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A&M-to-SEC rumors surface yet again

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Buoyed by the creation of the Longhorn Network, the speculation surrounding Texas A&M taking their athletic programs to the SEC refuses to die a merciful death.

In a column Monday morning, Kirk Bohls of the Austin American-Statesman writes that Texas’ deal with ESPN, announced last week, could create “a spike in Texas A&M’s interest in joining the SEC.”  During the mini-expansion apocalypse way back in June, there were many reports connecting the Aggies to the SEC, including one that had the school’s board of regents giving the thumbs-up for the move.

That talk came in the midst of Texas’ discussions with the Pac-10, but both schools ultimately opted for conference “solidarity” and remained in the Big 12.

The new UT network, however, has caused the talk to surface once again, with the Aggies apparently none too pleased with a development that stuffs even more money into their in-state rival’s already bloated coffers.

“I certainly think it’s going to create some reaction from some Aggies who will say, ‘(The heck with) Texas. Let’s do our own deal,’” a prominent, unnamed Aggie told Bohls. “I don’t think Texas is winning friends and influencing people among their Big 12 brethren. As for the SEC, it may be a lot of noise, but I don’t sense a lot of groundswell from the president or athletic director’s office.”

Bohls went on to suggest that A&M and Oklahoma, which is exploring the creation of its own TV network, could “unite at some point to shift to the SEC, which I think would scoop them up in a second.”  The Sooners had been mentioned back in June as potentially having an interest in making their way to the SEC.

Bohls was also told that “A&M AD Bill Byrne may rally the other eight non-Longhorn schools to try to pool their third-tier rights together and package them under the Big 12 name.”

So, yeah, this whole Big 12 alliance thing is rock solid.  Nothing to worry about here, commissioner Dan Beebe.  Nothing at all.

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  1. stairwayto7 says: Jan 24, 2011 9:56 AM

    If A&M goes to SEC, who else will the SEC go for? Florida International or Mississippi Valley State?

  2. saintcasey says: Jan 24, 2011 10:05 AM

    Actually read the story before commenting. See above: Oklahoma.

  3. scardino says: Jan 24, 2011 10:29 AM

    I don’t have a dog in this fight but I could see this working out well for A&M in the long run. In the short term they would be put against some pretty stiff competition and they may come out of it with some scrapes and bruises. However, their recruiting area will grow to include some fertile grounds and the rich competition would be a strong selling point. A&M leaving the Big 12 would take a chunk out of Texas’ strength of schedule and removing Oklahoma on top of it would be devastating. A&M could feasibly be trying on the ‘Recruiting King of Texas’ crown that UT has worn for so long.

    But, in all reality, UT will probably lay down some money to keep their conference in order.

  4. southernpatriots says: Jan 24, 2011 10:54 AM

    The Aggies beat Oklahoma (the great?), Nebraska (the media darlings), and then was beat by LSU, third in the SEC West. This would indicate that the Aggies need the tempering, conditioning that only the best competition gives. That best competition year in and year out is the SEC, and especially the SEC West. They would have Arkansas and LSU close at hand, Miss. State and Ole Miss not too far away and the juggernauts of Auburn and Alabama just over a state. Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina and all would be a good paring for A & M. Not against it, but if Oklahoma joined as well, whew! What was a “murder’s row” and gauntlet schedule will be far beyond any other conference and will probably be assured of filling most or all of the major bowls and be in the BCS each year. That has been mostly happening now and for the past 5 years or so, right?

  5. huskerguy says: Jan 24, 2011 10:59 AM

    That would be awesome. Beebe- The Big XII/X killer.

  6. lbijake says: Jan 24, 2011 12:13 PM

    Love to see the Aggies in the SEC but what about academics? Wouid they be losing anything there?

  7. lemmam says: Jan 24, 2011 12:33 PM

    the deal between espn & texas will cause irrepable (sp?) harm to the big 12 conference. a true partnership can not be had by a conference where ALL times are not sharing the revenue, here’s what I believe may happen down the road; texas will go independent and A&M will go to the SEC

  8. frug says: Jan 24, 2011 1:13 PM

    I don’t buy this for a few reasons:

    1. The Texas legislature will block any move they think could endanger Texas Tech. If A&M bolts then the “united Texas” front will be broken and it will be substantially easier for Texas to unchain themselves from TTU if they want to.

    2. If Beebe can come close to the $20 million he promised TAMU then a move to the SEC would mean a paycut since unlike the Big 10 which can increase its TV through expansion thanks to the Big 10 network, the SEC is locked into long term to contracts that pay the same amount regardless of the number of teams in the conference. Add the exit fees the school would have to pay to leave the Big XII and the fact the athletic department is currently $8 million dollars in debt there is no way A&M could afford this move unless ESPN and CBS were willing to renegotiate their contracts which they will only do if the Aggies can bring along a team with a national following like OU…

    3. Except Oklahoma is never going to go to the SEC for three reasons:

    A. OU is tied to Oklahoma State at least as much (if not more than) UT is to TTU. T. Boone will use all his financial resources to protect OSU and the new governor is a Cowboy who would probably go Ann Margret to take care of her alma mater. And there is no way the SEC is going to take OSU even if it means getting OU and A&M.

    B. Even if OU could untether themselves from OSU it wouldn’t matter since they have stated they will not leave UT under any circumstances. UT and OU have formed a mutually beneficial pact and it doesn’t make sense for OU to break it.

    C. OU just plain does not want to leave. Of all the major players (schools, conferences, politicians, etc.) Oklahoma had by far the weakest stomach for realignment and made clear they would only leave if they absolutely had no other options. Indeed they refused (unlike TAMU) to even use their SEC invitation to leverage the Big XII and PAC-10 back during the realignment round robin. As long as the Big XII is viable OU is not going to bolt.

    This is all on top of the fact that Texas A&M has really worked to increase their academic reputation recently (joining the AAU in 2001 and taking part in the Education City project (wikipedia it) it would make little sense for them to join the dumb jocks of the college sports world.

    All things considered I can’t imagine this is anything but a bluff.

  9. honolulubluefanatic says: Jan 24, 2011 1:16 PM

    If the SEC grows you can expect the Big Ten to look to expand further and try to get Notre Dame to join.

  10. burntorangehorn says: Jan 24, 2011 1:19 PM

    scardino–little brother (aggie) and OU wouldn’t necessarily go off the Texas schedule if they were to leave the conference. Texas-OU remained a series all throughout the time that Texas was in the SWC and OU was in the Big Eight, and aggie would be lost without big brother.

  11. burntorangehorn says: Jan 24, 2011 1:29 PM

    frug–I think you’re right about the legislature. It’ll probably block anything that involves Texas, aggie, or Tech splitting away from one or both of the other two. They forced Texas and aggie to take along Tech and Baylor in the 90s, after all.

  12. scardino says: Jan 24, 2011 3:11 PM

    @burntorangehor

    I would expect A&M and OU to remain perennial figures in UT’s schedule for at least a few years. I suppose the biggest hit would be to the Big 12′s strength in general.

    In regard to legislation protecting the ‘other schools’ in the Big 12, I doubt that would be a popular move in Texas’ current political climate. Then again, you know what they say about the weather in Texas…

  13. edgy says: Jan 24, 2011 4:17 PM

    What would Texas’ current political climate have to do with anything? During the expansion talks, the Baylor alumni in the legislature pushed to have all 4 teams included in the Pac-Whatever because they said it was due to the political and economic importance of keeping the Big 12′s Texas schools together. They are as powerful now as they were when the Big-12 was formed so don’t look for them to be left out, if looks like it will hurt them.

  14. centexhorn says: Jan 24, 2011 5:03 PM

    By one idiot sportswriter? I’m sorry, I love Kirk Bohls, but sometimes he can be a read idiot. Him and Cedric Golden both. It’s like Kirk hates the University of Texas, even though he covers it 100% of his time.

  15. ukeone says: Jan 24, 2011 5:27 PM

    honolulubluefanatic said:
    “If the SEC grows you can expect the Big Ten to look to expand further and try to get Notre Dame to join.”

    I agree…they have been doing this all along. And once that happens, see the nation’s 1st 16 team league become reality, adding possibly 3 from the following: Pittsburgh (to finish the Pennsylvania TV market), Rutgers & Syracuse (for the NY market), and yes, even Missouri from this stinkin’ BEVO-ridden conference. Yes Missouri, hope this happens because this may be your big chance to jump to the BIG 10 after all.

    What strikes me more is the BIG weenie himself, commissioner Dan Beebe, can’t stop anything in its tracks because he has no backbone. Texas is getting what it wants (even though many won’t watch or buy into their stinkin’ network) because Beebe gave it to them (it’s called “submission”) & he won’t be able to keep the Big 12 (uhh “10″) at even at 8 or 9 if Texas A&M can convince Oklahoma to jump ship to the SEC. The rest of the leftovers better make some solid plans quickly or lose big time because of Texas & ESPN.

    I said it before & I’ll say it again: BEEBE is a BOOB, and a BIG one at that!

  16. ukeone says: Jan 24, 2011 5:42 PM

    Change the final comment:

    “BEEBE is a BIG BOOB the allows to get suckled by none other than BEVO himself. Somehow, the “weenie” part NOW makes better sense.

  17. Deb says: Jan 24, 2011 5:57 PM

    Oh good grief, Stairwayto7, just realized you are steelers6pack! That explains why you were on PFT slamming the SEC like some kind of nut while the rest of us were celebrating our return to the Super Bowl. Wish Mommy would keep you off the computer!!!! :roll:

  18. Deb says: Jan 24, 2011 5:59 PM

    Nothing to do with the Aggies, but for history’s sake, I’ve always wished Georgia Tech would come back into the SEC fold. Texas A&M seems a little out of the loop, geographically speaking.

  19. secedufan says: Jan 24, 2011 6:45 PM

    frug said..and I quote
    “This is all on top of the fact that Texas A&M has really worked to increase their academic reputation recently (joining the AAU in 2001 and taking part in the Education City project (wikipedia it) it would make little sense for them to join the dumb jocks of the college sports world. ”

    I hate to disappoint you friend, but the top APR scores in the Big12-11-10-9, would only rate middle of the pack n the SEC. OU’s 962 falls behind

    1)Vanderbilt: 975 OU:962

    2)Georgia: 973 Mizz:958

    3)Florida: 971 UK:952

    4)LSU: 965 Neb:950

    5)Alabama: 957 Texas:947

    Nice scores there frug.

  20. dg0122 says: Jan 24, 2011 7:18 PM

    aggy= Johnny Drama
    “Look at me! I’m important! I’m relevant!”
    Reality- you live in your bro’s spare bedroom and cook for him

  21. edgy says: Jan 24, 2011 7:40 PM

    secedufan says:

    *********************

    Except that APR has nothing to do with academics. If you’ve got a school that sends a lot of guys to the NFL EARLY, it’s going to hurt their APR. Basketball, football and baseball, have the 3 lowest APR scores and not coincidentally, they have the greatest attrition when it comes to professional sports and public universities scores significantly lower than private universities. In order to get their APR scores up, some schools steer their players to degrees that are easier to attain and really, is that what YOU would really want, if you were going to school

  22. secedufan says: Jan 24, 2011 8:07 PM

    OK…let me get this right…”Academic Progress Rates” or APR has nothing to do with academics…hmmm…OK…read that again…OK, and leaving early to go to the NFL (probably a leading cause of early departure in the SEC) causes a drop in in scores, yet take a close look at those scores again…you are on a roll dude. The scores I posted are an average of all sports,and yet the Big whatever, is still lagging behind the SEC. Do you really believe that any Big “Texas Ten” school is even close to being on par with a Vandy? Get a grip….or better, a diploma.

  23. edgy says: Jan 24, 2011 8:48 PM

    Try this again: NO, it does NOT have anything to do with it. You can have a high APR with a group of athletes that have a 2.1 GPA in basket weaving, as long as they graduate, which is the ONLY POINT to APR. Definition of APR, genius:

    The APR is calculated by allocating points for eligibility and retention — the two factors that research identifies as the best indicators of graduation. Each player on a given roster earns a maximum of two points per term, one for being academically eligible and one for staying with the institution. A team’s APR is the total points of a team’s roster at a given time divided by the total points possible. Since this results in a decimal number, the CAP decided to multiply it by 1,000 for ease of reference. Thus, a raw APR score of .925 translates into the 925 that will become the standard terminology.

    You see anything in that, which would indicate ANYTHING that has anything to do with REAL academics? If you do then you’re reading something that isn’t there. If you look at the APR of several other sports, especially those with NO professional outlet, you’ll see that they’re significantly higher than the Big 3, even at low performing schools. In order to get higher APR, schools have been jacking the system without benefiting these athletes academically. Oh and a 925 APR is considered the equivalent as a 50% graduation rate.

  24. buckeyeboy(used to be a couple of different things) says: Jan 24, 2011 8:48 PM

    lol I hate edgy, but he is exactly right

    secedufan, you are a moron lol who cares about graduation rates of athletes, that really does have no bearing on the academics for the rest of the students.

    a true rankings of “academics”, which you are so high on, would be all students academics

    +1 for edgy

  25. jeff198 says: Jan 24, 2011 9:11 PM

    I don’t see this happening. The SEC doesn’t want Texas A&M unless it includes Texas. The Aggies bring very little to the table unless Texas is part of the deal. Some Aggies seem to think they have an open invitation to the SEC but they don’t and never did; The only invitation they had was contigent on Texas or OU being part of the package and only if the Pac-16 happened. Without other Superconferences happening, the SEC isn’t interested in adding a program like A&M that brings nothing to the table revenue wise and having to split the pot with them.

    Plus, the Texas legislature will protect Texas Tech, meaning that UT won’t do anything that might harm Tech. Whatever happens, Texas, Texas Tech, and Texas A&M will end up together.

  26. Deb says: Jan 24, 2011 9:26 PM

    Five thumbs down so far for saying I’ve always wanted Georgia Tech back in the SEC and think Texas A&M is too far afield of the Southeast.

    Hmmm …

    Are you unfamiliar with SEC history? How about the words to the Alabama fight song?

    Or am I just getting a thumbs-down from Aggies fans who can’t read a map?

  27. frug says: Jan 24, 2011 9:32 PM

    @secedufan

    I actually meant to include the phrase “fair or not”
    regarding the SEC perception, that said APR is an absolutely terrible way to judge schools’ academics. Not only are they not designed as a measure of general academics, they are easily (and frequently manipulated. The most blatant example was Auburn back in 2004 when 18 members of football team took 97 hours worth direct-reading/independent study classes that didn’t require them to actually do any work which is how they managed to end up with the fourth highest APR score in the nation despite an overall graduation rate of 48%.

  28. southernpatriots says: Jan 24, 2011 9:33 PM

    Once again John Taylor wrote a piece that activates passions and bloggers! At our age you have to be concerned about blood pressure, so we are for the most part just reading, but keep it going with some great comments so far. This blog could keep going as long as NBC Sports allows it since the issues it raises won’t all be decided soon. It appears though that the new ESPN deal with Texas has thrown some monkey wrenches in alignments and have prompted discussions of re-alignments. We doubt that is what Texas envisioned when they made the agreement. Thanks again John! Another good article and some really good responses from all, well from most!

  29. edgy says: Jan 24, 2011 9:33 PM

    Deb, you should know by now that history is lost on a lot of them. :)

  30. Deb says: Jan 24, 2011 11:53 PM

    @edge …

    True. LOL And based on the goofy interaction I’ve just had on PFT with some kid from Vermont, apparently vocabulary is lost on many, too. How many different ways do I have to explain that “maybe” is not an absolute? :roll:

  31. rangenius says: Jan 25, 2011 12:16 AM

    Why do you people care so much? Try picking up a book for a change… Losers!

  32. rangenius says: Jan 25, 2011 12:20 AM

    Who cares about academics, just win football games baby!

  33. southernpatriots says: Jan 25, 2011 8:05 AM

    Deb: It is not just kids, sad to say. Some comments on some blogs are eliminated quickly be the moderators because they become personal attacks, instead of intellectual discussions. Sports are entertainment and the overwhelming majority of those participating in college sports will not earn a living playing them at a professional level. Most are from poor backgrounds and the education they obtain through the scholarships and matriculation will serve them throughout their lives, helping themselves, their parents and siblings and future family. We have assisted many of these high school student-athletes in college and see the great benefits of a good education for their futures. (it may improve their vocabularies also.)

  34. Deb says: Jan 25, 2011 8:29 AM

    @rangenius …

    So says the guy whose usual contribution is to a discussion is far less intellectual than “losers.” Crawl back under your rock.

    @Southernpatriots …

    Yes, hon, thank you for that lovely lecture on the place of sport in affording opportunities to underpriviledged kids in modern American society. But that has nothing to do with my little comment edgy about dealing with a smart ass on PFT. We’re not usually interacting with athletes here. And I communicate personally with the moderators, so I’m pretty clear about what they block. They’re okay with the word maybe.

    How you and rangenius managed to take an offhand comment to edgy at the end of a thread and turn it into some sort of wide-ranging social commentary … well, is probably how some idiot from Vermont managed to take the word maybe and turn it into a loooooong diatribe.

    Geez, do all you guys have your periods at the same time? :roll:

  35. Deb says: Jan 25, 2011 8:32 AM

    JT …

    Is this weirdness my imagination … or are you punking me because we’re going to the Super Bowl? ;)

  36. southernpatriots says: Jan 25, 2011 8:54 AM

    Keep a little perspective. Education is paramount to get these young people out of the cycle their families have been in for generations. We enjoy the football and other sports and attend the games throughout the nation as we are able, hundreds over the past five decades. We have health and bodily concerns due to past injuries but are not equipped to have periods. Blogging can be thought provoking, informative, and entertaining, and need not be abusive.

  37. Deb says: Jan 25, 2011 9:49 AM

    southernpatriots, I made a joke to edgy and you have jumped in lecturing me with WACKADOODLE NONSENSE about educating young people and poverty. WTF are talking about?????????? What does that have to do with my joke to edgy about something that has NOT an EFFing thing to do with YOU?????? ARE YOU INSANE????? HIGH???? WHAT?????

    AND BABY, I SPENT FOUR+ YEARS LIVING IN THE PROJECTS IN A WAR ZONE. I don’t need you to talk to me about poverty. And as a three-time cancer survivor, I don’t need you to talk to me about health concerns. And I CAN’T BELIEVE your thought I was serious about the FRICKIN’ PERIOD.

    GEEZ … I’ve had a two-day migraine, made a joke back to a guy who was joking to me and wound up in conversation with DATA, the guy who has no HUMOR CHIP.

    GO AWAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

    JT, this is not funny!!! How much are you paying this guy to punk me????

  38. southernpatriots says: Jan 25, 2011 10:11 AM

    Deb: You’re sad. Why don’t you go away? You think you’re the only one with humor? You can’t understand dry humor yourself. We spent years fighting for the freedom of those who could not and living a war zones, and that’s not humor, it is fact.

  39. Deb says: Jan 25, 2011 10:20 AM
  40. irontiger72 says: Jan 25, 2011 10:28 AM

    I don’t believe that Oklahoma is an option for A&M to bring to the SEC. I believe the only other Big Whatever school that would be willing to go that gives the SEC anything would be Missouri. They have a good geographical footprint (ie new TV markets), neighbor Ark and Tenn, plus they were slapped around pretty good by the whole Big 10 expansion talks.

  41. Deb says: Jan 25, 2011 10:42 AM

    War … yeah, there’s a subject for dry humor. No one was talking to you southerpatriots. And no one was talking about war or poverty or athletes or any of the other stuff you’ve been haranguing about. You’re tripping and I wish you’d find someone else to target. I didn’t do or say anything to you. My comment to edgy didn’t concern you or have anything remotely to do with the stuff you’re carrying on about. Sometimes people don’t feel up to being dragged into your drama just because you feel up to picking a fight over nothing.

  42. sprizzle2182 says: Jan 25, 2011 10:45 AM

    This would be interesting….it would make for some great SEC games…and not too mention it would bring even more recruits from TX to the SEC…it would certainly hurt some of the SEC schools…like Vandy and Kentucky….making it even harder for them to appear in bowl games and compete for recruits…im kind of on the fence about it, but I def don’t see TX being too worried about it…they have their own network now…they obviously don’t care too much about what happens to the rest of the conference…

  43. WingT says: Jan 25, 2011 11:39 AM

    @Deb
    I like to straighten you out on several things you posted above – especially regarding Edgy….just kidding, I couldn’t help myself, lol

    Seriously, Texas A & M to the SEC would be great for recruiting but I see your point about geography. I personally would prefer that the SEC never expands – I like it the way it is. But in this day and age of chasing the almighty dollar I could see expansion in the future – maybe we could convince Florida St to come on over also,

  44. buckeyeboy(used to be a couple of different things) says: Jan 25, 2011 11:41 AM

    southerpatriots is the only person on here that will make random, and completely moronic statements lol

    he doesn’t know how to post in a blog, I mean just look at his other posts. Every single one starts off with the topic then turns into a rant about how great LSU is and how great they will be next year, finished off by geaux tigers……..

    I mean really dude, geaux? That’s like a sad joke that sucked in the beginning and still sucks now lol

    I’m siding with deb on this one lol

  45. secedufan says: Jan 25, 2011 1:02 PM

    OK there edgy, I didn’t mean to get into a “my school is better than your” but if you insist:
    According to most all of the university rankings I could find, with US News being the easist to access, the rankings of the top 200 ACADEMIC universitite in the country only has 6 of the current BigWhatever schools listed, while all 12 of SEC schools are listed in that top 200. Rice is tied with Vanderbilt at the 17 slot, followed by Texas at #45. Here’s the list if you want to read it:

    Rice& Vandy 17
    Texas 45
    Florida 53
    Georgia 56
    A&M 63
    Baylor 79
    Bama 79
    Auburn 85
    Tennessee 104
    Oklahoma & South Carolina 111
    LSU 124
    Kentucky 129
    KSU & Arkansas 132
    Ole Miss 143
    Miss St 151
    Texas Tech 159

    I couldn’t find Okie Lite, Missouri, Kansas, or the rest of the Big Whatever….I wonder where they fall into these rankings??
    these are academic rankings based on graduation rates, fields of study, class ratios, post graduation job findings, and gues what else….grades. What a revelation to the Big Whatever, that grades actually account for something inthe SEC after all! Football ain’t all we do good. See ya in the national championship game chump….or you’ll see us anyway.

  46. southernpatriots says: Jan 25, 2011 1:26 PM

    secedufan: Thank you for the research and info. We thought we knew this but without your scholarship. Thank to you, we now have the evidence which backs up our assertions. Our friends who are dentists and doctors (from Vanderbilt) will be crowing about this when they hear it because they have told us the generalities of it over the years! Thanks again!

  47. thedealreal says: Jan 25, 2011 2:11 PM

    TAMU and OU to the SEC would be great for them and the SEC. Too bad for the ACC and Big East schools that wanted in.

    As for the Big 12, I think it could still get by with TAMU and OU and even without Texas, but changes would need to be made like revenue sharing and adding some schools in the area with large enrollments (eg Houston, Colorado State, New Mexico). The conference would become comparable to the Big East, but at least it would survive.

  48. thedealreal says: Jan 25, 2011 2:21 PM

    @WingT, a lot of the schools that are a better fit geographically and athletically for the SEC in the Big East and ACC are blocked by their in state rivals. South Carolina would block Clemson from joining. UF would block FSU. Kentucky would block Lousiville. UGA would block GT. That leaves the North Carolina and Virginia schools.

  49. southernpatriots says: Jan 25, 2011 2:23 PM

    This realignment will change our travel schedules, but we have family and friends in OK and in Texas so that would nice to see them more often. The only place we do not like to travel to is to Oxford, MS. I think it is genetic or in the blood…we’re from a long line of LSU alums stretching back to the early 1900s and that is about how long there has been a fierce rivalry between LSU and Ole Miss. We would really like OK and/or TAMU to join the SEC and though this just may be bluster, it would make sense since there is already revenue sharing and a strong identification. The media attention given to the SEC each year is more than just about all other conferences combined because there is usually 1, 2 or 3 teams in the top 10 or so and some very interesting match ups as a normal SEC schedule. We see this especially when we travel to the West Coast, Pacific Northwest, North Central, etc. Even in the rabid atmosphere of South Bend, so many there are usually discussing some SEC team (along with “Our Mother” of course!). The SEC in its present configuration is the conversation around the college football world in the U.S. With the addition of OK and/or TAMU how much more so will it be the talk of the media and college football fans?

  50. WingT says: Jan 25, 2011 2:44 PM

    @thedealreal
    Interesting. Why would South Carolina, Georgia or Florida want to block rival in state schools from joining? I’m not challanging what you say, just trying to understand it.

  51. edgy says: Jan 25, 2011 3:23 PM

    secedufan says:

    OK there edgy,

    ************************

    And you haven’t yet. I’m not a Big 12 fan so you’re talking to yourself about all this crap. All I pointed out was how STUPID your use of APR as some kind of standard of academic achievement and you’ve moved stepped into it by bringing up the US News list, which has NOTHING to do with ACADEMIC achievement when it comes to “student” athletes.

    Skill positions players, even quarterbacks, tend to gravitate toward communications or other easy “degrees” while linemen go for more meaningful degrees. By and large, athletes actually graduate at a higher rate than the average student at any university and a lot of that has to do with these guys getting full scholarships, which doesn’t happen to most “other” students. Also, some schools have professors that actually bend over backwards. My sister had a freshman psychology class that all the athletes took because the guy that ran it gave you 5 points for every day that you showed up and that accounted for 60% of your grade. The final exam was 25 questions long and it had 4 multiple choice answers and you wrote 4 in the one that you thought was the most correct, 3 in the second most correct, etc. Whatever the correct answer was, you got that many points. That counted for 25% of your grade and no one ever flunked it or the course. The lowest grade they had, when she took the class, was a guy who got a C+ because he didn’t show up on most Fridays because it was his last class and he left for home early so he could beat the traffic heading out of town and everyone else got at least a B. The school had a very good academic record but they didn’t take chances with their athletes becoming ineligible. The average athlete had a significantly higher GPA than the average non-athlete but they weren’t any smarter and it wasn’t because they were getting tutoring because the tutors rarely had to earn their money.

    You can talk academics until the cows come home but unless you’re looking at guys in the Ivy Leagues or the more prestigious private universities, you’re going to find that athletes have varying degrees of real success and a lot of that has to do with the coach. If he wants you to do well and get real degree, he’ll try to get you all the help that you’ll need to stay eligible but it’s up to you to use those resources.. If he just wants you to stay eligible, he’ll find a class or a field that is easy enough for you to pass. Yes, you could go to a school that’s 30th on the US News list and get a degree in basket weaving but does that really help you if you aren’t one of the lucky ones that have a professional career waiting for you after you “graduate” from the school?

  52. frug says: Jan 25, 2011 3:33 PM

    @secedufan

    UC – 86 (But leaving)
    ISU – 94
    Mizzou – 94
    KU – 104
    UNL – 104 (But leaving)
    OSU – 132

    So yeah they’re all one there, but that isn’t really change the point that leaving wouldn’t actually help their academic reputation, at best it wouldn’t hurt it.

    (Of course this all simply speculation since as I pointed in my previous post there is no way A&M is going to join the SEC even if they wanted to)

  53. Deb says: Jan 25, 2011 3:44 PM

    @WingT and buckeyeboy …

    Peeked back in here and spotted SANE people. Thank God. They must smoke some wicked stuff in the Bayou. Thanks, buckeyeboy–someone else put me wise, too. Could kill edgy for leaving me alone in here with stone cold crazy. lol Apologies for going off the rails–especially with the language–but have had a migraine for two days and just couldn’t manage the usual tongue-in-cheek comeback.

    No, WingT, it’s the Southeastern Conference. Texas is too far west. Besides, I’m concerned about the baggage that comes with Texas schools. For the sake of our history, I’d like to bring back Georgia Tech if they could become the powerhouse they once were. However, thedealreal may be right about UGA taking issue with that. Does anyone know what the voting requirement is for a school to be admitted?

    Sure, I’d like to see Florida State in the SEC. That would bring us another great rivalry like Alabama/Auburn and Mississippi/Mississippi State. But I don’t think FSU would come into the SEC. Competition is too stiff.

    But I’m of the “if it ain’t broke” mindset. And it ain’t. So why do we need to expand?

    @irontiger72 …

    Missouri? As with Texas, the fact that it seceded is the only thing that aligns Missouri to the southeast. Though I was raised on the Tide and am a Tide fan through and through, I’m a Mizzou grad and would love to see the school in a better place than Texas/Oklahoma World. But just don’t think the SEC makes sense.

  54. edgy says: Jan 25, 2011 3:47 PM

    BTW, as an example, Jay Cutler went to Vanderbilt and graduated with a BA in human and organizational development. What is that? According to Vanderbilt: The Human and Organizational Development (HOD) major is designed to prepare you for a successful career focused on finding solutions to human problems in businesses, organizations, and communities. The HOD philosophy emphasizes the importance of connecting academic knowledge and theories to personal and professional practice.

    I don’t have the core requirements for when he was there but here are the current ones:

    While I’m sure that this can be a hard field, I invite you to look it over and see how easy it is to get the core requirements out of the way without having a lot of difficult subjects.

  55. Deb says: Jan 25, 2011 3:55 PM

    @edge …

    “the importance of connecting academic knowledge and theories to personal and professional practice.”

    Guess they didn’t get into the theory that perception is more important than reality. Or if they did, apparently poor Jay did not learn how to connect that theory to personal and professional practice.

  56. WingT says: Jan 25, 2011 5:06 PM

    @Deb
    Take a couple of shots of bourbon – that headache will go away, lol

    BTW, your Steelers looked good Sunday – really ran the ball well. Should be a great super bowl but I have to pull for Greenbay – Charlie Peprah rolls tide you know :)

  57. frug says: Jan 25, 2011 5:14 PM

    As with Texas, the fact that it seceded is the only thing that aligns Missouri to the southeast…

    Missouri was a slave state but it’s disputed as to whether or not it actually seceded. A vote of secession did pass, but it is unclear whether or not a true quorum was present at the vote, to say nothing of whether or not the legislature even had the authority under the state constitution to seceded. Records of the vote were lost at some point, which eventually led to rival governments being set up with both the USA and CSA claiming the state was under their authority. A similar situation took place in Kentucky, but unlike Kentucky (which came to side with the Union after the Confederacy invaded the state) Missouri continued to be disputed as both sides fought for power.

    (Not that any of this is relevant to your post, just thought for accuracy’s purpose I should throw this up)

  58. Deb says: Jan 25, 2011 8:37 PM

    @frug …

    Yes, I’m familiar with Missouri’s fractured history. I’m a longtime civil rights advocate, but also a Southern girl and going to school there was my first time living outside the traditional South. But I decided it was okay because I could still find restaurants that served grits ;)

    @WingT …

    Once upon a time, that would have been my choice of headache remedy … but I gave it up. Alas, there’s no Jack in the pantry LOL

    Don’t give me that Green Bay nonsense. Anthony Madison plays for the Steelers and is an integral component on our special teams squad. So you can root for us and still Roll Tide :)

  59. thedealreal says: Jan 26, 2011 2:21 AM

    @WingT

    The SEC pays out more than the ACC and way more than the Big East. If UGA, UK, UF, and USC keep their rivals out of the conference, they can maintain their advantage. If they have more money they can hire better coaches and build better facilities.

  60. brandonekennedy says: Jan 26, 2011 12:38 PM

    BCS Administrators should be put in jail. Bill Hancock should be tarred and feather for committing a felony offense that violates the Nation’s Federal Laws.

    Washington State Senate
    Senator Lisa Brown
    3rd Legislative District
    Senate Majority Leader
    Spokane, WA 99201

    Dear Senator Brown:

    This responds to the December 22, 2010 meeting with Public Policy advisor Marcus Riccelli. Mr. Riccelli asked me to provide information on my primary objective during the 112th Congress. An official petition, antitrust complaints, and State Rule of Reason litigation against the University of Washington and Washington State University and other efforts will be taken to complete the objective to convince the Department of Justice (DOJ) to sue the Association of Conferences for lack to respond to consumer preference by not implementing a less-restrictive alternative for the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) event.

    The Kennedy Proposal (KP) is an expansion package that would afford a National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) playoff structure while ensuring the BCS met its stated objective. Assistant Attorney General Ronald Wiech responded to Senator Orrin Hatch’s (R-UT) letter to President Barack Obama asking for a DOJ investigation into the BCS for violation under the antitrust laws, stating they may ask a government or non-governmental entity or commission to study the benefits, costs, and feasibility of a playoff system.

    If the KP is feasible, the option for the DOJ to sue the BCS and NCAA for post-season broadcasting rights and post-season gate revenues is available. Mr. Hancock says financial inducements will not lead to changes but the ESCROW account he manages does not have the revenues to pay 30 years of damages and 90 years of monetary fees.

    If the KP were implemented, Texas Christian University (TCU) could have hosted and beat Ohio State in a 2nd round game, loss a nail biter to Oregon in a NCAA Semi-final in Eugene but Purple Nation would still have the opportunity to say, “We’re Rose Bowl Champions”. TCU Quarterback Andy Dalton said playing in the Rose Bowl game was a “dream come true”. The ambience of New Year’s Day and the San Gabriel Mountains will continue to breathe and the opportunity to win the College Super Bowl would be born with the implementation of the KP.

    Senator Brown, after the conclusion of last night’s game, the promotion, marketing, advertising, and competitive process for the 2012 BCS National Championship Game began. Mr. Hancock and the NCAA continue to deny and block the KP. We feel Congress could throw a stone and address this issue by inviting Mr. Hancock, the Conference Commissioners, Chairman Spanier, President Emmert, and Chairman Ray to testify about the Kennedy Proposal.

    Sincerely,

    Brandon E. Kennedy Jesse T. Wenzl
    Executive Director of the KP Coalition 2nd Member of KP Coalition

  61. kryan74 says: Feb 3, 2011 7:10 PM

    I don’t believe that Oklahoma is an option for A&M to bring to the SEC. I believe the only other Big Whatever school that would be willing to go that gives the SEC anything would be Missouri. They have a good geographical footprint (ie new TV markets), neighbor Ark and Tenn, plus they were slapped around pretty good by the whole Big 10 expansion talks.
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    Yes, because Oklahoma does not also border Arkansas. Great point.

    Wow

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