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New HOF inductee Lloyd Carr chimes in on NCAA enforcement woes

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Well, it looks like former Michigan coaches Lloyd Carr and Rich Rodriguez have something in common after all.

Roughly six weeks ago, Rodriguez, who was three months fresh off his own axing in Ann Arbor, said on “Real Sports With Bryant Gumbel” that the NCAA was understaffed and “a little misguided“. The quotes, of course, came from a now infamous episode supposedly exposing some dirty deeds at Ohio State and Auburn.

Carr, who was introduced as part of the 2011 College Football Hall of Fame class earlier today, echoed his successor’s concerns about the NCAA, but did not address specific issues regarding his long time rival, Jim Tressel, who is currently vest-deep in NCAA allegations.

“I know it’s a difficult time because the issues are serious, but it’ll be up to the NCAA to find out what did and did not happen,” Carr said.”And they need to do a better job in my judgment.

“If you’re going to have a system that the public, the fans, respect and buy into, you better have a way of making sure those people who are violating the rules don’t prosper. You’ve got to invest the money to have investigators and whatever else you need.”

Carr ran a squeaky-clean program at Michigan and the five major allegations reported by the NCAA under Rodriguez were the first committed by the Wolverines’ football program.

But Carr doesn’t believe — nor should he — that everyone else will follow the rules because of “ample evidence, down through the years that some people are not self-reporting.”

(Big thanks: Detroit News)

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8 Responses to “New HOF inductee Lloyd Carr chimes in on NCAA enforcement woes”
  1. ladyhuckleberry says: May 18, 2011 2:00 AM

    The NCAA’s becoming a bigger joke than what the owners of the NFL are. Give me a break. They want to enforce policy on one but not on another. How the hell does that make sense? I may be a female but you tell me how a bunch of men can sit around and make policies and show favoritism and I’ll show you a group of women who can make decisions and stick by em. For the love of football get your act together if you ever want to accomplish anything worthwhile.

  2. polegojim says: May 18, 2011 12:27 PM

    NCAA may lack discipline – male or female, but IMO the real issue here is the ridiculous effort to manage every ‘life’s move’ with a Big Brother syndrome.

    In an effort to ‘prove’ itself a legitimate governing body, the NCAA has made ‘hang nail’ rules and then enforce and manage them.

    Buying players/money/cars – I get that part.

    But, beyond that there was nothing wrong with the College Football image or brand 20 years ago before most of this minutia and meddling.

    Back Off NCAA, just Back Off.

  3. cosanostra71 says: May 18, 2011 12:54 PM

    NCAA’s policies are outdated. They need major reform.

  4. edgy says: May 18, 2011 2:04 PM

    I have to wonder if any of the NCAA’s biggest critics here have a clue as to WHY the organization exists, in the first place. The tournament and playoffs and all that other crap are just things that were added but it’s MAIN reason for existence is the ENFORCEMENT of rules so that things are on an even footing for all schools. This was a reaction to the fact that Teddy Roosevelt seriously considered shutting down college football because of the violence and the fact that so many players had died because of play and none of these schools were doing anything about it or even trying to enforce eligibility. In response, the schools came together to save the game from itself and not only started working on rules to govern play BUT also eligibility, which had been a joke (For anyone who has ever seen one of those old black and white movies that show what you think is a comedy about ringers — that was basically art imitating life and one of the big reasons why schools in the Ivy League began to deemphasize sports). If the NCAA didn’t come down on these schools, it could be even worse and that includes the bottom of the “Big” leagues.

    FYI, I invite anyone who still doesn’t understand what a ROGUE school is and how out of control that it can get and why it might deserve the Death Penalty to watch the 30 for 30 special about SMU. In the end, their students rose up but they let it slide for many years before they finally took a stand. There were very few innocents and in the end, SMU paid the price but they deserved every bit of punishment that they got.

  5. polegojim says: May 18, 2011 7:05 PM

    Yes, I understand. I watched the SMU debacle unfold. The rogue school got what it had coming. I don’t feel sorry for SMU. Self-governement and the system worked.

    I’m all for enforcement of rules. I’m against the degree to which ‘rules’ have been taken.

    They’ve taken what began as good, and created a micro-managing monster.

    ‘So, we must SAVE the schools from themselves, save them I say, purge them, and sprinkle them with the holy water blessed by the NCAA.’ Creating rules for every possible eventuality reduces the process to a joke. That’s where we are. Now we’re going to have a whole NEW set of rules for Bowl Games. It’s out of control.

    When the rule books are thicker than a playbook, it has become ridiculous.

  6. edgy says: May 19, 2011 12:28 AM

    polegojim says:


    The reason WHY is because you come up with a rule and some genius comes up with a way around them (Does Cecil Newton ring a bell?). The NCAA has been forced into this by the fact that they’re trying to keep the “amateur” in amateur athletics. If they could be like the NFL, the rule book would be about 20 pages long, with most of those dealing on field play.

  7. polegojim says: May 19, 2011 11:46 AM

    That’s my point exactly edgy – whatever the motive and actual intent, there will ALWAYS be those who find a way around it.

    Trying to create enough rules to stop that is like trying to catch the wind in your hands.

    It’s a futile attempt and in the end you just look silly trying.

  8. edgy says: May 19, 2011 12:04 PM

    so, is it your contention that they just give up and go home? That might be what the agents and boosters want but let’s be real here. Hell, if you were to actually look at the penal code for your state, you’d find laws that are still on the books from the 1800s that have no relevance to what’s going on today and the fact is, they write new laws daily so THEY understand the reasoning behind having to enforce laws that you might feel trivial or not worth pursuing. .

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