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Iowa State, Baylor reportedly offer themselves to Big East

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Good thing there aren’t any college football games being played today because the whole college football world seems to be more entrapped in conference realignment.

Which, as unbelievable as it may sound, has now been focused squarely on the ACC and Big East, of all places.

Late last night and into this morning, rumors began circulating that Syracuse and Pittsburgh have been partaking in informal discussions with the ACC, with the latest speculation being that both institutions have reached out to the ACC to apply for conference membership.

A loss of both those schools would absolutely be a huge blow to the Big East, which, as I’d like to remind you again, has spent the past year trying to figure out how to make 1-AA Villanova a 10th member of the league.

But, is the Big East still salvageable even without Syracuse and Pitt? Word on the ESPN street — and it should be noted that is is far from confirmed — is that Iowa State and Baylor have reached out to the Big East if the Big 12 falls apart. Baylor has previously expressed confidence that if the Big 12 were to dissolve, that an invite from the Big East would follow.

Missouri, Kansas State, Kansas and Iowa State were reportedly in talks with the Big East last summer when the first conference realignment apocalypse-that-wasn’t fell through. The popular speculation this time around has been that the Big East would form some sort of, um, “superconference” with the remaining members of the Big 12 — were it to fall apart.

Still, when the Big East weighs its options, losing Pitt and Syracuse is far more damaging that gaining Baylor and Iowa State. If nothing else, and if the rumors of Pitt and Syracuse come to fruition, it shows the former two have no confidence whatsoever in the future and stability of the Big East.

The fact that a Big East official told us the conference was “caught off guard” earlier this morning says it all.

So does this. And this.

In a whirlwind of speculation, one thing is for certain: every institution is marketing themselves to the best of their ability, even if their own conference isn’t reciprocating.

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31 Responses to “Iowa State, Baylor reportedly offer themselves to Big East”
  1. southernpatriots says: Sep 17, 2011 12:04 PM

    God bless the Big East if they take Baylor after the fiasco that Baylor has put A & M through, but good riddance. Baylor will take and take and take from the Big East and be a drain on them as they were the Big 12.

    Conference realignment may technically be separated from the drive toward superconferences but it is in essence part of the same change. Superconferences are coming, in order to get them realignments are necessary. We will have to get a playcard to identify the new conference members eventually.

    The great American poet and songwriter, Bob Dylan was right…”the times they are achangin!”

  2. georgeanderson2 says: Sep 17, 2011 12:18 PM

    Now all these superconferences need to do is realize they don’t need the NCAA and its corrupt governing body. Hopefully they can create a new governing body with updated rules to go along with the changes in todays society.
    What I heard last night about the NCAA taking away scholarships from Boise for kids wanting to come to school early to take classes and start practicing with their team ,so they slept on upperclassmens couches and floors, and for this Boise is going to lose scholarships, that is just not right. Penalized for starting their education early.

  3. highoctane1 says: Sep 17, 2011 12:40 PM

    Pitt and WVU have been adamant for at least the past year that they wanted the Big East to be proactive instead of reactive in all of this. The fact that Pitt and Cuse are reaching out to the ACC, and WVU to the SEC, evidences that they have no confidence in the Big East commissioner. I don’t think that Pitt wants to leave the Big East, but they probably feel like they have to.

  4. freidasboss says: Sep 17, 2011 12:41 PM

    I hope TCU doesn’t get screwed again.
    Maybe they should come into SEC with A&M..

    Opinions please

  5. highoctane1 says: Sep 17, 2011 12:43 PM

    georgeanderson2 says:
    Sep 17, 2011 12:18 PM
    Now all these superconferences need to do is realize they don’t need the NCAA and its corrupt governing body. Hopefully they can create a new governing body with updated rules to go along with the changes in todays society.

    _________________

    The NCAA is inept, but it isn’t from corrupt. The schools and the boosters are corrupt. The rules need to be updated, but the inmates will always run the asylum in college football.

  6. gorilladunk says: Sep 17, 2011 12:54 PM

    @georgeanderson….I’ve long felt that the real fallout from the “super conference” alignment is that they’ll tell the NCAA to go to hell and they will run themselves as an organization (as far as football is concerned). the NCAA is an archaic, outdated organization that runs a pretty nice basketball tournament but is lost when it comes to the cash cow that is major college football. Can you imagine what Saturday’s would be like if OU and Georgia had not sued all those years ago to gain control of their own product? We’d see ONE game every Saturday afternoon.
    By the way, how much will OU, Texas and A&M sue Baylor and Iowa St. for in damages if they leave the Big 12? LOL!!

  7. isucyfanatic says: Sep 17, 2011 1:31 PM

    Well the Big East should take Iowa State and the Baylor , also Mizzo, Kansas and KS. It would put the Big East in a strong postition.
    Also, as seen last night, even when ISU doesnt play up to there abilities , they still beat one of the better football teams in the current Big East, so you can not say they do not belong .

  8. bdulaney105 says: Sep 17, 2011 1:39 PM

    Can someone intelligently tell me what Iowa St & Baylor have to offer the Big East? (besides a heartbeat)

    I’d rather roll the dice and take a chance on UCF or East Carolina. Either of those schools could turn into a contender. We know what you’ll get with ISU & Baylor…. national irrelevance.

  9. isucyfanatic says: Sep 17, 2011 1:46 PM

    You show your ignorance with that comment

    Big East Sucks in Football and most other ncaa sports at the moment. it’s only good at basketball . All other sports ‘WELL NOT SO GOOD.” there is more then basketball out there.

  10. wakkoxc says: Sep 17, 2011 1:46 PM

    The people calling the shots in the ‘corrupt’ NCAA are the university presidents of the teams forming these superconferences. Nothing is going to change.

  11. bdulaney105 says: Sep 17, 2011 2:00 PM

    @isucyfanatic

    I asked what your beloved school has to offer the conference, not just in football. So I will ask you the question directly. What can ISU bring to the Big East. Sell me. Because right now, with my “East Coast Bias” in Washington DC, I can’t come up with anything besides wrestling.

  12. cpick5 says: Sep 17, 2011 2:42 PM

    @bdulaney105

    Take a look at these standings. It should answer your question. Only 2 teams in the Big East had a better ranking than Baylor in 2011. I have a pretty good feeling this year we will be in the top 25 with the way our football, mens and womens basketball teams look.

    http://thedirectorscup.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/10.11finalconfstandings.pdf

  13. thefiesty1 says: Sep 17, 2011 3:24 PM

    Baylor should join the Sun Belt Conference. Maybe they could compete there on a regular basis. Budgets, fan base, facilities are a better match, too.

  14. bdulaney105 says: Sep 17, 2011 3:40 PM

    @cpick5

    Baylor has as much to offer the Big East as TCU does…. oh wait, that’s not going to work.

    So what about ISU?

  15. phelbin says: Sep 17, 2011 3:41 PM

    @cpick5. That’s interesting stuff, I hadn’t heard of the director’s cup before. Interesting that the Pac10 was the strongest overall conference followed closely by the SEC.

  16. phelbin says: Sep 17, 2011 3:42 PM

    **I meant to say followed by the ACC.

  17. cpick5 says: Sep 17, 2011 5:09 PM

    Well, selfishly, my interest lies with Baylor. I can’t say too much for Iowa State. I will say that Baylor is third, behind UT and A&M, in number of conference championships since the Big 12 was formed.

  18. quizguy66 says: Sep 17, 2011 5:37 PM

    It’ll be interesting to see how this impacts the non-football Big East schools. I think there’s no small chance that they are going to breakout after this – Syracuse and Pitt have been staples of the league (Syracuse a founding member in ’79 and Pitt joining in ’82). Let’s take a look at how a non-football Big East looks (actually it looks a lot weaker than I first thought):

    Georgetown
    Villanova
    St John’s
    Marquette
    Seton Hall
    Providence
    DePaul
    (and possibly Notre Dame if they stay independent)

    Perhaps they look to the A-10 or other mid-major conferences and break away. This would be a double screw to the football end of the conference.

    It’s interesting to think how this may shake, you might have a conference of the damned with an alignment something like this:

    Conference of the Damned
    Rutgers
    Missouri
    Kansas
    Kansas State
    TCU
    South Florida
    UConn
    Cincinnati
    Bayor
    Iowa State
    Louisville

    I’m thinking that WVU will likely go elsewhere.

    -QG

  19. quizguy66 says: Sep 17, 2011 5:52 PM

    Oops, sorry I meant Baylor. Can’t spell Baylor without the “L”

    -QG

  20. thegonz13 says: Sep 17, 2011 7:19 PM

    OK, so let me get this straight… Baylor threatens to sue A&M for bolting to the SEC ans they’re the first in line to pimp themselves to the Big East.

    What is it they say about rats and a sinking ship? Thanks for the lesson in ethics, boys!

  21. southernpatriots says: Sep 17, 2011 7:29 PM

    thegonz12:

    That was funny (and clean!)–GREAT POSTING!

    Thank y0u!

  22. isucyfanatic says: Sep 17, 2011 8:02 PM

    What can ISU offer? Well lets start

    Football
    Basketball ( upstart program , just recruited top NY hight school player actually 2 players)
    Track ( Men , Woman Top 25 program in nation)
    Wrestling Top in nation
    soccer men , woman top in nation
    and other sports

    ISU is a AAU school not all big east schools are.

  23. frustratedcollegefan says: Sep 17, 2011 8:58 PM

    It seems to me that most the people posting who are big east fans don’t see very far outside of their conference. The big east would be crazy not to take Baylor and ISU. I’ll be clear up front- I am an ISU fan and I am embarrassed to see that ISU is trying to go to the big east. While the big east is a good bball conference (going to be significantly worse once the acc takes pitt and syracuse), lets not forget that the big12 isn’t exactly a weak bball conference, ISU and Baylor will be in the top of the big east in bball now that pitt and syracuse are gone. As for football, they will both own the big east year in and year out. If they are accepted to the big east (assuming the big 12 is done, sigh…) I have to agree with an above post in that I can only hope that KU, KSU and Mizzou follow suit and apply to the big east- that would make it one of the top bball conferences in the country and lend a some badly needed help to fball. WVU will likely leave after syracuse and pitt, leaving the big east as one of the worst fball conferences in the country, if not the worst. Adding the B12 teams who will be left without a home can only help the big east in that sense. If all the teams head to the big east; which likely won’t happen (except baylor and ISU), then I don’t see this move as the end of the world for ISU, but definitely a down grade from the big 12. I know people in the big east may not notice but ISU has been making huge strides to become a legit team in the b12, something that takes years to do, which is what is the most dissapointing thing about the possibilty of this move- a school heading in the right direction is going to be set back 10 years because of the greedy ignorance of a few b12 teams (thanks texas). As someone who is obviously not happy to hear about this possibility, all I can hope for if it happens is that ISU somehow continues to improve and this conference realignment crap comes back up in a few years and ISU will get back into a good all-sports conference (possibly b10…) Ideally, all the legal issues disaude the pac12 and the big12 pulls their heads out of their a**es and realize what a good thing they have if they kept the conference together. guess i’ll have to keep dreaming on that one. this move wouldn’t sound to bad if it didn’t come at the same time as the 2 best teams in the big east announcing they want out…

  24. thegonz13 says: Sep 17, 2011 9:55 PM

    @ frustratedcollegefan… With all due respect, I don’t think Iowa State and/or Baylor would necessarily rule the Big East. They would, however, do better in the standings by changing conferences and they sure as hell would be getting more exposure than they are right now.

    No, what irks me is that hypocrisy, thy name is Baylor. Remember all the fuss that university made when A&M decided to leave the Big 12 for the SEC? Well, those holier-than-thou hypocrits are doing the exact same thing. Baylor is like a rat on the Titanic. That institution of higher learning is barely more than a street walker, whoring itself to another conference.

    Thank you for the high-and-mighty posturing, Baylor, and thank you for blowing smoke up everyone’s derriere. But in terms of credibility, yours just went ou tthe window.

    BTW, best of luck to Iowa State in their future new conference!

  25. bdulaney105 says: Sep 17, 2011 10:03 PM

    @ISU fans, et al.

    I sincerely hope things work out for you, but be careful for what you wish for. Factor in increased travel expenses for all sports, restrictive budgets for state-funded institutions, decreased revenue in a weakened conference and it doesn’t bode well. It really doesn’t sound like a recipe for success.

    If I were an alum or admin from ISU, Baylor, or K-State, I would rally the troops and invite Louisville, Cincinatti, & Houston. Convince Kansas & Mizzou to stick around and create a “Great American” conference. Maybe Texas Tech would break free of Texas or Baylor and TCU could settle their differences and play nice. That gives you 10. Pick up a package deal of USF & UCF and you get inroads into the Florida recruiting.

    GA North- Iowa St, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas St, Cincinatti, & Louisville

    GA South- TTech, Baylor, TCU, Houston, USF & UCF

    Yes… lot of holes in this one, but you could argue it presents a stronger argument for an automatic BCS bid than the current Big East or Mountain West.

  26. frustratedcollegefan says: Sep 17, 2011 10:18 PM

    @thegonz13: You do make a good point about baylor and ISU doing better in the standings than they do in the big 12. I might just be holding on hope that ISU would actually continue to improve in the b12 and be consistantly competitive, hard to say if that would happen and unfortunately we will not get the chance to see.

    I’m not sure if I agree with everyone saying Baylor is hypocritical. I understand where people are coming from but Baylor was doing the right thing trying to keep the conference together. In the last week as it has become increasingly clear that OU, OSU, A&M and Texas will all likely be gone, they have to try to line up something. People have to keep in mind that Baylor or ISU have not applied to another confernce, both schools have only said- IF the b12 disolves, they would like to apply to the big east.

    The more I read about this, the more unfortunate it is that syracuse and pitt are leaving. I didn’t realize TCU is set to join next year- if all those teams plus ISU and Baylor were in the conference, it wouldn’t be half bad (for fball). I still think adding the reaming b12 teams would help, but it seems Mizzou will end up elsewhere. also, adding that many teams probably wouldn’t work for bball, a 20 team conference seems crowded. To bad the big east couldn’t get rid of some of the bball only schools, and add the 4 b12 schools- that would be a good conference for all sports. appartently history has no value in college athetice these days, the big east should cut out the waste (depaul, USF, Providence, Rutgers and Seton Hall), and add 4 b12 schools that are comparable to the rest of the big east in talent in both fball and bball.

    One other thing I don’t understand is why any school would offer themselves from a conference that is falling apart already to another that seems headed down the same path after today…

    question: does anyone know how much $$ a big east school pulls in on average for fball/year? I read they would be on par with the ACC if it wasn’t for a few schools (namely pitt), rejecting a tv offer a few years back. If the money is there, programs can grow, so hopefully the big east teams are bringing in a decent amount as ISU really jumped the gun on spending the money they were set to get with the new b12 tv deal.

    btw- i just saw my first article saying that the big east is also the best bet for KU (meaning KSU is likely to follow).

    If this all happens, I’m sure in time I will grow to like the big east, I just hate losing the rivalries already in place for so long.

  27. frustratedcollegefan says: Sep 17, 2011 10:21 PM

    @bdulaney105:

    I like your idea, and couldn’t agree more about the added expenses and lost revunue. Maybe the b12 comish should open his eyes and start thinking outside the box before it’s to late! sounds like a decent conference for fball and bball.

  28. jasonstackhouz says: Sep 18, 2011 1:16 AM

    Louisville
    Cinncinnati
    Missouri
    Kansas
    Kansas State
    TCU
    Boise State
    Iowa State
    Tulsa
    Oklahoma State
    Wyoming
    Colorado State

  29. artisan3m says: Sep 19, 2011 12:09 PM

    Baylor is desperate. She is doing what most parasites do ~ search for a host. Baylor football has survived off the blood of other Big-12 schools since the conference was formed and her record is abysmal as is game attendance. With the first loss, Baylor’s fan base is almost halved. She is doing very well in other sports, especially women’s basketball. But football is the money sport and Baylor is terrified that she may be left without a chair when the Big-12 music stops. I strongly believe that Art Briles has the football program on the way up. But the attraction in college football is a school’s reputation, not its potential future.

  30. tulsacyfan says: Sep 19, 2011 6:57 PM

    It is amazing how gleeful so many people are at Iowa State, KSU, Kansas and Baylor’s misfortune in all of this chaos. Bottom line is this – there are a whole lot of schools who are just darn lucky to already have conference affiliations in the “have” conferences at THIS POINT IN TIME i.e. – Indiana, Minnesota, Washington State, Oregon State, Mississipi State, Vanderbilt, etc. Were the shoe on the other foot, these schools would be in the exact same spot. All this is about is money – pure and simple, all the comments about football performance, academics, etc. are full of contradictions.

    For example, imagine OU’s situation if this whole scenario had taken place during the John Blake era – I highly doubt the Pac12 would be interested.

    Check out how many bowl appearances Indiana, Vanderbilt or Washington State have had in the past ten years vs. how many Iowa State has had and then tell me this is about football performance.

  31. alligatorsnapper says: Sep 19, 2011 7:53 PM

    While it may well be true that Vanderbilt has not made a bowl appearance in the past ten years or much longer, it does not matter to the SEC since Vanderbilt is one of the founding members of the SEC.

    Conference affiliation in the SEC has traditionally concerned more than football, though it is the cash cow that funds Title 10, Olympic sports and even subsidizes other parts of university life (roads, parking lots, outdoor tennis courts available to all students, swimming facilities, etc.)

    Some SEC schools have a profitable basketball program (e.g. Kentucky), baseball (e.g. LSU) and those big three programs or two of them are positive cash flows for some schools.

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