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Witnesses to LSU bar fight claim Jefferson kicked victim in the head

Nick Fairley, Jordan Jefferson

Details of a Friday morning bar brawl allegedly involving LSU quarterback Jordan Jefferson and three other Tigers (players, not animals. Although that would be awesome.) are still being gathered by Baton Rouge police, but there are some new specifics coming forth about the incident that carry potentially damaging repercussions.

According to a series of new developments from Randy Rosetta of TigerSportsDigest, Baton Rouge PD spokesman Sgt. Don Stone confirmed a report that one of the four LSU players identified as suspects — the four being Jefferson, offensive tackle Chris Davenport, linebacker Josh Johns and wide receiver Jarvis Landrykicked one of the victims in the head. Initial police reports said that four victims, none of whom were players, were sent to the hospital following the fight.

Multiple witnesses to the incident told WAFB-TV on Friday that it was Jefferson who was the one doing the alleged “soccer kick”, although that has yet be confirmed by BRPD, which wished to interview the four LSU athletes tomorrow (Monday).

Those interviews have since been postponed by attorney Nathan Fisher, who is representing the players.

We don’t have a new date, and the reason it was postponed is because I just got into the case this morning at 8 o’clock, so I’m playing catch-up. I just met the kids this morning,” Fisher told the Times Picayune of New Orleans. “We’re going to try, as is the district attorney I’m sure, to get a quick resolution because of the obvious reason that the season is about to start.”

That means we could know within a matter of a couple weeks the fate of Jefferson and his teammates. If that fate rules against LSU, don’t be surprised to see one — or four — players missing from the Tigers’ season-opening game against Oregon.

UPDATED 7:40 ET: Sgt. Don Stone of the BRPD has now confirmed that the interviews with the four LSU players have been rescheduled for Tuesday.

However, Fisher has told Randy Rosetta that he has not been informed of the date change. Clearly, this matter is very much unsettled.

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81 Responses to “Witnesses to LSU bar fight claim Jefferson kicked victim in the head”
  1. alabamacowboy says: Aug 21, 2011 6:14 PM

    This might be a good thing for LSU. Now they can put a real quarterback on the field.

  2. southernpatriots says: Aug 21, 2011 6:15 PM

    We welcome the investigation by the detectives at the BR City Police who are well trained, well experienced and highly competent. The speculation and exuberance from obnoxious Duck fans is not welcome. We wanted only the best for Oregon when we heard of misfortunes players on their team faced over the last month or so and we will gladly serve all Oregon Duck fans first at our tailgate bbq and Cajun extravaganza in the parking lot of Jerry’s World prior to the game. We will gladly show you Southern and south Louisiana hospitality and the best food you ever ate.

    If the rumors hold true and JJ was involved in any agression beyond defending himself, our prediction of Zach coming in around the end of the first half will be one half off. Zach Mettenberger will start the game for LSU. Coach Miles is not playing with these players. He has expressed to them more than several times over the past few days how unacceptable, unwelcome, and unbecoming their violation of curfew and their involvement in the skirmishes.

    If they had not violated curfee, snuck out after curfew, violating team rules, they would have never been in this difficulty. The blame is on them for this. There may be more blame before it is over, with possible charges and possible law suits. All of that cannot be determined at this time until all the investigation has been conducted and conclusions are reached by the Baton Rouge police department.

    We certainly wish Coach Miles and the team well. Our prayers are that Coach would somehow have peace during this time, which has certainly been lacking because he is livid. God bless him and keep him from a stroke or heart attack or any other health problem.

  3. cometkazie says: Aug 21, 2011 6:22 PM

    The Advocate and WAFB have been on top of this and a whole lot closer than CFT, which pretty much has to depend on wire reports.

    The Advocate lags about 45min or so behind WAFB but that article is pretty good.

    CFT didn’t mention the witnesses who said JJ didn’t do any fighting.

    I wonder if curfew violations are winked at?

  4. cometkazie says: Aug 21, 2011 6:24 PM

    The link to the article did not go thru. It’s on the Baton Rouge Advocate web site. Same with WAFB.

  5. southernpatriots says: Aug 21, 2011 6:32 PM

    cometkazie!!!!!! It is sooooo great to hear from you! Have you moved yet? How are you?

    We are helping to tape and mud walls of homes that had to be rebuilt after the flood waters of the Mighty Mississippi flowed through central south Louisiana.

    We had a huge smoking yesterday of pork loins, pork roasts, chicken (Jamaican!), sausage, etc. and today in a few hours we will be at the prayer vigil in Th. where the young 7 year was viciously murdered and dismembered by his father last week. This has put the entire region in mourning. Special counselors were sent to every school in a 3 parish area. Our brother lives about 1 block away from the crime scene. The prayer vigil is at 7pm.

    Our relatives at LSU have witnessed Coach Miles turning red to purple while whaling away at those who snuck out after curfew and participated or were even there at 1-2 am. We have posted some of the quotes from Les that were overheard on previous reports on this topic on CFT.

    Cometkazie: it is great to hear from you!

  6. southernpatriots says: Aug 21, 2011 6:55 PM

    All LSU fans and CFT bloggers: WAFB has just reported that ….we paraphrase:

    Sgt. Don Stone of the Baton Rouge Police Department said the four LSU players will NOT meet with BRPD tomorrow as previously planned, arranged, and reported. Their attorney, Nathan Fisher, has requested 24 hours to review the case, so Sgt. Stone says they’re now looking at Tuesday morning at the earliest for the meeting.

    It is good that the players have a lawyer. This is way too important to them to be without legal representation.

  7. smokehouse56 says: Aug 21, 2011 7:30 PM

    Most college football teams have thugs, apparently LSU does also. If the QB did indeed kick someone in the head he should be given his walking papers.

  8. crazyfootballfun says: Aug 21, 2011 7:37 PM

    Where are these obnoxious Duck fans you are speaking of? As a diehard Duck fan, I do not know of any of my friends who are thrilled about this. It is a distraction away from what should be an awesome game! If we are good enough to win, if it is without LSU’s top players, we won’t get the credit we deserve. Lastly, if these allegations are true, we Duck fans can totally sympathize. We all felt kicked in the head when our star QB ( Masoli) was stupid and let the whole team down. Turns out it caused the team to work harder, and yes, that is exactly what could happen to LSU. All in all, it is a pretty sad situation though, and I feel for those innocent kids who are caught up in this.

  9. tigersgeaux says: Aug 21, 2011 8:12 PM

    smokehouse56: We have access to local news and friends at LSU. There are witnesses who have been interviewed by the police that say that JJ did not kick anyone on any part of their body, much less their head.

    If you and others would not jump to conclusions with all the evidence yet to even come into the police and certainly not reported by the news media and wire services and CFT, you would have greater credibility.

  10. cometkazie says: Aug 21, 2011 8:38 PM

    We have been in Ky a couple of months, a sea of blue rather than the purple and gold we have been used to.

    I told the locals I would take my LSU track and field, football, and baseball decals off my car when the Wildcats win a national championship. After all, the teams have about forty between them.

    I don’t see how anyone reading news wire reports can come to any conclusions besides the players were there.

  11. alexr5111 says: Aug 21, 2011 8:49 PM

    Kicking people in the head? What’s the big deal? It’s not like they sold their memorabilia. Nothing to see here

  12. southernpatriots says: Aug 21, 2011 9:07 PM

    cometkazie: You’re in the blue grass now! We are typing this during an interim in the vigil. Family members were giving great stories about this precious child. The mayor and police chief said just about everyone from the local area is here, and news media everywhere! Some folks we have met have come from Texas and Mississippi whose children have cerebral palsey as this precious 7 year old had. I can’t write any more or I will be crying.

    On the topic of the players. They broke curfew, snuck out against team rules, violated the trust of the coaches, then apparently somehow were talking outside the bar in the parking lot area and a large group of young men were in the area. Whether they were part of the group or not has to be determined.

    Someone wanted them to move, said some things that young men who have been drinking late at night might say to one another and honked the horn at the group of young men. An altercation began. Interviews are not providing consistent reports. Several witnesses said the LSU players kicked one or more of the others, other witnesses say that never happened.

    The lawyer for the LSU players said he may never let his clients talk to the police. He said that his standard policy is to never let his client speak directly to the police. So the police will continue interviewing other witnesses.

    cometkazie: Please keep in touch with us!

  13. buckeyeboy says: Aug 21, 2011 9:17 PM

    So we have witnesses saying one thing, and witnesses saying another

    unless they have video, I assume nothing will come of this. LSU fan witnesses would deny the LSU players doing anything…LSU haters may sit there and say yeah he did it.

    Jefferson may get away with assault if it was true just because its he said/she said

  14. buckeyebrownsfan says: Aug 21, 2011 10:03 PM

    @tigersgeaux- I do believe smokehouse56 said “IF” he kicked them in the head, he should get his walking papers. I don’t see where their credibility comes into play since that is the whole reason for this article. You are right in saying that there is a lot of evidence yet to come in, seeing as how atleast 4 witnesses that are being sought for interviews are being advised not to talk to police. I just wish everyone would stick to commenting on the articles, and not make it seem like I accidentally opened up a letter between two long lost friends.

  15. tigersgeaux says: Aug 21, 2011 10:26 PM

    buckeybrownsfan: you’re right about the “IF” but doesn’t the “if” also indicate, “if he did not kick him or anyone in the head, he should not get his walking papers.” CFT is unable to keep up with the latest developments as well as we who are local, viewing and listening to local news, having friends on the campus, are able.

    The matter of the 4 players to this point not speaking to police and maybe their lawyer will not allow them to ever speak to police is not information provided by CFT as far as I know. It is information we locals to this story are able to discover by listening to local news reports and may also be posted on local (Baton Rouge) news websites.

    buckeyeboy: Thank you for using your name again. You are right about the he said/she said to this point. Police are interviewing other witnesses which may change the perception. However, there is another view just as viable:
    the LSU players may be totally innocent of the accusation of kicking or starting the altercation and because of the he said/she said doubt in the eyes of some will always follow them. If that were the case, it would very bad.

  16. Deb says: Aug 21, 2011 10:33 PM

    A soccer kick? A football player–who isn’t a kicker–delivered a soccer kick to someone’s head?

    Sounds suspicious, if you ask me. Who were these witnesses anyway? Tourists or moms in minivans?

  17. southernpatriots says: Aug 21, 2011 10:40 PM

    Deb: Now this is serious! You don’t have to make us all laugh! We don’t have answers to your questions (and truthfully we did not even think of those questions!)…ha.

  18. cometkazie says: Aug 21, 2011 10:44 PM

    Me, I’m gonna have to talk to Chico and Johnny to find out what _REALLY_ took place.

  19. Deb says: Aug 21, 2011 10:46 PM

    @buckeyebrownsfan …

    In case you haven’t noticed, this is a wonderful site. The writers engage us rather than pretending we don’t exist. They post our comments as they’re submitted rather than making us wait hours for approval–which means we can converse, debate, and ponder aloud day and night. We’ve created a comment community where–as tigersgeaux points out–those of us with university contacts can share info before it’s available to the media. We can make friends, encourage one another … and say all those words that are forbidden in the hallowed halls of PFT … like cockroachthugFlorida. Those words are banned on the pro side, along with just about anything criticizing the writers or their articles. This place is bliss.

    So instead of complaining, be grateful. If you don’t want to read the personal exchanges, skip them.

  20. Deb says: Aug 21, 2011 10:52 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    Well, my serious response when I read about the soccer kick to the head was … ow.

    The players definitely deserve punishment for breaking team rules. And maybe they deserve to be in jail, too. But I still don’t believe they just walked into a bar and started hitting and kicking other patrons for no reason. I keep thinking about those people spitting on NFL players and other situations where athletes were antagonized beyond reason. Two sides to every story.

  21. WingT says: Aug 21, 2011 11:01 PM

    Rivals mentioned that the fight happened in the parking lot. A guy was blowing his horn trying to guys to move out of his way….

  22. buckeyebrownsfan says: Aug 21, 2011 11:45 PM

    Tigersgeaux- You’re right, the if could be interpreted either way I suppose. Just playing devils advocate I guess. If these players are in no way associated with what happened, I certainly hope their names are cleared. I think i would have a hard time keeping my mouth shut regardless of the advice of my attorney if i was implicated and knew I was innocent. Either way it’s certainly not an indictment on the whole university or the program that Miles is running.

    Deb- I do enjoy this website and all the pleasant folks who comment. I especially appreciate your posts and stance on most topics (even though you’re a steelers fan if I’m not mistaken 😉. I was just stating an opinion, and feel there are many forums better suited for off topic conversation. I didn’t intend to offend anyone. I will heed your advice. Best of luck to your teams this year!

  23. lawyermalloy says: Aug 21, 2011 11:53 PM

    I would think Nathan Fisher has a conflict of interest in representing 4 players, a few of which are less culpable than the others.

  24. ihateannouncers says: Aug 22, 2011 1:29 AM

    Like Herm says..”Nothing good ever happens after midnight!!”

  25. southernpatriots says: Aug 22, 2011 2:48 AM

    ihateannouncers: I think Herm listened to our MawMaw who used to tell us that many decades ago when we were teenagers and young adults. We have seen this truism proven time and time again and this time as well. So sad…none of this needed to happen if the players had just remainded in their beds after bed check at 10:30 pm. Wrong place at the wrong time and all the consequences now and in the future….uuugh. Help us all Lord to learn!

  26. florida727 says: Aug 22, 2011 8:24 AM

    I haven’t seen all the Les Miles quotes on this “southernpatriots”, but wouldn’t the players, including Jefferson, be suspended for the first game simply because they broke curfew? It falls under the category of “team rules”. Usually when that happens, there are consequences to pay, by default. The more serious charge, of course, is whether or not an assault or a battery took place, which obviously carries criminal implications with it. But isn’t the breaking of team rules also punishable? I’m a little surprised that just the curfew violation isn’t being handled more specifically. Maybe they don’t consider that a significant thing.

  27. southernpatriots says: Aug 22, 2011 8:35 AM

    Ben and all posters: The title of this topic could have easily have been: “Witnesses to LSU bar fight claim Jefferson did NOT kick victim in the head” since so far there have been about an equal number of witnesses which have said JJ and the other 3 players did not kick anyone in the head.

    Baton Rouge City Police detectives are continuing to work this case and conducting interviews of all people there. Well, almost all people there…except for JJ and his 3 fellow players whose attorney said it was his policy never to allow his clients to speak to the police. Hopefully through continued and continuing interviews the detectives are able to assemble a “preponderance of evidence” on this issue. At that time we will know more and probably know if LSU players will even charged with anything.

    Whether or not the players are charged by the police or if they are sued by anyone at the bar, they have had to and will contine to have to deal with Coach Les Miles who is NOT happy with them to put it extremely mildly.

  28. southernpatriots says: Aug 22, 2011 8:44 AM

    florida727: The Baton Rouge City Police told Coach Les Miles they are going to work overtime to gather all information and draw a conclusion very soon (maybe within a week).

    With this assurance from the police, Coach Miles is likely waiting until further information is received before he hands down more than his livid confrontations with these players. You don’t need to be very patient, just a little patient. We expect discipline to be meted to the players within a few more days.

  29. lakesidegator says: Aug 22, 2011 9:01 AM

    Nothing good happens after….. well, EVER.

  30. blitz4848 says: Aug 22, 2011 10:39 AM

    You all better check your sources…….

    Report is that not ONLY did Jefferson kick someone in the head it was a US Marine who tried to break up the fight!

    Baton Rouge police HAVE CONFIRMED that an LSU player did kick someone in the head but that’s all they will say!

    It’s also being report that CLOSER to 50 players broke curfew as this was a planned party to celebrate the end of “2 a days!”

    As I stated before Miles will spank these players hard (even if it means sacrificing the Oregon game) to get control for the long grindind SEC schedule….they can lose the Oregon game and still control their destiny by winning the SEC so look for MORE than just Jefferson to beseverly disciplined!

  31. paulbrownsrevenge says: Aug 22, 2011 11:26 AM

    I’ve heard enough LSU fans say Mettenberger is the better fit for the Tigers at QB. He comes with a little baggage though. LSU fans shouldn’t be worried. Jefferson is solid, but not that good.

    As for the big game, Don’t count it being that good. LSU will win by 2 scores. Games are won on the line of scrimmage. When Oregon plays teams with good defensive lines they lose. (boise st, ohio state, and auburn) Oregon’s defense is average at best. Boyett and Cliff Harris are studs, but that’s it. Stanford will be the team everyone talks about by years end. The Ducks defense will let them down.

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  33. chiefcarnes says: Aug 22, 2011 11:49 AM

    The man said, “nothing good ever happens after midnight” is right on.

  34. dcrams20 says: Aug 22, 2011 12:59 PM

    Memo to all college football players: Your youthful judgement is clouded to begin with. Mix this with alcohol, an oversized ego, running with your teammates, and being “challenged” by someone half your size – and the results will not be good. THINK AHEAD! Do not put yourself in these situations!

  35. ihateannouncers says: Aug 22, 2011 1:41 PM

    You all better check your sources…….
    CFT is my source. I assume as soon as more info hits the wires, they will put it on here. Until then I will continue to wonder what Les Miles is thinking. Imagine the pressure he is under with Oregon just around the corner and having to deal with this situation. At the very least he has a major curfew issue to deal with. “Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop drinking..”

  36. florida727 says: Aug 22, 2011 2:40 PM

    “southernpatriots”, thanks for the update. Wish the best for you guys as fans. I’m sort of surprised that Miles didn’t come out and say at the very least they’ll be suspended for (fill in the blank timeframe) for breaking curfew. Then again, it probably does make more sense to NOT piece-meal it, just do it once and be done with it, which would explain the wait on BRPD input.

    In any event, hope it doesn’t alter results on the field. If you guys are good enough to go undefeated, and challenge for a national championship, I’d hate to see you lose a game early on because of ‘player stupidity’.

  37. Deb says: Aug 22, 2011 3:50 PM

    @buckeyebrownsfan …

    Didn’t mean to be so testy. Just went a few rounds with an under-fuhrer on PFT … which always makes me hyper defensive of everything to do with CFT (hugs and kisses, JT and Ben!!!). :)

    Yes, I’m a Steelers fan, but your Browns are looking good!! Colt has just blown me away. Should be an exciting season in the AFC North!!

  38. Deb says: Aug 22, 2011 3:58 PM

    blitz & WingT …

    I’m like ihateannouncers … get most of my info here on things like this. So I don’t know from Marines or parking lots and honking horns.

    Will say that if I were in my car blowing my horn at LARGE people who wouldn’t move, I wouldn’t have gotten out of my car to physically challenge said LARGE people. That sounds either fishy or very very unwise.

    The Marine story sounds contrived, blitz, though it could be true. But I learned working overseas that whenever “official” sources were reporting guerilla action, they always made sure to mention that a busload of disabled first-grade burn victims was a few feet away from the attack. Funny how they never caught any of them on camera though. Not that I’m cynical …

  39. neworleans4ever says: Aug 22, 2011 4:10 PM

    I am personally hoping that Miles comes down hard on the players involved, even if it turns out they are guilty of nothing more than violating the curfew. I’m glad to see based on these comments that many people who love LSU football agree.

    And just to echo @crazyfootballfun, I have friends who are Oregon fans, and they have been universally sympathetic. They are not interested in playing anything but our absolute best squad. At least that’s what they say! ;->

  40. southernpatriots says: Aug 22, 2011 4:13 PM

    florida727: Once again we believe you have it exactly correct. On campus sources indicated a desire on Coach’s part not to piece meal the penalty, give them one for breaking curfew, just going to the bar after curfew and then later if the BR Police find some involvement in the altercation(s), he would then have to return to the matter and dispense further discipline.

    If just for the curfew violations the players are suspended, it would seem that would affect their performance v. Oregon unless the remaining players really came out with even greater determination and performances, which is possible for young guys.

    buckeyebrownsfan: your Browns are looking better than we have seen in a long time. We are Saints fans (even when they were ‘Aints…ha.) We have know many players over the decades and our favorite has been (and is) Archie Manning (which went completely against our LSU blood line) and now Drew who truly has helped us rebuild in South Louisiana and New Orleans. For years the Saints practiced in almost our back yard in south Louisiana and Manning still holds a camp there, with his sons, every year.

    Continuing to follow with heartache the unfolding story of the stupidity of some LSU players which brought all this on themselves.

  41. neworleans4ever says: Aug 22, 2011 4:22 PM

    @Deb, the reports I read said the the driver who honked was pulled from his car. But, as you say, it would be better all around if there was some video of this fracas. Surely with everyone and his dog carrying a cell phone and posting to FB , someone must have taped it.

  42. monkeyneck says: Aug 22, 2011 4:58 PM

    Based on my experience in southern bars, I wouldn’t be shocked if it comes out that the guy driving the truck yelled something ignorant (racial) at the people in the parking lot when they wouldn’t move and it sparked the aggressive behavior.
    The players still should have been responsible enough to not have reacted, or even been there in the first place, but something set them off. If anyone takes offense that I’m generalizing southerners, I’m not. But anyone that denies that the element still exists in droves in places like Baton Rouge is naive.

  43. Deb says: Aug 22, 2011 5:01 PM

    @neworleans4ever …

    Yikes!! Believe I’d lock my car doors before honking at LARGE people 😉

    It sounds as though Les is going to take a hard line, and I hope the NCAA leaves it to him. Things like this–that don’t involve pay-for-play or recruiting violations–should be handled by the coach (assuming the coach is conscientious, as Miles seems to be). It’s a crying shame if it winds up hurting the Tigers in the standings, but better to take a hit earlier in the season. And while we SEC fans never want the conference to lose an OOC contest, that would be better for LSU than to lose a more important game. As an SEC fan, I’m hoping losing any of these players wouldn’t make a difference when LSU faces the Ducks.

  44. Deb says: Aug 22, 2011 5:06 PM

    Doggonit, monkeyneck, I was all set to jump you for generalizing Southerners.

    Does anyone know what kind of bar this was … who are the primary clientele? (That’s my polite way of asking if it was a bar that caters to students or some redneck joint out in the sticks.)

  45. thetimestheyrchangin says: Aug 22, 2011 5:19 PM

    Long after I was no longer a student at LSU we went down to South Gate bars; a friend got drunk, and soccer kicked a kid in the head, much to my surprise.

    Nobody accused him of anything, the guy who got kicked, held his hand to his head, cried, and walked off.

    But these ball players are paid stars!! They are left envelopes of money in their lockers, they get apartments in other’s people’s names, they drive new cars, and live a grand lifestyle, even someone who is as dumb as a brick like Jefferson, who seemingly only knows ten plays. They get to live the life of Reilly, and are local rock stars.

    What in the world they are doing out at a bar kicking people’s heads, and lawyering up a few days before a big game? Who knows. I’d be purple if I were Les Miles, I’d be lawyering up if I was gonna get sued, and the locals all have a right to speculate on all of this.

    But who really cares? The team will be better off in the long run without losers like this, who don’t have the sense God gave them.

    I say good riddance.

    Lonny Dunn, Sr.
    Editor and Author, I Tweet at @ProNetworkBuild

  46. cometkazie says: Aug 22, 2011 5:34 PM

    Where did I read that the players were celebrating the end of two a days? Either here or on the WAFB site, I think.

    If that is so, it appears to me that the sneak out after curfew was planned and the question in my mind is whether this sort of thing is tolerated by looking the other way, wink, wink, but it can’t be ignored this time?

  47. southernpatriots says: Aug 22, 2011 5:49 PM

    cometkazie: WAFB website. It may be that the seniors were following somewhat of a tradition handed down to them by those ahead of them and now that they are the leaders, they in turn lead the younger ones astray. How wonderful (sarcasm) if that is the case!

    Already discipline and restrictions have come forth from Coach Miles but he is waiting a few more days until the BRPD come forth to him with their findings before handing down the full discipline, which appears will include suspensions.

  48. southernpatriots says: Aug 22, 2011 6:46 PM

    WWL college football analyst Mike Detillier is reporting and concluding that Coach Les Miles will suspend starting QB Jefferson and the other 3 players involved in the melee. The suspension that Miles intends is the suspension from the first game of the season v. Oregon.

    We can add this addendum from other sources: only if the BRPD findings completely exonerate the 4 players or if they were just defending themselves may that lessen the discipline that Coach is currently planning. Other disciplinary measures are planned for all other players who violated curfew but were not involved in the melee.

  49. thetimestheyrchangin says: Aug 22, 2011 6:56 PM

    Jefferson not starting is not the worst thing that can happen to this ON Field, that is for sure. He is unpredictable on his best days, and the receiver stats were horrible last year, not because they were not world class athletes, but because Jefferson could not get them the ball, overthrew, underthrew and everything in between.

    There is something dysfunctional about the guy, and there are plenty of LSU fans worldwide who would like to see him not play, even if they don’t want to admit it.

    This is a good way to handle it, suspend the guy, and send a message that no such shenanigans should occur in the future.

    This is in the best interests of the team, because it is the right thing to do, and a Championship team steps up, fills in the gaps, and plays on. There is plenty enough talent and please — have faith.

    Imagine what this team can do when it really wants to win?

    Geaux Tigers

  50. southernpatriots says: Aug 22, 2011 7:00 PM

    thetimestheyrchangin: Thank you for your encouragement. We bleed purple and gold for ourselves and our heritage. We will have faith, as you have exhorted. Thank you again. Please keep posting on CFT. We need you.

  51. neworleans4ever says: Aug 22, 2011 7:02 PM

    I agree with the previous posts. The punishment that’s probably coming sounds harsh, but if we’re going to hold up our heads when LSU takes the BCS next January — and I still think they can win it all — then this is the way things have to be.

  52. Deb says: Aug 22, 2011 7:51 PM

    Lonnie Dunn Sr., are you just slandering NCAA athletes in general or can you furnish some proof that these specific LSU players are being paid under the table and living the life of Riley? No one knows yet exactly what happened, but it’s ridiculous to assume that a college athlete should be able to metabolize alcohol or excercise self-control in a volatile situation any better than your idiot friend.

    These players have violated team rules and their coach is already addressing that. If they’ve also broken any laws, I’m sure the authorities will pursue that aspect of the situation. But since you don’t know them and weren’t there, it’s ridiculous to assume they’re dirty, stupid, and violating NCAA sanctions just because they’re college football players.

  53. thetimestheyrchangin says: Aug 22, 2011 10:53 PM

    I am not slandering anybody. This is the world in which we live. There has never been an SEC kid turn down the perks of their position. When LSU sends kids into the NFL who can barely read their contracts, and can’t read a playbook, but make 25 million dollars, do you think they actually studied in school, Deb? Either you are just asking rhetorical questions, wish to pick a bone with me, or are living in a dream world.

    I have sat on the 50 yard line, and screamed my brains out as a student for these players, I live and breathe them now, as I work in a state away from all the live action, but I am still a fan. This does not make me delusional, nor ignorant of what goes on with kids like Jefferson. It is a well known fact, the kid only knew 12 plays last year, as a matter of fact, one brilliant fan put together a video, showing this very thing. He outlined that Mr. Jefferson could only do those twelve plays, and when something went wrong, so did the outcome of the down. He’d miss his throws, get sacked, the plays went the wrong way.

    It’s not just LSU, there are other SEC quarterbacks that have graduated College programs who can’t read, who don’t even understand the contracts they are signing …. they did not earn their education, they were GIVEN an education.

    Yes, I am saying Jefferson is one of those kids. It is obvious the kid is not smart, as this most recent episode indicates.

    AND I think this team can AND WILL win without him, and an embarassment to keep promoting him. The Tigers ARE most definitely a higher quality team if they suspend him, and yes, there are lots of goings on at NCAA schools where the rules are violated. IE: Reggie Bush, Ohio State, even oh gosh, LSU.

  54. paulbrownsrevenge says: Aug 22, 2011 11:06 PM

    I heard the bar was called Shady’s on Cowherd today.

  55. Deb says: Aug 22, 2011 11:17 PM

    @Mr. Dunn …

    This isn’t about fan blindness, it’s about keeping it real. And I really can’t say that all SEC athletes are illiterate and corrupt. Then again, I’m an Alabama fan. Our championship QB was a Rhodes Scholar candidate and our Heisman-winning running back finished his degree in three years and set up a charitable foundation immediately after being drafted to the NFL. I suspect LSU has turned out a few honorable, intelligent athletes, too.

    Yes, I’m aware there’s a problem with pay-for-play in the NCAA (not just the SEC). And yes, I’m aware there’s a problem with players not getting adequate educations in the NCAA (not just the SEC). I’ve posted on that issue many times. And as an LSU fan, you may be aware that Jefferson is a blooming idiot and the team is better off without him. I won’t argue with you there. My argument was with your generalizations … because generalizations are generally odious.

  56. Deb says: Aug 22, 2011 11:21 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    You and I are usually on the same page. You liked thetimetheyrchangin’s snotty generalizations about athletes being stupid and taking money under the table? That doesn’t sound like any of you. Are you skipping sleep again? :)

  57. thetimestheyrchangin says: Aug 22, 2011 11:52 PM

    Deb, I stick by my orig post, To Wit: “But these ball players are paid stars!! They are left envelopes of money in their lockers, they get apartments in other’s people’s names, they drive new cars, and live a grand lifestyle….” ( in part )

    Yes, I am stating this about these 4 athletes. You replied that I was making generalizations, and that is about as specific as I can be. Now if you would like me to be more specific, I can start discussing whole programs that have been suspended, Coaches fired, Championships taken away, but that was never my intent to lump the entire 100k athlete NCAA system into my characterisation.

    When we watch some of the fastest, talented and just dog gone great specimens of humanity jump around the field like superstars, we have to wonder why they came to play at our school, what’s in it for them, and why they didn’t go somewhere else? And Deb, these incidents are never isolated. They generally speak of other problems with the player’s character, some disconnect with reality and some dysfunctionality in the homelife or upbringing. Not to mention some of it is the coddling and spoiling being done by the Coaches, and atmosphere in which they live now, as opposed to where they come from.

    Anyway, I don’t see a squabble here. I see a dumb kid who probably can’t read, and probably won’t make it very far in this world except for his athletic skills. I sure as heck don’t put him on a pedestal, and I hope some of the backers, alumni and boosters are reading this, because for my part, I don’t live in denial. I know what the kid is, and am not afraid of stating the truth. Like you, Deb, I didn’t get this far in life by living in denial.

    BTW? Do you tweet? You can find me at

  58. abrellbama says: Aug 23, 2011 12:11 AM

    A resolution in a couple of weeks? The season opener is 9/3. This needs to be resolved IMMEDIATELY. LSU has too much at stake for this to be happening now.

  59. Deb says: Aug 23, 2011 12:15 AM

    @changingtimes …

    With respect to poet of a generation, that name is too long to keep typing. No, I don’t tweet. And I’m far too notorious on here and PFT to give up my anonymity :)

    If you were talking only about the four athletes involved rather than generalizing about all SEC or NCAA athletes, I’ll step back on the keyboard lashing. Because no matter how corrupt some programs are and no matter how privileged or illiterate some athletes are, not all programs are purposely corrupt and not all athletes are privileged.

    But … if you’re a professional sports blogger and insisting these four athletes “are left envelopes of money in their lockers, they get apartments in other’s people’s names, they drive new cars, and live a grand lifestyle” without legitimate sources to back up your claims, you’re a bloody fool. I write and edit professionally, too. Yeah, it’s tough for public figures to pursue libel cases in this media environment … but it is possible. Then again, I just focus on doing my job responsibly. That way I don’t have to worry about the legalities. Speculation–no matter how reasonable–isn’t fact.

  60. Deb says: Aug 23, 2011 12:17 AM

    Oh dear … I forgot to close my italics. That means it’s time to call it a night.

  61. abrellbama says: Aug 23, 2011 12:18 AM

    Jordan Jefferson’s GPA was 3 going into college which is pretty good. I understand it is still in the 3.0 range in college. I would NOT call that stupid or illiterate.

  62. thetimestheyrchangin says: Aug 23, 2011 12:31 AM

    I don’t really do trolls well, Deb. I said what I said, and stick by it. I hide behind no anonymity, so if someone wants to come after me for comments in Bleacher report forum, so be it. I’ve said worse about the President, Movie Stars, and other Public people. They put themselves in stupid situations, get the cops called on them, I can chat about it. As far as you picking typing battles with those who visit this thread, that is up to you how you spend your time. I don’t think it behooves the sports world to continue to live in denial that athletes take money, or steroids or any of the other nonsense that goes on. I live in reality, not denial. Have a nice night, and enjoy the game, whoever plays in it. There are other games that day to watch as well.

  63. ihateannouncers says: Aug 23, 2011 12:33 AM

    There has never been an SEC kid turn down the perks of their position. When LSU sends kids into the NFL who can barely read their contracts, and can’t read a playbook, but make 25 million dollars, do you think they actually studied in school, Deb?
    Seems like a generalization to me. I am no LSU fan but I would assume guys like Ryan Clark, Alan Faneca, Jacob Hester, Y.A. Tittle(didn’t know that) etc.. would argue with you about your statement. I know there are guys that went to college just to get to the NFL and probably are illiterate, but when you say things like ‘never been a kid…’, it is a generalization.

  64. southernpatriots says: Aug 23, 2011 6:32 AM


    Thanks for giving us the benefit of the doubt….sleep deprivation due to the horror and trying to help families with young children who are traumatized. Another horror just happened…a young 12 year old boy went to the restroom at a Burger King but forgot to lock the door behind him.

    A 51 year old male predator came behind him and brutally raped the young boy. The young boy had to be taken to a New Orleans hospital for special care. The precious young boy gave enough description of this pervert that the pervert was caught, less than a mile from where the 7 year old cerebral palsy wheel chair bound precious boy was brutally murdered and dismembered last week.

    This is more than horrible. Children are traumatized. One precious child is dead the other child will be in need of continuing therapy, prayer, and hopefully healing. The whole area has never experienced these horrors before and is in shock. Neighbors and friends are calling crying uncontrollably. We have been staying up with them, catching some naps during the day when possible.

    We are speaking also with some experts from Houston and St. Louis to make sure we are doing all we can. We will be implementing some new steps soon, which hopefully will help with some prevention in the future.

    The Times Picayune is trying to gain new readership after decades of insignificance around the state and may have some revelation on the LSU players matter. They seem to have the inside track at this moment.

  65. southernpatriots says: Aug 23, 2011 6:39 AM

    Deb: We read thetimes… post immediately preceding our post reply and commendation and we must be very out of it, but we agree in general and appreciate his encouragement…truthfully we have not read all posts and not all of his due to the situations we outlined above which are dominating our time.

  66. Deb says: Aug 23, 2011 12:51 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    I’ll talk to you about these tragedies on another thread. When you’re able, come back and read all the posts on this thread. I believe you’ll agree thetimestheyrchangin is just a jerk spewing hyperbole on CFT to promote his own site. No, CFT doesn’t need him.

  67. Deb says: Aug 23, 2011 1:06 PM

    @Dunn …

    You don’t have much use for trolls? Well, if your definition of a troll is someone who comments anonymously on a blogsite, why are you here? All CFT’s commenters use pseudonyms. But we’re here having fun blogging about football. You are the troll who’s here trying to build an audience for your own Web site by making idiotic and outrageous statements. I don’t have an agenda, other than being an NCAA fan. This is my hobby, not a promotional forum.

    Oh, so you’re proud of making libelous comments about public figures? Bully for you. When publishing companies, magazines, and newspapers contract and pay you to write, you’re held to a higher standard of ethics than when you just start a Web site and blather about whatever pops into your head.

    I’m not naive and neither are any of the other CFT commenters. We are all aware of the schools under investigation, those being sanctioned, and the other problems in college football. But we’re all smart enough to know you can’t damn every program, every coach, every booster, or every player because of Reggie Bush, Jim Tressel, or North Carolina. Declaring that you know better than anyone else may make you feel like a big man but it doesn’t make it so. Nor does it take any football insight or reporting skill to just declare the entire system corrupt without attempting to find the where, who, or why.

    I’m a longtime regular on this blog. And like many other longtime regulars, yes, I do challenge ridiculous, uniformed, hyperbolic statements. That’s part of the fun. abrellbama and ihateannouncers have made good points. And if they weren’t so preoccupied, I imagine southernpatriots would have shredded you. Sorry if you thought you were just going to come here and school the little pea brains with your brilliance :roll:

  68. gatorcheme says: Aug 23, 2011 2:04 PM


    What do you drink in the morning and where can I get some?

  69. Deb says: Aug 23, 2011 2:12 PM

    @gatorcheme …

    ROFL … protein shakes :)

  70. cometkazie says: Aug 23, 2011 5:01 PM

    abrellbama says:
    Aug 23, 2011 12:18 AM
    Jordan Jefferson’s GPA was 3 going into college which is pretty good. I understand it is still in the 3.0 range in college. I would NOT call that stupid or illiterate.


    I officiated high school and NCAA track and field when I was in BR. I was approached by the coach at one of the boondock schools out in the piney woods north of the lake. (Ponchartrain). One of his kids was very talented and he wanted me to put in a good word with the LSU coaches. She had a 3.7gpa, he said.

    I mentioned this to one of the asst. coaches. He knew of the girl and had checked on her. Turns out her test score was 14, which, I am told, you can get by randomly answering the multiple guess answers. Grades in many schools, apparently, don’t mean anything.

    This is an anecdote. Take it FWIW.

    I was talking with one of the shot putters there who I had known from his prep years. Really nice kid. Asked him how is grades were. He told me they were “slipping,” which, for him, meant his average was under 3.5.

  71. ihateannouncers says: Aug 23, 2011 5:44 PM

    You are the troll who’s here trying to build an audience for your own Web site by making idiotic and outrageous statements…
    Well said Deb. We have seen this type of garbage on this site as well as PFT. This goofball posts ridiculous drivel to get real fans all fired up with the hopes that we will go to his little sight. What he doesn’t realize, until you so expertly schooled him, is that we have seen it before and if he is going to bring that mess to this site, he is going to need a much stronger game. Next….

  72. Deb says: Aug 23, 2011 7:33 PM

    @ihateannouncers …

    Thanks :)

    @cometkazie …

    The coach who approached you was trying to get that girl an opportunity. I don’t see anything wrong with that.

    Many athletically gifted students see sports as their ticket out of horrific neighborhoods or challenging home lives. They may not have the intellectual potential or have been provided an environment that would let them excel academically. Does that mean they shouldn’t get the opportunity their physical gifts provide? Should a less talented athlete get a place on the team because he’s more intellectually gifted? After all, he’s being recruited to play sports, not to further the course of science or literature.

    You can’t expect kids who’ve never had any academic prep to suddenly show up at college and be good at it. That’s why colleges need to provide a lot of intensified instruction to the less intellectual athletes. And I do think that is the institution’s responsibility.

  73. southernpatriots says: Aug 23, 2011 9:37 PM

    Deb: Protein shakes? Sometimes we don’t know if you are being humorous or serious or both. Are there protein shakes nowadays that taste better than cardboard? The ones we had years ago truly almost made one nauseous…ha. Are there protein shakes for folks with high glucose (not to raise it much higher in other words)?

    Very sound reasoning and great articulation in the post just preceding. Even we can understand what you wrote….ha.

  74. Deb says: Aug 23, 2011 11:12 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    No, I’m serious LOL Protein shake and coffee every morning. My brother used to drink it back when he was single and into weight-training. I was visiting for a weekend and tried one. Been addicted to the things ever since :)

  75. southernpatriots says: Aug 24, 2011 5:02 AM

    crazyfootballfun says:Aug 21, 2011 7:37 PM

    “Where are these obnoxious Duck fans you are speaking of?”

    crazyfootballfun: We would have responded to your posed question much earlier but we had pressing emergency work in south Louisiana. We all give you the benefit of the doubt because you appear to be a kind and considerate fan, that you did not read the numerous postings by obnoxious Duck fans on related threads since this news broke on CFT.

    We thought that Notre Dame fans were some of the worst fans we had experienced, but some of the fans of your team have them beat. We do not have the time nor the interest to provide all the comments for you and other reasonable Duck fans to read, but if you would read all the related threads you would see them, especially as you go back to some of the first CFT reports on this situation…

    On the topic “Police Want to Interview…” posting by squackduckhawk Aug. 21, 2011 4:03 PM “I admit that Duck fans are some of the most obnoxious people in all of fandom.” We respectfully agreed with squackduckhawk on that thread as we do now. Some Duck fans posting on this topic concerning LSU need to demonstrate more class, which we would hope all would have.

  76. southernpatriots says: Aug 24, 2011 9:21 AM

    Deb: We are central and south Louisianans, either by a long lineage, or by adoption, so we all drink coffee. Some like our MawMaw drank up to 18 cups (more like 1/3 cups) of coffee a day. Most of us are less addicted than that, but we like our coffee, Community Coffee, the state coffee of Louisiana. You have probably discerned I am typing this while sipping on a cup! ha.

    When we have them we love our truly The Best Ever pecan pralines with our coffee. Black, or cafe au lait, we like them all. Several family members are working on a new recipe for an Ultimate Coffee Cake which we will make later this month for the teachers.

    Now the protein shake is problematic for us all. Our last try at one was decades ago, maybe some of first generation. It was horrible. What kind, type, brand, flavor, or whatever do you like?

  77. crazyfootballfun says: Aug 24, 2011 3:31 PM

    Southern Patriot….I did not read those obnoxious Duck fans, and I am glad I didn’t…you might not think I was so nice. Sadly, there are some fans who are classless in both winning and in defeat. To be happy for the tough stuff that happens to others is simply beyond my thinking. Hopefully they will grow up…someday. thanks for all the good work you are doing.

  78. southernpatriots says: Aug 24, 2011 6:57 PM

    crazyfootballfun: Thank you. Posting what they posted we think only served to show their immaturity or possible lack of character. As your alias indicates, football is to be fun or entertainment. Some take it much too seriously.

    We hope to be able to progress the Neigborhood Watch another step tomorrow. The Chief of Police of this little town in south Louisiana which has experienced such great horror is interested in us expanding NW to his whole town eventually. This is a great honor and responsibility.

  79. Deb says: Aug 25, 2011 10:20 PM

    Oh, southernpatriots, I forgot about this thread. The brand is EAS Myoplex. It comes in several flavors, both as a powder you can mix and as a ready-made shake. If you use the powder, you can mix it with anything from coffee to sugar-free Kool-aid to make all kinds of flavors. It’s about 40 grams of whey protein and 25 grams of carb plus fiber and your full intake of vitamins.

    The company originally was big into developing body-building supplements–a lot of players advertised for them. I believe they sold recently and focus more on shakes and bars now. Maybe it’s psychological, but it revs me up for the day and has been my breakfast for years. Even if I’m invited to a breakfast, I’ll have it for lunch or something. I still like breakfast foods, though, and often have cereal or oatmeal for lunch or eggs & grits for dinner :)

  80. southernpatriots says: Aug 25, 2011 11:16 PM

    Deb: We think everyone has forgotten about this thread. There are now so many dealing with the LSU situation, one would think there is no other story line with the new season starting in a few weeks.

    Would WalMart or Sam’s Club have the EAS Myoplex? Breakfast is a favorite to us as well, but when we are preparing for a big feast or doing other things (such as this Neighborhood Watch start up) we cease cooking, well almost, and concentrate on the big meal or the big project. A protein meal would be a good asset to have especially since it is flexible and can be mixed with sugar free Kool Aid and similar.

    Have a wonderful and blessed evening and night!

    From Helen, GA we get coarse ground grits with the live germ still in it. It has such a richer, deeper flavor and is great in every way, but takes longer to cook. We also get special cut oats and my brother makes the very best Ultimate Oat Meal cookies. We are trying to find his latest tested and improved recipe but it is in a desktop computer packed away with my daughter’s stuff in storage…maybe the last box in the storage…ha.

  81. Deb says: Aug 26, 2011 4:58 PM

    Oh, it figures you’re going to extra trouble on your oats and grits! LOL

    With the recent sale of the company, you can now find Myoplex at places like Walmart, and probably Sam’s, though I haven’t checked there. I haven’t looked for the powder, but they carry the ready-made shakes in the aisle with protein shakes and bars. I drink the original, which is considered a bodybuilding supplement. But there’s also a Myoplex Lite, which has less protein. Vitamin Shoppe, GNC, and online sales are my usual resources. It can be expensive, so I try to get it whenever it’s on sale. You may not like it, but the taste is better than those things were when I was a kid :)

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