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SEC commish Slive prepares oversigning legislation

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Georgia coach Mark Richt thinks it’s awful. South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier can’t get enough of it. And SEC commissioner Mike Slive won’t say what he thinks about it.

Nevertheless, the act of oversigning and grayshirting recruits has become a very polarizing issue in both the SEC and college football (but mainly the SEC) and Slive is now apparently determined to settle the matter once and for all.

Initial details are sketchy, but Slive has reportedly finished writing conference legislation that, at least in some way, would affect the the practice of oversigning. Whether the package supports oversigning, regulates it or abolishes it, though, Slive wouldn’t say.

Nor would he comment on how he personally feels about the controversial act.

“There will be action because (the proposals) will come forth as proposed legislation for the presidents, the AD’s and the other groups to opine on. But I feel good about them,” Slive said. “So I think the goal is to make sure that our prospective student-athletes are treated in a way that is as they should be treated, like students are treated. And I think this package does that.”

Slive also said the package legislation addresses total “roster management” for SEC programs. After Ole Miss coach signed 37 recruits a few years ago, the SEC regulated that no school could sign more than 28 recruits with 25 enrolling in the fall (i.e. the Houston Nutt Rule).

“It’s a question of oversigning, grayshirting, early admissions, summer school admission. We’ve put together what we call a bit of a package to address these issues, that will give our people a chance to think about these issues in a more global fashion.”

Voting will take place during the upcoming SEC league meetings in Destin, Florida.

(Thank you: Bulldogs Blog)

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41 Responses to “SEC commish Slive prepares oversigning legislation”
  1. WingT says: May 18, 2011 9:01 PM

    This is excellent news. This is a piece of legislation that has been needed for a long time.

  2. southernpatriots says: May 18, 2011 9:36 PM

    WingT: We agree!

    If the SEC gets a handle on this abuse it will take away the criticism that other conferences make against the SEC. Other conferences, and in particular, other top 10 teams from other conferences use this issue to explain why the SEC is now dominant. Take the issue away, the other teams and conferences won’t have that issue any longer.

  3. bamasucks says: May 18, 2011 9:57 PM

    agreed southernpatriots,

    whatever it takes to get people to stop crying about it. it’s not like teams are signing 30 players, and then encouraging the bottom 5 to transfer or take a medical redshirt(other than Saban and Nutt, maybe). there’s no getting around the 25/85 rule, so anyone that thinks that the SEC is taking an advantage of a loophole is kidding themselves.

    in most cases, the inflated numbers come from HCs that are signing recruits that are definitely going the juco/prep school route, with the hopes of resigning them when they can get their eligibility issues in order. Tuberville was notorious for doing this when he was at Auburn. i was never a fan of taking this approach, so i’m more than okay with Slive stepping in and doing something.

  4. WingT says: May 18, 2011 10:16 PM

    This will also remove all the whining and crying from some of the SEC fans, such as bamasucks.

    roll tide

  5. rolltide510 says: May 18, 2011 10:37 PM

    “So I think the goal is to make sure that our prospective student-athletes are treated in a way that is as they should be treated, like students are treated.”

    You know how students are treated? They get scholarships yanked when they don’t meet the requirements of the scholarship.

  6. Deb says: May 18, 2011 11:23 PM

    Nutt took it too far, but I don’t have a problem with coaches bringing in 25-28 players to compete for 20 scholarship slots. Entry into an elite athletic program isn’t a given. It should be understood that you’ll have to fight for your place, whether the expectation is a free $50,000 education or an opportunity to fight every day of your career for a shot in the pros.

    But if clarification from Slive will shut up hypocritical whiners who care more about the competitive dominance of a school or conference than any grayshirted kid … then, yeah, let’s clarify.

  7. bamasucks says: May 19, 2011 5:05 AM

    WingT says: May 18, 2011 10:16 PM

    This will also remove all the whining and crying from some of the SEC fans, such as bamasucks.

    roll tide

    here’s a question for you WingT. who is the only HC in the SEC that refuses to make his scholarship numbers public? i’ll even spot you an S, a couple of As, a B, and an N to help you come up with the answer.

    don’t act like Alabama isn’t notorious for medical hardships and kicking players off of the team for the mysterious ‘violation of team rules”. i’m pretty sure that one of Saban’s ‘team rules” is that you better be on the two deep by your Soph year or you’ll be looking for another school to play for.

  8. blitz4848 says: May 19, 2011 9:24 AM

    I am a big time SEC an butthis vote will embarrass the SEC.

    The vote will be 7-5 against changing status quo.
    Alabama and LSU will lead the oversigning gang and Florida and Georgia will lead the do away with it group.

    The breakdown is by divisions. ALL 6 of the SEC West teams, Bama, LSU, Miss, Miss St, Ark & Auburn plus SEC East South Carolina and Spurrier are for continuing the practice of hoarding players, Period!!!!

    As a Gator I am proud our school president is leading the way in doing away with this practice and hopefully Slive can bully Saban and his group into signing only 85 rather than a secret number as Saban refuses to even reveal the number he signs as he HIDES behind student privacy which is BS!

    The SEC doesn’t need this issue to be thrown in our face every year and should not be afraid to use the same guidelines that most of the rest of the big time conferences sign players by!!!!!

  9. lakesidegator says: May 19, 2011 10:21 AM

    Maybe, after this, those West teams won’t beat my Gators ever again. (Well, one can always HOPE, can’t one?)

  10. southernpatriots says: May 19, 2011 10:37 AM

    lakesidegator: There is always hope!

    Even if, and we hope they will, come up with a plan or rule, it probably will not affect play or anything but will make the coaches and coaching staffs work a little harder to earn their huge money and choose players wisely. After all, that is the responsibility of the coaches, and the players should not penalized for their poor choices.

    It will be very good to have this issue settled and no longer a controversy used by other conferences to bash the SEC.

  11. edgy says: May 19, 2011 11:01 AM

    Of course, this won’t help the Big 10 since a lot of the guys that are over-signed are borderline on eligibility and end up in JUCO, anyway. Once they put in their time, it’s back to the SEC. Seriously, as much as we’ve heard from the Big 10 guys about academics, they keep whining about over-signing as if the SEC is denying them some good recruits when they would have never signed them in the first place because of academics.

  12. edgy says: May 19, 2011 1:43 PM

    BTW, I thought I’d go freaky here: :)

    With the new season approaching, I thought I’d give my take on it:

    ACC (Championship game) – Florida State vs Virginia Tech. A rematch of last year and Tech wins again.

    Big-12 – Oklahoma.

    Big East (For now) – West Virginia. Soon and for centuries to come: TCU.

    Big 10 (Championship game) – Nebraska vs Ohio State.

    Pac-12 (Championship game) – Oregon vs Arizona State (Should have been Oregon vs Stanford but they didn’t take my scheduling advice and moved the Northern Cal teams instead).

    SEC (Championship game) – Georgia vs LSU.

    The biggest thing about the SEC is that they have so many questions about QB that it’s going to be one of the toughest conferences to handicap but I think that there are several teams that have too many question marks for them to be in the hunt. If SC can get Garcia back and his head is on straight, I’d give them the nod but Georgia looked like a far different team by the end of the year. I think that experience for LSU is the edge because I believe that Alabama could do it but they have to get a QB up and running and that could cost them a game and enough to give LSU the West.

    Sorry but I think that the SEC run is over. Too many teams that could knock each other off and I don’t see an undefeated team in the bunch. However, I do see two BCS teams that could run the table and while they may not be the best in the country, that should be good enough: OU vs UO with Oregon taking the title. Oklahoma is going to start at the top of the polls and Oregon won’t be too far behind. Once they start racking up wins, I don’t see them giving up position. I think that TCU can come up with a QB and stave off Boise for the BCS Buster but again, no way that they get the human voters to kick them up enough.

  13. blitz4848 says: May 19, 2011 2:06 PM

    Edgy…..the Sooners travel to Tallahassee to play FSU Sept 17 and that will be the end of their “running the table”.

    Also the Noles will win the ACC this yr as they are loaded, much better than VaTech and all tough conference games are at home this yr.

  14. grudenthediva says: May 19, 2011 2:40 PM

    LOL at the people who think Urban never oversigned.

  15. Deb says: May 19, 2011 2:42 PM

    This isn’t going to stop the Big 10 from bashing the SEC. The Big 10 will continue to bash the SEC as long as the SEC dominates the sport. The guys who fancy themselves “leaders” and “legends,” or whatever self-aggrandizing adjectives we’re using today, can’t cope with the reality of being second or third best among football conferences.

    And as edgy said, they’re whining about kids they’d never have signed in the first place–and screwing those kids out of the opportunity to compete for a chance they won ‘t have now. It’s ridiculous. The only thing more ridiculous is the insufferable piety of the Florida, Georgia, and (pardon me while I try not to choke on the laughter) Auburn fans joining in this sanctimonious nonsense.

  16. blitz4848 says: May 19, 2011 3:07 PM

    The only thing more ridiculous is the insufferable piety of the Florida, Georgia, and (pardon me while I try not to choke on the laughter) Auburn fans joining in this sanctimonious nonsense.

    Deb….wow “insufferable piety” you have out done yourself!

    The Gators have had more than their share of arrests and the internal punishment has not always been what it should have been and most Gators were embarrassed by that situation.

    The Gators are very much against oversigning and if NOONE in the SEC does it then it will be a level recruiting playing field since no other major conference oversigns.

    I can only believe that in your blind loyalty to Bama and Saban you choose to support oversigning “especially” since Saban is the grand master manipulator at abusing oversigning.

    It is obvious that since LSU and Bama thrive on doing this, “NOW” Ole Miss, Arkansas, Auburn
    and Miss St have ramped up the oversigning to stay competitive in the SEC West.

    Now that the SEC West is dominant in the SEC it just makes sense that they should do away with this rather than bring so much unnecessary criticism from around the country. This has the potential to be divisive in our own conference since it breaks down as East vs West.

    Why would these schools want to give the appearance that oversigning is why they are and have been so successful?

  17. Deb says: May 19, 2011 4:26 PM

    @blitz4848 …

    As far as I know Spurrier is the king of oversigning, and last I checked, he was in the SEC East. Saban signed 22 this year–three under the 25-28 allowed by the SEC. Georgia signed 25. I don’t know how many Urban oversigned because when I brought it up, you quoted the Florida President’s comments from April after Urban had left.

    I’m not shy about sharing my unedited opinions whether or not they’re popular or in line with the opinions of my team or fellow fans, so I don’t know why you keep ignoring my comments to assume this is a Bama-based thing for me. It’s not. Again, while I think Nutt and Spurrier have taken it too far, I have no problem with oversigning by 25-28 players. In fact, I think that level of oversigning is desireable and healthy for both teams and players.

    It’s unfathomable that you’d bring in 20 players for 20 scholarships and all 20 would make the team zip-a-dee-doo-dah! You’re going to have people who lack the discipline, academic ability, work ethic, emotional wherewithal, physical strength, personal commitment, etc., to make the team. That gives these other young men the opportunity to step into those spots if they’re there. Or they may be almost good enough. They can slide back to JUCO for a semester or a year and get another shot at playing for a Div IA school.

    Or we can stop oversigning and they can go immediately to Podunk U and never be heard from again.

    As long as there’s a legitimate shot at making the team, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain! So it’s not a guaranteed spot? None of those second-, third-, and fourth-round draft picks have a guaranteed spot with their pro teams either, and I don’t hear any whining about that. It’s a competitive world–especially for athletes. No one hands you a spot on the team or a free $50,000 education. You want it? FIGHT FOR IT.

    Don’t know about you, but I had to overcome some obstacles to get my degree and for everything that’s come since. If they can’t fight to make the college team, they can kiss any hope at the pros good-bye.

    And yes, being able to replace players who didn’t work out makes teams more competitive. It’s a multi-billion-dollar business. To me, recruiting enough players to get the job done is a perfectly appropriate way to be competitive.

  18. southernpatriots says: May 19, 2011 4:46 PM

    Deb: Good reasoning and we agree with a few extra players, just eliminate the excesses of Nutt and Spurrier. We think that Coach Miles of LSU signed 23 this year.

    My daughter meets with her attorney within minutes. Her attorney requests prayer for God to give him revelation on how to win this case for her and her family. She is quite nervous but knowing that she fights for her career and for her family.

    The flood waters of the Mississippi are flowing through south LA at this time. There is less flooding they thought it would be due to the dry earth (like your area in Florida) but many are now homeless and without businesses.

    Thank all for your prayers.

  19. Deb says: May 19, 2011 6:00 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    Thank you. Since pro ball gets the lion’s share of my attention, I’ve just recently become aware of the controversy about the oversigning issue. Other than Ben’s mention of Nutt’s excesses in this article, I’ve only checked the signing numbers for this year. That’s how I know Spurrier is out there and Saban is well within the boundaries. If Nick’s gone overboard in previous years, I’d say the same of him that I’m saying of Spurrier: Rein it in. But I still feel the SEC needs to keep the current caps in place. If the other conferences don’t like it, that’s their issue. It’s a competitive sport, and there’s no reason kids shouldn’t compete for their spot.

    As to your daughter’s situation, remember that even when prayers aren’t answered as we’d like, things can still work out to our benefit. Don’t lose heart. Things will work out for your daughter’s family one way or another.

    We had a nice shower last week, but it’s the only one in some time. Our ground could handle a good soaking. I’m glad yours had been able to take more flooding than was anticipated, though I know it’s small comfort. It has been such a hard season for those in the region. If you haven’t seen it yet, here’s an excellent article from SI on the Tuscaloosa tornadoes …

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1186008/1/index.htm

  20. southernpatriots says: May 19, 2011 6:30 PM

    Deb: Thank you for the comfort and encouragement. My daughter is trying to fight this and is at this moment with her attorney. We hope and pray he finds a way to win this for her and her family.

    The article on the Tuscaloosa tornadoes you sent the link to brought great lumps in my throat and tears to my eyes. It is hard to imagine, only if you have been through something similar is it possible.

    The oversigning is not a problem usually but can be abused as you noted. If the SEC comes back with some good sense parameters and allows some overages for the reasons you detailed. Not to allow some would not make sense in the world we are in today.

    Thank you again. Thank you for being there. Thank you for your counsel and encouragement and most importantly…thank you for your prayers.

  21. WingT says: May 19, 2011 7:23 PM

    @bamasucks and Blitz and all the other whiners,
    I find it amazing that each of you has such detailed knowledge of reasons why Saban decided to gray shirt players. His medical team makes the call on whether a player gets a medical and I am sure each of you has the details on those cases as well.

    Name one of those Alabama players that has complained about it.

    Oh and Blitz, the only people that have a need to know the number of players on scholarship is the NCAA. Check with them if you want to know how many Bama players are on scholarship. Why not just assume that it is always 85 – I mean seriously, what’s the problem here other than you just have a bad case of whining.

  22. Deb says: May 19, 2011 7:38 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    So many around me are suffering in different ways right now. I can’t imagine what any of us would do without prayer.

  23. blitz4848 says: May 19, 2011 7:40 PM

    @wingedT

    The ostrich in the sand approach and name calling—typical when one has NO valid point to make. Since when is stating FACTS whining?

    I will turn the tables and ask why is ALABAMA the only one of 120 D1 schools that does not make the scholarship/recruiting public record?
    As you have said several times in the past about OTHER schools–”where there’s smoke, there’s fire”.

    I am not saying that but I am saying that Saban
    has fought the Alabama press and hid behind student privacy to shield this info. Why?

    For the record—Alabama has a live fax cam streaming on the internet all the incoming LOI on National signing day–how is that protecting the student athlete’s privacy–does the word HYPOCRITICAL come to mind?

    I was trying to discuss this in a civil manner but you argue no better than the people you have criticized in the past!

  24. blitz4848 says: May 19, 2011 7:47 PM

    @ Bama fans—Can you do this math?

    Alabama Adds #25 to 2011 Class – Where is the Room?
    Alabama had 12 scholarship players leave the team (8 to graduation, 3 juniors to the NFL, and 1 transfer prior to signing day) last year; Alabama also signed 23 new players (22 on signing day and now Duron Carter) and had 2 players greyshirt last year that now count towards this class; this puts them at 25 new players this year. On NSD, Nick Saban told the media that they signed what they could, implying they had room for 22 + 2 GS, and that they could add another player later because there were candidates for medical hardships or redshirt guys that have graduated that could be replaced. To date there have been no announcements regarding any departures, but there have been plenty of names floated around as possible candidates.

    As we mentioned a month ago, the numbers just don’t jive. If you have 12 scholarship players leave but add 25 new scholarship players, the only way you have room for them all is if you finished the previous season with 72 scholarship players. 72 – 12=60, 60 + 25=85.

    Does anyone believe that Alabama had only 72 scholarship players last year? If that was the case, then why the 2 greyshirts last year because there wasn’t room — if you are at 72 scholarship players why in the world would you greyshirt 2? The only viable reason would be the 25 limit, but Alabama had a handful of guys last year that enrolled early and counted toward the previous year, so there should have been room. Furthermore, Alabama had a bunch of attrition last year — we examined their roster prior to signing day and projected the number of guys they needed to lose in order to get to 85 and that was the exact number of guys they lost during the spring and summer — so if they weren’t making roster cuts to get to 85 there should have been room for the two that greyshirted last year.

    We are being a little coy here, we know they didn’t have 72 guys on scholarship to end the season last year. The reality is that they are over right now, and the medical hardship, transfers and non-renewals should start to emerge soon.

    With spring practice in full swing, shouldn’t anyone that is injured to the point that they can no longer participate already be on medical hardship? Maybe there are guys that are not participating in practice right now, not sure.

    All of these questions could be answered if Alabama didn’t withhold their scholarship numbers information from the media, something no school should be doing. Cecil Hurt with the Tuscaloosa News is working on this and has filed Freedom of Information requests in an effort to get scholarship numbers from the University, which is bizarre when you consider Alabama is one of the few programs around the country that runs a web cam on national signing day so that everyone can see the signed letters of intent as they come in; each time one comes in the school posts the name of the player on the fax machine so everyone can see it. Why would you go out of your way to broadcast that information yet withhold scholarship numbers from the media when asked for them?

  25. blitz4848 says: May 19, 2011 7:49 PM

    Bama defenders
    For the record–just so you can talk facts and not throw out crap and hope it sticks—Arkansas is the numbers king of oversigning this year and Ole Miss is 2nd—NOT SPURRIER as you all stated!

  26. WingT says: May 19, 2011 7:51 PM

    @Blitz, lol, hold on there big fella. I read your post several times and still don’t see a name of an Alabama player that has complained about Sabans running of Alabama football. I’ll keep watching for your post on that that one.

    I can’t answer your question regarding WHY Saban doesn’t tell everything to the press – maybe it’s just none of their business. Why don’t you ask Saban next time you see him if it’s so important to you?

    I understand that you have stated facts but so what? Has a rule been broken? No – you are just whining.

    Gawd I dread reading your post after the Oct 1 game

  27. blitz4848 says: May 19, 2011 8:32 PM

    @Winged T

    No wonder Auburn fans dislike Bama so much–they run at the mouth and say nothing.

  28. southernpatriots says: May 19, 2011 10:59 PM

    Deb: My daughter’s attorney has one last thing he can try. She is determined to move on if this does not work and take early retirement and possibly start again out of state.

    She wants the family to stay close because there are so many of us aging quickly with many health concerns and already two of us in the hospital still fighting. God bless her.

    You are quite right about prayer. Don’t know where any of us here would be without it. Thank you so much!

  29. Deb says: May 19, 2011 11:24 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    I understand how she feels about wanting to stay close to the older members of the family. I pray things work out, but if not, tell her to consider private and charter schools or even teaching at the college level. She also might find a government or private sector position where she could do positive things with her teaching experience outside the classroom–for instance, as a trainer. I know former public-school teachers who have made some of these moves and are happy in their new careers.

  30. Deb says: May 19, 2011 11:41 PM

    blitz, you’re behaving like a rude jerk. None of the Bama fans on this thread have addressed you in the condescending and downright nasty manner you’ve chosen to address us. Yes, I can do math. What makes you think Cris Carter’s son needs a scholarship? Although you clearly believe you know everything, the only thing you really know about the University of Alabama under Nick Saban’s watch is that he kicked Florida’s arrogant backside the last two times we met.

    I have said umpteen times now, I don’t have my head in the sand. I simply do not care if we oversign. It’s a cold cruel world and some chance at making the Bama squad is better than no chance. As Wing T has said umpteen times now, I don’t hear any Bama kids complaining. The only people I hear complaining are nitwits still ranting at me about something after I’ve repeatedly said I DON’T CARE.

    If you want to harp on something that hurts kids, harp on the fact that these schools make BILLIONS of dollars on their athletic talent and lifelong merchandising rights without compensating them. It’s exploitive and wrong.

    Or complain that most of these coaches don’t care if the kids get any kind of education. At least Nick has significantly increased graduation rates for his athletes, and is known among NFL scouts as having the best-prepared kids among pro hopefuls. So he’s trying to ensure their futures, which is more than I can say for some of these spread-first eejits who only care about how many NCAA wins they can rack up.

    ROLL TIDE!!

  31. southernpatriots says: May 20, 2011 12:25 AM

    Deb: Thank you. I am printing out your posting and giving it to her. Her attorney has one last “hail Mary” pass to make and if it is successful she has a contract which by that time she may already have another job (and least we pray so) because I don’t think she needs to be back in that situation again, though the loves the children and the work but not the politics and administration.

    Saban increased the graduation rates at LSU as well, so that is something he has been doing for a long time. He also won one national championship for LSU and that one we treasure along with the other 2. Miles is doing the same thing now and has really got a team this year that should be good competition for Bama, Georgia, South Carolina, Arkansas, etc. if we get past Oregon on the first game.

  32. bamasucks says: May 20, 2011 12:28 AM

    WingT, it’s a pretty well known fact that Saban still has to make several cuts to get under 85. the exact number isn’t known because, you know, he doesn’t release Alabama’s scholarship numbers.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703384204575509901468451306.html

  33. Deb says: May 20, 2011 12:51 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    As if teachers didn’t struggle enough in their jobs, having to deal with the politics is ridiculous. When I hear ignorant politicians scapegoating them to make political points, I could just scream–especially when they make ludicrous comments about how much teachers earn. All the teachers I’ve known paid for half their students’ school supplies out of their own pockets!

    Two friends of mine, a married couple, were fine teachers but finally couldn’t take it anymore. They became corporate trainers in the private sector at twice their teaching salaries and are extremely happy. And they don’t have to spend their evenings grading papers, etc. Although corporate America is political, it doesn’t compare with the school system–and you’re not at the mercy of revolving politicians trying to make names for themselves at the expense of our kids.

  34. Deb says: May 20, 2011 1:15 PM

    @bamasucks …

    A medical scholarship is the NCAA equivalent of injured reserve. It allows an injured player to continue his free education after medical doctors determine he is physically unable to perform. That a couple of Alabama players are bitter because think they still could have performed despite torn ACLs and back injuries doesn’t make it true. That’s a typical macho complaint, but the coach has to go with the medical opinion.

    As I see it, if Nick is fudging to allow players that really aren’t good enough for the team to go on medical scholarship, he’s doing them a favor by letting them continue their educations instead of sending them packing. AGAIN, if you’re not good enough to make the team, you should get CUT and sent home. Instead of whining, those guys should be thanking Saban for their free education.

    The grumbling ex-player quoted in that article is now working in an industry where he wouldn’t have been hired without that degree. Based on the playing time he saw before his injury, he had zero shot at the NFL. So why is he whining? He got a free education and a great job. It’s not Saban’s fault he was a mediocre player. That would be his fault and apparently his ego can’t handle it. Nor is it Saban’s fault he injured his back. It’s not Saban’s fault the medical team said he was unable to perform. It’s not Saban’s fault that after the terms of the medical scholarship were fully explained to Mr. 4.0 he decided to sign off on it and had buyer’s remorse.

    Interesting that the article you cited said this is a common practice with several conveniently unnamed coaches. But again, I have no problem with it. The coaches are giving kids a way to continue their educations when they’re unable to play. My only criticism of Saban after reading that is his generosity with Mr. Back Injury was wasted on a guy who should have been cut outright and sent home to recover and pout in his room.

    And if Nick doesn’t release the scholarship numbers, it’s because he’s not required to release them. So they’re none of your business. At least those are legitimate scholarships and not six-figure under-the-table payoffs.

  35. southernpatriots says: May 20, 2011 1:19 PM

    Deb: You are so right. This past school year, the school told their teachers they would receive a reimbursement of $125 on school supplies. Normally my daughter spends almost that much each month on paper, pencils, pens, etc. for students who do not have them or run out. My daughter complied with the receipts and was told by the same principal that she would not be receiving a reimbursement because she ordered her supplies from Quill.com rather than a local supplier. Quill.com had most items on sale for 50% off at that time so she was able to obtain much more for less money, but that did not matter. One of the local office supply stores close to the school is owned by a school board member and managed by the husband of the principal.

    I gave you the list you posted and she is pursuing it. She wants to work with children, if possible, so she will be checking into different school systems, private, charter, etc. as you suggested. If none of those work out she will try the remainder. She is starting to pack up and get ready to move also, so she is not sitting around. She wants to get further from the water and flood plain for the Morganza/Atchafalaya into a safer area, not so close. Please pray she sells her house and finds another one during the summer. She gets real joy from teaching the children and ten years later seeing them in positions of responsibility, contributing to society…I have to admit I get great joy and satisfaction for her as well.

  36. Deb says: May 20, 2011 6:26 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    This will be a difficult time to try and sell property in that area–as if it’s not already a difficult time to sell property. I’ll certainly pray that things work out for her. So many of my friends are teachers, and I’ve done a lot of volunteer work in the classroom. Our education system is a mess, and you have to wonder what possesses these petty little bureaucrats. It’s definitely not concern for the welfare of the children.

    Our county commissioners just keep approving new housing developments when we don’t have enough schools to handle the population load. Many of our local kids attend class in prefabs, and I’ve heard it’s sometimes standing room only! Friends of mine relocated two hours away just because their son was zoned for a substandard school. Their jobs gave them the flexibility to do that, but most people aren’t that lucky. The whole thing is just nuts.

    I certainly pray your daughter finds an opportunity that will take care of her insurance needs and let her keep using her skills to help people who need it.

  37. southernpatriots says: May 20, 2011 6:40 PM

    Deb: Thank you so much for your kindness and prayers. I am collecting boxes for her now and have my living room without any place to sit! ha. I get them at WalMart late night or very early morning when they are putting items on shelves. I am also collecting bubble wrap and Styrofoam peanuts which she will need.

    We are believing God that she will be able to sell. Her home is located in a great school district for elementary children, less so for middle school.

    They hope to relocate closer to their PawPaw, and he is hoping that is possible.

  38. Deb says: May 20, 2011 9:05 PM

    Oh, I hope it works out for her. My parents are so far from their only grandchildren–and they from their only grandparents.

    Love bubble wrap, but hate those peanuts! They make such a mess :)

  39. southernpatriots says: May 20, 2011 9:13 PM

    Deb: Earlier I obtained a whole trash bag of peanuts! My hope is that I tied them securely because I sure don’t want that all over my sofa and floor!

    We all are trying to work out the details so we can all be closer together. We hope it all works out. We are trying for a “drier” part of Louisiana and there are so many logistics in all of this, but family is so important to us. It looks like we will be helping to move my daughter and others throughout the summer, God willing the flood waters do not hinder.

  40. edgy says: May 20, 2011 11:24 PM

    Blitz, I took that into consideration and my feeling was and still is that while Oklahoma has a big hole at RB, they will be able to do a better job of filling that than FSU will with their QB. Admittedly, their QB has gotten to play some but he’s not Christian Ponder and the Sooners should be able to win on the road.

  41. edgy says: May 20, 2011 11:26 PM

    Deb, don’t forget, he’s privy to the inner-workings at USC, as well and for good measure, he pilots the plane that the Gators send to pick up their next head coach or coordinator. :)

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