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Beebe reportedly calls meeting without UT, OU?

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We open up the first Saturday of college football with this Earth-shattering news:

The Big 12 is on the fritz. Like, in a major way.

Yesterday, Oklahoma’s president, David Boren, revealed that the school has received interest from multiple conferences about possible membership and that the Sooners were essentially considering all options when it came to their athletic future.

Similarly, Missouri coach Gary Pinkel hinted Friday that the source of the Big 12’s current instability lies somewhere between, but definitely involving, the cities of Austin and Irving, Texas.

Not exactly votes of confidence.

As we’ve stated before, the Big 12 can still survive so long as Texas and Oklahoma are happy; the strength of the conference would be another story.

But commissioner Dan Beebe may have turned his back on the two programs who could keep him employed.

Chip Brown of reports that Beebe called “a conference call late Friday afternoon with a handful of his conference’s presidents to discuss the increasing possibility that Oklahoma wants to bolt the Big 12 for the Pac-12”, according to a source.

Boren, Texas president Bill Powers, Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin were reportedly not on the call — the point of which, according to Brown’s sources, was to “work on Texas” to keep the Longhorns put.

From OB:

“Sources said the Longhorns have been actively working to hold the Big 12 together*. Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds and OU athletic director Joe Castiglione are on the five-member Big 12 expansion committee charged with looking for new members to join the Big 12. But if Oklahoma bolts, Texas would consider the Big 12 dead and probably follow the Sooners to the Pac-12.

(*note: of course they are; they’re getting two revenue streams from Big 12 membership and carry a ton of power)

If Texas does leave the Big 12 for dead, the Longhorn Network would likely turn into a “Pac-12 Networks — Texas” type of deal, but there obviously are significant legal details associated with that adjustment.

The rest of the Big 12 should be concerned about the feelings of Texas and Oklahoma, but it’s becoming evident that the two power members should be equally concerned about each other.

A feeling of discontent by one or both of them would more than certainly result in the Big 12’s demise.

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16 Responses to “Beebe reportedly calls meeting without UT, OU?”
  1. bodarville says: Sep 3, 2011 7:41 AM

    If Oklahoma and Texas leave, then the remaining members have enough teams to keep a conference going and it’d still be better than the Big East. They could add SMU, Memphis, whatever and get even better than the Big East.

  2. gorilladunk says: Sep 3, 2011 8:56 AM

    At this point, the only thing Dan Beebe could do that would be of benefit to the Big 12 is to offer his resignation. He is more culpable than anyone or any institution in the mess this has become.

  3. boomerdt says: Sep 3, 2011 9:13 AM

    For those who don’t know how OU handles their business…. OU never speaks publicly until they know what they are doing. We don’t add drama (normally) and we tend to make wise decisions when it comes to the university as a whole.

    Based on Boren’s comments yesterday…. I’d consider OU gone (thus why they weren’t on the conference call). If there is truth to Boren’s comments that “multiple conferences” are expressing interest….. then right now OU is deciding which one offers the most to OU and that will take some time (like between 3 days and 3 weeks).

    If the Big10 opens membership to OU…. don’t be surprised if they go there (note: they must accept OSU too). Otherwise it’s going to be the PAC-12.

    The only question is what other schools would the Pac-12 want (or the Big10)…. If OU/ut head west…. I bet Baylor goes with them before Texas Tech….. Baylor offers more as a University. I expect Oklahoma State to be the 4th school.

    Big 10: Mizzou is an auto pick. Iowa St makes sense, Kansas is a maybe, but I think it would all depend on Norte Dame. If super conferences form ND will probably join a conference…. geography says join the Big 10 (although the ND alumns I know don’t favor one conference over another). If they do…. it leaves 1 less spot for former Big12 members. I if the prior mentioned schools go to the Pac12 I could see Mizzou, Kansas, Iowa St, and ND joining the Big10.

    Big 12 is dead. I can’t believe all this craziness started… but here we are. I hope the other big12 schools make a soft landing somewhere.

  4. alligatorsnapper says: Sep 3, 2011 9:27 AM

    boomerrdt: Thank you for the heartfelt and informative posting. Since OK is being courted by more than one conference, do you think they would choose the SEC, which spoke with them last year and apparently may be making overtures presently?

  5. centexhorn says: Sep 3, 2011 9:33 AM

    boomerdt, no way does Baylor get a spot in the Pac-16 over Texas Tech. Tech has had more success and is farther west.

    All things considered, Mizzou, Kansas, Iowa St, and ND to the Big 10 and Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas and Texas Tech to the Pac-12 is a good outcome. The only two parties left out would be Baylor and Kansas State. Two strong basketball programs and pretty decent football programs. They would find a soft landing in the Mountain West, thus bolstering that league some.

    It’s also possible K-State would join the Big East. And it may make more sense to Baylor to go to Conference-USA instead, where they’d play a lot of in-state rivals. Then again, basketball is big in Waco, so they might see the MWC as more desirable for that reason. I have no doubt they’d take them.

  6. 78lion says: Sep 3, 2011 9:38 AM

    Boomerrdt, I don’t doubt that OU is being courted by both the PAC 12 and SEC. I doubt they are being courted by the B1G. There has been much gnashing over the inclusion of the first non AAU member with Nebraska (B1G member knew Nebraska was losing their AAU status). I expect OU to the PAC 12 and that providing air cover for UT to join them.

    B1G isn’t going to take the scraps left over. Missouri might not be a bad fit from an athletic and tv market sense but doesn’t fit otherwise – Iowa State, no chance, they are destined for the MAC.

  7. wordonthequad says: Sep 3, 2011 10:12 AM

    @wordonthequad: stop spamming this site with your links. Thanks in advance.

  8. thefiesty1 says: Sep 3, 2011 10:14 AM

    The end is near. Thanks, DeLOSS!

  9. bender4700 says: Sep 3, 2011 12:00 PM

    as much as I love this story, Chip Brown has been consistently wrong for awhile.

    Months ago he said that Texas A&M is ABSOLUTELY not leaving the Big XII.

    He then later predicted that A&M would announce their exit on a certain day, they made the announcement the next day.

    I have a hard time listening to Chip Brown and not thinking “hey, another story he’s going to be wrong about”.

  10. bender4700 says: Sep 3, 2011 12:27 PM


    You’re high if you think the Big Ten was really worried about the AAU situation with Nebraska. UNL is a very prestigious university, not being in the AAU has more to do with the type of work being done there over anything else.

    Plus, you’re REALLY high if you think the Big Ten is worried about anything but TV money and market.

    It’s ALL about the money. Don’t kid yourself. Education is great, but that’s not what the athletic conferences are worried about. That’s the President’s and Chancelor’s job.

  11. soonerfan88 says: Sep 3, 2011 1:03 PM

    It’s time for OU to step away from Texas. It’s time to step up the competition. The Big 12 South was the power… and any of these Teams will find success wherever they end up.
    OU needs Texas ties however… to continue it’s ability to get top players from the state.
    I’ll also state that blaming the Aggies for all of this is short sighted. It’s clear that Texas caused all of this. The Longhorn Network is a flop… You won’t even be able to see the Texas Rice Game because of it.
    DeLoss Dodds is tickling Dan Bebee prostate as always to get what he wants.

  12. redcougar3 says: Sep 3, 2011 1:07 PM

    Pac-12 makes the most sense….OU/OSU/TT, and UT would make a good power base for the PAC East…..OU or UT would merely have to beat their fellow ex-Big 12 members a few Pac West teams to guarantee them a NC Game……or go to the SEC and go through a Gauntlet of LSU/AUBURN, BAMA etc……

  13. ukeone says: Sep 3, 2011 1:17 PM

    “…There has been much gnashing over the inclusion of the first non AAU member with Nebraska (B1G member knew Nebraska was losing their AAU status)…”
    In regard to the AAU status of Nebraska: it is something that will likely be resolved in the coming years ahead. Nebraska belonged to the AAU for over a century (since 1910) and lost it recently due to the fact that its chief $$$ research is conducted at the University of Nebraska Medical Center, which is located in ‘Omaha NE’ (& not solely on the college campus in ‘Lincoln NE’). Due to this separation, the AAU decided that ‘all research must reside on a college’s main campus’ in order to be considered in its criteria for AAU membership. Otherwise, much of the rest of Nebraska’s research is tied-up in ‘agriculture’ (in Lincoln), which the AAU does not consider in its overall research criteria. Once it is established that the research portion of the medical center would be transfered to Lincoln, or new, relative research opportunities can be established in Lincoln, then their membership status could well be reinstated. Getting the grant $$$ is no problem.

    Also, please consider the fact that B1G has been courting Notre Dame for many years now, which is also ‘not’ an AAU member. Why? It’s because of Notre Dame’s $$$ marketability and national label. Schools like Notre Dame & yes, ‘Oklahoma’ with its national label (like Nebraska) can find good homes in the B1G, where they could prosper & have room to grow even bigger & better than before…& with the current academic support system that exists in the B1G between member schools (especially in its sharing of facilities & faculty members), it’s no doubt that all its newest members will have no problem eventually getting into (or back into) the AAU as the B1G expects.

    Also, if Oklahoma State has to be part of the mix in getting Oklahoma, then so be it…as they too are a ‘class institution’ and could very well be ‘welcomed’ if invited. I also disagree with previous comments made about Missouri, as they could be a profitable consideration for the B1G, which would generously add another very important market share to the conference. Iowa State is in the AAU & it makes geographical sense, but it does not have the same marketability than (let’s say) Iowa has, so it is not necessarily a ‘great’ fit for B1G; however, that would be up to B1G to decide (especially if it wants to win ALL (or most) of Iowa’s TV market). Kansas & Kansas State would be the likely ones up in the air because B1g would rather go with Pittsburgh (to win all of Pennsylvania along w/Penn St.). and maybe Rutgers and/or Syracuse to get a WIN and/or share of New York.

    And finally, I don’t see Texas going to the PAC 12 (especially w/it’s LHN, however ‘under-developed’ it is currently). Unless TU is willing to relinquish its hold on LHN & submit to “equal sharing” of all available revenue with its fellow members, its possibilty of going west is ‘null at best.’ Besides, the PAC 12 will not tolerate TU’s meddling tactics (as it did with the old SWC & currently in the BIG ‘whatever the # is now’).
    The longhorns are a best fit for total indendence, especially since they are in ‘their own world’ anyway, and no one else seems to be able to fit-in with their mentality.

    Therefore, it is inevitable. Let us all give a heartfelt ‘thanks’ to Texas & bid a fond farewell by singing harmoniously in one, big, unanimous chorus: R.I.P. BIG 12, 11 10, 9, 8, 7, 6……..’ZERO!’

  14. boomerdt says: Sep 3, 2011 1:56 PM

    alligatorsnapper: Personally I’d LOVE OU in the SEC. If they do it – it will go against everything the University has been saying publicly for the last year…. Here’s to hoping something changes, but I see almost no chance of OU going to the SEC. (see articles over the past month in the OU sports section).

    centexhorn: Only reason I think Baylor over TT is a simple business practice: Based on current conditions… which one is better situated to succeed in the future? Baylor is great at basketball, baseball, track, and OK at football. The school is private and academically very good. TT football future is an unknown, basketball is on the decline and I’m unaware of anything else TT is good at. University wise… Baylor wins in my eyes.

    78lion: I have to agree with the other posts here. The academic standing is important… but at the same time what conference would turn down named institutions? If OU/ut stay together and the big10 comes calling… I can see them going there first. As an added bonus… if the Big10 comes calling….. OU gets a traditional match up back with Nebraska. The PAC-12 doesn’t add any traditions OU once had (plus I’d rather play on the east coast than the west when it comes to watching sports).

  15. squackduckhawk says: Sep 3, 2011 3:26 PM

    I think Tech gets in the Pac over Baylor. Athough it is not as hardcore religious as ND or BYU, it is still a religious school.

  16. blackshirtz says: Sep 7, 2011 12:27 PM

    Dan Bebe is corrupt! It couldn’t happen to a shittier conference commish!

    LOL. good for you A&M! POOF Blow up the Little 12

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