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Lone Star Showdown in jeopardy if A&M bolts to the SEC?

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Texas and Texas A&M have met on the football field over 100 times since 1894. If A&M moves on to the SEC, though, that rivalry could be placed in the “dormant” category in some form or shape.

According to the Houston Chronicle by way of Billy Liucci over at TexAgs.com, Texas may not consider keeping a nonconference spot open for the Aggies if they leave the Big 12. For what its worth, there are plenty of reasons to believe that the game would continue.

For one, both Texas and A&M would be connected to ESPN by way of the Longhorn Network and the SEC’s second-tier TV rights, respectively. Word from TexAgs (of course) is that A&M wants to continue the series, so surely, the worldwide leader could find a way to make it happen.

Secondly, state politics are influential. The Texas House of Representatives’ Higher Education Committee is set to meet tomorrow to discuss, among other things, college athletics. If Texas’ state representatives are getting bent out of shape about the possibility of losing A&M to the SEC, they’re likely just as distressed as losing the biggest in-state rivalry.

I have no problem with schools looking out for No. 1, which A&M and Texas are both guilty of doing, but losing the Lone Star Showdown wouldn’t be good for the fans of either program, the state and college football.

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25 Responses to “Lone Star Showdown in jeopardy if A&M bolts to the SEC?”
  1. southernpatriots says: Aug 15, 2011 3:19 PM

    That is fearmongering. The traditional rivalries of Texas and Oklahoma are not at peril when A & M bolts for the SEC.

    Those who now don’t want A & M to bolt after Texas gets a most unfair advantage with their new network contract, are using fear to try to stop it. Grown men acting like something less.

  2. bender4700 says: Aug 15, 2011 3:36 PM

    Texas had no problem ruining the OU vs NU rivalry that many people enjoyed. Why the heck would ruining a rivlary that people outside the Big XII really don’t care about bother them?

    Texas wants Independence. Period. Nothing else matters. (I don’t blame them, good way to lock in a lot of money for themselves).

    People have to stop pretending like tradition or loyalty even matter anymore. Have you seen the money floating around? Come on folks. They are acting like business executives.

  3. Deb says: Aug 15, 2011 3:53 PM

    I apologize for saying the Aggies were whining about the Longhorns’ TV network. Obviously the Longhorns are the whiners if they’d stoop to tactics like these to force A&M to stay in the conference (or is it because they lost to A&M last year … or because they lost Muschamp to Florida?). I don’t have much patience with the Big 12 and the way Texas is allowed to scoop up all the money for themselves. The SEC is extremely profitable, and the major schools such as Bama, LSU, and Florida don’t throw tantrums about sharing revenues with Vandy and Kentucky. No wonder the Aggies want out of that dysfunctional mess.

    Don’t worry A&M … if Texas picks up its ball and goes home, the SEC can provide plenty of new rivals to draw big audiences on real networks like CBS and ESPN.

  4. blitz4848 says: Aug 15, 2011 3:57 PM

    All this, Texas dictates this and Texas says that is getting to be nauseating.
    Texas is a good football program but they are coming off as getting a “little full of themselves!”

    For all we know A&M, as well as their fans, may not want to play “the we are so much better than everyone else Texas Longhorns.”

    They may already feel their schedule is upgraded by “replacing Texas with Alabama, LSU, Auburn & Arkansas…….

  5. beveaux says: Aug 15, 2011 4:02 PM

    Going independent is the last option Texas has on the table. Most forecasts predict 4 – 16 team conferences in the future. SEC, Big 10, and Pac 10 are definitely in. The Big 12(10)(maybe 9) has to compete with the Big East and the ACC for that 4th conference. Pretty good odds they could be successful.

    As far as the Lone Star Showdown, why would Texas want to give the aggys a game? Unless, of course, if it was broadcast on the Longhorn Network.

    Besides, why would the aggys want to put a tough game on their SEC schedule? More likely, they will be playing Louisiana Tech or a Division II school.

  6. bender4700 says: Aug 15, 2011 4:11 PM

    @beveaux

    Texas going IND means ALL their games are on the LHN. That’s big $$$.

    ND will not join a conference. Ever. They get an automatic BCS bid.

    The forecasting is purely speculative. 4-16 team conferences is a nice idea, but that doesn’t mean Notre Dame nor Texas will be included.

    You are in the minority thinking Texas going IND is the “last option”. Although, if you mean, it’s the last option because once all things shake out that’s exactly what’s going to happen thus being the last thing Texas does conference wise, yes, very true. If you mean it’s not happening, no, you are mistaken.

    The reasons to go IND far out weigh the reasons not to for a program like Texas. BYU and ND back that point.

  7. matthewinwisconsin says: Aug 15, 2011 4:12 PM

    In the end this is all talk. Texas will get its way. Texas will get all the money. Texas will have a massive recruiting advantage. It will maintain control of the Big 12 at the expensive of the eight smaller schools. Only the Sooners can stand up to the bully, and they won’t. The Aggies need to find a conference where they will be treated as equals.

  8. mogogo1 says: Aug 15, 2011 4:23 PM

    I know the writing is on the wall concerning super conferences, but I can’t be the only one who sees a downside to them. A&M would have a far harder time qualifying for a major bowl from a 16-team (or whatever) Super-SEC than they would from the current Big 12 (that only has 10 teams). I know the dollars are going to be great, and maybe for some the more financially-strapped schools that is all that really matters, but fans like winning games and seeing their team around New Year’s Day, too.

  9. Deb says: Aug 15, 2011 4:32 PM

    @mogogo1 …

    I see a downside to the super conferences–especially the one you mention. What we need is a playoff tournament that ensures the best teams in the nation participate and not just the conference champion from each of those four superconferences. If you know four SEC teams are going to be in that tournament–because four SEC teams are in the top 20–it makes a big difference.

    I don’t understand all this kowtowing to Texas. You can’t tell me that one school draws more viewers than the SEC. Why don’t the remaining Big 12 schools band together, add a few more schools, and create a revenue-sharing conference like the SEC. Leave Texas as the odd man out and simply don’t schedule them. Their network won’t be worth much if they only play the Little Sisters of the Poor.

  10. blitz4848 says: Aug 15, 2011 4:33 PM

    If Mizzou or Oklahoma and A&M leave the Big 12 that leaves them at (8), and where the hell will they find (8) teams any where near that geographical area to form a 16 team conference?

    Oklahoma has to start thinking whther they want to be in the SEC or Pac 10 as they won’t go it alone as an independent.

    The other thing is where will Texas hang their hat for all their other programs? Texas is the Big Dog but they could and should have handled this a lot better than taking the whole pie and doling out a few “begrudging” bites to the rest of the conference.

    The SEC has done well and grown their prestige with winning programs in all sports and they did so giving Kentucky, Vandy and Ole Miss the same amount of the pie that Florida, Alabama and LSU receives.

    That formula has helped the SEC grow strong and should be a blueprint for the Big 12. The Big 12 has “allowed” Texas to intimidate them into being persevered as Texas and their little sheep conference…….one school should not control a conference!!!!!
    The Pac 10 NEVER allowed USC to run roughshod over the rest of them—NOT saying that USC ever tried!! Sad to see the Big 12 self implode the way it is……………

  11. blitz4848 says: Aug 15, 2011 4:33 PM

    If Mizzou or Oklahoma and A&M leave the Big 12 that leaves them at (8), and where the hell will they find (8) teams any where near that geographical area to form a 16 team conference?

    Oklahoma has to start thinking whther they want to be in the SEC or Pac 10 as they won’t go it alone as an independent.

    The other thing is where will Texas hang their hat for all their other programs? Texas is the Big Dog but they could and should have handled this a lot better than taking the whole pie and doling out a few “begrudging” bites to the rest of the conference.

    The SEC has done well and grown their prestige with winning programs in all sports and they did so giving Kentucky, Vandy and Ole Miss the same amount of the pie that Florida, Alabama and LSU receives.

    That formula has helped the SEC grow strong and should be a blueprint for the Big 12. The Big 12 has “allowed” Texas to intimidate them into being persevered as Texas and their little sheep conference…….one school should not control a conference!!!!!

    The Pac 10 NEVER allowed USC to run roughshod over the rest of them—NOT saying that USC ever tried!! Sad to see the Big 12 self implode the way it is……………

  12. florida727 says: Aug 15, 2011 4:35 PM

    Deb says:
    Aug 15, 2011 3:53 PM
    “The SEC is extremely profitable, and the major schools such as Bama, LSU, and Florida don’t throw tantrums about sharing revenues with Vandy and Kentucky.”

    Hey Deb, could you re-post but leave out the words “and Kentucky”? If I say please?

  13. blitz4848 says: Aug 15, 2011 4:43 PM

    @Deb

    Great minds……….our last posts are 1 min apart and almost identical—I say almost because somehow I posted mine twice—lmao

  14. florida727 says: Aug 15, 2011 4:50 PM

    Another thought: think about the math involved in this and what it potentially leads to. Four 16-team conferences. Semi-finalists from each conference in an 8-team playoff for the national title OR champions from the 4 conferences in a semi-final / final scenario for the national championship. The numbers alone make it a possibility. It could also be the four conference champions and 4 teams from elsewhere, including select independents (BYU, ND, Texas), if they ‘qualify’ based on record. Lot of potential scenarios… all leading to what we’d all like to ultimately see: playoffs.

    Also, I know this is a football posting, but don’t forget basketball… especially when considering what Deb said about revenue sharing within the SEC (an excellent point). The Big 12 is, and always has been, a football conference. Think Kentucky (previous post notwithstanding :) ) and their basketball tradition. They bring in an inordinate amount of money to the SEC because of their history and success in short pants. Again, all pointing to the equality/fairness that the SEC enjoys by NOT catering to one program like the Big 12 does to Texas.

  15. tommyf15 says: Aug 15, 2011 5:13 PM

    This may not be a popular thing to say, but things have become so thorny between Texas and Texas A&M that it may not be a bad idea for the schools to get away from one another for a little while.

  16. bender4700 says: Aug 15, 2011 6:36 PM

    @Blitz

    AMEN!

    The SEC and Big Ten are very much an “all for one, one for all” mentality leagues. That works.

    The Pac-12 squabbled over the conference alignment that they might have to change again in a year. The Big XII….well you see how they are doing.

  17. southernpatriots says: Aug 15, 2011 6:37 PM

    Since other athletic programs are being mentioned, we must mention the LSU baseball program which has led all U.S. colleges and universities in attendance the past 10 years and also in the sale of merchandise.

    A & M now has LSU’s old coach which won numerous track national championships at LSU and now is doing the same at A & M. Most colleges have difficulty paying for the women’s athletic programs and all the Olympic sports programs. LSU makes about $50 million on its football and millions on its basketball and baseball programs. All of this helps the SEC and all SEC schools. We could say the same for the very lucrative programs at Alabama, Florida, and Georgia but we don’t have as intimate knowledge of their totals.

  18. kickingiant says: Aug 15, 2011 8:27 PM

    If A&M does leave the conference, then the rivalry is dead for the simple reason that Texas is afraid to put any team on their non conference schedule that might beat them. Texas has set up the Big 12 to provide what they think is the path of least resistance to a national championship. One game with OU to give some legitimacy, and then fill it out with Rice, Baylor, and DeVry. There is no way they would want to play any SEC team every year.
    I hope the Aggies make the move, and can eventually rise to the level of the competition. I think the opportunity to play against the best players in the country will prove to be an excellent tool in one of the deepest recruiting pools in the country.
    Gig ‘em.

  19. southernpatriots says: Aug 15, 2011 9:18 PM

    kickinggiant: Thumbs up for good commentary and sense of humor….DeVry…ha. If Texas is seen as the one that cancels the rivalry, the Texas politicians will voice their displeasure and so will the fans and boosters. We do not think that
    A & M will be the reason the rivalry ceases, but your observation about Texas cannot be disputed. Kudos!

  20. lottsmissingfinger says: Aug 15, 2011 10:42 PM

    Texas has been adding big names to their future schedules once Nebraska and Colorado decided to depart the Big XII – including some SEC opponents. USC, Cal, Arkansas, Ol’ Miss and, for those that believe Notre Dame is competitively relevant, the Irish.

    Don’t forget Arkansas bailed on the a scheduled game with UT when Razorback alum Jerry Jones paid their out so they could play A&M at Jerry World. A&M wasn’t so high-minded then to take that payday.

    In the end, the SEC is using A&M’s bruised ego to gain a recruiting foothold/TV market in Texas and picking up a team that is 3 games over .500 in this millennium.

  21. lottsmissingfinger says: Aug 15, 2011 10:47 PM

    Sorry for the typing errors in the previous post. Also left BYU off that list of future opponents starting this year.

  22. Deb says: Aug 15, 2011 11:10 PM

    Can’t believe I’m going to say this … holding my nose … but Tommy Tuberville isn’t scared of the competition in the SEC. He’s been there, done that. So if he’s still coaching the Aggies when they make the move, he’ll be rubbing his hands together and ready to get into the fight. Yes, leave Texas to play DeVry (lol kickinggiant) on that Longhorns Network. Nothing wrong with schools wanting to share. Isn’t that what we learned in kindergarten?

    @Florida727 …

    ROFL at your Kentucky comment!

    @blitz …

    Yes, great minds think alike … and sometimes double-click the submit button ;)

  23. lottsmissingfinger says: Aug 15, 2011 11:27 PM

    Deb,

    Tommy Tuberville doesn’t coach at A&M – he’s the HC at Texas Tech.

    As for TLN, I went to Texas and even I was annoyed when ESPN announced they were going to show HS games on TLN. No way that should ever happen.

    The Longhorn Network was well on its way when A&M committed to the Big 12 after Col and Neb left. I think they went ballistic when the deal was finalized at $15 mil a year – most people were predicting $4 to $6 million.

  24. beveaux says: Aug 15, 2011 11:29 PM

    Deb:

    I know you are a college football expert, but Tommy Tuberville is the coach of Texas Tech, not Texas A&M. Good job.

    Also, you probably need to check the SEC bylaws. There is nothing stopping Florida, Alabama or LSU from creating their own network. And, keeping all the money that venture generates.

    Once the Longhorn Network proves successful, expect to see most of the major programs trying to duplicate that success.

  25. Deb says: Aug 16, 2011 12:29 AM

    EGADS!!! I have mixed up Texas Tech and Texas A&M … ROFL

    You know … it’s not the first time I’ve done that since all this Aggies-to-the-SEC talk started. I just didn’t get caught the first time :D

    No, beveaux, I am not a college football expert. Have said many times that I’m a much bigger pro fan and my knowledge of college ball dwindles the further I get from the SEC … as evidenced by this faux pas.

    On the bright side, this means the jerks who fired Mike Leach won’t be coming to the SEC!!! YAY!!

    @lottsmissingfinger …

    Finally took enough time to read your name. That’s hysterical :lol:

    I don’t begrudge Texas a TV Network or a $15 million deal. But I think it’s selfish–and ultimately short-sighted–for the Big 12 not to share its revenue the way the SEC does.

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