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Neinas: Big 12 to be a 10-team league next year

Chuck Neinas

For those looking for the Big 12’s membership total to match its name, you’re going to have to wait at least another year.  Probably.

In a conference call Tuesday, interim commissioner Chuck Neinas told reporters that the Big 12 will be a 10-team conference in 2012 regardless of what Missouri ultimately decides.  Neinas and, presumably, the rest of the conference are operating under the assumption that Missouri, which voted earlier this month to explore its conference options, will be a member of the Big 12 in 2012.

“If Missouri was going to change horses, it wouldn’t be for 2012 anyway,” Neinas said, apparently ignoring the fact that TCU, which will become the Big 12’s 10th member next year, was still slated to be a member of the Big East in 2012 as recently as a week ago.

Neinas added that there’s no timetable the Big 12 has given Mizzou to make a decision on its conference future, although the commissioner hinted that the league would need a decision before the end of the 2011-2012 academic year.  That would make sense as the Big 12 would need to plan for beyond 2012 as soon as possible.

As far as future expansion, Neinas said there’s currently no consensus from the current members on staying at 10 schools or getting back to 12.

If 10 schools for the moment is indeed the tack the Big 12 decides to take, and Missouri opts to remain, that would bode well for the immediate future of the Big East.  Both Louisville and West Virginia have been mentioned as possibilities for an expanded Big 12; if there’s no expanded Big 12, the Big East could perhaps gain more of a solid footing in the collegiate landscape.  Until the next round of conference expansion, of course.

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32 Responses to “Neinas: Big 12 to be a 10-team league next year”
  1. paulbrownsrevenge says: Oct 11, 2011 12:05 PM

    No way, they need to get to 12 teams asap before they get stuck with Houston and UTEP. I say go for BYU and SMU.

  2. tradeassociation says: Oct 11, 2011 12:07 PM

    This makes no sense. Tell Mizzou to buzz off, forcing them to go to the SEC hat in hand, and replace them with Cincinnati, West Virginia and Louisville, 3 teams that aren’t going to be looking to move. Cincinnati gives you TV sets in Ohio (repaying the Big 10 for taking Nebraska), Louisville gives you TV sets in SEC country and harms Kentucky in football and basketball (repaying the SEC for taking Mizzou and A&M) and as for taking 3 Big East schools in TCU, WVU and Cincinnati … they didn’t really do anything to the Big 12 and that stinks, but hey it’s life, and had you guys been minding your football operation instead of letting the likes of Saint Johns and Georgetown (and Notre Dame!) push you around, you wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place.

    It is so simple. Just tell Texas to go get stuffed and get it done. You might even get a BETTER TV deal, as it increases your geographic footprint. TCU replaces A&M. Cincinnati and Louisville replace Mizzou in the midwest. West Virginia gets you on the east coast. Get it done, Big 12!

  3. southernpatriots says: Oct 11, 2011 12:09 PM

    Neinas will instill stability first and that seems to be what he is doing. That is the most important job Neinas has and with Tier 1 and Tier 2 monies being evenly distributed and with him speaking with all member schools, and lowering the heat, bringing calm to the troubled waters, he has a chance to save the Big 12. My family and I (we) said from the beginning that Neinas was a great choice for this job, and we were surprised he was willing to accept it, but he was. Now he will do what few others could do–save the Big 12. Keep up the great work Neinas and may you keep your smile and humor through it all!

  4. centexhorn says: Oct 11, 2011 12:20 PM

    West Virginia is the only program as sexy as Missouri. Louisville? Cincinnati? Don’t make me gag. They’re faaaaar below a school like Missouri as far as prestige goes. They’re glorified FCS teams. I hope Louisville never gets anywhere near the Big 12. They belong in Conference-USA, where they came from.

  5. boomerdt says: Oct 11, 2011 12:22 PM

    Well duh – big east teams can’t exit in a year, BYU is flighty, and who else is out there? Big12-2 already took the only decent team left (TCU).

    Can we start poaching from the B1G and SEC? I’ll take Iowa and Arkansas – thank you.

  6. centexhorn says: Oct 11, 2011 12:22 PM

    We need to add West Virginia and BYU, to go along with TCU. That would make for a strong league.

  7. paulbrownsrevenge says: Oct 11, 2011 12:41 PM

    Iowa would never leave the B1G.

  8. deadeye says: Oct 11, 2011 1:04 PM

    The plight of the BIG12 is comedy gold. It’s what Texas deserves for treating everyone else in a less than egalitarian manner. And this is what all the others deserve for putting up with it.

    Long live the BIG12! For the sake of comedy!

  9. burntorangehorn says: Oct 11, 2011 1:09 PM

    deadeye, you’re spouting a line without knowing the facts. Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas A&M, and a number of others in the conference did the exact same thing, yet I don’t see you griping about them. Very hypocritical.

  10. kcrobert10 says: Oct 11, 2011 1:13 PM

    As a mizzou fan I’m praying the sec accepts us to get us out of this mess. They really haven’t fixed anything this granting of rights does nothing to stop the lhn and everyone else is kidding them selves if they don’t think that once again in a yr or 2 Texas and Oklahoma will once again be shopping for new conferences. Tcu has no.choice big east big 12 doesn’t matter they are both laughable as far as stablity are concerned. So once again I say sec please please please save my beloved university from Texas and Oklahoma.

  11. TxGrown says: Oct 11, 2011 1:26 PM

    @kcrobert10…
    “So once again I say sec please please please save my beloved university from Texas and Oklahoma.”
    —————————————————————————-
    Why haven’t they acted?

  12. southernpatriots says: Oct 11, 2011 1:33 PM

    kcrobert10: We heard it was up to Missouri. Missouri was watching to see if A & M worked out and it apparently has with A & M now an unofficial member of the SEC to be made official on July 2, 2012. If it is up to MO, then maybe MO is waiting until the contract they have with the Big 12 to expire so they won’t have to pay huge exit fees? Don’t know, that’s just a guess.

  13. burntorangehorn says: Oct 11, 2011 1:35 PM

    centex, you’re underestimating Louisville. They have pretty good football potential, and their fanbase, facilities, etc. are pretty solid. But they’re out of this world in economic value of their basketball program. Duke is #1 ($26.7M in revenues for the 2009-2010 season), but Louisville is a very close second ($25.9M for same), and earns almost three times the average ($8.8M) for teams that are in BCS AQ football conferences. North Carolina is a distant third ($20.6M).

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsmoney/2011/03/07/duke-louisville-north-carolina-generate-the-most-college-basketball-revenue/

    You might recall that Louisville has had a very good football program at times, especially under Petrino. Between that and their elite basketball value, they’d be a solid addition.

  14. bbeaman78 says: Oct 11, 2011 1:35 PM

    Really @kcrober10?!?! Really!?!?

    You just got beat by K-State and are 2-3 for the year. Take record into the SEC at this time of year. Your program is 2nd or 3rd tier at best in the BIG12….Stability is here, considered that we here about expanding not losing teams. Oh wait there is that mythical cloak and dagger offer from the SEC that won’t even admit they have contacted Mizzou if it has happened.

    Enjoy barely making a bowl game this year and in the SEC they would love to have you play the role of Baylor or ISU.

    As for Chuck Neinas, get off your a$$ and go and get 2 more teams. What a joke of a conference if you stay at 10.

    I saw someone mention Cincinatti like it is a gem of a school, then bash Houston. They are both commuter schools. The reason the Sooners played Cincy in the Bengals stadium rather than their own is it is too small.

    Offer BYU, WVU, and Louiville. Let Mizzou and A&M fight for the bottom of the SEC. Too bad recruiting didn’t work like the NFL draft so you could have first pick.

    Get moving Chuck! Anything less than 12 means you are becoming irrelevant. The same arrogance that tried to sell us all that 10 teams was better, are all unemployed now…. take notes Chuck!

  15. burntorangehorn says: Oct 11, 2011 1:46 PM

    PS: While Duke’s revenues were higher in basketball, Louisville actually had the most profitable program in that sport, because their expenses were lower. In fact, their basketball program earned better profits than the football teams for Oregon, USC, Wisconsin, Virginia Tech, and West Virginia, among many other notable schools. Yes, football. UL’s football program didn’t earn as much, as they were at a pretty low point at the end of the Kragthorpe era, but they still earned more than Florida State, Boston College, or Cincinnati.

    http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/06/20/which-football-and-basketball-programs-produce-the-largest-profits/

    Louisville’s overall athletics program profits (including losses in non-revenue sports, like almost every other school has) were over $2M in 2009-2010, making them more profitable than Auburn, among others.

  16. southernpatriots says: Oct 11, 2011 1:53 PM

    burntorangehorn: Thank you for the info and link. Do you know of one which has college baseball? The Olympic sports in college? Thank you again.

  17. burntorangehorn says: Oct 11, 2011 2:11 PM

    sopats, I couldn’t find any charts that appeared to be consistent or valid for all sports, baseball only, or non-revenue sports only. I did find this, but it didn’t seem believable:

    http://kaarme.com/Most_Profitable_College_Athletic_Programs

    It seemed plausible enough–until I reached Texas State-San Marcos at #10.

  18. maninmo says: Oct 11, 2011 2:16 PM

    The Big 12 doesn’t need any more Texas teams. 4 is plenty. I would like to see Louisville & Memphis come in. Not strong on football, but great in basketball. Give Kansas some needed competition. That’s if Missouri stays. If Mizzou leaves, I don’t care who they get.

  19. southernpatriots says: Oct 11, 2011 2:18 PM

    burntorangehorn: Thank you. This link and chart seems to contradict the previous one, but maybe we are not understanding it. We see your surprise at #10, we are surprised at others as well, maybe the second chart is taking into consideration all the sports that drain revenue as well and after all those negatives are considered, the profit which remains is listed? We are truly surprised that Notre Dame is not up there, but we think it could be that their’s are huge deposits made to the university from which they draw income, not revenue generated from present day athletic revenue and profits?

  20. deadeye says: Oct 11, 2011 2:55 PM

    “deadeye, you’re spouting a line without knowing the facts. Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas A&M, and a number of others in the conference did the exact same thing, yet I don’t see you griping about them. Very hypocritical.”

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    Those schools left the conference. Obviously they felt as though things weren’t right with the current arrangement. The PAC-12 declined the idea of adding UT, OU, etc. and specifically spelled out the need for equity within the conference as one of the reasons.

    I’m not suggesting that Texas is the most evil university, many others have done exactly the same thing. The point is that the reforms that now are attempting to be made should have immediately been put in place as soon as Nebraska left. If they had been, Colorado, TAMU, and Missouri would still be present and the BIG12 stable.

    When the conference almost dissolved a year ago, UT comes up with the Longhorn Network instead of addressing the real concerns felt by the remaining universities. The fallout from that decision is still occuring.

  21. brucewaynewins says: Oct 11, 2011 3:24 PM

    tradeassociation says:
    Oct 11, 2011 12:07 PM
    This makes no sense. Tell Mizzou to buzz off, forcing them to go to the SEC hat in hand, and replace them with Cincinnati, West Virginia and Louisville, 3 teams that aren’t going to be looking to move. Cincinnati gives you TV sets in Ohio (repaying the Big 10 for taking Nebraska), Louisville gives you TV sets in SEC country and harms Kentucky in football and basketball (repaying the SEC for taking Mizzou and A&M) and as for taking 3 Big East schools in TCU, WVU and Cincinnati … they didn’t really do anything to the Big 12 and that stinks, but hey it’s life, and had you guys been minding your football operation instead of letting the likes of Saint Johns and Georgetown (and Notre Dame!) push you around, you wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place.

    It is so simple. Just tell Texas to go get stuffed and get it done. You might even get a BETTER TV deal, as it increases your geographic footprint. TCU replaces A&M. Cincinnati and Louisville replace Mizzou in the midwest. West Virginia gets you on the east coast. Get it done, Big 12!

    ===================================

    you’d only get about half of Cincinnati with University of Cincinnati. Outside of Cincinnati the state is either Ohio State fans or their local college. In the city of Cincinnati I’d say less than half the population cares about University of Cincinnati. There are just as many Ohio State fans if not more in Cincinnati (where OSU has the least fans of any portion of the state). The city is a mix of people who don’t care period, people who prefer Ohio State, and people who prefer UC, and people who prefer other schools ie (Notre Dame and Michigan are good examples). There are slightly smaller markets that would serve a conference far better than UC ever could for football. Take the city market size and knock it down a few pegs. To be honest 1 out of 10 people at best care about UC football before Brian Kelly came along. This season they are 4-1 and barely mentioned at all.

  22. kcrobert10 says: Oct 11, 2011 3:29 PM

    Who cares about our record. Really if ur name isn’t ou or Texas when was the last time someone in this conf won the title. Ku owns basketball here so I don’t understand where everyone in the big 12 thinks this conf is so great. It would be great if the schools were equals just like the NFL sec big 10 pac 12 and so on. I get Texas and ou fans ur great but ill take my chances in a balanced conf like the sec.

  23. tradeassociation says: Oct 11, 2011 3:31 PM

    brucewaynewins:

    This is true. It is also true that no one in New York and Pennsylvania cares about Syracuse and Pitt football. Getting Cincinnati is all about telling the TV execs that you’re into the Ohio market, and to pay up because of it.

  24. burntorangehorn says: Oct 11, 2011 3:38 PM

    deadeye says:
    Oct 11, 2011 2:55 PM
    When the conference almost dissolved a year ago, UT comes up with the Longhorn Network instead of addressing the real concerns felt by the remaining universities. The fallout from that decision is still occuring.
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    That’s the conference’s job, not UT’s.

  25. thefiesty1 says: Oct 11, 2011 3:48 PM

    No, no, no, go to 12 ASAP. The hell with the BIG East going forward. He who hesitates is lost. Get back to a conference championship game (more money to split). If Missouri decides to leave (rather the SEC accepts them) then three more (Boise, BYU and Houston) would keep 6 north and 6 south divisions. Just do it already.

  26. deadeye says: Oct 11, 2011 4:24 PM

    “That’s the conference’s job, not UT’s.”

    =================================

    Yes, technically that is the BIG12’s resposibility. But if UT likes playing in the BIG12, and teams leaving threaten the existence of the BIG12, it behooves UT to modify their arrangement to prevent universisties from leaving the BIG12.

    So taking the perspective that it’s conference’s job to make everyone in the BIG12 happy, then why is UT now making changes concerning the Longhorn network? Think it through carefully and you might be able to understand the point I’m making.

  27. burntorangehorn says: Oct 11, 2011 4:46 PM

    deadeye–What arrangement would UT have to modify? Every single team in the conference has equal amounts of freedom under league policies to market its third-tier media rights. You think UT should be subject to additional rules that don’t apply to all the other teams?

  28. wvuandsteelers says: Oct 11, 2011 5:33 PM

    Clearly I am a WVU fan, so I have some bias. If Mizzou goes, the best schools as far as quality of football would be Boise State, WVU and probably BYU (don’t think Houston has quite gotten there yet). Basketball would be WVU, Louisville and UConn. From a recruiting standpoint, I would want South/Central Florida, San Diego State and maybe WVU (thinking you could pull from nearby PA and Washington DC). So, WVU shows up 3 times. Plus, Oliver Luck has a lot of ties to Texas, so hopefully he has some buds (clearly he had none in the ACC or SEC). Now, if you are sentimental, they could add SMU, Rice, UTEP and Houston to get all of Texas (I leave out North Texas because, well, they suck…….but then so does Rice).

  29. deadeye says: Oct 11, 2011 7:02 PM

    “deadeye–What arrangement would UT have to modify? Every single team in the conference has equal amounts of freedom under league policies to market its third-tier media rights. You think UT should be subject to additional rules that don’t apply to all the other teams?”

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    Sorry I wasn’t specific. I’m referring to the recent announcement that the LHN will not be broadcasting high school content. That is a change from the original plans, and clearly is a concession to the other BIG12 schools who were up in arms over that aspect of the network.

    So to rephrase my question:

    If it’s not UT’s job to keep other BIG12 teams happy, then why did they change their intention to broadcast high school content?

    My point is that they are altering aspects of the LHN to be more palatable to the other BIG12 schools. But all this is coming after 3 schools have left and a fourth might be leaving. That was a mistake, and it shouldn’t have taken so many schools leaving the BIG12 for UT to figure out what was necessary to preserve the conference in the long run.

  30. texasexinabq says: Oct 11, 2011 8:52 PM

    I am glad the Big 12 is putting a hold on expansion for a while. This will allow the dust to settle and Mizzou to make up their minds. On selfish note, I am hoping that New Mexico hires Leach and he can turn around their program. I think UNM would be a nice addition to the Big 12 if they could get their football program back to at least a mediocre level.

    All their other sports would be competitive in the Big 12.

    I admit that I am being selfish because I could see the Horns play in Abq every couple of years.

    Pluses: Decent market (44th in nation) that is growing, research institution with fair academics, would be close for South teams and nice travel partner for Tech, Abq provides a nice away game destination.

    Minuses: Bad football team with small stadium. No national appeal. Smaller market (but bigger than Iowa State, KSU, Kansas, and Boise State).

  31. burntorangehorn says: Oct 12, 2011 1:28 PM

    deadeye, ESPN’s vice-president for the network made the statement that they would look to broadcast games, and he did not check with the NCAA, Big 12, or UT before running his mouth. The decision to not broadcast might represent a concession, but it wasn’t exactly a Texas plan to select Texas commitments’ games to show, or even show HS games.

  32. paulbrownsrevenge says: Oct 14, 2011 6:23 PM

    I think Louisville would be a decent fit for the SEC. I know they aren’t the strongest in football, but they would dominate in basketball in the SEC where the only decent team is Kentucky. It’s not like the SEC needs another dominant football program, they can’t all be winners each year. Adding a dominant Basketball school would be smart.

    For the same reason if the B1G expanded, I’d like to see Kansas join.

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