Giffen, or DickRod.
I am not a hypocrite for saying that OSU is not obligated, compelled, or required to add their own brand of punishment on top of what was handed down by the NCAA. People who are calling out the university and Tressel based on this wafting sense of integrity is a crock of shit.
You are a hypocrite. The university LIED about the fact that these kids didn’t know that it was wrong. They know it and Tressel knows it and yet, they still allow them to play, which proves that their integrity is a bunch of bull shit that is stirred in the same crock that you get your facts from.
blitz,
Should Tressel lay down some Gator Law and suspend these five for a half? Would that make you feel better?
To the yokels (blitz, you’re not a yokel….just a Gator fan….who stands to lose a lot of money on Jan 4th),
Nobody in the Buckeye fan base really said much of anything when AJ Green was suspended. That’s not the type of stuff that gets you roasted or prompts “us” to look down our noses.
Instead, it’s when players have been proven to have been soliciting money where you get tarred and feathered forum style.
I get that you’re southern and all, but please do try and understand the situation.
This is ridiculous…some of these posters are obviously unloading on this situation and NOT being reasonable only because u have some hatred for the program or the fans or whatever…. this is NOT comparable to the cam newton situation.. not even close. Dont give me this “rules are the rules” Crap.. lets examine..
1. they sold THERE items.. not the NCAAs, not OSUs.. they owned there items…we can debate if it was blasphemous to not cherish those items. but its there stuff. It is against the rules, so they should be punished. But 5 games is ridiculous… and some of you want 5 games AND the sugar bowl?? get out of here with that. The only way i say sit them for the sugar bowl.. is if they reduce the 5 games next year.
2. There were NO boosters,.. NO agents involved , no criminal activity.. nobody on the take.. no DUI (endangering other lives) No rape charges etc.. about 2 years ago when these kids were between there frosh and soph years they made a poor decision.. this is being waaaaaaay overblown. its being overblown as a “payback” to the “arrogant buckeye and big ten fanbase” If we take emotion and hate out of it.. we will be reasonable and say that this is NOT that horribe and evil as some of you guys and the media is making it seem.
3. Tressel and gene smith self reported this and suspended all the players indefenitely.. the NCAA reinstated them for the sugar and gave them the 5 games.. and now people are trying to find fault and nit pick, saying OSU lacks integrity and is going for the “money grab” OSU gets money for the game regardless if the players play or not.
4. Finally, some of you think that its a certainty that they are all leaving to go pro so if they play in the sugar they will not be punished at all. Dont be so sure of that. Devier posey (WR)has made it public that he is returning. And im hearing from insiders close to the program that everyone else plans to return except boom herron who is 50/50 because he has been at OSU for 4 years. Im also hearing tressel may sit them for the 1st qrt of the sugar. Maybe that will appease the lench mob judging his morals, character and integrity.
Most Buckeye fans want to see the players suspended for the bowl game, including myself. I’m still hoping Tressel keeps them on the sidelines, his track record for handling these types of situations is very good. We know, as fans, we will have to shut up and take the full brunt of what is being said. Go Bucks.
Well, with the holidays and traveling, I’m a bit out of the loop. Last I knew, some OSU players were suspended for getting a free tatoo, and I pitched a hissy fit about the Auburn player who got six figures and still gets to play. Guess circumstances have changed. But unless the Ohio State players got six figures, I’m still more pissed about the NCAA whitewash of Auburn to protect the sanctity of advertising dollars pulled in by the Championship game.
Now it seems the BCS and Sugar Bowl have done the same by postponing these suspensions until after the players declare for the NFL in order to ensure the sanctity of advertising dollars for the Sugar Bowl.
Isn’t it nice when college athletic programs teach values to young people?
That proposed Justice Dept. probe of the BCS can’t start too soon for me. In the meantime, think I’ll use some of my Christmas loot to take gorilladunk’s advice and buy the book Death to the BCS.
@burntorangehorn …
I am a church goer (though these blogs have sorely tried my cheek-turning ability lately), but your post was classic. Well said–especially the part about McDonald’s and Starbucks LOL
@edgy – I can see why people stop replying to your posts because you are an angry bitter man that can’t seem to understand anything outside your little sphere of knowledge. OSU didn’t lie about anything – they self reported immediately when the FBI notified them that they found a stash of autographed stuff, they cooperated with the NCAA investigation, and are abiding with the penalty while filing an appeal to get it reduced. Just because you assume in your little mind that there most be some cynical cover-up going on and therefore everybody was in on the fix and lying doesn’t make it so. To be called a hypocrite is pretty much a pot, meet kettle, type of a scenario.
@bodybaggame …
So where are you with all this bleating about the conferences? Just stumbled across you calling me out as a representative of the “SEC cheaters” on a PFT thread where I wasn’t posting. Need strength in numbers to say what’s on your mind? Don’t expect backing from the crowd you glommed onto today. That bunch would eat their young if their stomachs growled.
If you have something to say to me about college football, I’ll be happy to respond. Next time, just try CFT … assuming you actually want your post to be seen.
@Brownstown
At least you know that most of us are just having our turn at the punching bag which this week happens to be OSU…..still don’t know why so many Buckeyes see this as hatred rather than the good natured fun it really is……since the fish haven’t been biting due to the cold it is fun to always be able to reel in a Buckeye or 2 or 3……
I think Tressel will handle this and wouldn’t be surprised to see him not announce anything but sit them anywhere from a series to the entire game. If you think back I have stated I want no suspensions or excuse for the Hogs dismantling the Buckeyes on Jan 4th.
I already booked my flight and resort reservations in Costa Rica with the $$$ I will win on that game….Hogs 31 Buckeyes 17
@ Deb
Take No prisoners…….Happy New Year
Baloney. EITHER the U lied or the players lie because the NCAA said that they took into account that the players didn’t know that it was against the rules because they hadn’t been told that by the university. You can try to pull some kind of crap and say that it isn’t so but that’s a fact. They did an Outside The Lines and addressed the issue and several former Buckeye players called them liars because they said that they had the class and it most certainly did address the issue. If telling the truth makes me an angry man then you really need to get off your hypocritical, self-serving, high horse because you’re just pissed that you have to deal with the crap that the Big 10 fans have been giving the SEC and the SEC fans here have already said how they feel about it and you just aren’t man enough to take it so you try to change this into something else.
Now, I would guess that since you’re too embarrassed that you’ve been shown to be a hypocrite that you’ll stop replying then go ahead. I hope that when the next scandal makes out that you don’t show up to prove that you’re a hypocrite when it happens to another SEC team because I know that they’re tired of your crap and if you read what WingT and Blitz said, they’ll agree with that assessment. Good luck, in your future endeavors at the Columbus Micky Dee’s.
@Blitz …
You, too
@edgy – I’ve already proven you a liar and still you continue to blather on. Put down the crack pipe jackass and move on. You are a bitter an angry man who has some type axe to grind against OSU. Personally, I could care less and now that you’ve been exposed for a total liar, I take you post for the dribble that it is.
@edgy the liar
Here is your original statement:
First of all, I didn’t lump every one OR do you believe that the word “rife” means “every” because if you do, please ask for a refund on your edu-ma-cation.
Here are your posts from only TWO threads from today:
There goes the moral authority that the Buckeyes and their fans lorded over the SEC (I guess they do live by the Golden Rule: them that’s got the Gold, makes the Rules)
I find it very hard to believe that they didn’t do their job or else the holier-than-thou attitude that Buckeye fans wear about their program is as phony as a teary-eyed Jimmy Swaggart apology).
Ohio State and its fans are pretty sanctimonious about telling everyone how THE Ohio State does things right and their players are given all the training they need to stay in compliance and YET, they are now saying that the university fell flat on its face and forgot to tell its players a basic fact that should have been taught at Compliance 101, on the first day. I don’t buy it.
You Big 10 guys are pretty arrogant, especially when it comes to crapping on other conferences when it comes to this crap and yet, you certainly can’t take your own medicine.
I think it’s hypocritical that you Buckeye fans have been so holier than thou about this and have been giving the SEC fans grief for their transgressions but man, you nearly have a cow when the shoe is on the other foot.
You are a liar and have done nothing but throw venom at OSU. You are a bitter and angry man who only tries to bolster your self esteem by bashing other posters.
Sorry, you lose again. Try harder and maybe you’ll get that promotion to assistant french fry cook and earn enough money to get out of your parents basement.
Here we go again. You might as well write for Fox News because you sure as hell want everyone to forget why you’re actually in there and that’s because of the actions of Oho State and NOT me but why let let facts get in the way of the fact that you’re too embarrassed to deal with that, right? Seeing as how most, if not all of those statements were directed to you, I guess you’re now going to say that YOU are the Buckeye Nation, right? Look, if you want to deal with your hypocrisy, there are people here that are willing to do so but it seems that you’d rather try to be Sean Hueyity and divert this conversation away from he facts so you don’t have to deal with your hypocrisy and OH, who is LYING? How about THE Ohio State University and its players, who claim that the players never got the proper traini9ng and yet former Buckeye players call THEM liars. Funny, how in all my conversations with you about this very subject, you have NEVER acknowledged this and have gone to great lengths to change the subject because it shows how your high and mighty school can’t even keep their own story straight OR live up to the high and mighty standards that they espouse. Let’s see you stop trying to avoid this subject and actually talk about it. Personally, I don’t expect you to and I can only expect to see more conversations that move away from this — hypocrite.
BTW, I’m not bitter toward Ohio State and as someone once said, “I nothing them.” You and your fellow OSU fans have made yourselves the object of scorn here for others because of your holier than thou attitude and it’s come back to bite you in the ass and rather than deal with that fact, you want to attack me for exposing you for the hypocrite that you are. As I stated before, you guys ceded moral authority over the others with your pompous attitude. I strongly suggest that you ask the others if they believe what I just said. Oh, wait, they’ve already said that they did. NEXT!
blitz,
I’m just trying to help you out. OSU typically plays well in bowl games under Tressel, the two NC losses notwithstanding. I’m telling you, they usually open things up and play a lot more aggressive.
You’ve been warned.
@brownstown
Thanks, appreciate that but I placed that bet 2 weeks ago when I was getting 4 pts. Hope you are wrong on this one but we will know soon enough….Happy New Year
man edgy is bitter lol
even wing t and blitz don’t hate Ohio State as much as you do lol