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Report: SEC rejects WVU application for membership

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With the sudden departures of Syracuse and Pittsburgh to the ACC, coupled with the possibility of a major shift in conference realignment, the Big East has now been placed on the verge of non-existence.

Although it’s likely the Big East would try and absorb any remaining members of the Big 12 — provided the conference dissolves — to keep itself afloat, that hasn’t stopped multiple members, including Rutgers, Connecticut and West Virginia, from seeing the writing on the wall and trying to get the hell outta Dodge.

Unfortunately for the latter school, their attempts seem to be failing.

Multiple Big East sources have told Brett McMurphy of CBSSports — the man on the forefront of Syracuse/Pitt shuffle — that WVU officials have said both the SEC and the ACC have rejected the school’s application for membership.

The rejection by the ACC is no surprise; the Mountaineers have been passed over three times for ACC membership. A source with knowledge of the situation has told CFT that “every person I’ve spoken with said the same thing: the ACC does not want WVU.”

Multiple reports have stated that at least 10 schools had applied for ACC membership — including, apparently, West Virginia.

It wasn’t any secret that WVU was hoping for an invite from the SEC. Appearing on MetroNews Talkline yesterday, former WVU president Dr. Gene Budig said there was “no reason to be nervous” about the school’s future in conference realignment.

A day later, you can bet the folks in Morgantown have a reason to be anxious. Despite a recent history of success in football and basketball, West Virginia, as a state, has no television market or recruiting grounds, and as an institution, is not a member of the Association of American Universities*.

(*note: some conferences like the Big Ten and ACC place more consideration on academic standards than others) 

This is not to say that WVU could not end up in the SEC down the road; it’ll depend on how large conferences go. Currently, the SEC doesn’t need to take another program just to have a body. West Virginia doesn’t exactly provide a ton of value for the reasons mentioned above — at least not in the current pool of available programs.

Regardless, it looks like West Virginia is going to have to wait the realignment drama out a little longer before they’ll know where they land.

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154 Responses to “Report: SEC rejects WVU application for membership”
  1. csuxrr says: Sep 20, 2011 1:02 PM

    Motivation for the LSU game.

  2. jaggedmark says: Sep 20, 2011 1:03 PM

    West Virginia, if you want to change conferences, apply to Conference USA or the Mountain West. No big time conference wants you, including the one you’re already in.

    Oh yeah, the MAC doesn’t want you either.

  3. drummerhoff says: Sep 20, 2011 1:04 PM

    The title of this article is disingenuous.

    There is a world of difference between ‘rejected’ and ‘hold on before the pending litigation makes us look like conference raiders.”

    Also,
    “West Virginia, as a state, has no television market or recruiting grounds, and as an institution, is not a member of the Association of American Universities*.”

    You can say the EXACT same thing for Nebraska.

  4. Ben Kercheval says: Sep 20, 2011 1:07 PM

    drummer,

    the title comes from McMurphy, not me.

  5. secdominance says: Sep 20, 2011 1:14 PM

    At the time Nebraska joined the Big Ten they were a member of the Association of American Universities. Plus Nebraska’s history is more celebrated than West Virginia

  6. thefiesty1 says: Sep 20, 2011 1:22 PM

    The SEC is waiting for the Big 12 to implode and get Missouri and then go after NY two between GTech, Clemson or Fla State.

    It’s too bad WVA has no market that would interest anyone.

  7. jaggedmark says: Sep 20, 2011 1:31 PM

    When we eventually get to college football playoffs between the conferences, won’t several schools regret they’re in conferences with several power house schools, thus the lesser schools will never make the playoffs?

    In other words, WVU could occasionally win the Big East and make the playoffs, but would never make the playoffs out of the SEC.

    Or is no one thinking that far ahead?

  8. pastabelly says: Sep 20, 2011 1:34 PM

    The ACC is not concerned about litigation from the Big East and it’s doubtful that WVU is “on hold” with the ACC. If the ACC were concerned, they never would have taken in Pittsburgh and Syracuse. The previous lawsuits agains the ACC and Boston College went nowhere a few years back. The conference can take in two more schools. If they can’t bring in Notre Dame or one of the other big schools, it will be UConn and Rutgers and not WVU. The SEC, obviously doesn’t want to dilute their pot of cash by giving more to WVU than the school will bring in. The ACC rejections probably has more to do with academics and the SEC rejection is about money (and tv markets).

  9. seanmmartin says: Sep 20, 2011 1:35 PM

    AAU and FBS Members

    ACC – Duke, GT, UMD, UNC, UVA
    Big East – Rutgers, WVU
    Big Ten – Every team except Nebraska
    Big XII – ISU, KU, MIZZOU, TAMU, UT
    CUSA – Rice, Tulane
    MAC – Buffalo
    Pac-12 – Cal, Colorado, Oregon, Stanford, UA, UCLA, USC, UW
    SEC – UF, Vandy

    It is surprising to me now that the Pac-12 accepted Utah, a school with no other good sports team, and one that lacks an AAU tag.

  10. Romulus says: Sep 20, 2011 1:57 PM

    for those people above, you are stupid. You have no idea where the university is located. It is in upstate West Virginia, it is on the border of Penn. it pulls the Pittsburgh and Washington D.C. markets. please stop acting like you know anything. Look for an undefeated season in the great mountain state.

  11. pdmjr says: Sep 20, 2011 2:00 PM

    They already have those markets w/o WVU

  12. teambringitstrong says: Sep 20, 2011 2:08 PM

    Romulus says: Sep 20, 2011 1:57 PM

    for those people above, you are stupid. You have no idea where the university is located. It is in upstate West Virginia, it is on the border of Penn. it pulls the Pittsburgh and Washington D.C. markets. please stop acting like you know anything. Look for an undefeated season in the great mountain state.
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    Yeah and Sacramento is located ‘close’ to the SF Bay Area. It like WVA is still a hick place. Get over yourself and realize that you don’t belong in a big time conference. There is a reason why RichRod turned down the ‘Bama job before he took the Michigan job. He knew he was overmatched in the SEC.

  13. pdmjr says: Sep 20, 2011 2:12 PM

    The AAU tag?? WTF cares about the AAU

  14. pdmjr says: Sep 20, 2011 2:15 PM

    WVU was never asked to join the SEC or ACC.

    You have to be asked to apply. Again dumbsheet info

  15. andymcdandy says: Sep 20, 2011 2:21 PM

    @seanmartin – WVU isn’t an AAU school.

  16. quizguy66 says: Sep 20, 2011 2:30 PM

    @seanmartin Utah makes sense for a couple of reasons –
    It brings in (an albeit) small market but one that spreads beyond the home state in that there are signifcant Mormon populations in the surrounding states.

    It does so without bringing in a religious institution – there are a number of schools in the PAC that do not want a religion-affiliated school added (for reasons I’m not clear on actually).

    Most importantly, though, it takes a great deal of Congressional heat off of the conference (at a time last year when it looked like it was rapidly moving to 16 even before adding Utah) given the influence that Senator Orrin Hatch has. That might be the biggest factor that got Utah into the Pac, actually.

    The couch-burning pic is classic, btw.

    -QG

  17. quizguy66 says: Sep 20, 2011 2:31 PM

    @pdmjr The B1G cares about the AAU and it’s also a positive in the view of the ACC. That’s who cares.

    -QG

  18. southernpatriots says: Sep 20, 2011 2:35 PM

    The SEC is treading carefully with some exposure yet remaining to law suits from Big 12 schools who have not waived their right to sue, including the dependent schools who will lose much in their take from the Big 12 when and if Oklahoma, and/or Texas depart, after the departure of Colorado, Nebraska, and A & M. The SEC is not looking to add schools. It was not looking for A & M. A & M looked to and communicated with the SEC. The A & M president worked hard and convinced Slive to accept them and to convince the SEC member university presidents.

    WVU likely was told, if anything, that the SEC is not seeking expansion or adding new schools at this time. That was the same thing told to A & M at one point. This is what the SEC just said a few weeks ago. This is how the SEC works, slowly, and even more so now amidst the Big 12 (10, 9, 3, 2, 1, 0) situation of threatened law suits.

    WVU administration, alums, and fans need not be dismayed or very concerned. Watch and see how the A & M situation unfolds, learn from the process, and bide your time. The SEC is very stable. It adds members slowly and carefully. If you want SEC membership you need to take time, do all you need to do to prepare, be patient and you will be ready when the door opens. Patience is certainly a virtue in this situation.

  19. andymcdandy says: Sep 20, 2011 2:37 PM

    Now reports are circulating that the SEC has extended an invite to apply to Missouri.

  20. thefiesty1 says: Sep 20, 2011 2:42 PM

    According to the official AAU website there are only 61 schools that are currently members (by invitation only) out of the 116 FBS schools. WVA is not a member but that shouldn’t be a problem for the SEC since only Vandy and Florida and soon to be A&M are members.

    It has to be market as the SEC would probably rather have Missouri with the St Louis/KC markets. Oh, and Missouri is a member of the AAU.

  21. auburntigers34 says: Sep 20, 2011 2:44 PM

    jmo, but i think that the SEC will look to the West for all 4 teams, put them in the SEC West with LSU, Ole Miss, and MSU, and move Alabama and Auburn to the East.

    it wouldn’t surprise me if they’re talking to Oklahoma and Oklahoma State about being the 15th and 16th teams.

  22. pdmjr says: Sep 20, 2011 2:45 PM

    AAU means nothing anymore. Everyone wants ND and they are not offer AAU design.

    They want their $$$$$ from NBC/Comcast

  23. latrobe21 says: Sep 20, 2011 2:50 PM

    Easy decision for the SEC. WVU had nothing to offer the conference.

  24. mhalt99 says: Sep 20, 2011 2:59 PM

    No TV market, no geographical advantage and no elite academic claim to fame. All WVU has is a solid football and basketball program and a second or third tier academic program (not knocking it – better than it was a few years ago).

    WVU will be very attractive…..just not until all the big fish, such as Texas and the rest of the big 12, are settled. After this happens and the Iowa legislature twists enough arms to force a package deal with Iowa and Iowa State ala VA/VA Tech and the ACC a few years back, the conferences will decide exactly how many teams they will expand to. If they all go 16 then WVU becomes attractive. Another thing holding WVU back is who really wants to play there? The crowd is extremely hostile and vulgar (again not knocking it, one man’s passion is another man’s….). I saw once years ago where they had a blow up doll in the stands before a big UConn bball game (really). Is there any advantage to play there? Do you really want to lose to WVU even if in off years when they play Temple to your VA Tech?

    Again tough going for WVU and her stakeholders. Keep your head up though. Once the final rounds of the current expansion happen you will be the pig in lipstick that a few conferences will be fighting over.

    If expansion stops short or you are left out….keep playing solid football and you will be the posterchild for how the super conferences are un-american and anti competitive.

  25. southernpatriots says: Sep 20, 2011 3:06 PM

    auburntigers34: You are absolutely correct. SEC President Slive spoke with Oklahoma a year ago and the discussion did not progress. He spoke again and through other communication to Oklahoma about a month ago. There has been no word of any progress to these secret discussions.

  26. quizguy66 says: Sep 20, 2011 3:14 PM

    I think the leftover Big East/Big IX schools should name their new conference The Conference of the Damned. Kinda catchy :)
    -QG

  27. seanmmartin says: Sep 20, 2011 3:15 PM

    My bad, you are correct in that WVU is not an AAU school. (Personally, I don’t know how I left it on there. WVU is the easiest state school to get into in the country; sorry.)

    But really, the AAU tag is something nice. I could list benefits, but college football is first on my list, and we all can use Google.

  28. sportsdrenched.com says: Sep 20, 2011 3:18 PM

    When they say apply. Are there actually staffers filling applications to the conference? Or is the offer extended and then a bunch of lawyers get together and hammer out the contract?

  29. nickel1383 says: Sep 20, 2011 4:02 PM

    Can we please get the state abbreviation right? It is WV, not W. Va.

    Secondly, “WVU is the easiest state school to get into in the country”. Yes, this is correct. Have you taken a look into the economy of our state? We’re a poor state, so by making it easy to get into so that more of our state residents can go to college, and better the state gives everyone a right to look down on us?!

    Besides, y’all might look down on us but just think about this..
    WVU: 25 Rhodes Scholars
    ‘Bama: 15 Rhodes Scholars
    UGA: 18 Rhodes Scholars
    Doesn’t seem like we’re that dumb after all…

  30. pdmjr says: Sep 20, 2011 4:24 PM

    Only a moron would say WVU is the easiest school to get into in the country. I get tired of people throwing stones about what college is better than another. They play good football and bb in Morgantown. I have been there many times for work and games.

  31. seanmmartin says: Sep 20, 2011 4:34 PM

    “Only a moron would say WVU is the easiest school to get into in the country.”

  32. cshimer18 says: Sep 20, 2011 4:42 PM

    If I read one more post that refers to West Virginia University or the state of West Virginia as WVA, i’m going to lose it. It is always some dumb *&$% that isn’t from WV, talking trash. They arn’t even smart enough to know that it is WVU. You do realize that it is a separate state from Virginia (VA). West Virginia is WV. There is no “A”. Probably some dumb hick from the south with a southern draw thinking they can bash WV and make themselves feel good. I grew up in Philly, graduated from WVU and live in Florida. I would live in WV anytime over most of the true southern states. Hillbilly over hick any day. People bash West Virginia and have never seen any of it. Best times of my life… WVU

  33. steelcitystud says: Sep 20, 2011 4:57 PM

    I wonder if the SEC thinks WVU engineers drive choo-choo trains!

  34. jw004wv says: Sep 20, 2011 5:05 PM

    Seriously? As a West Virginian, I can attest to WVU’s ease of entrance, but academically it is not a cake walk. Kudos to the gentleman who brought up the Rhodes scholar stats. As for those of you clinging to the notion that WVU is “the easisest state school to get into in the country”?You’re obviously forgetting about the a few state schools whose academics AND students have a not-so-nice reputation nationally among the college football world.

    LSU- to quote Daniel Tosh, “Cajun is French mixed with redneck and that’s a hygiene combination no anti-perspirant can tackle…”
    Rutgers- Serving the greater “armpit of the universe” area.
    Last but not least—I can’t even think of a joke for Arizona State. Seriously, I probably would have been accepted at age 14, had I been a blonde, tan, brainless USC reject.

    All jokes aside, the TV market comments aren’t unfounded, but they aren’t the best argument either. We do get a large pull at events in DC and NYC from alumni in that area. Also, I’ve heard from numerous out-of-staters that not only does WVU travel well during the regular season and in DROVES to bowl games, but that the mass of WVU support statewide is downright impressive.

    As far a the conduct of fans/students, I make no excuses. Passionate and sometimes crude, but generally friendly outside of the stadium and sometimes inside(i.e. UCONN game at home after their player’s stabbing death) it is what you can expect from a fanbase that is mostly blue-collar, and from a state that offers FREE TUITION to state schools for residents that graduate HS with a 3.0 and certain test scores.

    We love our Mountaineers and the SEC fans should respect us (Sugar Bowl WHOOPIN ’06) and they definitely will respect us come Saturday night. Now I recognize that I’m a bit biased but those saying WVU has no business in the SEC need to check the facts. Adding a little known, over-achieving school like WVU doesn’t seem so crazy after all, now does it?

  35. artbyshan says: Sep 20, 2011 5:26 PM

    Where’s the coast in West Virginia ?

  36. nickel1383 says: Sep 20, 2011 5:29 PM

    @jwoo- thank you and I’m a lady mountaineer.

  37. puckfitt says: Sep 20, 2011 5:34 PM

    I realize by sticking the word Report: in front of the title you save your credibility. However, as a blog that was born not that far from WVU campus, you should do a little more research before smearing WVU.

    Those “multiple BE sources” got there info from a two-bit Twit(ter).

    Does no one think before they type.
    Why would the SEC reject anyone, let alone WVU, until #14, or even #15, #16 are even filled.

  38. Ben Kercheval says: Sep 20, 2011 5:43 PM

    puckfitt,

    Not smearing WVU at all. That’s the report from McMurphy, and we’re not the only ones who have used it. As for the sources, they may be right, may be wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time in this carousel. Been told the only two people who know for sure what’s going on are President Clements and AD Luck.

    But, I’ve stated in this very piece that WVU can still get into the SEC.

  39. Deb says: Sep 20, 2011 6:07 PM

    steelcitystud says:

    I wonder if the SEC thinks WVU engineers drive choo-choo trains!
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    We’re pretty smart people down here, fellow Steeler fan. We understand engineers … and bigots.

  40. Deb says: Sep 20, 2011 6:10 PM

    I want Georgia Tech, which is an AAU member. And I’m sick of hearing WVU fans moan about people putting down West Virginia while they turn their stereotypes and bigotry on the South. Hope LSU has a field day against them. And that’s coming from a Bama fan.

    Slive is a smart man.

  41. Deb says: Sep 20, 2011 6:11 PM

    @Ben …

    From what I’m reading … no thanks.

  42. puckfitt says: Sep 20, 2011 6:21 PM

    check it out Ben.

    http://www.wvillustrated.com/story/15505888/report-wvu-rejected-by-sec-and-acc

    A WVU official told WVi the report about West Virginia University being rejected by the SEC and ACC is an “outright lie.”

    By the way, sorry about the reaction, Ive read way to many blogs this week. And all these no-nothings trashing my Univeristy is making the vein in forehead throb.

    I believe the misinformation that Murph is reporting from originated from Bearcats low tier media.

  43. louforprethident says: Sep 20, 2011 6:34 PM

    “If I read one more post that refers to West Virginia University or the state of West Virginia as WVA, i’m going to lose it. It is always some dumb *&$% that isn’t from WV, talking trash”

    For the record, West Virginia used to be and can still be referenced by WVa. The US post office standardized state abbreviations and limited the number of letters to two back in the eighties I believe. Using the old abbreviation is not wrong. Some people still abbreviate Florida with Fla.

    For those of you that followed my posts on the last article about WVU, this is what I’m talking about. A lot of WVU fans are always looking for a fight. Who really cares if someone uses WVa or WV?

  44. Deb says: Sep 20, 2011 6:34 PM

    cshimer18 says:
    Probably some dumb hick from the south with a southern draw thinking they can bash WV and make themselves feel good. I grew up in Philly, graduated from WVU and live in Florida. I would live in WV anytime over most of the true southern states.
    ————————————————–

    What the heck is a “southern draw”? And if you don’t think Florida is a true Southern state, that says a lot about WVU’s geography courses. Speaking as a native of this true Southern state, since you don’t like the South, GET OUT. Or head to Arkansas. The Razorbacks are skilled pig-callers. You’ll feel right at home.

  45. Ben Kercheval says: Sep 20, 2011 6:45 PM

    no offense taken,, puckfitt.

    I will, however, refrain from reading WVi.

  46. puckfitt says: Sep 20, 2011 6:50 PM

    LOL, I understand. Maybe Murph will.

  47. WingT says: Sep 20, 2011 7:04 PM

    puckfitt – you said
    “Does no one think before they type.”
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

    Good question. :)

  48. westvirginnyu says: Sep 20, 2011 7:34 PM

    For the record: It IS correct to abbreviate the state of West Virginia as W. Va., NOT WV. WV is a postal code, just as CA is for Cal., PA for Penn., TX for Tex., etc.
    Just sayin’.
    (And we’re surprised that we’re not academically acceptable)

  49. nickel1383 says: Sep 20, 2011 7:38 PM

    “The standard two letter abbreviation for the state of West Virginia is WV”— straight from Wikipedia

  50. richirwin says: Sep 20, 2011 7:46 PM

    Honestly, I find it hilarious that people from Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, George, Tennessee, Arkansas, South Carolina, and Kentucky are talking badly about West Virginia.

    Once you leave ANY of those states, nobody is impressed with your school.

    Even a private like Vandy doesn’t carry its prestige beyond Appalachia.

    It feels like the retarded kids arguing about who is the smartest.

  51. mhalt99 says: Sep 20, 2011 7:59 PM

    It is always funny when you watch “red necks” call out “hicks” and the arguments that proceed from there.

    Alabama may be the best program in the country (top 5 all time at least)….but the reality is…..if you are from Alabama….can you really make fun of anyone from anywhere? I mean…you are from ALABAMA????

    Also as far as Academics are concerned WVU fits right in with the SEC. Sure, Georgia, Vandy and Florida are very good universities but come on….the rest of the schools down there are well….well they provide an education at a reduced price to state residents….So academically stop fooling your selves. It is PAC 12, followed by the Big 10/ACC, Big 12, Big East (with pitt and cuse) and then finally the SEC. Without Vandy, Georgia and Florida the SEC would be behind the Mountain West and Sunbelt.

  52. proudredneck says: Sep 20, 2011 8:25 PM

    I don’t know why all the haters are out hating on WVU. I think it would be a great fit for the SEC. I live in Georgia and most everyone i talk to thinks it’s a great idea. A few childish people on here. Once you are in you will be fully accepted. I hope it happens…From a UGA fan.

  53. pdmjr says: Sep 20, 2011 8:47 PM

    Most of these haters couldn’t find WV on a map.

    Bunch of narrow minde dumbshitz

  54. Derty Ernie says: Sep 20, 2011 9:01 PM

    Its the association with hick coal miners and all those cousins relationships that scare the SEC.
    They just don’t want to bread with them.

  55. Derty Ernie says: Sep 20, 2011 9:03 PM

    Only 5 students in the school have a clear understanding that West Virginia is two words. LOL

  56. jmb795 says: Sep 20, 2011 9:34 PM

    Secession from Virginia still haunts them after 150 years.

  57. southernpatriots says: Sep 20, 2011 9:48 PM

    Deb: As we posted on the Missouri offer thread…we love you. we appreciate you. But we are glad that Missouri will likely be coming to the SEC for numerous reasons. We think the addition of A & M and Missouri will encourage the other SEC schools to continue improving their academics, and the new rivalries and because ALL this is fueled by a great need for expanded markets (MONEY!!! provided by tv contracts, etc.) new market areas.

    Once again, do not judge the West Virginia University or West Virginians by the few rabid Moutaineer fans who react to any perceived offense, no more than others who retaliate against them from God knows where. We try to ignore most.

    It truly appears that the SEC lead by Slive are going to accept membership from schools which have high academics and good athletic programs (not just football). We know discussions are ongoing with several schools closer to Birmingham but these are not at any stage of discussion. The particular schools are just inquiring and seeing if they may wish to consider joining the SEC.

    We know for sure that the SEC has NOT rejected any overtures or application from WVU. The SEC will have representative(s) in Morgantown this Friday and Saturday for the game with LSU. Don’t know if they will be bringing a message from Birmingham (SEC headquarters) or just on a mission to see the campus, speak with some administrators and get a feeling for the fans, etc.

  58. Deb says: Sep 20, 2011 9:48 PM

    @richirwin …

    Actually, Vanderbilt is one of the top-ranked schools in the nation. And though I’m a Floridian who was raised in a Crimson Tide household, I’m a Missouri grad. It’s an AAU school and the oldest and best journalism school in the world, which is why I chose it. And reportedly it looks much better to the SEC than WVU.

    I was excited about the prospect of pursuing WVU for the SEC. It’s only after reading the obnoxious bigoted, ignorant, anti-Southern comments on this board from fools like you that I’m thankful we dodged that bullet and pray the door is permanently closed.

    Excuse me. After leaving this thread, I need a shower.

  59. dawgs105 says: Sep 20, 2011 9:59 PM

    @puckfitt
    Why would the SEC reject anyone, let alone WVU, until #14, or even #15, #16 are even filled.

    The SEC is picky because they would like to remain the best conference in college football. I’m not saying West Virginia isn’t a good football program, just stating a fact.

  60. Deb says: Sep 20, 2011 10:36 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    I have close friends who went to WVU and are wonderful people, and I edited a book on West Virginia and it sounded like the most beautiful state. Have always wanted to visit. I know better than to tarnish the whole state because of a few dipsticks. As you know, I wanted to pursue WVU for the SEC. But some of the comments on this thread are ridiculous. They got my Southern up ;)

    I’d prefer my alma mater Missouri didn’t wind up in the SEC west competing with Alabama when my whole family and I are rabid Crimson Tide fans. That will feel awkward. But what will be, will be. I would be excited for another AAU school to come into the SEC–although my first choice remains GaTech because of its historic association with the conference. We’ll just have to see what the coming weeks bring.

  61. maddogwhite says: Sep 20, 2011 10:44 PM

    I’m a WVU alumnus and I grudgingly must say, I believe this story 100%. Whether it was a rejection, postponement, whatever, WVU will NOT be the next team to join the SEC, and may not ever be included. So be it.

    I do find it laughable, however, that several posters have come here to say the decision was in part based on WVU’s academics. All of you show your ignorance. This is 100% about one thing and one thing only: MONEY.

    Are you people really that naive to think that deep down school presidents are concerned about scholastics when there is all this $$$ up for grabs? Yeah, and the presidents never wanted to add an extra playoff game because it would affect the “student” athlete — but they somehow managed to sneak in a 12th game eventually.

    Bottom line: WVU was turned down for one reason: market size. Let’s face it, if WVU, a perennial top 20 football school, was in a market larger than some of the other schools being considered, it would be a slam dunk. But despite a faithful following dispersed throughout the Southeast, WV just isn’t a populous enough area to be attractive.

    We’re also an easy target and a subject of much ridicule. And there’s really only one way to combat such vitriol: WIN. Win the whole damn thing. And perhaps we can start by thumping the SECs top school on national television this Saturday night.

  62. southernpatriots says: Sep 20, 2011 10:59 PM

    Deb: We understand and agree all through your post.

    The realignments and scavenging conferences and all is motivated by money. Certainly in this economic climate money income streams are a major consideration. State colleges are receiving less from their states because their states have to balance their budgets unlike the feds. Money, money, money…

    No conference really wants to lose those schools which have great success year in and year out in the top 10 or 25, are bowl bound year after year and have played for the BCS National or most especially won it. Those that are great research schools, garnering millions and more in research money, or gain the conferences free media attention by having other unique qualities are preferred.

    Either this is an exciting time or an exhausting one to be a college football fan or have a dear alma mater or allegiances. This breakneck pace is really going slow in some circumstances (A & M’s progress toward full membership in the SEC).

    We would love having Georgia Tech, and Florida State if only somehow they would have the vision that A & M has (a 100 year vision, or intention to be with the SEC that long). I think once the SEC has its schools it needs a much larger buyout than the ACC ($20 million) to dissaude any thought of taking the SEC for granted, take the money and running to some better deal somewhere.

    We struggle with that…on the one hand we think there should be no exit penalty and if there is one it should be $50 million….somehow we feel Slive will cover that with wisdom.

  63. paulbrownsrevenge says: Sep 20, 2011 11:18 PM

    ^ If you wanna thump LSU, you should have been recruiting fast lineman 3-4 years ago. At Least the country roads will take you home after the game… to lick your wounds.

  64. paulbrownsrevenge says: Sep 20, 2011 11:19 PM

    @maddogwhite

    Read above post.

  65. wveerinnc says: Sep 20, 2011 11:38 PM

    First. To the ignorant BIGOT, since WVU fans have been called bigots, know your stuff before calling West Virginian’s inbred. Read it and weep. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/11/25/garden/26cousins-map/popup.jpg

    Also, we hear it enough that we are Western Virginians and when introduced as orginially from Virginia, we take offense to W.Va. WV is it’s own state. Whether you like that or not isn’t my problem.

    WVU has more fans in NC than any of your SEC teams. Yeah, the NC market is a possible for you would you accept us. Again, the SEC has stated, they haven’t voted for our acceptance. A&M is their number one priority. Mizzou screwed the pooch by saying they were accepted when they weren’t. Blame that on an insider telling the writer who then had to retract their statements. Mizzou wants Big 10. OU is in bed with Texas and along with them come OSU – the Oklahoma OSU, and Texas Tech. SEC isn’t going to renig on the A&M deal so those 4 are out plus Mizzou, because I’m sure Slive was throwing stuff when his assistant told him the reports. Hence a quick denial on SEC’s part.

    There are MILLIONS of ways this could and will play out. WVU would be a great team to add to the SEC. You want tickets sold; we buy ‘em. You want licensed merchandise sold; we eat it up. You want a team who travels well; well, we don’t sell out our visitors sections for away games for nothing. When it comes to money and HUGE fan base, it doesn’t get any better than WVU. I’ve been around many fan bases that cannot rival our fans. Everyone assumes WVU only has the WV market, wrong. I live in Charlotte, NC. The amount of WVU fans in this city is crazy. There are WVU fans ALL OVER the South. And yes, WV is a Southern state. We started the term ‘redneck’ and ‘hillbilly’ and you probably don’t even know the background.

    As for being coal miners, I would not want to be called anything but when it comes to laborers. They are the hardest working men in the world. I’d like to see you make it miles beneath the surface. So go back to being the fair weather SEC fans who have only perked up because WVU might come to town and beat you at your own game. Real SEC fans are petitioning for us to be in the conference. They are saying how fun it will be going to Morgantown or having new rivalries perk up.

    So what if we have a good time at games and bring toys? It’s better than somethings I’ve seen with SEC players and their, ahem, conquests…

    So to sum it up. Know your laws before you start pointing fingers, ’cause there are three pointing right back at ya. Don’t mess with my state, we are loyal and 10x better than the teams you want (which aren’t competitive in basketball or football). We spend the money you say we can’t bring in. And I know more about this crap than anyone who has posted. WVU would thrive in the SEC and the conference would reap the benefits.

    I’ll see you when the SEC has voted, which will be after A&M fiasco is over.

  66. theunbalancedline says: Sep 21, 2011 12:10 AM

    25 Rhodes scholars? You might as well measure them all for pads because that’s about how relevant WVU is going to be in about 5 years.

  67. louforprethident says: Sep 21, 2011 9:39 AM

    wveerinnc:

    “Also, we hear it enough that we are Western Virginians and when introduced as orginially from Virginia, we take offense to W.Va. WV is it’s own state. Whether you like that or not isn’t my problem.”

    I understand that some idiots don’t know that West Virginia is it’s own state. That’s not the point and it would be fruitless to argue with them anyway. The fact remains that you are offended by the abbreviation W.Va. My point is why do WVU fans get all bent out of shape over something like that? It is an accepted abbreviation. It has been used by West Virginian’s for over a century. I spent 30 some years living in that state and I never heard anyone get upset over using W.Va.

    I understand that WV gets pot shots from ignorant people all the time (as do a lot of other states). Most of the time those people should be ignored because you shouldn’t bring yourself and the state down to their level. But, if you feel you must defend, please pick something much more important that doesn’t sound so silly.

    I agree that there is nothing to be ashamed about being a coal miner or having any association with them. I wouldn’t want to do what they do. Most people don’t realize that most of the electricity in the east coast is powered by coal mined in appalachia.

    Will WVU eventually end up in the SEC? Who knows. I just hope they don’t. That’s a personal feeling as a football fan I have and it’s not based on any facts about money, fan base size or acedemics.

  68. waynefontes says: Sep 21, 2011 9:45 AM

    Should be an amazing crowd on Saturday.

    Then again, a few years ago all WVU had to do was beat a mediocore Pitt team AT HOME and they’re playing for the national title.

    I like WVU, have a couple of friends who went there. But WVU is like Clemson. I wouldn’t care if either joined the SEC but….

    What do they offer the SEC other than a rabid fan base? It’s not like the SEC doesn’t have enough of those anyway.

  69. southernpatriots says: Sep 21, 2011 9:57 AM

    waynefontes: NOW YOU KNOW YOU ARE FUNNY!

    You are so right about the rabid fan base. We can’t speak about Bama v. Auburn, Bama v. Tennessee, we can’t speak about any other fan base…we are LSU alums…nuff said.

    We KNOW the SEC has not closed any door on WVU. In a couple of days, Slive may reveal at least some of what he has been working on in secret. Missouri will not join the SEC until and if the Big 12 collapses or becomes unviable. The SEC does not wish to face any lawsuits from the dependent schools in the Big 12.

    With the Pac 12 closing the door on OK now the SEC option seems there only way. They may want to pull Texas into the SEC and we KNOW the SEC will not allow the LHN, at least in its present self-serving format.

    This is big drama. The ESPN talking heads have complained that this continuing news story has totally drowned out all other sports stories, even pro football. This is fun for college football fans.

  70. louforprethident says: Sep 21, 2011 10:06 AM

    southernpatriots:

    This is fun. Look at all the comments on JT’s site! I’m sure he’s hitting some all time records.

    I practically forgot that baseball was still going on, but that may have more to do with the fact that I’m a Cubs fan.

  71. southernpatriots says: Sep 21, 2011 10:46 AM

    louforprethident: Yes, indeed! JT must be thrilled. Maybe somehow the CFT side may come with shooting distance of number of posts on the PFT side?

    baseball? baseball? The same is true for all other sports. Sporting News folks are upset…ha. It is good to get their blood pumping. Bless your heart! A Cubs fan, bless your heart. You are a true fan….a loooonnnnnggggg suffering, true fan.

    If we weren’t so close in range to the New Orleans Saints and get their Saints all the time tv station, we probably would have lost touch with Drew and the team through this. But they lost the first game to the world champs and then beat another Chicago team–the Bears, for the first time, so they are on an uptick with some momentum.

    But of course, there’s dem Tigahs! LSU travels to the “friendly” confines of Milan Puskar Stadium on the campus of WVU. This will be the third ranked opponent this season, after Oregon (first game) and Mississippi State (third game).

  72. Deb says: Sep 21, 2011 10:55 AM

    wveerinnc says …

    I called you bigots for the vicious stereotypical slurs you were aiming at Southerners. I’ve never made any slurs at West Virginians. I’ve never called you hillbillies or inbreds or any vulgar name. I don’t engage in that type behavior, thank you. As I said, I edited a book on West Virginia, so I don’t need history lessons from you. I’ve always admired the state and its people … until I came here and read the vile things your commenters were saying about others.

  73. seanmmartin says: Sep 21, 2011 10:59 AM

    Deb,

    You can read?

  74. steelcitystud says: Sep 21, 2011 11:09 AM

    Deb,
    I am from West Virginia! I was kidding about the Alabama people not giving WVU the credit for their engineering program. Which is a damned good one! I wish WVU would get into the ACC. I am a huge Pitt fan, and would love to see the rivalry continue. Plus, WVU could probably whip up on the majority of the conference in football. They already recruit heavily out of Florida. I would think admission into either the ACC or SEC would only cement that recruiting. I believe they pulled a pretty good recruit by the name of Pat White out of the south! Don’t get your panties in a wad!

  75. maddogwhite says: Sep 21, 2011 11:58 AM

    @paulbrownsrevenge

    LSU should win the game. They are favored and from a stronger conference, but if they somehow lose, you better believe the WVU faithful will be here to call you out.

    Remember, we beat Georgia in the Sugar Bowl the year they held it IN Atlanta. So just we’ve already kicked your A$$ before, big mouth

  76. maddogwhite says: Sep 21, 2011 12:01 PM

    @paulbrownsrevenge

    Read above post.

    By the way, Browns and Bengals both suck, and being from the Steel City, your teams are a DISGRACE to our division. An utter DISGRACE.

    Why don’t you recruit them to the SEC where they REALLY belong.

  77. Deb says: Sep 21, 2011 2:48 PM

    @seanmmartin …

    You can write?

  78. Deb says: Sep 21, 2011 3:02 PM

    @steelcitystud and maddogwhite …

    I’m a diehard Steeler and don’t like disagreeing with fellow Pittsburgh fans–especially not one named after #78. But you guys need to get off the Southern hatred. Sorry the SEC said no, but those are the breaks. You may get a second chance at it down the line. This is a money business and West Virginia just doesn’t have that much to offer from a revenue perspective. It’s not personal.; you guys shouldn’t be making it personal. I’m a Mizzou grad and the Big 10 snubbed Missouri last year. I didn’t start screeching at Midwesterners.

    steelcitystud, I’m just mildly tiffed. When my panties are truly wadded, I’m liable to get downright unfriendly.

  79. wveerinnc says: Sep 21, 2011 3:03 PM

    Deb: West Virginian’s aren’t the only ones who think Florida isn’t a Southern state. Geographically, yes. People wise, no.

    WV is a Southern state. Florida is full of New Englanders. That is where you lose Southern state status. When people look at you with a sneer, can’t say ‘please, thank you, excuse me’ you aren’t a Southern state. And I spend more than three weeks in Florida per year. If I’m in someone’s way, the proper thing to do is say ‘excuse me’ and I’ll counter with ‘oh, I’m so sorry’. But that doesn’t occur. Southern hospitality and manners are a fundamental need to be classified as Southern. I have been browsing at Publix with family and in the way – didn’t know it. Do I hear the manners come out? Nope. I hear loud sighing and foot tapping. So what did I do. I turned around looked the older gentleman in the eye and said in my WV/NC drawl “Oh, excuse me, am I in your way. I’m so sorry. Next time just say excuse me and I can move.”

    You don’t hear of Southern manners in Florida, and there is a reason. Majority aren’t from the South.

    Also, I don’t condone anyone from anywhere to call any other state names. Every state has its own issues like the South is stereotyped for. Every state has it’s version of a back woods trash who is racist and hates women. Every state has the redneck. But WV gets the short end of the stick every time. It’s annoying and wrong.

  80. Deb says: Sep 21, 2011 3:04 PM

    @maddogwhite …

    Now why would the hands-down best conference in the NCAA recruit two of the worst teams in the NFL? That makes no sense at all. You know, we should be hoping the Browns and Bengals do better. The better our division is, the better we look.

    GO STEELERS!
    ROLL TIDE!

  81. wveerinnc says: Sep 21, 2011 3:12 PM

    Oh, and the SEC has not told us no. The ACC never told us no. It’s been reported. Wouldn’t the ACC release a statement saying they turned WVU down? ACC doesn’t like WVU and they like turning us down. Only ‘insiders’ have rumored of the votes.

  82. steelcitystud says: Sep 21, 2011 3:24 PM

    Deb,
    I’m a huge Pitt fan! Glad we went to the ACC. I live in VA. & will get some better media coverage. I wish WVU could come along. However, I think they could fair well in the SEC athletically. Pitt? We’d be the Duke of SEC football!
    Go Stillers!

  83. southernpatriots says: Sep 21, 2011 3:26 PM

    wveerinnc: You are correct. We warned all posters that this report was not to be believed from the beginning threads on this site. We comforted upset WVU alums and fans to just be patient and be calm. This process is very slow with the SEC which is very stable and does not move quickly. They would want to clear up the huge drama with A &M before going on farther.

    We are a family of LSU alums and fans, purple and gold flowing in our genes. We love the people of West Virginia and Central Appalachia. We especially love the children. We have volunteered for decades, working with dentists, doctors, and nurses among rural areas.

    Of course, from our perspective, we want LSU to win and expect them to do so. But if it were Auburn or South Carolina or Ole Miss we would want the same thing. (with Ole Miss we may wish for humiliation but that is a genetic generatational rivalry…smile)

  84. Deb says: Sep 21, 2011 3:48 PM

    @steelcitystud …

    Pitt–now that makes sense. A lot of Steeler fans here are Penn State fans :) Yes, sorry to say for the Big East, the ACC will be a much better home for you. I think either the ACC or the SEC would be a good home for WVU.

    @wveerinnc …

    I’ve simply been reacting to some of the nastiness WVU fans have been directing at Southerners for the last few days. That hostility puzzles me–I’d think we’d stick together against the smugness of people who don’t appreciate country roads.

    Yes, I know neither conference has technically turned down WVU and those doors are still open. I’m just trying to find a reason for the hostility. And I agree that bigotry, poverty, and ignorance can be found in every state. Regional hatreds should be a thing of the past in our society, but ignorance dies a slow death.

    Actually, with due respect to your annual three-week excursions, parts of Florida are unchanged in their Southern culture. So it depends where you travel. I’m in Central Florida, which has lost most of its agri-based economy and has had a large influx of transplants from the Northeast whose upbringing, unfortunately, didn’t include Southern manners. But I live in a rural area where many “Southerners” still reside.

    Yes, changing demographics in many parts of the state, especially South Florida, mean it no longer has the cultural earmarks of the traditional South. Of course, the same is true for the Greater Atlanta area of Georgia. But that doesn’t change the history or geography of these areas. Like America, Florida is a melting pot and maintains parts of its Southern culture stirred in with its Cuban culture and the cultural traditions of its newer residents. So we don’t appreciate being told we’re not what we know ourselves to be.

  85. steelcitystud says: Sep 21, 2011 3:58 PM

    Deb,
    Say what you want, but the home stadium fans can be downright viscious on a visiting team & its fans. I wouldn’t wear purple in Morgantown this weekend if my life depended on it. WVU wins, LSU is gonna hear it. WVU loses, LSU is gonna hear it worse!

  86. southernpatriots says: Sep 21, 2011 4:01 PM

    Deb & all: No one can tell the Yankees that come down to South Florida for the winter that Florida is not the South. These “snow birds” go SOUTH every fall and return home to New Hampshire, Connecticut, Massachusettes, New York, New Jersey, etc. every spring. We know dozens.

  87. Deb says: Sep 21, 2011 5:41 PM

    @steelcitystud …

    That’s no worry for me. I’ll be in my living room screaming for the Crimson Tide against Arkansas :D Then Sunday night, I’ll be yelling GO STEELERS!!

    @southernpatriots …

    Oh yes … they go “South,” clogging the roadways and making it impossible to get doctor and dentist appointments for six months :)

  88. southernpatriots says: Sep 21, 2011 7:40 PM

    Deb: You are a riot! What you write is so true, but written in a way, it is so funny!

    Ya’ll have Arkansas, a thorn in our side almost every year and we have WVU in Morgantown. No easy breeze for either team.

  89. Deb says: Sep 21, 2011 10:08 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    LOL … my mom keeps asking, “Have you scheduled your checkup?? You know you won’t be able to get in if you wait much longer.” :)

    Yep … we’ve got tough contests this weekend.

  90. southernpatriots says: Sep 21, 2011 10:22 PM

    Deb: The snow birds are coming!

    It doesn’t get easier either because there is the gauntlet week after week. We have asked the question numerous times but would the smurfs Boise State wish to take the schedule of Alabama, LSU, Florida, etc.?

    By the way, we went to edgy’s website and left him several emails inquiring of his health and that of his sister and family, asking him to post a response. Another poster also left a message but it has now been a few weeks and no response. We are concerned.

  91. paulbrownsrevenge says: Sep 21, 2011 10:44 PM

    @maddogwhite

    I’m not a Georgia fan, I’m an Ohio State fan. How long ago did you beat UGA??? woo hoo, Didn’t an average Pitt team knock you out of your only chance for a title?

    Was Adam Jones a rhodes scholar?

    I’m sorry you are still butthurt over DickRod bailing on your program. If it makes you feel any better OSU owned him and his sissy spread ball.
    The BigEast is a football Doormat and always has been. Miami and VT held it together for a while.

    The Browns will be fine. So kick them while their down. I gotta get off this post….I hear banjos.

  92. Deb says: Sep 22, 2011 12:46 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    Yes, I’ve been concerned as well. No one has heard from him.

  93. southernpatriots says: Sep 22, 2011 1:23 PM

    Deb: Our next step will be to communicate with the host of his site to see if they have any info or can direct us to him.

  94. Deb says: Sep 22, 2011 3:19 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    I can save you the trouble. JT hasn’t been able to reach him either.

  95. southernpatriots says: Sep 22, 2011 3:28 PM

    Deb: wow. We did not know that. That confirms some concerns we have had. We know his sister was in precarious health and he was the only healthy one in his family. We can pray for him and we will.

  96. WingT says: Sep 22, 2011 3:58 PM

    Deb / SouthernPatriots, can one of you back channel me at wingt919 at yahoo?

  97. sequtugh says: Sep 22, 2011 6:07 PM

    Deb: I have your answer about the vitrol from WV folks on this thread – people from WV are hypersensitive to criticism about our state and university. Sometimes it comes out poorly. I was born and raised in Clarksburg WV and moved to Atlanta 25 years ago, and I have lived through the misconceptions of WV for the last 25 years. Backward, inbred, stupid, etc. When I tell people where I’m from they’ll tell me “oh, I’ve been to Roanoke”. Most people I know who were raised in WV are fiercely loyal to the state and get bent out of shape when they perceive a slight, regardless of how small. There is a definite “us against the world’ mentality at work. That doesn’t excuse poor manners, it’s simply an explanation of what you are seeing.

    btw – my hometown and family, myself included, bleed black and gold on Sundays. Go Steelers! Let’s Go Mountaineers!

  98. mhalt99 says: Sep 23, 2011 12:14 AM

    “Secession from Virginia still haunts them after 150 years.”

    Yeah funny how that works. They split from Virginia during the Civil War to fight with the North. Meanwhile the South gets their buts kicked and now WV are the “dumb hicks” and VA with Thomas Jefferson raping underage african american are the nobel high society type?

    WVU: Beg to get into the Big 12, why be with a bunch of hick losers…. I mean really, Alabama?

  99. jw004wv says: Sep 23, 2011 10:28 AM

    Been a few days since I posted but I’m glad this thread is still going. Read through the comments and after a little thinking on the topic, and putting all jokes aside, I wanted to come and say this to the LSU fans:
    Thank you.

    We West Virginians recognize that your beloved conference, the SEC, IS the elite of college football, and we thank you, your team, and your administration for recognizing us as worthy opponents to test both teams desire for and ability to reach the national championship this year. Both sides are extremely passionate fanbases that once you get past the expected few trash-talkers that make their way to the forefront, are extremely pleasant and well educated students of the game. We all LOVE college football, and anyone who does is always welcome in our state. Our beloved “Voice of the Mountaineers”, radio broadcaster Tony Caridi said the following this morning, and I wanted to make sure that it is echoed through these threads. (I’ve attatched the original link as well). I felt that this speaks volumes about both fanbases and gives credit where credit is due. Tigers, welcome to Morgantown. Let’s play some football.

    “I’ve been waiting to write this column for one year. Seriously, for one year, I’ve made a mental note to make sure that I do my part in spreading the word about how well WVU fans were treated last year in Baton Rouge.
    West Virginia fans really enjoyed their trip to Baton Rouge last year.

    I’ve spent the last 30 football seasons traversing the country on fall weekends. I’ve traveled to the “big” places: Lincoln, Gainesville, Knoxville, Austin, South Bend, College Station, State College, Athens, Tallahassee, and more.

    Been there, done ’em.

    All are wonderful venues, but none were as warm, friendly, and as inviting as the purple-and-gold-clad folks at LSU. It wasn’t, “Hey, that’s the other school’s radio announcing crew, be nice!”

    The truth is our motley MSN group traveled incognito into the heart of LSU fandom. We had just finished a Cajun breakfast like no other and began walking the campus. It was early morning and we were dressed the way you’re supposed to look on a Saturday … unshaven, sporting baseball caps, and decked out in our Mountaineer gear.

    We weren’t even looking for friends, just looking around at the unbelievable way tens of thousands of people can create a temporary world complete with kitchens, living-room-like accommodations, and enough big screen TVs to make Best Buy envious. The more we walked, the more buddies we made. LSU fans legitimately wanted to talk football. They knew Mountaineer personnel like no other opposing fans I’ve encountered. They were informed, they were passionate, and they treated us, along with the thousands of other Mountaineer fans, like fans are supposed to be treated.

    There were no catcalls; there were no taunts and there were no imbecilic t-shirts. It was in a word, civilized.

    Granted, LSU fans had no reason to dislike WVU fans since there was no history or bad blood between the two schools. The Tiger faithful admitted they can be less friendly when some of their longtime SEC foes visited. However, the fact is that LSU fans treated the Mountaineer faithful wonderfully and we all need to do the same this weekend.

    Simply return the genuine hospitality. If you see someone from the Bayou then give them a warm welcome to Almost Heaven. Go ahead and share some of your tailgate stash. They turned us on to dirty rice so go ahead and introduce them to our famous pepperoni rolls.

    It pains me that about five percent of our fans have tarnished the image of the other wonderful 95 percent. Of course the perception is not the reality, and this weekend we have the opportunity to prove it to LSU fans and the college football world.

    I’ve been waiting a year to make the request. So please let’s show them what West Virginians and Mountaineer fans are really like. “

  100. jw004wv says: Sep 23, 2011 10:28 AM

    Been a few days since I posted but I’m glad this thread is still going. Read through the comments and after a little thinking on the topic, and putting all jokes aside, I wanted to come and say this to the LSU fans:
    Thank you.

    We West Virginians recognize that your beloved conference, the SEC, IS the elite of college football, and we thank you, your team, and your administration for recognizing us as worthy opponents to test both teams desire for and ability to reach the national championship this year. Both sides are extremely passionate fanbases that once you get past the expected few trash-talkers that make their way to the forefront, are extremely pleasant and well educated students of the game. We all LOVE college football, and anyone who does is always welcome in our state. Our beloved “Voice of the Mountaineers”, radio broadcaster Tony Caridi said the following this morning, and I wanted to make sure that it is echoed through these threads. (I’ve attatched the original link as well). I felt that this speaks volumes about both fanbases and gives credit where credit is due. Tigers, welcome to Morgantown. Let’s play some football.

    “I’ve been waiting to write this column for one year. Seriously, for one year, I’ve made a mental note to make sure that I do my part in spreading the word about how well WVU fans were treated last year in Baton Rouge.
    West Virginia fans really enjoyed their trip to Baton Rouge last year.

    I’ve spent the last 30 football seasons traversing the country on fall weekends. I’ve traveled to the “big” places: Lincoln, Gainesville, Knoxville, Austin, South Bend, College Station, State College, Athens, Tallahassee, and more.

    Been there, done ’em.

    All are wonderful venues, but none were as warm, friendly, and as inviting as the purple-and-gold-clad folks at LSU. It wasn’t, “Hey, that’s the other school’s radio announcing crew, be nice!”

    The truth is our motley MSN group traveled incognito into the heart of LSU fandom. We had just finished a Cajun breakfast like no other and began walking the campus. It was early morning and we were dressed the way you’re supposed to look on a Saturday … unshaven, sporting baseball caps, and decked out in our Mountaineer gear.

    We weren’t even looking for friends, just looking around at the unbelievable way tens of thousands of people can create a temporary world complete with kitchens, living-room-like accommodations, and enough big screen TVs to make Best Buy envious. The more we walked, the more buddies we made. LSU fans legitimately wanted to talk football. They knew Mountaineer personnel like no other opposing fans I’ve encountered. They were informed, they were passionate, and they treated us, along with the thousands of other Mountaineer fans, like fans are supposed to be treated.

    There were no catcalls; there were no taunts and there were no imbecilic t-shirts. It was in a word, civilized.

    Granted, LSU fans had no reason to dislike WVU fans since there was no history or bad blood between the two schools. The Tiger faithful admitted they can be less friendly when some of their longtime SEC foes visited. However, the fact is that LSU fans treated the Mountaineer faithful wonderfully and we all need to do the same this weekend.

    Simply return the genuine hospitality. If you see someone from the Bayou then give them a warm welcome to Almost Heaven. Go ahead and share some of your tailgate stash. They turned us on to dirty rice so go ahead and introduce them to our famous pepperoni rolls.

    It pains me that about five percent of our fans have tarnished the image of the other wonderful 95 percent. Of course the perception is not the reality, and this weekend we have the opportunity to prove it to LSU fans and the college football world.

    I’ve been waiting a year to make the request. So please let’s show them what West Virginians and Mountaineer fans are really like. ”

    http://www.msnsportsnet.com/blogs.cfm?blog=tcBlog&useDate=09/23/11#19374

  101. southernpatriots says: Sep 23, 2011 11:30 AM

    jw004wv: Tony that is a poignant and heartwarming post. You bleed black and gold, we bleed purple and gold. What do we have in common?……gold! That is what true fans are made of…gold! They have hearts of gold. We hope we do and believe you do.

    We remember the Mountaineers from last year in Baton Rouge. We were tailgating as we have for many decades, slow cooking seafood gumbo and stirring our huge jambalaya pot and some boudin when a group of black and gold clad Mountaineers came slowly walking by. We called to them, welcoming them to Deaf Valley (we prefer that original name, rather than Death Valley).

    They were startled that we called to them from our ferverish preparations but they graciously stopped. They asked what was smelling so good and began a great ongoing conversation, giving all samples as the dishes finished with French bread as plates and bowls because our supply was yet to arrive. Other Mountaineers arrived, a few at a time, and we enjoyed meeting them all.

    After the game, we saw many of the same fans returning their cars. We sent them off with goody bags and tried to comfort some who were quite dejected. It was a good time for all.

    Of course, we hope and believe we will win the game. But as it was last year, the game may be the focal point, but there is much more than what transpires on the field.

    Thanks again Tony! You must come to our tailgate next time in “red stick” or come to a great eatery in North Baton Rouge we greatly recommend.

  102. Deb says: Sep 23, 2011 2:50 PM

    @sequtugh …

    I can understand that because we often hear the same comments about the South. Growing up in Florida, it doesn’t impact me as much, but my family is from Alabama, which frequently takes the hit. (Just look at the ignorant, bigoted comment posted by mhalt99.) Because of that, I’ve always thought of West Virginians as kindred spirits, so it was surprising to see tossing out some of the same hateful comments we hear from Northerners. I’d certainly never stereotype West Virginia in that way since I know many wonderful people from that area. And of course, that’s Steeler country. Our whole family, from here to Alabama, are diehard Steeler fans!!

    Roll Tide!
    GO STEELERS!!

  103. sequtugh says: Sep 23, 2011 8:43 PM

    #deb

    Yeah, WV has their share of keyboard tough guys, as do every other fan base. Unfortunate but true. Emotions cloud logic as you are well aware.

    BTW – keep defending our QB on PFT.com from the idiots that slander him! Every time I see some of that crap, I start to respond but usually see you’ve beaten me to the punch! Again, emotions cloud logic …. well, that and your typical internet flame troll just stirring the pot.

  104. Deb says: Sep 24, 2011 3:49 PM

    @sequtugh …

    I’ve paid a price for defending Roethlisberger, and for defending myself when they let guys call me a whore but blocked me from responding. I complained and made them very angry. Was told to stop defending Roethlisberger and said no. So a couple of months ago in the middle of a very civil conversation with a guy about the case, I suddenly couldn’t comment. After trial and error, I discovered, they’d locked my posts at a four-word maximum.

    Now, anytime I post something they don’t like, they lock my posts. They’ll lock me anywhere from 10 words to three lines per comment. Or they’ll let me make one normal comment then lock me. I’ve complained to Florio and NBC, but it hasn’t helped. Sometimes they’ll leave me alone for a couple of weeks, then they’ll start up again. There’s no rhyme or reason to it. They just use these intimidation tactics because they can. Very immature and unprofessional.

    Last night I wound up posting about 15 five-word posts to the moderators on one of the Romo threads and was surprised they actually them put them up. I also posted to Rosenthal on the Hillis thread that if his new daughter grows up to love football, I hope no PFT writer tells moderators to lock her posts at 10 words just because she’s her own person. Was surprised they put that up, too. But posts like that get a lot of thumbs down, so they pat themselves on the back. I won’t be told what to post. But I can’t force them to let me comment if they won’t. And at some point, I’ll just leave the blogs … which is what they want. Very small, petty people running that site.

  105. southernpatriots says: Sep 24, 2011 3:58 PM

    Deb: This may be sacrilege but hopefully not too much…is there another site you can go to and post what you wish on the pro football side of things? If the PFT monitors are so small and petty, and show no sign of growing up, is there some where else you can go and let us know and we will go there also.

  106. Deb says: Sep 24, 2011 4:38 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    Thank you. The support means a lot. It’s been a rough year for me personally, and the football blogs are my stress release. This petty stuff has been going on for months and just creates stress. And I don’t understand how a corporation like NBC condones this kind of behavior–especially when it’s so obviously targeted at a female commenter on a site largely populated by men. I also get a lot of positive feedback from other commenters on PFT, so this animosity makes no sense to me. It’s almost like they become more hostile when I’m getting the most positive feedback.

    I’m sure there are other football blogs comparable to PFT, but they’re also boys’ clubs, so I’d probably run into similar problems. It would be more satisfying to win this battle. Petty little people shouldn’t be allowed to get away with this kind of bullying behavior, and I’m not one who gives up easily :) I’m still considering options. Lately I’ve been overwhelmed with other things, so it’s bothered me more than usual. Florio’s made a fortune on people just like us. He should be more respectful of his audience–or at least more aware of how the staff treats them.

  107. southernpatriots says: Sep 24, 2011 4:56 PM

    Deb: Absolutely. We are “hot and bothered” for you. Let us know what you decide. We will support it.

  108. Deb says: Sep 24, 2011 5:29 PM

    Thank you!! :)

  109. southernpatriots says: Sep 24, 2011 10:42 PM

    We (all family members, even extended, with two absences) are listening the radio broadcast of the LSU v. West Virginia game via 1440 WAJR the flagship station and voice of the Mountaineers. We could not travel to Morgantown, but we thought this would be second best for us. We are popping fresh popcorn and rootbeer made from Zatarain’s root beer extract, what we did so many many years ago.

    The Moutaineers just scored a td, score now 27 – 14 LSU. LSU offense sometimes sputters, but this is a game. WVU atmosphere seems so much like what we are used to in the SEC. The broadcast is reminiscent of other SEC team broadcasts, but without as much partisanship. We’ll I need to pop more corn so I won’t be typing until later.

  110. southernpatriots says: Sep 25, 2011 12:11 AM

    LSU is beginning to dominate in terms of the score. West Virginia has more total yardage and more yards per play but LSU has the benefit of special teams score (99 yard kick off return); 2 interceptions, 2 fumbles. The West Virginia QB Geno Smith passed for 463 yards, a school record.

    LSU 47, WVU 21. LSU’s defense took away the ball 4 times, stopped WVU when necessary to prevent additional scores. To us it was somewhat of a strange game with WVU rolling up 533 yards but LSU won going away. The special teams of LSU were really good as we predicted that the special teams and defense would be the difference in the game. Once again it demonstrates that a good defense will win over a good offense.

    Congratulations to Coach Les Miles and the coaching staff, the players, the many alums and fans that traveled to Morgantown. May God give you all travel mercies and God speed your return back to us!

  111. paulbrownsrevenge says: Sep 25, 2011 12:38 AM

    @southerpats,

    I’d like to see LSU play with a little more class. They never stopped talking trash the whole game. At what point does Miles step in and tell them to turn it down a notch.

    No doubt the Tigers dominated though. can’t wait to see them play Bama.

  112. southernpatriots says: Sep 25, 2011 4:36 AM

    paulbrowns: Were the Tigers the only team talking trash? I doubt they gave too much better than they received. From reports of Tiger fans with team, they received alot of trash talking from some Mountaineer fans and some players as the game started and they responded in kind. LSU’s athletic department would gladly receive your call to report any abuse.

    The Bama game is coming. Just like the Oregon game came. The Mississippi State game came. The West Virginia game came. Other games are coming first. One game at a time.

  113. paulbrownsrevenge says: Sep 25, 2011 3:17 PM

    Im sure WV fans were, But it didn’t seem like the players were. It seemed like Tyrann Mathieu pretty much never stopped running his mouth, even with the game clearly in hand. I just think if you know your’e good, don’t talk, just beat the other team. Constant trash talk shows immaturity, and a lack of control from the coaching staff. In pregame Tyrann was heckling receivers in pregame warm-ups.

  114. paulbrownsrevenge says: Sep 25, 2011 3:19 PM

    I guess winning with class doesn’t apply to the almighty SEC.

  115. southernpatriots says: Sep 25, 2011 3:40 PM

    paulbrowns: WVU fans were heckling and trash talking. WVU players were heckling and trash talking. You seem to be willing to overlook at who and which players and fans started it.

    Since you seem to have evidence that young Mathiew seemed out of control and was excessive with it, put your fingers to the phone and telephone the Athletic Department at LSU and report it. Give them the eye (or ear) witnesses you have and contact information. I am sure they will follow up.

    Once you have done this, if you would like you can post that you have done this and we will follow up. If you are correct with your assertion, we do not support that kind of behavior. We will follow up once you make the call and give them the supporting information. We would expect things to change.

    That is the classy response to such behavior and we will help to see that it is not repeated.

    If this is true, we offer our apologies to the Mountaineers and their fans for young Mathieu and others who may have done this. I am sure the LSU fans are awaiting apologies from the WVU fans and players for instigating or beginning the trash talking at the game as some WVU fans did on the CFT threads prior to the game.

    If the Mountaineers do wish to continue to pursue membership in the SEC, they should communicate with Auburn and Alabama fans about what transpires at the Iron Bowl and prior, Florida and Alabama fans, Ole Miss and LSU fans, Georgia and South Carolina fans and players, etc.

    Let us know how your conversation with the LSU Athletic Department transpires.

  116. Deb says: Sep 25, 2011 5:30 PM

    @paulbrownsrevenge …

    I’d love to know how your perceptions of Tyrann Mathieu translate to “I guess winning with class doesn’t apply to the almighty SEC.” That’s absurd. The SEC is a 12-team conference. You were frustrated by the apparent behavior of one player whose comments you could not hear and turned that into damnation of every player in a 12-team conference.

    That’s just infantile. And classless.

  117. Deb says: Sep 25, 2011 5:37 PM

    @paulbrownsrevenge …

    Every team has its share of showoffs and jerks. Some more than others. But I guarantee players on both teams were talking smack. You have no idea the kinds of things that are said sometimes. I know of situations where what appeared like animosity was later revealed to be good-natured ribbing. And I know of situations where some of the classiest players in the NFL got into fights because something inexcusable was said to them in the trenches. You can’t pass judgment on these kids’ trash-talking when you couldn’t hear the actual words being said–or when you don’t know what was said to them during warm-ups or when the camera wasn’t around.

    southernpatriots was here talking with nothing but good sportsmanship about their win, and you just came in and rained all over them in a very nasty way. WVU isn’t even your team. There was no call for that.

  118. southernpatriots says: Sep 25, 2011 6:37 PM

    Deb: As always you have the words to say (and say them)…thank you from all of us, and we know from all LSU fans and all good WVU fans also (at least the good ones we have come to know). Thank you again. Have a wonderful and blessed week ahead!

  119. Deb says: Sep 25, 2011 7:28 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    Thank you!! They’re leaving me alone on PFT today … which is good because the boys are attacking and it’s nice to be able to answer unhindered. Hope it lasts a while.

  120. southernpatriots says: Sep 25, 2011 10:12 PM

    Deb: Have fun while it lasts!
    We are happy for you!
    Get ‘em!

  121. southernpatriots says: Sep 25, 2011 11:59 PM

    paulbrowns:
    Deb:
    And all:

    Eyewitnesses to the game and warmups say they did not see or hear Tyrann say anything out of the normal. There was normal banter and razzing between the players, which happens all the time in the SEC. Nothing excessive was noted.

    One of the eyewitnesses Michael Bonnette wrote this article:

    “BATON ROUGE – For the second straight week a member of the LSU secondary has been tabbed as the Walter Camp National Defensive Player of the Week as cornerback Tyrann Mathieu was named this week’s recipient of the award following his performance in the win over 16th-ranked West Virginia.

    Mathieu, a sophomore from New Orleans, had six tackles and forced two turnovers in leading the Tigers to their third win over a Top 25 team this year. Both of Mathieu’s forced turnovers came in the second quarter as the Tigers built a 27-7 lead at halftime.

    Mathieu stripped and recovered a fumble following a catch by West Virginia receiver Brad Starks on the Mountaineers second possession of the game. It was the first of four turnovers by West Virginia.

    Just before halftime, Mathieu had another improbable takeaway, batting a pass in the air on a corner blitz and then retrieving the ball for an interception. Mathieu returned the interception 16 yards to the 1-yard line where the Tigers scored two plays later for a 27-7 advantage at halftime.

    Now just 17 games into his LSU career, Mathieu has already climbed to first in school history in career forced fumbles with seven. In 17 games, Mathieu has forced seven fumbles, recovered five fumbles and intercepted three passes.

    This year, Mathieu leads the Tigers in tackles with 30. He’s also recorded 3.0 tackles for loss, four pass breakups, one interception, two forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries.

    Mathieu’s national honor comes a week after cornerback Morris Claiborne was cited by the Walter Camp Foundation for his play in the win over Mississippi State.

    The Walter Camp Football Foundation is in its eighth season of honoring a player of the week on both offense and defense during the regular season.

    2011 LSU Football – Player of the Week Honors”

  122. paulbrownsrevenge says: Sep 26, 2011 12:54 AM

    So both of you know what the players were saying? It’s amazing how you both seem to agree on almost everything, and attack anyone who opposes your or “we” opinions. That seems weak and classless.

    There is no doubt Tyrann is a stud. But for both of you to defend him heckling and trash talking pregame, during game, on sidelines, and when the game is clearly in hand, shows your support for arrogant players.

    Like I said, win with class. Beat the team and act like you know you were going to. Don’t parade around with your arms crossed staring at the camera.

  123. paulbrownsrevenge says: Sep 26, 2011 1:01 AM

    @Deb, I’m not trying to rain on anyones parade. All I’m stating is why all the trash talk when up 20? Tyrann showed his dominance on the field…..and he showed his classlessness on it as well. I dont need to call the LSU athletic department, the whole nation saw him make an ass of himself. Great players don’t need to draw attention to themselves.

    How am I classless for saying I thought they should tone down trash talk? I’m clearly out numbered.

  124. southernpatriots says: Sep 26, 2011 1:14 PM

    jw004wv: Because of your kind posting and genuineness, we searched and found the Mountaineer flagship station in Morgantown1440 WAJR.

    We thoroughly enjoyed Tony Caridi. He was very informative, professional, easy to listen to, and not as partisan as we have come to know many other broadcasters for their “home” team. Once while in Columbia, South Carolina years ago listening to game of the Gamecocks with the Bulldogs, we thought the broadcasters were members of the officiating supervisory crew. They questioned every call, even calling the officials “blind” at one point.

    We telephoned Tony Caridi and spoke with him at length thanking him for his kindness and great heartfelt letter as well as his great play by play of the Mountaineer — Tiger football game. He certainly would give some broadcasters in the SEC something to raise their standard up to when and if WVU comes to the SEC. Thank you again for your posting of Tony’s writings. He now has about 15 new fans, all LSU Tiger fans, who enjoyed his calling of the game.

    Thank you again, jw004wv, for making all this possible by your posting and link. God bless you and best to the Mountaineers!

  125. Deb says: Sep 26, 2011 1:18 PM

    @paulbrownsrevenge …

    Okay, I must be missing something. Was he trash-talking on camera? If he was, then I’m sorry. When it started becoming a blowout, I started playing with the remote. I thought you were assuming he was trash-talking because I didn’t understand how you could know what he was saying since he wasn’t mic’d. I didn’t see the arm-crossing bit.

    I was mad because you were upset with that one guy but slammed the whole SEC. Don’t do that. If he’s an idiot, that’s on him. It doesn’t have anything to do with the SEC as a whole.

  126. Deb says: Sep 26, 2011 1:25 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    They started in on me at PFT again this morning. They wouldn’t let me comment on the post-game Steelers thread. They capped me at three lines so I couldn’t comment logically on the team’s issues. I don’t see how Florio can let a bunch of unpaid interns behave like that on a supposedly professional site he owns when the rights are licensed by NBC. It’s the most unprofessional thing I’ve ever seen. I know I should ignore it and talking back to them just eggs them on, but I can’t help it. The whole thing just blows my mind. Somehow I’ve managed to comment anyway. That was a lot tougher Friday night when they capped me at about 8-10 words.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/26/in-victory-steelers-raise-more-concerns/

  127. southernpatriots says: Sep 26, 2011 1:58 PM

    Deb: It is certainly unprofessional, and appears to be sexist and misogynist behavior. Is there anything we can do to help?

    We had a great conversation with Tony Caridi, the voice of the Mountaineers. It was fun and full of laughs. He especially liked the fact that we have introduced Coach Les Miles to alfalfa in order to ween him off fescue. ha.

  128. Deb says: Sep 26, 2011 2:20 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    Something’s happened over there because they’ve lifted the cap within that thread–which is a first. I posted the reason I believed my posts were being capped and they put it up long enough for it to get some thumbs action and for a couple of people–including dickroy–to reply. Suddenly the reason disappeared and I was able to post normally. I think someone else must have seen it and told the moderators to cut it out. At least I hope that’s what happened.

  129. southernpatriots says: Sep 26, 2011 2:27 PM

    Tony Caridi just telephoned back my brother with a request for some good Cajun cooking and to personally thank the LSU fans for their hospitality when he was here and for their participation and decorum while in Morgantown on Saturday.

    We offered Tony to treat him to the best Cajun food he had ever eaten the next time he was in Baton Rouge. He was thrilled to hear of the many who listened to his broadcast of the game from the bayous of south Louisiana. He laughed when my brother thanked him for his mostly non-partisan and professional broadcast and said, “You need to hear me when I broadcast the game with Pitt!” Apparently, Tony is a little more partisan when he calls that game! ha.

    We believe we have a new friend, who is the voice of the Mountaineers!

  130. southernpatriots says: Sep 26, 2011 2:31 PM

    Deb: Maybe they are somewhat afraid of what they may see if dickroy and others continue to post what they feel about the idiocy of their actions.

    Usually sexists and mysognists and similar want their activities to be hidden. When they are brought out in the open such as dickroy posting, it causes them alarm and they would rather quit than their continued abuse of you to receive attention.

  131. Deb says: Sep 26, 2011 3:27 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    I’d like to hope so, but PFT is a strange place. I have some wonderful fans over there, but as with this place, the misogynists have fans, too :)

  132. southernpatriots says: Sep 26, 2011 4:01 PM

    Deb: How sad! Apparently bigots have fans here also!

  133. tigersgeaux says: Sep 26, 2011 6:13 PM

    Deb: Some LSU fans were viciously assaulted in the Purple Lot at WVU following the game. The driver was so seriously injured he was transferred to Pittsburgh for emergency surgery. The driver’s wife and 2 other passengers were also assaulted but not as seriously. This is thuggery, and another horrible black eye for WV.
    Both Inconsonance and paulbrownsrevenge would attack southernpatriots but support the trash talking aimed at LSU players and Mathieu prior to the game, and now ignore this felony assault. HOW PITIFUL!

  134. paulbrownsrevenge says: Sep 26, 2011 6:46 PM

    I NEVER SUPPORTED ANY TRASH TALK FROM EITHER TEAM!!! I ASKED SOUTHERNPATS WHY TYRANN KEPT RUNNING HIS MOUTH WHEN THEY WERE UP 20 PTS. THATS IT.

    Did you watch the game? the majority of the trash talk was done by LSU!! does it matter who started it? thats little kid stuff.

  135. wveerinnc says: Sep 26, 2011 7:03 PM

    LSU fans stormed CLASSES that were in session on Friday. Came through the MountainLair causing trouble trying to start fights. I do not support assault. Nor do I support lumping the fan base into one group of trouble causing a-holes. Trash talk on the field after you are winning is unsportsmanlike. I understand some trash talk but really?

    And why did they take people to Pittsburgh when Ruby Memorial was right there and a top trauma hospital? Never heard HealthNet leave Ruby after the game and I was a hundred yards from it in the RV.

    LSU fans were out for 48 hours before this incident occurred. Partied with them on High St. and no fights happened on Friday night. Only fight I saw was between two WVU fans who ended up leaving together after Campus Police told them to get off school property.

    Unsportsmanlike conduct is classless. Assault is classless. Pretty sure the SEC has some things they wouldn’t be proud of and some fans they aren’t proud off. Quit pointing fingers.

  136. tigersgeaux says: Sep 26, 2011 7:32 PM

    The report was from your local news and the Morgantown Police. Don’t know why you don’t know about it or hear about it. Telephone your local news and also the Morgantown Police if you need further information or have any information help the Police catch the thugs.

    Trash talk is common in the SEC. Perhaps WVU fans need to attend a game between Alabama and Auburn, Alabama and Tennesse, South Carolina and Georgia, LSU and Ole Miss, and other games throughout the SEC before they make a formal application to the SEC. It would be wise to know what is acceptable behavior in the games and by the fans and what is not.

    If this young player went overboard as may well be the case, the coaches are viewing the game film and will see it and will make that matter clear to the young player. There have been inquiries from media to the coaches so we know they are looking into the tapes of the game and talking with the player.

    Meanwhile WVU fans and citizens, please help your Morgantown Police department find the thugs who perpetrated this assault.

  137. wveerinnc says: Sep 26, 2011 8:03 PM

    GeauxTigers:

    Maybe you should read my entire post before you attack what I said. Because HealthNet is a HELICOPTER SERVICE FROM THE HOSPITAL. I was less than 200 yards from the helipad. I asked why they took the LSU attack victims to Pitt when Ruby Memorial (which the Purple lot backs up to) is a top rated trauma hospital.

    WVU has its own rivalry with Pitt that is probably a lot worse than any SEC game. Florida-Georgia is probably the best SEC rivalry.

    I even said I don’t support assault. Trash talk is a specialty of mine, but when the winning team is up 20 pts and still trash talking, then it’s a little classless. Especially if it’s above normal trash talk.

    The ‘fans’ who assaulted the LSU fans probably don’t live in Morgantown. The purple lot isn’t a donor lot. The donor lots were very classy and we partied with the LSU fans, like I said we did on Friday night in my above post. But you over looked that. Selective reading much? I simply said WVU students and fans were able to party together for 48 hrs before something bad happened by mindless fools.

    Read a post fully before acting like I was saying it was ‘ok’ that a pregnant woman was assaulted while her husband was badly beaten. When you want to make a good argument, take in the entire post of the other person.

  138. wveerinnc says: Sep 26, 2011 8:05 PM

    And I realize now your handle is tigersgeaux not the opposite. My PC locked up and I tried to retype my post as quickly as possible.

    See, that’s what adults do. They apologize when they are incorrect.

  139. Deb says: Sep 26, 2011 9:08 PM

    @wveerinnc …

    What the choice of hospital have to do with the incident? tigersgeaux read about it in your local news and says the report was made by Morgantown police. Are you suggesting it’s a hoax because the Pitt hospital is involved and Pitt is rival of WVU? That’s kind of a stretch, isn’t it?

    As I said to paulbrownsrevenge, you can’t blame everyone because one idiot did something stupid. But you can’t pretend it didn’t happen if it did. Every school has its share of troublemakers. That’s not the fault of the school, the town, the state, or the conference.

  140. tigersgeaux says: Sep 26, 2011 9:11 PM

    The reports are from the Morgantown Police and from the Morgantown local news. If the reports are wrong, which we doubt, then communicate with them. I would have no idea why this unfortunate victim was transferred to Pitt. The Morgantown local news may know or the Morgantown Police may know. Communicate with them.

    This incident does not bide well for WVU, no more than it would have if Mountaineer fans would have been beaten last year when they came to Baton Rouge. According to Tony Caridi, “the voice of the Mountaineers”, he and his team, as well as all Mountaineer fans last year were treated extremely well, the best food and hospitality they had ever received. He said it was the best experience he had in 30 years of travel to all the major schools in the U.S. One of the men of southernpatriots spoke with Tony today and Tony again thanked he and all LSU fans and looks forward to returning to Baton Rouge again. One of the southernpatriots ladies, I think, posted some detail of the conversation with Tony on a related thread.

    The experience of Mountaineer fans last year at LSU — Baton Rouge apparently was not reciprocated this year when these fans of LSU were leaving the stadium after the game. No matter how you try to shade it, cover it, massage it, or justify it, that is the case.

    If this incident had not occured we know there would have been a huge increase in LSU fans traveling to Morgantown the next time LSU plays there. Now we are sure there will be a huge decrease. Tony Caridi appealed for the best behavior of Mountaineer fans as the LSU fans were last year when we hosted. We are sorry at least one group did not harken to Tony’s plea. Other incidents are filtering in to us. We hope none were as violent and brutal as this one.

  141. wveerinnc says: Sep 26, 2011 9:17 PM

    Deb: Not my local, I don’t live in Morgantown or WV anymore. I was asking other WVU fans. It just doesn’t make sense to me. I wasn’t suggesting anything. Don’t make assumptions. I was simply pointing out that the said poster didn’t read my entire post. Now you are attacking me when I’ve stated multiple times “I DO NOT SUPPORT ASSAULT.”

    By saying ‘fans’ I’m saying they aren’t really fans. They are bad seeds. I gave proof that both schools got along fine while drinking so alcohol can’t be to blame either. I’m not pretending anything didn’t happen. Just like I’ve told family and friends, and I’ll say it here; LSU deserved to win the game. Our special teams were horrible and gave away plays and even a few touchdowns. WVU didn’t deserve to win the game.

    Again, don’t make assumptions just because you don’t like what I’ve said in previous posts. When someone says they don’t support assault, then they probably aren’t in to ignoring it when it happens.

  142. wveerinnc says: Sep 26, 2011 9:40 PM

    I’m so tired of repeating myself. You all are so selective when reading and so quick to jump to an assumption. Asking a question doesn’t mean a person is trying to ‘pretend’ an incident didn’t occur, just asking a simple question. Grow up and stop being snarky a-holes. I’m done with this stupid thread full of close-minded bullies.

  143. southernpatriots says: Sep 27, 2011 6:35 AM

    WAFB in Baton Rouge is reporting: “According to family members, Marcus Mason was pulled out of the car and beaten. He suffered severe head injuries, including a crushed eye socket and a broken nose.”

    Reports from family members of the Mason family report additional surgeries are planned on him. His head injuries are of grave concern to all.

    Our prayers are with Mason, his family and friends who are there and who are flying to Pittsburgh today. Our prayers are with the doctor, surgeons, and all the medical team that are working to restore Mason to health again.

    Through family and friends we will be reaching out to help Marcus and his family at this time. His family members and friends (as we ourselves) want to thank all for their support and well wishes and prayers during this time.

    Anyone with questions or information are requested to communicate with the Morgantown Police Department at (304) 284-7522.

  144. southernpatriots says: Sep 27, 2011 8:15 AM

    Since our last posting, Mason’s family members have communicated with our friends:

    Swelling was so bad on Marcus that needed emergency surgeries could not be done. Surgeons are hoping that swelling will be reduced later today so that at least some surgery can be done. His eye socket must be replaced with a plastic one. His nose requires surgery.

    Reports are that Hannah, Marcus’ wife pregnant 20 – 22 weeks (not 20 months as mistakenly typoed and at least one CFT blogger ridicules Hannah as being an elephant) was at the wheel, while all traffic was completely stopped as exiting the parking lot. It was bumper to bumper traffic exiting the stadium.

    A rock came through the window hitting Hannah. Marcus saw the rock and looked around seeing a group of people nearby. He asked them who threw the rock. They quickly attacked the car, trying to drag out the passengers in the back seat first, not being successful they went after Marcus. Marcus’ friends and family say it had to be a gang because Marcus is not someone that one person would want to attack.

    The assault/beating on Marcus was violent and Hannah rushed to assist Marcus and was attacked. She screamed for the attackers not to kill her husband, which they appeared to be trying to do. Bumper to bumper traffic and no one responded to come to his aid. Hannah then screamed at the attackers and toward those in vehicles bumper to bumper that she was pregnant, please help. Finally, some WVU fans exiting the stadium came to their assistance.

    Marcus and Hannah have family in Louisiana, and Natchez, MS and have recently moved to Pittsburg, PA which could be the reason for transferring to University of Pittsburgh Medical Center.

    Hannah Mason’s unborn child in her womb appears to be okay. She is being monitored closely. Her injuries were not major as were her husband’s.

    Reports are that to this point the many WVU fans in cars nearby have not come forward to identify or describe the attackers to the police. Those who finally came to aid Marcus and Hannah have not yet described the attackers to the police. May those those saw this assault have courage and honesty and please come forth and tell the police what you saw.

    Local Morgantown media are broadcasting the plea of the Morgantown Police for those with any information to please contact them.

    “No suspects have been identified”, Morgantown Police Lt. Harold Sperringer said.

    “We’re asking for help if anybody saw it, please call us,” he said.

    Anyone with information is asked to call the Morgantown Police Department at 304-284-7454 or 304-284-7522.

  145. mhalt99 says: Sep 27, 2011 10:16 AM

    Deb:

    Maybe you hear that because Alabama is a bunch of hick white supremacists that pump gas and are still proud that at one point they owned slaves?

    Just as WVU fans need to turn in the fans who perpetuated the beatings, you need to stomp out racism amongst your people. How about taking a stand against racism and hatred. Instead of meaningless apologies you ban the flying of the confederate flag. Pretty funny that the this is West F’ing Virginia flag was so offensive to you people…maybe if the shirt had something racist to it you would have like it more. How about you also take a stand and pressure your states to take out references to the rebel flag in the current state flags? Until you take those steps, the rest of the world and the rest of the country will look at you from the My Cousin Vinny/Deliverance Lense.

    The greatest thing Alabama had going for it was NASA….which built there because that is where the Nazis (von Braun) wanted to setup shop. Coincidence? Kinda makes you think…well maybe not, you are from Alabama.

  146. Deb says: Sep 27, 2011 11:27 AM

    @wveerinnc …

    Honey, I didn’t attack you. I asked you to clarify the point you were trying to make by questioning which hospital was used. You were the one who brought up a football rivalry in relation to the hospital–that would make people wonder where you were going with that thought. Then I went on to say your school, town, state, and conference aren’t responsible for these few lunatics … which in case you missed it, was a defense of West Virginia.

  147. Deb says: Sep 27, 2011 11:31 AM

    mhalt99 …

    I’ve been back through the entire thread and have no idea what prompted your breakdown or why it was addressed to me. I’ve repeatedly said it’s unfair to blame the whole of WVU and its fanbase for the bad behavior of a few idiots, and all schools have a few idiots. latrobe21 suggested on another thread that Inconsonance seek psychiatric help. Maybe you could get a two-for-one rate.

  148. mhalt99 says: Sep 27, 2011 11:50 AM

    Deb,

    You keep asking why the south is continually stereotyped and I replied with an answer. There are many good things about the South, but just as West Virginia as a state and as a university need to do a better job of self policing their fans, the South in general needs to do a better job of understanding history. If you understand history from a less revisionist perspective you would understand just how horrible a place it was because of its participation in the “peculiar institution.”

    I, as I would imagine most of the rest of the country understands that it is hard to hold you currently responsible for the actions of your ancestors. What we can hold the south accountable for is the fact that they really are not apologetic for the past, in fact the majority of the people seem to be proud of it. From David Duke, to the South Carolina rebel flag controversy, to civil war reenactments, to the constant waving of the rebel flag it is actually the south as a whole that will not let the rest of the world see it in any other light.

    From the sales of anti depressants alone I am sure that many of us could benefit from some form of therapy. Thank you for the insightful suggestion.

    I would of course hope that while mulling this over you would consider a simple history lesson. Please avoid the internet and anything written before the 1900’s. It may be best to read conflicting views – maybe one from a professor from and SEC school and another from someone north (north east) of the mason dixon.

  149. Deb says: Sep 27, 2011 12:50 PM

    @mhalt99 …

    I’m well-versed in American history and the history of the South, which is how I know the “peculiar institution” (do you get your terminology from Gone With the Wind?) was abolished more than a century and a half ago. And are you really, really stupid enough to think Southerners in 2011 refer to slavery as “the peculiar institution.” ROFL … omigosh, is your history source some goofball Lifetime movie?

    No, I’m not apologizing for behavior that happened long before I was born. I don’t believe in the sins of the father and take responsibility only for what I’ve done in this life. Have you wandered onto an Indian Reservation lately to apologize for the Trail of Tears?

    I’m a lifelong civil rights advocate, which may be why I know that Southern schools had finished integrating while Boston schools were still segregated and caucasians in Northern cities were turning over schoolbuses rather than share classrooms with minorities. Before lecturing me on race, baby, try taking the beam out of your own eye.

    Racism is a national disgrace. During the 1920s, Midwestern cities like Chicago had higher Klan memberships than the South. As I recall, South Central is in Los Angeles, and the most vicious race riots of modern times have occurred there. The governor of Arizona is passing draconian laws giving local cops police-state powers to harass Latinos. And in New York … well, cops pump what? 40, 50 bullets into unarmed African immigrants just for the heck of it?

    No, I don’t believe the Confederate flag should be incorporated into South Carolina’s state flag. I didn’t think Nazis should march in Skokie, Illinois, either, but defending the speech of the people you abhor is what the First Amendment is about.

    As for those reenactors, they are history buffs who operate throughout the United States reenacting a variety of military actions, not limited to the Civil War. They’re history buffs. It’s not a Confederate thing. Again … you might try looking up this stuff instead of pulling it out of your backside.

    I complained about bigots who stereotype whole regions of people based on the actions of a few, or based on inaccurate information or things that occurred generations ago. All you’ve done is jump up and shout, “Well here I am!!”

    Darlin’, revisionists are the people who like to pat themselves on the back and pretend racism is a uniquely Southern thing and they’re above all that. Congratulations. If you set out to demonstrate what a small-minded, ignorant idiot you are, you couldn’t have done a better job.

  150. mhalt99 says: Sep 27, 2011 4:59 PM

    Deb:

    As for Gone With the Wind….um couldn’t care less. Peculiar Institution is used outside of movies. I have heard stereotypes about Southerners using the tv as a baby sitter……

    Civil War Reenactors: the world has just accepted that you are on the short bus down south and don’t get it. Look what happened in Ohio with the so called WWII reenactors….they weren’t racist…just anti semetic…duh?

    Funny that you still haven’t mentioned segregation.

    Of course you aren’t going to apologize…that is the whole point in what I am saying. The fact that you are not ashamed of the past shows your character and proves my point: You will never as a people move beyond My Cousin Vinny and Deliverance. It is how the world will see you until you do.

    Wow, you may not want to include your college as you are making it look pretty bad on this one. Do you realize you just compared the free speech of Neo-Nazis to the free speech of the State of South Carolina? Was that a mental slip or do you believe that South Carolina politicians are made up of Klan members? Hmmmmm. Guess wikipedia can give you a bunch of quick facts but it is up to you to put them together.

    To your attempted point of Boston. Again you are suffering from wikipedia syndrome. In Boston it was not the same situation as the South. Boston has and is dominated by Irish Americans. Irish Americans have suffered through a similar plight as African Americans. There was actually a good book put out a few years back “How the Irish Became White” – again there isn’t a movie so you haven’t heard of it yet. The desegregating of schools in Boston therefore were much more complicated. Instead of mixing apples and oranges you were mixing apples, oranges, grapes, strawberries etc….

    As for Native Americans. Yes I have actually talked to many Indians (proper to interchange) about it. I have been to a pow wow – no not on a casino. Try again.

    Again I feel like I am arguing with a toddler. I just saw this article and thought of you .

    “Rebel flag still flying in black SC neighborhood” look it up – front page on Yahoo. This is why the world sees you through this lens. Keep sitting by why jacked up trucks have rebel decals and git er done bumper stickers. Hmmm…why doesn’t ayone want to move to Alabama?

  151. Deb says: Sep 27, 2011 9:22 PM

    mhalt99 …

    I discussed segregation. Apparently you didn’t bother to read my post. And my degree is from the University of Missouri, as I’ve posted many, many times. I don’t worry about my posts reflecting poorly on my education. That they’re over your head is something of a relief.

    You are a blithering idiot ranting bigoted, racist nonsense with nothing to back it up. American Indian is just as appropriate as Native American. Sorry to interfere with your kindergartenlike grasp on political correctness. No one wants to move to Alabama? And you have demographic statistics to back up that assertion? You might want to recheck the data on shifting populations.

    Yes, as I acknowledged, we all know rebel flags are still flying. I addressed that. I’m flattered you think as a simple Florida resident I am empowered to change the state flag of South Carolina. If that were true, I would have changed it. Alas, I do not have that power. Nor do I have the illusions of self-importance you have.

    No, I don’t apologize for behavior I didn’t engage in and don’t condone. Why would I? Racism is an embarrassment to America, not just to the South. Slavery was a national disgrace, not just a Southern disgrace. It’s also disgraceful that a fool in 2011 is coming onto a football blog and railing at a woman he doesn’t know that she should apologize for a national disgrace that occurred in their country more than a century before either of them was born. You’re trying to exploit other peoples’ historic tragedies to justify your own regional bigotry. What a small, petty person you are.

    Actually, I’ve had much more intelligent discussions with toddlers. Go away, little boy. You’ve wasted enough of my time. This conversation is over.

  152. southernpatriots says: Sep 28, 2011 7:38 AM

    We have posted this on other threads but will post here also because of the importance of the post…

    Marcus Mason and his pregnant wife Hannah, along with two friends were LSU fans leaving the parking lot from the WVU and LSU game. They were stopped in bumper to bumper traffic on the road when thugs threw a rock through the open window hitting Hannah. Within the next few moments, the thugs beat Marcus unconscious and near death and Hannah and their friends were injured. The thugs so far have gotten away, though numerous people in the motionless cars in traffic saw at least some of what transpired. Several came to help when Hannah screamed that she was pregnant.

    Tuesday, Marcus was released from the hospital. He has much healing to do and family members related that further surgeries will be needed, but he is home tonight. The swelling that so concerned the surgeons finally went down so they could begin the surgeries. According to family members, Marcus will need additional surgeries and close monitoring as the process of healing and restoration continues. The family has asked for your prayers.

    Morgantown Police remain in need of the eyewitnesses who were stuck in unmoving traffic, as were the Masons, as well as those who came forward to assist the Masons, or anyone with any information to telephone the Morgantown Police at 304-284-7454 or 304-284-7522.

  153. southernpatriots says: Sep 28, 2011 11:32 AM

    UPDATE:

    The Morgantown Police just released this information:

    The alleged assailants are described as white men driving a light-colored sport utility vehicle.

    Anyone with any information is urged to contact the Morgantown Police Department at
    304-284-7454 or 304-284-7522.

  154. dutchman1989 says: Oct 2, 2011 12:47 PM

    So many incredibly ignorant comments here, beginning with NBC’s stereotypical photo of a couch burning! I am from one of the wealthiest states in the country (New Jersey) and worked in one of the poorest (West Virginia.) I am also a WVU grad. I have a good perspective to comment. As a public research land-grant university WVU is similar to Nebraska in many ways, academically and in sports. WVU’s School of Journalism, where I studied, is the 6th oldest in the country and fully accredited by the ACEJ. Woodburn Circle (downtown campus) is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. The Mountainlair (student center) is a great place and the PRT computerized cars on elevated guideways to connect the campuses is completely unique, costing over $126 million 30 years ago. The campus is nestled in lovely hillsides and forests. As an academic refuge from the population density and toxic waste sites of NJ (leads the EPA superfund list) my years at West Virginia University are among my fondest memories. Those of you who trash the university and the state, 3/4 of which is forest, simply put your ignorance on display. The state has a proud coal tradition, yet WVU has produced 25 Rhodes Scholars. It is a great mix of old and new. One other thing, the people of the state aren’t “hillbillies,” but some of the nicest people I’ve met. I lived in Europe over 10 years and I can say West Virginians are the Dutch of America in their hospitality. Visit the state and the school for yourself instead of generalizing without knowing the facts.

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