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Is a Miami death penalty the NCAA’s only option?

Nuclear Explosion

Roughly 16 years after SMU was hit with the infamous “death penalty” that crippled their football program for nearly a quarter of a century, then-Florida president John Lombardi said that the NCAA would do anything it could going forward to avoid sentencing another school to a similar fate.

“SMU taught the committee that the death penalty is too much like the nuclear bomb,” Lombardi said in 2002. “It’s like what happened after we dropped the [atomic] bomb in World War II. The results were so catastrophic that now we’ll do anything to avoid dropping another one.”

A decade later, thanks to an explosive exposé by Yahoo! sports, the nuclear option appears to be back on the table, and it could force the NCAA to play the football version of Harry Truman once again.

The level of malfeasance alleged in the investigative piece by convicted felon Nevin Shapiro is truly staggering and is only rivaled in recent times by the infamous SMU scandal, when the Mustangs were Pony Express’d back to the football dark ages in the mid-eighties.  Shapiro, who once had a players lounge named in his honor at the Coral Gables school, alleges he gave impermissible benefits that by his estimation totaled in the millions and millions of dollars to more than five dozen Hurricane football players — including a dozen current ones — over an eight-year period beginning in 2001.

Cash, prostitutes, jewelry, clothing, electronics, yachts, mansions, strip club junkets and, in one instance, an abortion.  You name it, Shapiro alleges he provided it for many, many a Hurricane player.

Perhaps most damning is the Yahoo! report claims four former football assistants as well as three football support staff members had direct knowledge of or participated in the violating of multiple NCAA rules, including sending high school recruits to Shapiro’s multi-million dollar mansion or accompanying Shapiro and recruits to strip clubs.  Shapiro’s physical confrontation with UM’s head of compliance in the press box of a 2007 game wrought a background check by the university, which revealed he was the co-owner of a sports representation agency.  Still, the university did nothing.

Juxtapose those Miami allegations against the SMU case two-and-a-half-decades ago and, more recently, USC.

Already banned from bowl games in 1985 and 1986 as well as any television appearances for the latter year due to recruiting violations committed by boosters and at least one assistant, SMU was found in 1986 by the NCAA to have created a slush fund — which paid football players upwards of $700 a month — that was controlled by a booster and sanctioned by officials from the athletic department all the way through the school’s Board of Governors.  For that, the NCAA canceled the Mustangs 1987 season — the school canceled the 1988 season as well due to lack of players — banned the school from bowl games and television appearances through the 1989 season, as well as stripping them of nearly 60 football scholarships over a four-year period.

At first blush, the situation in Miami appears to be the work of a lone rogue booster who inexplicably flew underneath the school’s radar — allegedly — for eight years.  SMU’s case was an organized, systematic pay-for-play scandal involving multiple layers of individuals both inside the athletic department and out, even bleeding into the political arena.

Is that enough of a difference to keep the NCAA from pressing the nuclear button and leveling The U football program?

If it’s looked at through a prism of blacks and whites, the allegations leveled against Miami are the worst to hit major college football since SMU in the mid-eighties and would appear to deserve something that approaches the same level of sanctions.  As the NCAA has shown since slapping near-historic sanctions on USC, though, the NCAA seems to work with varying shades of gray that only they can see.  And comprehend.

To illustrate that very point, the Trojans were stripped of 30 scholarships over a three-year period and banned from appearing in bowl games for two after the NCAA found one player — Reggie Bush — and/or his family had received in the neighborhood of $300,000 from two would-be sports marketers/felons while he was a running back at the school.  One USC assistant — not four as alleged in the Yahoo! Miami piece, or multiple members of the institution as found in the SMU case — and one two-minute phone conversation led to the sanctions that have set the Trojans football program back at least a couple of years if not more.

After handing the Trojans some of the stiffest sanctions since SMU was obliterated from the football map, Paul Dee, chair of the NCAA’s Committee on Infractions, said the following when it comes to a school’s responsibility for dealing with outside influences on student-athletes:

“The real issue here is if you have high‑profile players, your enforcement staff has to monitor those students at a higher level. It’s extraordinarily important that the people that are likely to be receiving these kinds of interactions from people outside the institution are also those same people who are going to provide a reward somewhere down the road. So high‑profile players demand high‑profile compliance.”

Dee was the athletic director at the University of Miami during the time Shapiro was allegedly lavishing his student-athletes with gifts, cash and services.

Regardless of whether it’s too much like the nuclear bomb, and the catastrophic results Lombardi referred to be damned, the NCAA needs to drop another one on the Miami football program if they have any real desire to truly change the culture as they’ve openly professed in recent months.  What would that entail when it comes to the ‘Canes?  Miami’s situation — if the allegations are proven, it should be noted — would seem to fall somewhere between SMU and USC, but leaning decidedly toward the former side in terms of severity.

Leaning enough to warrant sanctions similar to what SMU received?  Certainly this trumps Bush’s financial masterpiece, setting the bar for sanctions to come in somewhere well above what USC received.  If that involves something close to the death penalty, so be it; at some point, there have to be significant repercussions for programs that don’t demand high-profile compliance for high-profile players.

One way or the other, though, the NCAA needs to take their hands out from under their backsides and show that what they’re spewing publicly aren’t merely words lacking any kind of meaningful action behind them.  One SMU is too many.  Two of them calls for a significant change to the structure of collegiate athletics.

And a sweeping change to the hypocrisy that Dee’s involvement on both sides fully displays.

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56 Responses to “Is a Miami death penalty the NCAA’s only option?”
  1. mrcowpatty says: Aug 17, 2011 12:41 PM

    Did anyone die when SMU received the death penalty?

  2. burntorangehorn says: Aug 17, 2011 12:58 PM

    The NCAA needs to come down hard on Auburn, Ohio State, and Oregon. Each needs to have to do more than just vacate wins about which every fan and talk show personality will look back and say, “Everyone knows who won that game, no matter what the history books say.” Those three needs at LEAST USC-level sanctions, if not much more. We’ll see if LSU might be in the same group.

    If the truth is even half as bad as Shapiro says, then Miami is on a completely different level. Death penalty? I’m not sure the NCAA will ever do that. As a reminder, here are the sanctions the last time it happened (SMU in the 1980s):

    The 1987 season was canceled; only conditioning drills (without pads) would be permitted until the spring of 1988.

    -1988 SMU home games canceled; SMU eventually chose not to play any away games, which the NCAA hadn’t canceled out of financial concern for the away opponents; this effectively canceled the 1988 season
    -post-season and TV ban extended two years each
    -Loss of 55 NEW scholarships over four recruiting years
    -Number of full-time assistant coaches reduced from nine to five (not sure for how many years that lasted)

    I think I’m on board with one year of no home games, a loss of ten scholarships per year for four years, and no TV or post-season games for four years. I think that should be the minimum for anything this severe, and also for any program that is caught covering anything up or complying with any scheme to intentionally provide impermissible benefits to players. A show-cause order should also be levied on coaches implicated in such things, including Tressel.

  3. thompgk says: Aug 17, 2011 1:00 PM

    Auburn? Why?

    You can’t come down hard on Auburn when there isn’t any credible evidence of wrongdoing. What a stupid diatribe.

  4. paul621 says: Aug 17, 2011 1:02 PM

    Wow, these analogies are even worse than all the usual battle analogies seen in football writing.

  5. surly1n1nd1anapol1s says: Aug 17, 2011 1:03 PM

    Until the NCAA bans coaches and athletic directors this will never stop. Fire them and ban them from collegiate athletics. Lax leadership contributes to this. As of now the people like new coaches will pay the price when they had no benefit.

  6. frug says: Aug 17, 2011 1:06 PM

    I think you overlooked the worst part of this whole thing; the fact this guy was (allegedly) paying bounties for Miami players to injure their opponents. If this is true and the NCAA can show that the coaching staff either knew, or should have known, about it, then the program should get the death penalty. Period.

    Paying bounties is worse than pay for play, point shaving or anything else. We all know that football is a violent game in and off itself (look at Eric LeGrand) if you start giving players financial incentives to intentionally harm other players, you can get someone killed.

  7. ftball101 says: Aug 17, 2011 1:08 PM

    I have a high disregard for the NCAA. The NCAA is a total contradiction and is the real scandal with all of their millions of BS rules.

    I played at football at a bigger school, and I was lucky coming from a middle class family. But a lot of my teammates came from lower class areas, who just wanted escape the tragic reality of where they were from. They came to college with little to no money, hundreds of miles from home, trying to turn their lives around. Sure they get their tuition paid for, but they walk around seeinf the school make thousands, if not millions by selling their jerseys and from ticket sales but putting 80,000 in the stadium, yet their families cant afford to come out and watch them play, and they’re trying to bum rides home from the stadium because they can’t afford gas money.

    I’m not saying what these players did at miami was right. But here was a guy offering to pay for their families travel and to put them up at a hotel, when they couldnt afford it. And take them out in to town and give them all of these materialistic things that these guys have never seen before.No one is honestly going to say no to that.

    In similar situations, such as at UNC, all of the atheletes are going to receive severe punishment, but the agents and “boosters” who hand them over get nothing.

    This guy and others just toy and tease the players like they’re pets, offering money for good performances in games because they know they can’t afford a good meal outside of a dining hall. If the NCAA actually cared about the athletes they’d find ways to help them so crap liek this wont happen.

  8. buckifan4life says: Aug 17, 2011 1:10 PM

    And ESPN thought the OSU tat five scandal was bad… Just wait. And for the record, can ESPN camp outside of the “U” like they did during the OSU witchhunt? Thanks…

  9. burntorangehorn says: Aug 17, 2011 1:14 PM

    bucki–there is of course the difference that Tressel (and possibly some higher-ups in the athletic dept.) knew all about the OSU scandal, whereas Shapiro specifically said that Larry Coker was ignorant of all this. He did say that Shannon despised Shapiro, but it’s unknown whether he actually knew anything about the benefits.

  10. bamabob says: Aug 17, 2011 1:15 PM

    I don’t trust the NCAA as far as I could drop kick Rex Ryan but you’ve got to think they’ve been wanting to come down on Miami for a while now given all the shenanigans that are now well documented back in “The U” days. Hope they don’t hold that against the current players.

    But just because it’s on Yahoo doesn’t mean it’s credible. Everyone should wait on the facts. Is this guy Jose Canseco – a felon who’s telling the truth- or are the Yahoo guys Selena Roberts reporting on Duke lacrosse. Or Doug Gotleib on Texas A&M. Let’s just wait.

  11. southernpatriots says: Aug 17, 2011 1:21 PM

    The NCAA must investigate and if they can corroborate even half of what is alledged, the NCAA has no choice but to impose the dreaded and once used to this point–Death Penalty.

    The Dade County D.A. needs to wake up and get his investigators moving on this matter as well. It has been alledged that civil and criminal laws were broken as well as NCAA regs. There are some good folks in south Florida and they need to put pressure on their elected and appointed officials to investigate and then prosecute if evidence of wrongdoing is uncovered.

  12. buckifan4life says: Aug 17, 2011 1:21 PM


    I understand your point. The problem is, whether they “knew” about it or not, they will most likely be held responsible. The “we didn’t know” card was played by Cam and that didn’t go over very well. Furthermore, this investigation is just starting. They will bury thier heads into the “U’s” business like an Alabama tick and will uncover MORE. This isn’t the end.

  13. ftball101 says: Aug 17, 2011 1:23 PM

    I compeltely agree. Those bounties explain why that miami vs florida state game a few years back in the rain was probably one of the biggest hitting games I have ever seen. people flying around left and right. That was absolutely insane

  14. buckeyeskittle says: Aug 17, 2011 1:29 PM

    Hey, I just hope that ESPN, Sports Illustrated goes after them like the did Ohio State. What the Ohio State players did is nothing compared to this. I hope everyone goes after them like they did Ohio State. I am a fan and I do believe they broke the rules and therefor be punished.

  15. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Aug 17, 2011 1:34 PM

    @ Ben

    The USC situation was not just about Bush and the football program, but Mayo and the basketball program as well.


    What happened at tOSU is not even close to the level of the U. Oregon’s investigation isn’t over, so why you would include them in your rant is beyond me. When it comes to Auburn, we all know Cecil solicited the money, but NCAA already (wrongly) said Cam didn’t know, so again we will have to wait and see what happens in regards to the Colonial Life Bank situation before passing judgement. That’s the point: wait and see. If tOSU could have been given that courtesy, maybe folks like you could have saved yourself the butt-hurt of disappointment when the actual FACTS were laid out.

    I know this guy is a felon, but what makes him different than ‘Ellis’ and the shadowed out ‘sources’ in the Buckeye stories is that this guy is a BOOSTER and has actual DOCUMENTATION to back it up (still waiting to see the cashed checks from Dennis Talbot to TP ESPiN).

    Reserving judgement, but doesn’t look good for the Canes right now.

  16. Ben Kercheval says: Aug 17, 2011 1:37 PM


    I believe all comments should be directed toward John on this one 😉

  17. pricecube says: Aug 17, 2011 1:37 PM

    It will be interesting to see what the death penalty might do to Miami’s stock as the “super-conferences” shake out over the next decade. SMU was a relevant program thirty years ago (they claimed a share of the NC in 1981). Look at where SMU is now… struggling for significance and slowly improving… but I don’t see an invite from an AQ conference any time soon. Miami has been a powerhouse team since the 80’s. They have more history than SMU did… but the death penalty could be incredibly devastating if it took them out of contention for a spot in the coming super-conferences which could come to fruition in the near future.

  18. whodoes says: Aug 17, 2011 1:38 PM


    SMU wasn’t given the death penalty because of a single set of violations. They were given the death penalty because they were busted and penalized, but the rampant cheating didn’t stop. Then they were busted again, while already on probation, but the rampant cheating continued. So they were busted yet again for a ridiculous level of cheating (actually, doing the exact same cheating as before regardless of the NCAA sanctions), while again on probation, and that’s when the NCAA dropped the death penalty hammer.

    In SMU’s case, you had all the stuff that you’re hearing about Miami, and then a whole lot more. They had the boosters paying players. They had the officials and coaches involved (many times what has been alleged so far from Miami). They even had the booster (who was running the slush fund) going on to serve as NFL agent for SMU players. And then it gets worse. The athletics department was administering a payroll system – that a number of key people at the school knew about – where a secretary delivered checks to players drawn from a booster slush fund. When they were busted one of the times by the NCAA, you had the president and trustees – not minor figures, and not just “head in the sand” type actions, either – from the school agreeing to continue the payments to players already promised them, because they figured cutting off the payments entirely would lead to more disgruntled players talking to the NCAA. I suggest the book about the SMU scandal “A Payroll to Meet” by David Whitford, if you can find a copy. It lays out many of the details of a case that makes Miami’s currently reported problems honestly look like small potatoes in comparison.

    I know it has been a long time since the SMU scandal happened, or the Charley Pell scandals at Clemson/Florida, or the Kentucky basketball scandals (take your pick), or the Auburn NCAA violations (take your pick), etc, etc. But let’s not completely lose perspective about the history of NCAA rules-breaking. That history is littered with some pretty impressive cases for Miami to compete against.

  19. gorilladunk says: Aug 17, 2011 1:41 PM

    Interesting to note that two of the assistants who were “very aware” of what was going on now find themselves employed by Nick Saban at Alabama. They can’t dodge investigators, either. They HAVE to talk to the NCAA gumshoes. After listening to Nick and other coaches this week on the “blueprint to fix college sports” (or whatever they call it!) series on ESPN, he might be passing out pink slips pretty quickly.

  20. florida727 says: Aug 17, 2011 1:44 PM

    Hey JT… Is it wrong for me to say that as long as Gloria Estefan keeps making TV commercials for the school that I can watch on ESPN during games, I really don’t care what happens to their football program?

  21. effjohntaylornorelation says: Aug 17, 2011 1:47 PM

    What a fantastic piece of writing Mr. Taylor!

  22. nesuperfan says: Aug 17, 2011 1:49 PM

    For the record, the Death Penalty has been used 5 times, but only once in NCAA football.

    I think they need to come down, and come down hard here. There is a ton of corroborating evidence.

  23. aintsfan says: Aug 17, 2011 1:50 PM

    As the late Papa Joe once said; “You can’t spell scum without UM.” LOL

  24. florida727 says: Aug 17, 2011 1:54 PM

    BTW, if you’re looking for other schools/scandals to compare this to, do the letters U-N-L-V come to anyone’s mind? Different sport, but come on, they could easily be the leader in the clubhouse if not for SMU.

  25. edpeters101 says: Aug 17, 2011 2:02 PM

    Has anybody thought about changing the NCAA into an organization that works for both the schools and the athletes? We talk about a dysfunctional congress, I think we have a dysfunctional NCAA…

  26. bender4700 says: Aug 17, 2011 2:05 PM

    Clearly something needs to be done.

    Death penalty? Maybe

    At VERY least the President of the University should resign. She has been notoriously known as someone with shady character, and her involvement (see the picture) is proof she needs to go. She had to know something was happening. His private booth was only a few doors from hers, where he was committing violations.

    Ignorance in this case just simply won’t fly. Coker was an idiot, but no one is that stupid.

  27. mdnittlion says: Aug 17, 2011 2:07 PM

    I find it funny any Texas fan would bring up NCAA sanctions at all. Cause Ricky Williams didn’t use drugs in college only the pros and Colt McCoy’s wife didn’t say on ESPN radio that some players didn’t turn down extra benefits. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

  28. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Aug 17, 2011 2:10 PM

    Sorry ’bout that….

    @ JT
    See my comments above.

  29. buckifan4life says: Aug 17, 2011 2:21 PM

    If these allegations are true and the death penalty isn’t handed down, I don’t know what circumstances there would ever be a death penalty for a program. These were not just improper benefits, there were federal laws broken…

    See ya, wouldn’t wanna be the “U”…

  30. alkiela says: Aug 17, 2011 2:31 PM

    A couple of points comparing it to USC.

    First….there was a 2 minute phone call placed to the USC running back coach by the would-be agent on January 8, 2006. It was made to his cell phone at 1:30am the week AFTER Bush played his last game at USC. As it was a school night, McNair was almost certainly sleeping when the agent called him, and the guy only left a message…if that..there was no return call.

    That is the evidence the NCAA used to destroy USC. The NCAA questioned McNair about this, but stated the call accurred on January 8, 2005. When he said he was on the road recruiting at that time, the NCAA concluded he was lying (records show he was indeede on the road recruiting at that time..and that the NCAA had their dates off by a year, but never bothered to requestion him).

    Also….the $300,000 number is pure fantasy….there is a $14,000 with no paper trail as to where the money came from. There is also his family living in a middle-class home rent-free for a year. Also a few trips to away games for the Bush family, and then a couple of nights of hotel stays for Bush…that is all there is any sort of audit trail at all on. It adds up to about 20% of the $300,000 listed.

    All this meant nothing to Dee..he plowed ahead with the USC sanctions. He found the USC environment “disturbing”… that environment undoubtedly contained a few agents and runners…but it contained hundreds of school children, people with disabilities, “make a wish” kids, and just general fans. USC wanted practices to be fun and open to the community..and Dee crucified them for that… while letting millionaire boosters run out of tunnel with his team before games.

    This is the man the NCAA knowingly put in charge of the USC investigation…He was given a task…take down the USC program..he did that…his reward will now be that the NCAA will find any excuse possible to go light on the U…even though what they did was at least 100 times worse than what USC did…which was essentially that they failed to see that Bush’s 10 year old Chevy Impala might not have been bought by his parents for him.

  31. BrownsTown says: Aug 17, 2011 2:51 PM

    I get that F in CFT, but it seems to me that the hoops program is the one facing the more serious of penalties. They were taking a page from John Calipari’s playbook. ….. do I have to say “allegedly” there?

    I don’t see why they’d get the death penalty for something that can’t be proven to rise above some asst coaches. They’ll get hammered, but they’ll field a team of some sort for the next few years.

    Speaking of which, what happens to the implicated coaches that are currently employed at Bama, UF and UL? A tiger doesn’t usually change his stripes, so is it fair to assume that these folks are still playing fast and loose with the rules, albeit not as outlandish as they were at The U? Of course, we’re all fooling ourselves anyway if we don’t think almost every top-tier program has some skeletons in their closet, so does it even matter?

  32. ckenny8799 says: Aug 17, 2011 3:47 PM

    Is this true? Is Paul Dee, head of the infractions committee the same Paul Dee that was head of the athletic dept at Miami during these years? If this is true, he better lose his job and, like a judge/cop/lawyer that is found to violate a law or goes to jail, all decisions he has made should be voided. Therefore, USC, Ohio, and all these other schools that he has ruled against should be let off the hook b/c of his possible lack of morals.

  33. serenitynooww says: Aug 17, 2011 4:02 PM

    NCAA’s death penalty might be the right move…

  34. switzbeats88 says: Aug 17, 2011 4:14 PM

    hey buckifan just be happy with your stolen national title against Miami in 2003 when they game was over and a ref decided to throw a BS flag. No one cares about what you think you happen to the Canes

  35. jtk1985 says: Aug 17, 2011 4:38 PM


    I understand its hard to accept the fact that you guys did commit a penalty but there were actually 3 on the play by the same player. And to be honest with these allegations you guys shouldnt have been in the game to begin with.

  36. southbeachtalent says: Aug 17, 2011 4:42 PM


    Hope and pray all U want. No death penalty here.. Sorry.


  37. southbeachtalent says: Aug 17, 2011 4:47 PM

    HAHAHAHAHA that video clearly shows no pass interference. That flag flew in 2 seconds after the game was over. Horrible call. Even the OSU players knew it was over.

  38. russmk says: Aug 17, 2011 5:21 PM

    While the death penalty at Miami may be long over do, especially in light of the hard stomp on USC for the heresay evidence of a thrice convicted felon where even the FBI couldn’t find a money trail if this is real it has to be more sever. But is it worse then Auburn last year, Texas in 06, or Ohio State last year all of which got little to know penalties. At least two of those (not so much Auburn) are very visable schools just like SC, or Bama in 91, or what SMU was back in the day. Miami sits on the cusp with 5 national championships of moving to the “traditional power” designation that goes with 6 or more so a statment can be made here but the NCAA must be consistent. And it must also accept slapping the traditional powers and the elite programs (basically Michigan, USC, ND, and Alabama as those holding 10 or more National Championships) has a derogatory effect on the game and must balance accordingly. Balance may be admirable but letting schools like Boise State, Texas, Auburn, Florida etc. come to the field as equals, ignoring academics, ignoring tradition, it harms the game and that must be weighed as well. Miami was never an academic power house like Michigan, ND and SC are, so all they have is Football, take it away and what does that do to the Florida economy and the school as well as basically a death knell for the conference. All must be considered, my opinion, no bowls for 4 years, no TV for 1 year, 15 less scholarships for 5 straight years and probation for the next 10.

  39. cp3themvp says: Aug 17, 2011 5:29 PM

    Yahoo! makes SI reports look like a collection of badly written 6th grade research papers. The NCAA is almost forced to do next to nothing to Auburn, OSU and Oregon. That is unless they plan to eliminate The U from college athletics.

  40. jprcox says: Aug 17, 2011 5:56 PM

    None of the NCAA penalties work since they penalize the WRONG people. The people who get stuck with the mess are the new players who had nothing to do with the violations, the school, and the fans. The players responsible for the violations go off and make millions. How can the NCAA think that system of punishing everyone but the person responsible will work???

  41. luckyleft says: Aug 17, 2011 6:25 PM

    Miami will be severely punished, it’s just a matter how severe…..

    Will this ‘news’ finally get the NCAA to limit the power of the Boosters and Agents? Or will the NCAA actually start caring about putting an end to the institutions rule-breaking?

    The answer is NO to both questions.

    As long as the NCAA makes enough money off of these players and the games, they don’t care how it’s done. Punishment is an afterthought. USC was stripped of its 2004 NCAA title, but the NCAA wasn’t stripped of the money they earned for that game. You could say the same for Cam Newton and Auburn soon. The fact that the NCAA is tax-exempt is utterly appalling, and it’s ridiculous (I did a college paper about these issue, so I’ve done my research). The boosters have too much power because of the money they possess.

    On a side note, the reason that this information is so well put-out is Robinson was in prison and he was willing to put out so much information on the school he felt betrayed him, even if it’s partially true.

    Oh well, ESPN will be talking about this for months to come, if not longer…(I’m a Cane fan, BTW)

  42. denverdude7 says: Aug 17, 2011 6:34 PM

    Lets just face the facts.
    College football is a pay for play sport.

    If a school is in the mix for a national championship nearly every season then that school is cheating.

    Color it however you’d like. Since the mid-80’s one school after another has been found to be guilty of some type of violation.

    The schools that were not caught are simply better at hiding it than the others.

    Shut them all down or find a way to pay these college kids a little something so they won’t have to accept benefits from an agent just to be able to act like a college kid.

    Hey, are there any of those Tostitos and Budweisers left?? (Hint,Hint)

  43. jtk1985 says: Aug 17, 2011 7:09 PM


    Did you really compare the muti-million dollar allegations (including a booster putting multiple “bounties” out on opposing players) to the Tattoos for Autographs/trinkets allegations at OSU?

    This Miami mess if proven (and supposedly he has the paper evidence) is the worst college football situation since SMU by far. Its in a complete league of its own and hilarious considering the guy in charge of handing down the punishment was involved in the entire thing.

  44. paulbrownsrevenge says: Aug 17, 2011 7:13 PM

    They won’t get the death penalty because they generate too much revenue. SMU didn’t make money like crazy because there wasn’t a ton of cash and TV ratings to worry about, and college football wasn’t nearly as popular.

  45. mrcowpatty says: Aug 17, 2011 9:59 PM

    “SMU taught the committee that the death penalty is too much like the nuclear bomb,” Lombardi said in 2002. “It’s like what happened after we dropped the [atomic] bomb in World War II. The results were so catastrophic that now we’ll do anything to avoid dropping another one.”

    Apparently the 70 people that gave me a thumbs down are either stupid or just don’t get it. The bombs dropped on Japan killed more than a half a million people. SMU??? ZERO!!!!

  46. sysi45 says: Aug 18, 2011 12:35 AM

    I don’t know what the solution is but I do know that when you get recuited to go to a school they have a team member or pretty student show you the campus. They let you know all of the perks. It may not be the coaches or administration that does it but there are always plenty of boosters around to take care of you. Of course you have to be a potential star. If anyone does not know this or does not believe it, they are living in a dream world. It happens at all of the schools. Some more than others.

  47. florida727 says: Aug 18, 2011 7:35 AM

    southbeachtalent says:
    Aug 17, 2011 4:47 PM
    HAHAHAHAHA that video clearly shows no pass interference. That flag flew in 2 seconds after the game was over. Horrible call.
    Are you blind or just plain stupid? Set aside your obvious bias. Not one, THREE penalties on the same play… by the same defender. No wonder they went after him. He couldn’t guard an empty warehouse without committing a penalty. Holding. Facemask. Interference. Take your pick. Face it. You lost. And I’m not even a ‘Canes fan.

  48. waynefontes says: Aug 18, 2011 7:42 AM

    mrcowpatty says:
    Aug 17, 2011 9:59 PM
    “SMU taught the committee that the death penalty is too much like the nuclear bomb,” Lombardi said in 2002. “It’s like what happened after we dropped the [atomic] bomb in World War II. The results were so catastrophic that now we’ll do anything to avoid dropping another one.”

    Apparently the 70 people that gave me a thumbs down are either stupid or just don’t get it. The bombs dropped on Japan killed more than a half a million people. SMU??? ZERO!!!!


    I can’t speak for the other 70+ people, but I gave you a thumbs down for being overdramatic.

    The death penalty was a detterent and a warning to other NCAA schools about committing serious crimes. Kind of like the two atomic bombs sent a warning to the rest of the world about attacking America.

    Was dropping those bombs right? Was it wrong? That’s open to debate, and I can respect both sides on that issue. The Japanese are very prideful, and they would keep fighting to the bitter end. They were training their women and children to give their lives for their country. That is a proven and documented fact.

    Could I have been the guy who dropped one of those bombs? Honestly, I don’t know. I’ve been in arguments with people who would’ve had no problem doing it. I can respect both sides of that argument.

    I can’t respect somebody getting their panties in a wad over a simple analogy. And I don’t think the people of Nagasaki and Hiroshima are too concerned about the NCAA using that term.

    SMU eventually recovered. As did the people of Japan. By the way, people in China, North Korea and South Korea.. most of them HATE Japan. The Japanese did several horrible things over the last 100 years to people in MANY other Asian countries.

    I know, because I’ve lived in Asia and I’ve talked to older people and heard stories from people who were used as sex slaves for Japanese soldiers. People who had precious cultural artifacts be destroyed by the Japanese as a way of wiping out their heritage.

    So I’m not stupid, and I do get it. More than you.

    How’s that for literal translation, drama queen?

  49. fltacks says: Aug 18, 2011 11:42 AM

    Let’s review:

    You’re a legal adult, playing football for an institution that is charging as much as they can get from fans, TV networks and other sponsors to make as much money as they can off of your talents. Then, here comes the NCAA that tells you all you’re allowed to make is tuition, room, board and perhaps a small stipend. You’re not allowed to have a job to put yourself through college like every other student (and citizen of the US for that matter), and you’re not allowed to sell your services to the highest bidder. You’re participating in a farm system for the NFL for a salary mandated by a monopolistic organization.

    What if some nonprofit organization issued rules that put a ceiling on the amount YOUR employer paid YOU and prevented you from earning whatever you could bargain for? What if that organization slapped sanctions on your employer for paying you what you’re worth? How would you feel?

    Sports fans, this is the system college football operates under today, and this is INDEFENSIBLE. College football is not an amateur sport, it is a business that operates on a business model that is wholly dependent on systematically underpaying its employees. The rules applicable to college athletes deserve no respect from anyone, and should be challenged in court and thrown out in total. Athletes should be able to seek a market salary and benefits for their services, full stop. Whether the school pays, or boosters pay is irrelevent. The players’ most basic civil rights are being violated in a way neither you nor I would tolerate in our own lives, and it’s high time to tell the Emperor he has no clothes.

  50. southbeachtalent says: Aug 18, 2011 1:27 PM

    florida727 says:
    Aug 18, 2011 7:35 AM
    southbeachtalent says:
    Aug 17, 2011 4:47 PM
    HAHAHAHAHA that video clearly shows no pass interference. That flag flew in 2 seconds after the game was over. Horrible call.
    Are you blind or just plain stupid? Set aside your obvious bias. Not one, THREE penalties on the same play… by the same defender. No wonder they went after him. He couldn’t guard an empty warehouse without committing a penalty. Holding. Facemask. Interference. Take your pick. Face it. You lost. And I’m not even a ‘Canes fan.

    Well I’m not blind. Stupid? That’s up for debate.

    It’s a moot point, regardless OSU won. Obviously you are extremely passionate about the whole thing. Wonder why? Do you feel that flag was thrown a little late? Maybe?? Just a tad?

    P.S. You’re not a Canes fan? Really, hmm. Never would have guessed……….

  51. rharris50 says: Aug 18, 2011 2:31 PM

    @Switz, “stolen title”? “The game was over”? “A BS flag two seconds after the play”? Good grief, you really need to get a life! Consider the following: 1. That was 8 years ago, far too long ago to fixate on one ref’s call in a sporting event, even if it hadn’t been a good call; 2. Obviously, the game was NOT over–you surely know that the game cannot end on a penalty against the defense. I guess you mean the clock had run out, which of course, is irrelevant (for the reason I just explained to you); 3. the pass interference call was a close one, but definitely a judgment call, not a “BS” flag; 4. Even if that call was not appropriate, the replays (ad nauseum) show clearly, along with explanations of the other two calls that could have been made instead (defensive holding or face mask). They were unambiguous. Finally, you can’t possibly enjoy being a sports fan if you do not understand that even if you do lose a game that could have been won with only one changed call, you have to take responsibility for letting it come down to a single game to which you take exception (especially when you are overwhelming favorites and it was unimaginable that it could have ever gone to overtime.) The game was over a long time ago. Miami lost in a major upset, according to the rules of the game. Most of us have moved on. Please try to do the same. As a Miami fan, you have bigger issues to deal with this year than living in the past and wishing for what might have been if your team had not let OSU stay close enough to win in an incredibly tight finish in double overtime. The guys on the team know who is responsible. They have handled the loss with maturity. Please try to be equally mature.

  52. miamijoe55 says: Aug 18, 2011 3:21 PM

    RussMK you are totally ignorant when you state Miami is not an academic power. Miami has a higher required scores for entry than most schools and last year along with N. Dame the only 2 schools to graduate 100% of football players. They also don’t offer creampuff majors so your statement is way offbase.

  53. dcryan82 says: Aug 18, 2011 5:04 PM

    truth about the NCAA

  54. mrcowpatty says: Aug 18, 2011 9:47 PM

    waynefontes says:

    So I’m not stupid, and I do get it. More than you.

    How’s that for literal translation, drama queen?

    Drama queen, I like that!

    Apparently, you must be one of those want a be’s. If Lombardi used the tragedy in Joplin or northern Alabama as an example for the failures of Miami ,that would be AOK with you?

  55. southernpatriots says: Aug 19, 2011 4:27 AM

    In light of the allegations, there should be some response by the Dade County D.A., which at least should be conducting an investigation into the possible crimes committed. It appears that there are state laws that have been broken, as well as NCAA regulations.

    If we do not hear that the D.A. has begun an investigation, the news media should ask them why not?

  56. gladenole says: Aug 20, 2011 2:55 AM

    Miami should get the death penalty but wait. They are so insignificant now would there really be any difference if given the death penalty.
    They are already dead as far as football goes. Who wants to play in front of 30k fans. Heck if you want to do that just go to FSU you don’t need to go to scUm. We can’t even sell half of our tickets at Doak

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