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Big East reportedly targeting Boise State

Chris Petersen

In an interview with the Denver Post, Air Force athletic director Hans Mueh acknowledged that “our interest in the Big East is high” and that a decision on a move from the Mountain West could come by the end the end of October.

Reportedly, the Falcons aren’t the only MWC member the Big East has their sights set on.

Both the Boston Globe and Newark Star-Ledger are reporting that the Big East is considering the pursuit of Boise State as a football-only member.  It’s unclear from either report whether any discussions, preliminary or otherwise, have taken place with the school.

Boise State is in its first season in the MWC after announcing it was leaving the WAC last year.  The addition of the Broncos football program would be a significant boost to the Big East’s hopes of maintaining an automatic BcS bid beyond 2013.

In addition to Boise State, the Globe reports that the Big East is considering adding Air Force and Navy as football-only members and Temple and UCF as members in all sports, as well as pushing Villanova to make the move from Div. 1-AA to 1-A.  If all of that were to come to fruition — and neither West Virginia nor Louisville leaves as has previously been rumored — it would give the Big East 12 football members, thus triggering the ability to stage a championship game.

Boise State has also been rumored to possibly be of interest to the Big 12, so there could be some competition for the Broncos’ football services.

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62 Responses to “Big East reportedly targeting Boise State”
  1. surly1n1nd1anapol1s says: Oct 9, 2011 7:33 PM

    This conference alignment is getting ridiculous.

  2. robf2010 says: Oct 9, 2011 7:45 PM

    That’s a nice, natural fit. 3000 miles from their nearest rival.

  3. Barnes says: Oct 9, 2011 8:15 PM

    WT_ !!!

  4. gatorays says: Oct 9, 2011 8:42 PM

    gotta agree with rob….3000 miles??? Big 12 makes more sense. also they can do better than villanova…for god sakes they have an auto bid…

  5. thefiesty1 says: Oct 9, 2011 8:44 PM

    OU and Texas don’t really want to play Boise EVERY year and their TV market doesn’t add much, so I don’t think they’ll end up in the BIG 12. But, I’d Ike to see it happen. That might even be a problem for TCU joining as well. Boise in the BIG East is ridiculous.

    Houston, BYU and maybe talk Iowa away from the B1G and get back to 12 and back to a conference championship game (more $$$ to share). Keep it regional and rename it the Great Midwest Conference.

  6. mdnittlion says: Oct 9, 2011 9:22 PM

    It must be hard trying to get respect in the college football world?

  7. linedrivehit says: Oct 9, 2011 9:32 PM

    Boy that Oklahoma whopped Texas, Alabama whooped back to back ranked opponents, and LSU has already beaten 3 ranked opponents on the road.

    Cant wait for that Alabama – LSU game! I also cant wait for when Boise St plays… oh wait, never mind; they dont play anybody. Half the SEC would go undefeated with their schedule.

  8. pastabelly says: Oct 9, 2011 9:51 PM

    The Big East is not a conference. It is an affiliation of schools. That’s why the original football schools all either got out or want out.

  9. cosanostra71 says: Oct 9, 2011 10:13 PM

    I would have taken Boise over either of the POS schools the PAC-12 just added. I enjoy watching the Broncos play, they are always a legit team. They don’t get enough respect for what they’ve been able to do, especially under Chris Peterson. They’ve been the most consistently elite program the last 3 years. I thought they were more deserving than Utah to join the PAC-12. I’m not a big fan of all this conference alignment, but if it has to happen, I hope that Boise gets into a BCS conference through it.

  10. burntorangehorn says: Oct 9, 2011 10:35 PM

    cosanostra, what would Boise State have added that Utah doesn’t? They’re a good football team, but really haven’t been any better than Utah. Utah also adds a heck of a lot more in terms of economics (Salt Lake City and greater Utah), fanbase, academics, etc. I don’t think Boise State is a glorified juco, which some people seem to think, but geography is really the only area where Boise State isn’t a good fit for the Big East.

    Just rename it the Big Misnomer Conference.

  11. Deb says: Oct 9, 2011 11:38 PM

    @cosanostra71 …

    Okay, so Boise State isn’t a glorified JUCO. But how in the heck can you call them a consistently “elite” team when all they play are glorified JUCOs??? And they play on the abandoned set from Finding Nemo. I can’t take that seriously. It’s a gimmick. Real football teams don’t need gimmicks–football fields with matching jerseys–to win games. Come on.

    I’m not taking them seriously until they get into a serious conference–not the Big East. And I’m told they’re not a fit for the Big 12 because the school has nothing to offer but the football team and its stupid blue field. Well, that about sums it up.

    Fourth in some polls, my foot. Ppffffftttttt!!!!!

  12. Deb says: Oct 9, 2011 11:42 PM

    linedrivehit says:

    Boy that Oklahoma whopped Texas, Alabama whooped back to back ranked opponents, and LSU has already beaten 3 ranked opponents on the road.

    Cant wait for that Alabama – LSU game! I also cant wait for when Boise St plays… oh wait, never mind; they dont play anybody. Half the SEC would go undefeated with their schedule.
    ————————————————
    All the thumbs down to this post tell me:

    1. I can expect a lot of thumbs down on my power :)

    2. The truth hurts.

  13. Deb says: Oct 9, 2011 11:42 PM

    ROFL … that was supposed to be “my posts” not “my power.” God only knows what kind of Freudian slip that was.

  14. rashardmendenballs says: Oct 9, 2011 11:54 PM

    Didn’t Boise St go into some SEC schools house earlier this year and rip them to pieces on national tv?

  15. Deb says: Oct 10, 2011 12:04 AM

    @rashardmendenballs …

    They did. We’re sending Georgia to the Big East. And their little dog, too.

  16. cosanostra71 says: Oct 10, 2011 12:21 AM

    Deb, people say that every year. Boise can’t compete. Georgia is going to beat them. TCU is going to beat them. Virginia Tech is going to beat them. The point of football is to win games, and in the last three years, every time Boise has stepped out onto the gridiron, save once, they’ve won.

    Utah has added pretty much nothing to the PAC-12 except for another team to warm up on. Unlike Boise, they have not been consistently elite. They had a few elite years, but just as many poor ones.

  17. Deb says: Oct 10, 2011 12:36 AM

    @cosanostra71 …

    Well … it was Georgia, TCU, and Virginia Tech, not LSU, Alabama, and Oklahoma. So let’s keep it in perspective. All SEC teams are not created equal.

    I’m not saying Boise isn’t a good team. They are, and they deserve a chance to be taken seriously. That’s why they need to get into a major conference. I’d hate to see them go into the Big East. First, it’s a farce because it’s the Big East and they’re in Idaho. Second, that conference is imploding and desperate. Boise just entered the MWC and probably shouldn’t go anywhere right now. But I’d like to see them in a stable Big 12. It’s a good fit geographically. And it would immediately elevate their profile.

    Unfortunately, I’ve been told Boise State isn’t competitive in any sport other than football–nor does it offer a lucrative television market–so it doesn’t make an attractive target for the Big 12. Still, the Broncos need to be where they’ll compete several times a year with major schools rather than in one prominent game a season followed by a series of insignificant opponents.

    As for the blue field, that’s just my personal taste. I can only stand to look at it for a few seconds and would never want Bama to schedule a home game there. Don’t know if anyone else feels that way, but I’d think the thought of playing on that ugly surface would hurt Boise’s chances of booking home games against big-name teams.

    Boise would benefit most from a playoff tournament because no one could deny a team that ran the table earned its championship.

  18. TxGrown says: Oct 10, 2011 12:48 AM

    @Deb…
    Well … it was Georgia, TCU, and Virginia Tech, not LSU, Alabama, and Oklahoma.
    ——————————————————————————————–
    Oklahoma….yes. Remember they came onto the national stage by beating them in a BCS bowl no less.
    And that horrid blue field….geeeez!

  19. Deb says: Oct 10, 2011 12:52 AM

    @TxGrown …

    You know what I meant :P

  20. frank booth says: Oct 10, 2011 1:37 AM

    cosanostra71 says:
    Oct 10, 2011 12:21 AM
    Deb, people say that every year. Boise can’t compete. Georgia is going to beat them. TCU is going to beat them. Virginia Tech is going to beat them. The point of football is to win games, and in the last three years, every time Boise has stepped out onto the gridiron, save once, they’ve won.

    Utah has added pretty much nothing to the PAC-12 except for another team to warm up on. Unlike Boise, they have not been consistently elite. They had a few elite years, but just as many poor ones.
    ===================================
    Every year, Boise State plays 1, maybe 2, good teams. This year, it was 19th ranked Georgia. They always play the tougher team at the beginning of the season, when they really aren’t hitting on all cylinders (they beat Va Tech last year, who then promptly lost to James Madison the following week).

    They don’t go through the grueling schedules that a lot of other teams go through, and pretty much go through their seasons unscathed. They are hardly an elite team. It doesn’t take a Rhodes Scholar to see that their schedule, for the most part, is a joke.

    Sure, they beat Va Tech last year, and then lost their only other challenge, to Nevada, whose marquee win was over Eastern Washington, and otherwise played a laughable schedule. Until Boise State plays some reasonably consistent competition, they deserve the MAACO Bowl or whatever low-level bowl game that they get.

  21. Fan On Fire_Maurice Barksdale says: Oct 10, 2011 3:06 AM

    Air Force and Boise State are making a mistake if they go to the Big East. Once the ACC, SEC, and Big 10 continue their expansion by raiding what’s left of the Big East, there will be no conference.

    This is nothing more than an act of desperation by a dying conference to try and stay alive. Air Force and Boise State shouldn’t let the Big East take them down with them. Stay clear.

  22. digit960 says: Oct 10, 2011 3:14 AM

    The same Boise State team that has 9 month’s to prepare for their ONLY real game of the season?

  23. boisestatewhodat says: Oct 10, 2011 10:26 AM

    Dude c’mon…that argument is just plain stupid. UGA had the same amount of time to prepare for BSU as BSU did for UGA. Boise State just crushed Fresno State by 50 points…the same Fresno State that took Ole Miss to overtime one week ago. Boise State crushed Toledo, the same team that had taken Ohio State to the wire a week prior. Boise State’s first team is as good as any in the nation. Alabama and LSU have yet to face a team as talented as Boise State this year. Boise State would run through most of an SEC schedule with ease. Boise State would crush Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Miss State, South Carolina and do it week in and week out. They’d split LSU, Florida, Bama, Arkansas and Auburn and win half…its the same old boise state hate every year and although I don’t really care…you people are starting to look really silly pitching the ‘boise state can’t play’ bit…get over it and accept the fact that BSU isn’t going away.

  24. Brian Basher says: Oct 10, 2011 10:54 AM

    The Big East going after Boise State is not only ridiculous, but just plain desperate. I can see why other schools are wanting out as fast as possible. Hell while they’re at it why not invite University of Hawaii too

  25. frank booth says: Oct 10, 2011 11:20 AM

    boisestatewhodat says:

    …Boise State would run through most of an SEC schedule with ease. Boise State would crush Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Miss State, South Carolina and do it week in and week out. They’d split LSU, Florida, Bama, Arkansas and Auburn and win half…

    ===================================
    Great. Let them prove it then. All they’ve proven is that they can dominate an easy schedule and then win their tough game. They couldn’t even beat Nevada last year after playing a bunch patsies besides Virginia Tech. Running up the score on inferior opponents proves nothing, except that you can beat up inferior opponents.

  26. boisestatewhodat says: Oct 10, 2011 11:27 AM

    I know you think so Frank…okay, its your opinion. But we all know that Boise State has outgrown their conference and their competition…they don’t just squeak past their competition, the blow em away just like an LSU or Bama would. If you wanna hang your hat on one of the 2 losses Boise State has suffered over the past 6 seasons, so be it…you’ll just look silly doing it. They post the highest winning percentage of any team in NCAA play over the past 11 seasons and their QB is about to become the most winning QB in NCAA history. If that really means nothing to you, I won’t waste my time arguing.

  27. frank booth says: Oct 10, 2011 11:36 AM

    They are clearly a good team, but it’s hard to tell how good until they get into a better conference, have to game plan against tougher competition week-in-and-week-out, and work around injuries and bumps and bruises from tougher teams.

    They may be the best team in the country right now; they may also be the 25th best team in the country right now as well. It’s just impossible to gauge them based upon the overall competition that they play.

  28. gregggrammarrosenthal says: Oct 10, 2011 11:44 AM

    For those who have or plan on referring to VT’s loss to James Madison…

    You either did not watch the game, or have never played football.

    That was the ultimate trap game: the weather eliminated the pass game, VT played five days prior, they turned the ball over 3 times.

    Sometimes big teams lose close games to underdogs. (See: 2007 Alabama. Ranked #21 I believe and loses to a good conference opponent, then drops a laugher to Louisiana-Monroe the next week. And I would pick JMU over ULM any day of the week.)

  29. phelbin says: Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM

    The geography argument is meaningless to schools on the west coast. It’s not like the eastern half of the country where population is more condensed and cities are closer together. Boise State spent years in the WAC playing against Hawaii, Louisiana Tech, and Fresno State. And even before expansion the Pac10 schools were just as spread out. This is part of living out west. So, I guarantee you geography doesn’t figure into the decision nearly as much as you guys think it should.

  30. boisestatewhodat says: Oct 10, 2011 11:49 AM

    Fair enough and I agree. I’ll say this though, their competition is more deceiving that it looks. They played UGA and won decisively, Fresno State took Ole Miss and Nebraska to the wire, Toledo took Ohio State to the wire, Air Force and TCU are solid programs…every conference (including the SEC) has its goats. But yes, its time for an AQ conference to invite them and its time for BSU to step up and accept the invitation but not to the Big East.

  31. Deb says: Oct 10, 2011 12:13 PM

    @frank booth …

    Honey!! Where have you been?? The trailer has been lonely, and I haven’t bowled in ages ;)

    Wonderful comments on Boise State. Of course, you’re preaching to the choir with everyone but the Boise State fans. They can’t understand that playing JUCOs and winning by 50–with a mid/low-level SEC team thrown in–is not the same as playing an SEC schedule. I’m really not sure why they can’t understand this unless they just don’t want to understand it.

  32. boisestatewhodat says: Oct 10, 2011 12:19 PM

    Deb, who would win in your opinion? BSU vs Vanderbilt, BSU vs Ole Miss, BSU vs UGA, BSU vs Kentucky, BSU vs Miss State, BSU vs Tennessee, BSU vs South Carolina…in that order with splits between home and away. The argument of the big, bad SEC schedule is blown way out of proportion. Why can’t you understand that the SECs reputation is hung on 4, maybe 5 teams…all the rest are no better than any other team from any other conference.

  33. Deb says: Oct 10, 2011 12:27 PM

    @phelbin …

    Geography aside, what do you think Boise State would gain from going into the Big East considering that conference’s current state of flux?

    @boisestatewhodat …

    I don’t think the argument is that Georgia had any less prep time than Boise. The argument is that Georgia was obviously overrated–as was Virginia Tech. And no one knew this because these matchups occurred early in the season.

    At the time Bama played them, Florida was undefeated and looked fierce. LSU clobbered a tough Oregon team in difficult circumstances on opening night. They had to make a tough trip to West Virginia. We had to make a tough trip to Penn State. We have huge rivalry games coming up with Tennessee and Auburn, and no matter how they’re playing otherwise, both have a history of stepping up to spoil our season. Of course, Alabama and LSU also have to face off. And no matter what else the winner of that game accomplishes, no SEC team can go to the national championship without getting past the SEC championship where anything can happen.

    You just can’t compare Boise State’s schedule to that kind of grueling run. It’s ridiculous to even try.

  34. boisestatewhodat says: Oct 10, 2011 12:34 PM

    I don’t compare it Deb but your argument is silly at best. Boise State would be undefeated just like LSU with the same schedule so far. If UGA was over rated…so was Oregon. UGA is 4-2 now and 2nd in the East. Tennessee is not good, Florida is not good and Auburn is not good…they’re ranked because of the love affair the BCS has with them. I’m surprised Florida isn’t still in the top 20!

  35. Deb says: Oct 10, 2011 12:34 PM

    @boisestatewhodat …

    If you’re talking about one-off games, I’d never bet against Spurrier. If you’d played Mississippi State last year, I’d have taken the Bulldogs. Not sure what’s happened to them this year. Obviously, Boise beat Georgia and would probably take Kentucky and Ole Miss. Vandy’s defense suddenly makes them interesting. And Tennessee is up for grabs.

    But here’s the thing, honey. When you’re in the SEC, you don’t get to pick just one mediocre team to play–the way Boise does now. You have to play the good ones with the bad ones and then you have to play the champion of the other division. On top of that, these teams have fierce internal rivalries and a team that hasn’t won anything else has been known to dig deep just to act as spoiler for a highly ranked hated rival. Those are the kinds of challenges you miss when you play one ranked team and a bunch of JUCOs each season. And you can slice it any way you want, but you’re still talking about playing ONE minor SEC team, while we’re talking about playing the whole bloody conference.

  36. Deb says: Oct 10, 2011 12:37 PM

    boisestatewhodat …

    My argument is silly because you don’t like discussing the real seasons our teams are playing vs. the fantasy seasons you keep discussing. Oh, you’d be undefeated playing LSU’s schedule. Well, as long as you’re playing the JUCO schedule, we’ll never know … now will we? :roll:

  37. boisestatewhodat says: Oct 10, 2011 12:43 PM

    You’re an SEC homer, I get it…fact is, 70% of the SEC is mediocre at best. Boise State will play the loser of LSU vs Alabama in the Sugar Bowl…we’ll see then but of course, when Boise State wins it’ll be because they had so much time to prepare or…the opponent was beaten up so bad from their NFL like schedule or Boise State had too many trick plays or maybe….BSU is really just that good.

  38. gregggrammarrosenthal says: Oct 10, 2011 1:03 PM

    @Deb,

    “They can’t understand that playing JUCOs and winning by 50–with a mid/low-level SEC team thrown in–is not the same as playing an SEC schedule.”

    Show one comment from a Boise State fan that goes along with your statement. Not only is your comment ignorant, it’s closer to being wrong than correct.

    Boise State’s schedule:
    > @Georgia – A home game for a ranked Georgia team. This same Georgia team is 3 points away from being 4-0 in the SEC. BSU won by two scores. Preseason jitters? BSU was probably working out kinks two, adjusting to life without two of its all-time best receivers.
    > @Toledo – A road game against a team that nearly beat OSU in Columbus. BSU wins by four scores.
    > Tulsa – Three-score victory.
    > Nevada – Three-score victory.
    > @Fresno State – Seven-score victory on the road against a team that played two tough games against Nebraska and Ole Miss.

    I’M NOT COMPARING BSU’S SCHEDULE TO AN SEC SCHEDULE.

    I’m saying you’re ignorant for your comments.

    “The argument is that Georgia was obviously overrated–as was Virginia Tech.”

    Oh. Ya. I suppose Oklahoma was overrated after reaching the Fiesta Bowl. I suppose TCU and Oregon were overrated.

    Have you ever watched a Boise State game? They’re one of the more efficient teams in college football. They are extremely well coached, and very humble. THAT is why they win. Not because they play patty-cakes. I hope Bama loses its game with LSU and finds its way to a BCS bowl game against Boise State. A win by the Broncos and you might finally learn a lesson. Lord knows you haven’t learned it yet, considering your experience wearing pads…

    The ACC was 2-0 against SEC schools in bowls last year. Is the ACC schedule as grueling as the SEC’s? It’s probably not viewed that way… so how about we give ‘em a shot before we knock ‘em, dear…

  39. boisestatewhodat says: Oct 10, 2011 1:10 PM

    Love it greggggg. Fans like Deb don’t bother breaking the surface to uncover the truth…they’d rather just say ‘uhhh, duhhh, yea, Boise State….uhhh, yea…they don’t play anybody….uhhh, duhghh, yea…they suck’!

  40. frank booth says: Oct 10, 2011 1:16 PM

    Deb says:
    Oct 10, 2011 12:13 PM
    @frank booth …

    Honey!! Where have you been?? The trailer has been lonely, and I haven’t bowled in ages

    Wonderful comments on Boise State. Of course, you’re preaching to the choir with everyone but the Boise State fans. They can’t understand that playing JUCOs and winning by 50–with a mid/low-level SEC team thrown in–is not the same as playing an SEC schedule. I’m really not sure why they can’t understand this unless they just don’t want to understand it.

    ===================================

    I’ve had to move on. I’ve upgraded to a double-wide with a bowling alley in it. It only has 6 pins and I have to put the futon against the back wall because the last time I put the ball through the back wall and it knocked over Billy Saul Slater’s grill, burning him over 1/2 of his body. He didn’t spill his drink, however.

    Moving to a better conference may not be the best move for Boise State. Right now, they are consistently a focal point of college football as everyone tries to figure out if they are that good or not- there is a mystique about them. Moving to a better conference may (I said may, not will) just make them another ordinary three or four loss team and they’ll just disappear into the scenery.

  41. Deb says: Oct 10, 2011 1:26 PM

    Boys, you obviously don’t know much about me or my posts. When you finish patting yourselves on the back for the benefit of your hometown fans on this Boise State thread, try going back and reading my posts.

    First, I haven’t said anything about their games against Oklahoma, TCU, or Oregon. I’m not talking about one-time bowl games. I’m talking about regular season matchups–and specifically about strength of schedule over the long haul. Stop putting words in my mouth so you can dispute them and then congratulate yourselves on your cleverness.

    Second, Boise State does not play a strong schedule. I’ve pointed our why the SEC’s schedule over the course of a season is considerably harder than Boise State’s. The wear and tear of that 13-week schedule takes a toll that Boise doesn’t have to bear playing minor-league teams. I’m not going to keep repeating information that you’re ignoring because you don’t want to hear it. Ignorance is refusing to listen to anything that doesn’t fit your square-shaped view of the world, grammar boy.

    Third, kids, almost wins don’t count. :roll:

    Fourth, whodatboy, Deb is a pretty deep kinda gal and generally goes below the surface on everything. If you’d been paying attention to anything besides the sound of your own cackling, you’d have noticed I’ve been talking about how Boise State can raise its stock and be taken more seriously. You have an impressive team, but you need to play a more impressive schedule. It’s not fair for you to play one ranked team, then a lot of no names and expect to skate into the championship game. You ranting like a junior high kid doesn’t with your uhhs and duhhs doesn’t make it anymore fair. If you had half a brain, you’d be thinking about how your team could get into a credible conference. At least that’s what you boys would be thinking if you cared about the team. Kids who just jump on a bandwagon only think about winning, not how they get there.

  42. TxGrown says: Oct 10, 2011 1:30 PM

    @Deb…
    “The argument is that Georgia was obviously overrated–as was Virginia Tech. And no one knew this because these matchups occurred early in the season. ”
    ———————————————————————————–
    In defense of VT after loses to BSU and James Madison they had 11 straight wins. Three over
    ranked teams NC State, Miami and FSU before their loss to Stanford in Orange Bowl. Could BSU have beaten VT later in the season? Who knows?

  43. Deb says: Oct 10, 2011 1:31 PM

    @frank booth …

    Ah, the voice of reason as usual. Silly me … I was thinking Boise State might want credibility. It never occurred to me that with a real conference comes losses and fading into the woodwork. Why would they want to compete on an even playing field when they can pretend to be kings of the world while playing JUCOs? :)

  44. gregggrammarrosenthal says: Oct 10, 2011 2:37 PM

    Deb,

    Why do you even read articles that don’t touch on Alabama or the Steelers? You have nothing positive to add; solely criticism.

    And again, one’s opinion should hold a lesser value for NEVER HAVING PLAYED THE SPORT. You know nothing of the camaraderie or physicality or worth of a team in the sport of football.

  45. boisestatewhodat says: Oct 10, 2011 3:15 PM

    Deb, why do you refer to yourself in the third person? Creepy…you sound real creepy. Can’t really argue with you…you don’t express your thoughts in a subjective manner. I think I’ve got it though…you think the world of yourself and use Boise State threads to boost your ego somehow. You also think Boise State is a good football team but hasn’t proved anything. You’re an SEC homer that thinks your entire conference and the schedules of every team in it are so brutal that great teams from other conferences aren’t worthy of anything. Hell, lets just eliminate all other conferences and have just the SEC…yeah SEC!! You think you’re somehow smarter than everyone else. You’re a NOW enthusiast…how am I doing? Right on or off the mark?

  46. boisestatewhodat says: Oct 10, 2011 4:17 PM

    Thought of a few more…you’re eccentric and quirky. You think the little girl (daughter of one of the coaches) in Friday Night Light’s reminds you of yourself when you were her age 50 years ago. You’re a Steelers fan, a Tide fan but live in Naples, Florida. Warm? Cold?

  47. phelbin says: Oct 10, 2011 5:05 PM

    If the Big East can hold onto their present members and attract a few new schools, they’ll be able to negotiate a new TV contract, and suddenly they’ll be in fairly good shape. They’ve lost a few members, but adding BSU, Air Force, and Navy could help them keep their BCS bid. Boise gets into an AQ conference and the Big East gets a perennial top 10 team. Win-Win.

    And anyone who thinks there’s any more stability in the Big12(9) than there was a few weeks ago should also take a look at this bridge I have for sale.

    Regarding the SEC…

    SEC dominance is a myth. Their fans always brings up the yearly BCS championships. Fine. I concede that point. Out of the 10 best teams in the country, 4 or 5 of them are in the SEC. But the rest of the conference isn’t what they’re supposed to be.

    The SEC’s bowl record over the last ten years is roughly equal to the Pac10 – about .600 – not the dominant .900 you’d expect from the way people talk about them. Funny how you never hear about Pac10 dominance with the similar winning percentage.

    Those other 7-8 schools get away with playing 4 directional state schools at home and then only playing each other because supposedly it’s tougher than any other conference.

    Let’s look at Alabama’s schedule this year. Kent State, North Texas and Georgia Southern at home. Penn State is way overrated (they barely beat my Hoosiers last week…and we suck). Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Miss St, and a mediocre Auburn are pushovers. That leaves 3 tough games – LSU, Arkansas, and Florida. That is hardly the grueling schedule we keep hearing about.

  48. boisestatewhodat says: Oct 10, 2011 5:14 PM

    Well said and supports my point that the SECs reputation hangs on the power of 4-5 teams…the rest are no better than any other team in any other conference. They do have a ton of titles but held by Bama, Florida and LSU alone…not the rest. Its all smoke and mirrors and I don’t buy it, never will. BSU could play the entire SEC east and go undefeated right now, pretty handedly undoubtedly. They’d give Bama, Florida and LSU all they could handle too…you’ll see come bowl season.

  49. Deb says: Oct 10, 2011 6:14 PM

    Oh my … I’ve stumbled into a r e a c h i n g contest where empty-headed little boys who have no valid comebacks start attacking on gender and creepiness. How entertaining!!! :D

    Why, gregggrammarrosenthal, darlin’, what makes you think I’ve never played football? And what makes you think football is the only place people learn about teamwork and camaraderie? And what makes you think people should only be allowed to comment on their own teams when they love the sport? When did you play for the SEC, dear? I see you making many comments on SEC football here.

    And when did you get your journalism or English degree and how long have you worked as an editor? I’m just asking since you feel free to comment on Rosenthal’s grammar. Surely you wouldn’t do that with no knowledge of the teamwork and camaraderie to be found in the journalism, media, editing business? My goodness, only a hypocrite would insist others comment only on what they’ve personally experienced while he comments on whatever he pleases.

    And boisestatewhodat, I must have really hit your soft spot if the best you can think of is to call me creepy for making one third-person reference in a half-dozen posts. Tell me again, dear, how long has lil ol’ Louisiana you been on the Boise Bandwagon?? I can’t recall.

    So the SEC’s reputation is built on four or five strong teams? Tell me again, dear, how many strong teams does Boise State have to claw through each season to get to their conference championship, without which they can’t possibly get to a national championship. We know the SEC teams have to battle several tough conference teams and heated rivals, plus out-of-conference opponents. I’m sure Boise State routinely battles at least as many tough opponents to earn their rankings. Do tell …

    Yes, you boys are big talkers here among friends, aren’t you? LOL

    And gregggrammarrosenthal, let’s be clear … I’ll post on what I please when I please and where I please. Since you can’t stand the heat of rational debate, you and your little friends can just give me thumbs down. They’re like Wheaties to me. I eat ‘em up. :lol:

  50. phelbin says: Oct 10, 2011 6:45 PM

    Deb, these other guys have gone too far. Ad hominem attacks are sometimes all they have left.

    I’m not a Boise fan, but I am a Pac12 fan. And the whole “football outside the South doesn’t really count” attitude gets old pretty quickly. Bear Bryant was a great coach in the 70′s, so Alabama deserves more respect now, right? I don’t see it that way. When we allow tradition to figure into current rankings we overestimate some teams and underestimate others. And because those ranking are part of the BCS equation, you have a naturally lopsided outcome. SEC teams get more respect than anyone else. Why? Tradition, i.e., that’s how it’s always been.

    I’m a numbers guy, and I’ve looked at non-conference games, bowl games, and BCS games over the last 20 years. And the SEC as a whole really has not been any more dominant than the Pac12…aside from the championships, of course. But i keep running into the “shut up and accept the SEC dominance” non-arguments. “We’re the best because we say we are.” Well…the numbers just don’t hold up.

    Alabama and LSU are very good this year. So are Wisconsin, Stanford, Oklahoma, and maybe Boise. I’d say all 6 are pretty evenly matched, but the media narrative would have the two SEC schools demolishing all others just because they’re SEC schools…and it’s just not reality.

  51. gregggrammarrosenthal says: Oct 10, 2011 6:54 PM

    Deb, my mothers birthday is coming up next week. Do you have any extra pink hats lying around?

  52. Deb says: Oct 10, 2011 8:21 PM

    Well, gregggrammarrosenthal, in addition to spending four years on my own in a guerilla war zone after getting my journalism degree, I’m also a three-time cancer survivor (toughness isn’t exclusive to males or to football players). So you’d think I would have some pink hats lying around. But I’m not big on the pink campaign. I figure if companies want to donate to cancer research, they should write a check instead of exploiting the issue to sell more yogurt. And I’d rather see the NFL focus attention on a gender-neutral cause more connected to the sport–like arthritis or paralysis research. So sorry … no extra pink hats. However, you could work on giving your mom a more mature son. Just a thought …

  53. Deb says: Oct 10, 2011 8:43 PM

    @phelbin …

    You’ve misread me. I have tremendous respect for the history of the Pac 12, the Big 10, the Big 12, and some of the schools in the ACC. I’m not part of the “football outside the South doesn’t count” crowd. My issue here is solely about Boise State’s strength of schedule. I simply don’t believe their current schedule merits high ranking, and that’s something–for their sake–I’d like to see change. But I don’t think Boise State is inferior just because they’re not in the SEC–and I certainly don’t think the Pac 12 is inferior.

    Right now, I’d say the SEC is the best conference in football because we’ve won the last five consecutive National Championships. That speaks for itself. But like all conferences, we have dominant and mediocre teams. Maybe it’s a little tougher because our teams play killer ball against one another even if they suck against everyone else. But in the end, rankings and championships are still about the performance of individual schools.

    I don’t think Alabama should get anything in today’s polling based on Bear’s legacy. He’s important to us as part of our football tradition. And I think he should be respected by college fans overall the same way I respect Lombardi, Halas, and Al Davis, despite the Raiders rivalries with the Steelers. Bear, like the others, was a giant in the sport. But except for the Stallings era, Alabama has endured a lot of mediocrity since his passing. We’re blessed to have another great coach in Nick Saban, and we’re where we are now based on what he’s built, not on Bear’s legacy.

    Sportswriters need a good story, whether it’s an SEC Battle of the Titans, or painting Boise State as an underdog Rocky trying to get a shot at the Apollo Creeds who don’t want to let them play. They don’t care about reality; they care about creating a narrative that will sell papers, tune in viewers, or generate page clicks. Yeah, they’re making out like Bama vs. LSU is the National Championship. But the reality is that story will end once those teams meet–maybe earlier if one of them loses before that game. That’s why I don’t pay much attention to the media. The only team I’m thinking about is Mississippi.

  54. phelbin says: Oct 10, 2011 10:53 PM

    Deb, you’re absolutely in the minority of SEC fans. I hope you realize that.

    You’re right, sports writers need good stories, many of which are exaggerated, if not largely fictional. But don’t forget that it’s those people who vote on the most important poll.

    And as you said, tradition shouldn’t be a part of the equation, but it absolutely is.

    Regarding Boise State, the most common argument I hear is that they don’t go through the grind of weekly play in a big-time conference. That may be, but they do always get up for the big games. And let’s be honest, the schedule in the SEC isn’t quite a daunting as the sports writers and SEC fans would have us believe.

    Speaking of tough schedules (off topic), my Arizona Wildcats have had a tougher stretch than anything your Tide will see all season. At Oklahoma State, at Stanford, Oregon, and at USC. Of course they lost all four games, but that was one brutal stretch!

  55. phelbin says: Oct 10, 2011 11:00 PM

    And btw, I just read that UofA fired Mike Stoops today after the horrific start of this season, which really began half-way through last year. I’m a happy man tonight!

  56. Deb says: Oct 10, 2011 11:20 PM

    @phelbin …

    I’m always being told I’m different :) But don’t think I’m too open-minded. I’m not an SEC-exclusive snob, but have been known to say the longtime football powerhouses–like Bama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, and USC–earned their reputations over decades and Boise State can’t expect to join that company overnight. However, they are a talented, well-coached team. Can’t argue that. Just wish they were in a major BCS conference.

    One thing that makes SEC schedules tougher is the bitterness of our rivalries. Alabama and Auburn are likely to kill each other just for the fun of it–especially if doing so could knock one out of a trophy hunt. I’m not sure all conferences have as many internal rivalries or take them as seriously. But yes, Arizona has a killer schedule this year. Don’t know enough about Mike Stoops to offer an opinion, but if you’re happy he’s gone, I’m happy for you :)

  57. phelbin says: Oct 11, 2011 3:20 AM

    Your rivalries have more history, I’ll give you that. But there are a few really good ones in the Pac12. I’ve heard the Arizona / Arizona State rivalry referred to as “the most heated rivalry in the country that no one outside the state of Arizona knows about.”

  58. frank booth says: Oct 11, 2011 11:17 AM

    phelbin says:

    …Regarding Boise State, the most common argument I hear is that they don’t go through the grind of weekly play in a big-time conference. That may be, but they do always get up for the big games. And let’s be honest, the schedule in the SEC isn’t quite a daunting as the sports writers and SEC fans would have us believe…

    ===================================
    Interesting. Alabama has 5 ranked teams on their schedule, 6 if they get to the SEC Championship game. Yet, that isn’t tough?

    BTW, I’m not an SEC guy and really don’t like Alabama. But the SEC, top to bottom, is tougher than any other conference.

    Also, in your assessment of bowl wins between the PAC-12 and SEC, what was the strength of the opponents that each were playing- it makes a difference. Additionally, the SEC has been primarily dominant over the last 5-10 years. Taking your sample over 20 years doesn’t reflect the SEC today.

  59. dmcgrann says: Oct 11, 2011 6:10 PM

    Bring on Boise State – Villanova. Then everyone’s dreams could come true!

  60. fcmlefty1 says: Oct 12, 2011 11:25 AM

    @frank booth – your 5 year window is bordering dangerously close to small sample size territory. Not that I neccesarily disagree with your take, its just a fine line to walk.

  61. sorosbolshevism says: Oct 12, 2011 11:53 AM

    I think it’s funny to see a dying BCS conference reach out in desperation. If you think college football is about finding out who the best team is, you must still believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, & Barack Obama. The BCS is a simple cartel designed to keep the money within the organization. Their mythical national championship is nothing but a beauty contest. I’d rather go back to the old days where New Year’s Day meant traditional bowl games with regional significance. Boise State’s rise is a threat to the cartel because, by their success, they shine light on the true nature of the BCS. If the BCS braintrust had a clue, they would gather in a room and decide which conference should absorb Boise State. That way, they get rid of the only team out there that threatens the status quo and avoide anti-trust inquiries. Now that TCU and Utah are in the club, you don’t see Congressmen from Utah and Texas crying about anti-trust issues. The BCS simply needs to act like a big corporation that had a small thorn in its side in the form of a small competing product–buy them out!

  62. paulbrownsrevenge says: Oct 13, 2011 7:12 PM

    ^ totally agree. In a way I’d like to see Boise State win the national title this year, just to ruffle feathers. It would be funny to see. So many people would complain about the system, and their schedule.

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