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‘Canes should know eligibility fate within 48 hours

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When it was reported late last week that eight Miami football players had been declared ineligible by the school, it was unclear if a decision on their eligibility, one way or the other, would be made before the opener on Labor Day.

According to the Hurricanes’ head coach, the program should find out sooner rather than later.

During an interview Monday with a radio station in Miami, Al Golden said the school should receive a ruling from the NCAA on the eligibility of the players at some point “in the next 48 hours.”  He added that the program should hear from the NCAA today if there are any additional questions they have on the allegations that numerous current players had received impermissible benefits.

Only two of the eight players reportedly declared ineligible have been named — quarterback Jacory Harris and linebacker Sean Spence.

For what it’s worth, Harris stated over the weekend that he thinks he will play this season.  And that he’s really fond of penguin eggs.  Or something.

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  1. lakesidegator says: Aug 29, 2011 12:37 PM

    I heard that the fix may be in. Unsure as to the credibilty of that.
    Also heard that Shapiro is having some difficulties in prison. Pretty sure about THAT.

  2. bender4700 says: Aug 29, 2011 12:46 PM

    The NCAA is screwed.

    They declare Jacory Harris eligible, he plays, they are stuck.

    Can they then come out slam them for the Yahoo! Sports accusations of illegal benefits for players, including Jacory Harris, and punish Miami?

    The NCAA knows everything they need to know. Just because their investigators didn’t do the work doesn’t mean the evidence delivered isn’t accurate.

    But how can they say “Jacory Harris is eligible” knowing he is apart of the report?

    If he is cleared, I think it’s a good indication that the NCAA has little plans of doing anything to Miami for the Yahoo! Sports report.

    Just a big friggin mess. If I’m Al Golden, I sit the players. Take a stand, then if they are proven to have participated in the illegal benefits, he doesn’t have his season taken away, and he gains instant credibility with fans sick of the cheating.

  3. jaxupra says: Aug 29, 2011 1:13 PM

    Last year, UNC started with 14 held out and the NCAA didn’t finalize their investigation for all until after the season was over.

  4. bender4700 says: Aug 29, 2011 1:24 PM

    And now they lost their Head coach, and face some stiff penalties from the NCAA.

    So if these kids are all cleared, it puts the NCAA in a bad spot. You can’t just let them play, and expect everyone to be ok with vacated wins.

    Ask Arkansas if they won their BCS game last year. We all know who won. The NCAA let 5 players play who shouldn’t have. Look how that worked out.

    It’s just a mess. Ohio State got special treatment, plus we’d hate for the BCS games to get a lower TV rating.

    Hmmm, it’s almost like money is dominating the NCAA, and their prevention of any money getting to the people earning their money for them.

  5. atxcane says: Aug 29, 2011 1:30 PM

    I know this comment will be dismissed by many as made by a homer with orange and green glasses, but hopefully the few who read it will benefit.

    Take a step back and look at the Yahoo report for what it is: it is a report of allegations, made by a person who openly admits he has a vendetta. It is NOT the full story, as it is obviously only Shapiro’s story. The man who tells the story is a convicted fraud, a skilled liar. He utilizes half-truths and manipulates what is presented to paint a picture that is not real. He bilked investors out of $900M with this skill. These were not naive investors either, but shrewd businesspeople.

    If you look at the Yahoo story, you are only seeing what Shapiro *wants* you to see. If you look at the NCAA decisions through the prism of Shapiro’s story, then you’re going to be upset and *sure* the NCAA is fixed. The NCAA has access to all the evidence Yahoo had access to and more. The NCAA also has several investigators combing through evidence to determine what is pertinent and legitimate, what corroborates Shapiro’s story, and what contradicts his story — what corroborates and contradicts players accounts as well.

    If you’ve bought into the Yahoo report and are disappointed by the NCAA response, I can’t say I blame you too much. You’ll have been swindled like many by Shapiro. At least in this case though, you’ll be able to direct the blame and anger at the NCAA. At least you’ll be spared the indignation of blaming the guy who swindled you, only to have him blame you for ‘forcing’ him to defraud you.

  6. bender4700 says: Aug 29, 2011 1:42 PM

    Pictures don’t lie, and a lot of the pictures back up everything Shapiro said.

    You can do everything in your power to try and explain it, but it will not just be explained away.

    Way too many accusations, way too many pictures, way too many people said “yes, he’s telling the truth”.

    Some time soon, Miami fan is going to have to stop with the “convicted felon” and “vendetta” part.

    1. the U let a convicted felon be a booster. A+ material.

    2. The pictures show a guy who wanted to be part of the program, so he bought his way in, thought they all loved him, then when they wouldn’t help him when he needed it, he decided to roll.

    3. WHY does he have the vendetta? He was apart of the program, so it wasn’t like they kept him out.

    Nice presentation, but your argument really doesn’t hold much water.

    The NCAA deserves blame, but not 100%, not even 50%.

  7. bender4700 says: Aug 29, 2011 1:47 PM

    If this convicted felon has a vendetta, what’s his anger? Why is he mad at the U?

    If that’s why we should not believe the magician/photoshop pro then why is he mad?

    He’s mad that the “family” cut him off when he hit trouble with the Feds.

    The Feds put the screws to him, told him he had to confess to EVERYTHING he’s done, and so, rather than facing tougher punishment from the Feds, he rolled on the family that suddenly didn’t want his money.

    Shalala took that check with a huge smile on her face.

    The proof is in the photos.

    Answer this: WHAT is he mad about? What he’s mad about has to explain why he’d photo shop and lie so much, oh and pay the people that confirmed his story, plus, he docotored all those hotel reciets, credit card statements, etc.

    If he’s so mad, he went through A LOT of trouble to stick it to the U.

  8. bender4700 says: Aug 29, 2011 1:50 PM

    http://news.yahoo.com/photos/y-sports-probe-miami-vices-1313562120-slideshow/;_ylt=AtuGplQfCwH1P6CcASDvlK07MuB_#

  9. hystoracle says: Aug 29, 2011 1:59 PM

    NCAA is a joke. If they want to retain any credibility there can be no pass here. Too much evidence to substantiate this story. NCAA doesn’t have to do much investigating most of the work has been done – at least enough to keep these guys off the field for most of the season.

    Miami is trying the Auburn Cam Newton tactic of suspending and having the NCAA “force” them to play them by reinstating the players. NCAA needs a completely independent wing that handles all investigations and doles out all punishments.

  10. tomosbornesretirementcostjoepaatitle says: Aug 29, 2011 2:09 PM

    A few points atxcane,

    1. The story is actually told my Robinson and Yahoo! Sports.

    2. They went in with the belief that everything said would be false. The documentation that Robinson dug through to print the story was immense.

    3. Find the article in the Miami Herald detailing the lengths Robinson went through to gather info for this story, you will find it is a lot deeper than a few yarns soon by a scumbag.

  11. atxcane says: Aug 29, 2011 2:11 PM

    Take the time to look at the pictures critically. You’re allowing yourself to be manipulated by Shapiro. Many of the pictures were taken *when the players were no longer enrolled at the university*, years after they’d gone to the NFL. Additionally, I can show you several pictures of myself and players at bars, clubs, etc. None of these would serve as evidence that I bought them anything.

    There are nuggets of truth peppered in. The pictures with McGahee and the suit for example. A con artist does that — they pepper in bits of truth, construct a grandiose lie, but point to the bits of truth when saying the story is infallible.

    Shapiro has himself said, “I want to destroy the University of Miami football, I hope they get the death penalty”. He has a lot of anger directed at many former players. I can see why: they wouldn’t invest in his Ponzi scheme. When he couldn’t attract new investors (NFL players for example), his empire fell apart. He blames them for his downfall. He blames EVERYONE for his downfall. We’re only exposed to the university/player aspect of things, but you’d be surprised to learn he *actually* claims his investors are responsible for the fraud, since they expected him to pay out what he promised them! There is a great article recently on what a slimeball the guy is (http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/27/2377400/slick-talker-played-the-victim.html).

    Additionally, the University of Miami never let a convicted felon be a booster. Many people were swindled by this guy, the University included. Many people investigated this guy, but all were able to come up with nothing.

    Be critical when reading this story, and you’ll find there is a lot more hype and conjecture than actual evidence. Many times, the ‘evidence’ contradicts his claims. It is NOT a case where you can rely on the goodwill of the accuser. You have to be VERY vigilant when reading his claims (as the NCAA is apparently doing), and sort what is infallible fact, and what is a carefully constructed tale.

  12. bonerchamp says: Aug 29, 2011 2:14 PM

    Stop reading ESPN and read the story. The current team has been accused of dinner (Shapiro was not sitting at dinner with them) , drinks (good luck proving that) and bowling/pool tournaments for cash (good luck proving that again.)

    However, the Basketball coach (Haithe) and current player are the ones who recieved cash recently.

    The suspensions will be light because the accusation are light. But so many of you haven’t put down the pitchforks and actually read the story.

    Lotta Fox news hillbillies on here!

  13. atxcane says: Aug 29, 2011 2:17 PM

    TomOsborne,

    Others have gone through and pointed out the inconsistencies and inaccuracies in Robinson’s story, I’m not here to do that.

    I’m not even here to defend the University.

    My message is simple: buy into the Yahoo hype without critically examining the story, or realizing that it is a one-sided story, and you will be sorely disappointed in the NCAA course of action.

    For example: Shapiro says he took coaches out to dinners, has a charge on his CC from a restaurant for it. His side of the story is that he took them out and bought them dinner. You ask the coaches what happened, they say they went out to dinner by themselves (having nothing to do with Shapiro), while waiting for the check they were told someone else picked up the tab for them. The evidence is the same, but the story is quite different.

  14. bender4700 says: Aug 29, 2011 2:27 PM

    “Additionally, the University of Miami never let a convicted felon be a booster. Many people were swindled by this guy, the University included. Many people investigated this guy, but all were able to come up with nothing. ”

    Shapiro is a convicted felon, was while a booster.

    Your whole argument is based on Shapiro being smart enough to fool everyone. He’s not.

    Did you read the story? I don’t think so. It doesn’t sound like it.

    Shapiro has photos of him with players at the strip club that he said he took them too.

    2nd, ANSWER this question: WHAT’S HIS MOTIVATION? WHY is he so mad?!

    You can’t say “he wants to destroy the U” without a reason WHY! You can’t refute the story without offering something more than a half answer and speculation.

    IF YOU READ THE STORY UNBIASED, you realize the U is screwed, and they did it to themselves. Imagine that, a felon being a booster was a bad idea.

  15. bender4700 says: Aug 29, 2011 2:29 PM

    Tom said it 100% right.

    Also:
    You keep attacking Shapiro. What about the witnesses who said, yes, this happened.

    What about those photos you are now claiming happened AFTER they graduated. Proof?

  16. bender4700 says: Aug 29, 2011 2:32 PM

    @atxcane

    Nothing, NOTHING, you have said is anything more than pure fan spaculation and claims when you have no proof or anything that negates what has been presented.

    Yahoo! Sports spent 11 months on a story they thought would turn out to be a waste. I don’t think Charles Robinson risks his career if anything you are just throwing out there were true.

    Face it, people who have a lot more knowledge and evidence than you care to acknowledge reported things about the U, and now, the U is in trouble.

    Nothing you have said, presented, or speculated on negates what is known and proven.

    You are not insulting or being offensive, but you are being completely naive. You want us to take what you say as fact, despite the mountains of evidence to the contrary.

  17. atxcane says: Aug 29, 2011 2:32 PM

    Bender, you keep saying the university let a convicted felon be a booster. This is patently false. Until you can get beyond this, I don’t know what hope there is for you being able to critically approach this case.

  18. atxcane says: Aug 29, 2011 2:34 PM

    Bender, you’re hell bent on convincing yourself everything Shapiro alleges is true. I’m not going to try and argue with you on that. It’s hopeless, I’m just hoping that others can see the entire case, and perhaps not be disappointed in the NCAA.

  19. bender4700 says: Aug 29, 2011 2:35 PM

    @bonerchamp (love the name)

    I did read the story. Front to back. You are being excessively optimistic. Way beyond normal reasoning.

    No pitch forks, I really wish it all wasn’t true.

    But for crying out loud people, there’s moutains of evidence that puts the U squarely in the crosshairs of the NCAA who’s desperately trying to hold on to their empire. Just like Shapiro was swinging as it sank, the NCAA is going to fire as many shots as possible, except their shots prevent The U from playing football for a couple years.

  20. bender4700 says: Aug 29, 2011 2:44 PM

    “Hornerkamp hired a private detective who tracked Shapiro to northern Florida where he was arrested. Shapiro initially claimed he threw the punch in self-defense, but ultimately entered a guilty plea before trial and received 18 months of probation.”

    Shapiro plead guilty to assualting Hornerkamp in 1995.

  21. bender4700 says: Aug 29, 2011 2:45 PM

    A fast talker, Shapiro also had a quick temper. In his mid-20s, he slugged the owner of Stephen Talkhouse, a club on Washington Avenue, after the owner caught him and some friends sneaking into the music venue. Shapiro eventually pleaded guilty to felony assault, received a probationary sentence and attended anger counseling courses.

    Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/21/2368310_p2/the-rise-fall-and-revenge-of-miami.html#ixzz1WReeFz6a

  22. bender4700 says: Aug 29, 2011 2:46 PM

    @atxcane

    So he pleads guilty to FELONY ASSAULT and I’m wrong?

    You lost ALL credibility by denying what is known to everyone who isn’t closing their eyes.

    I’m not out to prove anything, it’s already proven.

  23. atxcane says: Aug 29, 2011 2:48 PM

    Bender, my apologies on the felon comment. I thought that was plead down to a misdemeanor.

  24. bender4700 says: Aug 29, 2011 2:48 PM

    atxcane says:
    Aug 29, 2011 2:32 PM
    Bender, you keep saying the university let a convicted felon be a booster. This is patently false. Until you can get beyond this, I don’t know what hope there is for you being able to critically approach this case.

    bender4700 says:
    Aug 29, 2011 2:45 PM
    A fast talker, Shapiro also had a quick temper. In his mid-20s, he slugged the owner of Stephen Talkhouse, a club on Washington Avenue, after the owner caught him and some friends sneaking into the music venue. Shapiro eventually pleaded guilty to felony assault, received a probationary sentence and attended anger counseling courses.

    Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/21/2368310_p2/the-rise-fall-and-revenge-of-miami.html#ixzz1WReeFz6a

    Me: Shapiro was a convicted felon while a booster for The U
    You: no he wasn’t
    Me: Here’s proof.
    You: ?????????

  25. atxcane says: Aug 29, 2011 2:50 PM

    If I have lost credibility with you bender, I’m honestly not worried. You are willing to take a convicted felon at his word, waving “mountains of evidence” when you haven’t even approached looking at the evidence critically.

    My beef isn’t with you, I realize I can’t make EVERYONE open their eyes. I just hope this helps *some* people appreciate the WHOLE story, and not just what Shapiro presents.

  26. bender4700 says: Aug 29, 2011 2:50 PM

    atxcane says:
    Aug 29, 2011 2:48 PM
    Bender, my apologies on the felon comment. I thought that was plead down to a misdemeanor.

    Apology accepted.

    That’s my point dude.

    You are not arguing with all the facts.

    You want to explain away what happened, and tell people to be more critical. Yet you yourself didn’t even know that Shapiro was a convicted felon. I did, because I read the Yahoo! report very very carefully.

    You are trying to disprove A LOT without ANY facts to back your claim, and you make inaccurate claims. Yet want us to listen to you?

    Come on bro. You are a sad Miami fan, I’m sad too, but I’m not about to just pretend that Shapiro fooled everyone including Yahoo! for 11 months.

  27. bender4700 says: Aug 29, 2011 2:52 PM

    atxcane says:
    Aug 29, 2011 2:50 PM
    If I have lost credibility with you bender, I’m honestly not worried. You are willing to take a convicted felon at his word, waving “mountains of evidence” when you haven’t even approached looking at the evidence critically.

    My beef isn’t with you, I realize I can’t make EVERYONE open their eyes. I just hope this helps *some* people appreciate the WHOLE story, and not just what Shapiro presents.

    I am NOT taking Shapiro at his word!

    I took Yahoo!, and the pictures as proof.

    Ibelieve Yahoo

  28. bender4700 says: Aug 29, 2011 2:55 PM

    tomosbornesretirementcostjoepaatitle says:
    Aug 29, 2011 2:09 PM
    A few points atxcane,

    1. The story is actually told my Robinson and Yahoo! Sports.

    2. They went in with the belief that everything said would be false. The documentation that Robinson dug through to print the story was immense.

    3. Find the article in the Miami Herald detailing the lengths Robinson went through to gather info for this story, you will find it is a lot deeper than a few yarns soon by a scumbag.

    Discredit Yahoo!, and I’ll give you props. Until you can disprove one of the most respected sports journalists groups for their recent work, I’ll take what you say seriously.

    You’re argument is we shouldn’t just listen to Shapiro. I agree. But you stop there, and don’t acknowledge the 11 month investigation of Yahoo! Sports.

  29. bender4700 says: Aug 29, 2011 3:13 PM

    Look atxcane, I hear ya man. Convicted Felon doesn’t scream credibility, but Yahoo! has it.

    They spent 11 months investigating, they have pictures, they have a money trail, they have confirmation from participants.

    What else do you need?

    I agree WHOLE heartedly with be critical, but while reading the report, it became clear, there was very little ways to explain away how deep it went.

    You’ve been a good dude throughout this debate, not resulting to anger or insults, but there’s just no way you can deny Yahoo! Sports is someone who is not worth our trust. Yahoo doesn’t need this report to keep doing well. They’ve already established themselves as a trusted web site, and as a solid sports journalist source.

    Answer this, ignore everything else said, just answer these questions:

    1. Is Yahoo! Sports a credible news source?
    2. Would Yahoo! Sports spend 11 months on something any normal person could see is not credible?
    3. If you said yes to 1, would a credible news source spend 11 months on this article knowing that it is based on a convicted felon’s word, if they didn’t find other people and evidence that supports what he said?

    If you say yes to these questions, you have to stop saying Shapiro is a scumbag so nothing can be believed.

    Shapiro is a scumbag, however, his claims lead to an investigation that revealed, he infact, was telling the truth on most, if not all his claims.

  30. lakesidegator says: Aug 29, 2011 3:46 PM

    Excuse me. The jury has a verdict. Everybody back into the courtroom, please.
    Judge: “Have you reached a verdict?”
    Fore(skin)person: “Yes, Your Honor, we have.”
    Judge: “Hand your verdict form to the Clerk, please.”
    “Read the verdict. madam Clerk.”
    Clerk: “We. the Jury, find the defendant, University of Miami Hurricanes, as follows:
    [static], [inaudible], [etc.] of the NCAA’s allegations.
    Judge: “So, in light of the Jury’s verdict, the defendant is hereby….[inaudible], [static], [etc.] on the charges.

    NOW, how much more do we know? G’day.

  31. profantasyplayer says: Aug 29, 2011 5:07 PM

    Ive been watching this story closely and have read through many documents (not all, quite impossible really) including financial statements and they are shady at best. His financials are completely skewed and highly inaccurate. While some of his allegations are true it will be extremely hard tying the evidence to specific players. The little that can be tied to players and coaches (football) that are currently playing will lead to sanctions but definitely nowhere near the death penalty. I think that’s what atxcane is referring to. A Ponzi schemer will never have accurate financial records. There is no way everything he is alleging (while maybe true) can be proven unless people confess, highly unlikely.

    The punishment handed down from the NCAA will be nowhere near the “Death Penalty”.

  32. bender4700 says: Aug 29, 2011 5:45 PM

    But people did confess….

    It’s more likely most of his alligations are true if a few confessed than he’s only guilty of a little.

    One thing Miami fan has, optimism. Can’t fault that.

  33. ihateannouncers says: Aug 30, 2011 2:21 AM

    Bender and atxcane….

    That was one of the better debates I have seen on any of these FT sites. Neither of you resorted to name calling or immature garbage spewing that these type of debates usually turn into.

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