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Alabama to Mizzou: Go east, young Tigers

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If Missouri ends up in the SEC, Alabama wants the Tigers to be competing with Florida, Georgia and Tennessee regularly, not against LSU and Auburn.

Texas A&M’s addition to the SEC has created a 13-team scheduling SNAFU that was, apparently, completely worth it to commissioner Mike Slive. But there are still questions as to whether the SEC will expand again to try and balance out the league; the primary target still looks to be Missouri.

How soon Missouri will leave the Big 12, if they leave, is unclear. Chancellor Brady Deaton hasn’t given the Big 12 a timeline and interim conference commissioner Chuck Neinas hasn’t exactly reciprocated any pressure. But if the Tigers do jump to the SEC, there’s at least one school, Alabama, who wants to see them move to the SEC East, not the more geographically-fitting (if you can even call it that) SEC West.

According to Jon Solomon of the Birmingham News, Alabama would only support Missouri as a 14th member under that condition. The Tide, Solomon writes, have two goals: Keep its annual cross-division rivalry game with Tennessee, and to prevent Auburn from gaining any sort of recruiting advantage in Florida and Georgia. Auburn has volunteered to move to the SEC East if necessary, meaning they would be guaranteed to play in Florida once every two years; Auburn already has a protected inter-divisional game with Georgia.

Solomon also writes that Auburn would stay in the SEC West if Missouri was forced to move to the East. Alabama reportedly still prefers an eastern team, although the ACC aggressively raised its exit fees weeks ago.

Calm down, West Virginia. Not yet.

Solomon writes that Missouri is still the favorite, but there is hesitation about exactly how to bring in the Tigers to the conference. It could be that Deaton is pursuing damage control after an anonymous school official told the AP last week that Mizzou preferred the Big Ten, but would join the SEC because “that’s what’s left.” It could also be that the conference isn’t sure how to restructure the conference if Mizzou is brought in.

In any case, this might not be solved for a while, hence the “no timeline” comment from Deaton.

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  1. Deb says: Oct 15, 2011 10:21 AM

    Well, thank heavens, someone is thinking straight!!! Missouri kisses the borders of Kentucky and Tennessee, and both the Wildcats and the Vols are in the eastern division. It’s certainly workable.

    NCAA football is a big-money business and one way to bring in that money is to open up new television markets. Expanding into Texas and Missouri will do that. But then you want to keep your conference competitive and provide good rivalries. I’ve already said Alabama would never agree to lose either the Iron Bowl with Auburn or the Third Satuday in October with Tennesse. Those are huge, historic rivalries to the teams involved. And Missouri will find the eastern division more competitive than the west.

    If Bama holds this line and Mizzou enters the east, it’s all good. And it’s no sillier than the NFL keeping the Dallas Cowboys in the NFC East to preserve its traditional rivalries with Philly, Washington, and the Giants.

  2. kcrobert10 says: Oct 15, 2011 10:59 AM

    I could live with being in the east if that makes everyone happy. Wonder what ark who would love to have that rivalry game thinks. On an interesting note mizzou would go from one major basketball rival with ku to one with the just as powerful ken. Hmm could be fun to see how that goes.

  3. jamietherazorback says: Oct 15, 2011 11:09 AM

    Mizzou would probably be better in the east. Tennessee and Kentucky (UT, Vandy, UK) border Mizzou. With three sec schools in the east, I’M sure Arkansas could become the crossrival each season. Arkansas and Texas A&M are in the same division anyway. So the Aggies could take the Hogs crossrival of SOuth Carolina. When you break it down like that, it makes a lot of sense. Plus Mizzou would have a much better chance of wins in the SEC east.

  4. southernpatriots says: Oct 15, 2011 11:53 AM

    Texas A & M would be in the West so we at LSU could look forward to rekindling the rivalry which was very competitive for many years. My family and I (we) could look forward to cooking our famous Cajun tailgate feast and trading some great Texas chefs for some tri-tips and brisket and we could reciprocate when all come to Baton Rouge. That would be fun. Arkansas would love to play A & M yearly, so would LSU. We have The Boot between Arkansas and LSU which God willing we win back in a few more weeks, what could we have between A & M and LSU? We’ll think on that one.

    Missou to the East? Sounds okay. Then no founding members in the SEC (e.g. Auburn) would need to move to the East, thereby disrupting traditional rivalries. Sounds like the SEC has a good hold on what to do. Any team going into the SEC East at the present time and for a decade or more has a much easier go of it than being in the West. Who in their right mind wants to join the SEC West…oh we forgot…Texas A & M…well they are not in their right mind anyway…ha. At least we hope we hear some new Aggie jokes this time around…have a great football day SEC fans!

  5. thefiesty1 says: Oct 15, 2011 1:07 PM

    …Southern pats…

    Your absolutely right about A&M not being in their right minds. They’ll be a doormat for most of the SEC West for a number of years to come. They’ve already lost the last two years to Arkansas in non-con. And I saw them back in the nineties lose LSU in Baton Rouge. The Ags are going to regret their move – you can count on it.

    As for Missouri in the East….good move. Take the invite soon so the BIG 12 can get off the spot and get back to 12 now. He who hesitates is lost.

  6. noaxetogrind says: Oct 15, 2011 1:14 PM

    With all due respect to Southernpatriots and Deb who typically in my opinion offer rational insight, they have let their rose colored glasses cloud their judgement. Clearly the geogrpahically most logical team to move is Auburn. Auburn has already publically said they are fine with that. The nice thing about the SEC is that unlike the Big 12 it is not beholden to any one team, yes Deb, even Alabama. Okay so Bama doesn’t want Mizzou in the west. Sorry, its what best for the combined league. Southernpatriot, your comment “any team going into the SEC East at the present time and for a decade or more has a much easier go of it than being in the west” is nothing more than fan talk. Five years ago the SEC East was every bit of what the SEC West is today. If somebody would have said that about the SEC East back then it would have been as foolish as your comment is now. Florida, Georgia, Tennessee all have bigger athletic budgets than Auburn and LSU. Florida has access to the best athletes in the country on a recruiting basis. What makes you think it will take those schools “a decade” to become contenders again. Florida has 3 National Championships in the last 15 years, which SEC West team has that? I agree the SEC West is the preeminent division this side of the NFL right now but they certainly have no stranglehold on it past the next big recruiting cycle and coaching change which can happen at any time. History indicates that what makes the SEC the league it is is the competitive balance and there is no reason to think that is going to change. I have tremendous respect for Alabam and what they have meant to college football and the SEC but they should have no more clout than any other SEC team. I would havce hoped you would have learned that from the Big 12 implosion becuase of their inability to reign in Texas. If Mizzou in the west is what is best for the eintire league, then let them vote 11-1 and lets move on.

  7. deadeye says: Oct 15, 2011 1:33 PM

    Regardless of how this Missouri situation shakes out, the division compromise (either Missouri or Auburn to the East) is temporary.

    Once this round of expansion is complete, the SEC will then make it’s final push to 16, and pursue one team in NC and one in Virginia. Adding two teams that are geographically in the east will allow either Missouri or Auburn to go back to the west.

    The SEC will probably land Virginia Tech and NC State and become the second conference to reach 16. Then the three game mini-conference-playoff will be introduced. The other major conferences will all eventually follow suite.

  8. atl14dat says: Oct 15, 2011 4:49 PM

    Wholeheartedly agree with noaxetogrind above.

    I’m a Tennesse alum and hope dearly that the 3rd Saturday In October continues unabated for decades.

    That said, the SEC Conference is bigger and their well being is much more important than what Alabama or my alma mater want individually.

    Hope missouri comea aborad in short order and they should be in the West.

  9. Deb says: Oct 15, 2011 6:23 PM

    @noaxetogrind and atl14dat …

    First, I’m not saying the SEC East is a cakewalk, but Florida and Tennessee are rebuilding. The dominance they’ve shown–even in the recent past, in Florida’s case–aren’t relevant to the discussion. We have to go from here forward. And going forward from this moment, the eastern division is less competitive than the west.

    It’s not an issue of Alabama trying to run the conference … nor should it be an issue of the conference running Alabama. Yes, it was so sweet of Auburn to volunteer to move to the east. They’d get to play in a far less competitive division while simultaneously screwing Alabama out of its other major annual rivalry. Oh, but I’m sure none of that occurred to those dear folks at Auburn. They were just acting for the greater good :roll:

    As others have pointed out, Missouri is a dominant basketball school. It makes more sense to put them in the same division with Kentucky, where a new b’ball rivalry could be established. Since Mizzou borders Tennessee and Kentucky, there is nothing geographically unusual about putting the Tigers in the same division with the Wildcats and Vols. Just as the NFL realigned with one eye toward geographic logic and the other thinking of rivalries, the SEC should show similar wisdom.

    Alabama’s stand makes sense and doesn’t hurt a blessed soul. It preserves our rivalry with Tennessee and otherwise preserves the status quo. No other SEC school stands to lose any rivalry or current competitive advantage by Mizzou going into the east. That’s hardly a situation of Alabama running roughshod over everyone else.

  10. southernpatriots says: Oct 15, 2011 6:39 PM

    Missouri surely fits geographically into the West, just as A & M fits geographically into the West. Moving well established teams which have been members of the SEC from the beginning to a new division may not sit well with their normal rivalries and there is a deference given to the original members of the SEC, so if they don’t want to move or change their division, we don’t think there will be any change for them.

    Auburn has expressed that they were willing to change to the East with some considerations. It likely will also require an additional original member SEC school to change from the West to the East. We hope that particular school would be amenable to this move, or it won’t happen. The SEC member schools vote on this and all presidents, ADs, etc. of the original members of the SEC will not impose their will contrary to the willingness of the particular fellow original member school.

    We know no one is suggesting that on this blog, but we have heard (or friends have heard) such suggested on Tuscaloosa radio, Birmingham radio, & Athens radio stations.

    We obviously want what is best for the SEC. It all will depend upon what the original member schools want to do. Slive is greatly trusted by the member presidents. Slive may well be able to talk them into making the move, some with considerations of protecting certain games with certain rivals.

  11. fratlawyer says: Oct 15, 2011 7:14 PM

    If the Conference adds Missouri, it ought to realign the divisions. Try this on for size:

    Division One:
    Alabama (Cross-division rival – LSU)
    Auburn (Cross-division rival – Georgia)
    Kentucky (Cross-division rival – Miss. State)
    Missouri (Cross-division rival – Arkansas)
    South Carolina (Cross-division rival – Ole Miss)
    Tennessee (Cross-division rival – Florida)
    Vanderbilt (Cross-division rival – Texas A&M)

    Division Two:
    Arkansas (Cross-division rival – Missouri)
    Florida (Cross-division rival – Tennessee)
    Georgia (Cross-division rival – Auburn)
    LSU (Cross-division rival – Alabama)
    Miss. State (Cross-division rival – Kentucky)
    Ole Miss (Cross-division rival – South Carolina)
    Texas A&M (Cross-division rival – Vanderbilt)

    This lineup is by no means perfect, but it preserves almost every single important existing SEC rivalry and maintains a balance of power between the divisions, while also giving the new additions immediate border rivalries to get fired up about. Sure, there will be some nits to pick, but doesn’t this proposed realignment address the most pressing concerns presented by adding Missouri?

  12. southernpatriots says: Oct 15, 2011 7:34 PM


    Thank you for the thought and time you put into the realignment. We know some SEC founding schools may have some objection by claiming multiple rivalries which are important them.

    Your new alignment certainly solves problem that is unfolding this year between LSU and Alabama. Three weeks to the defacto National Championship game or at least a semi-final. Oh, for legitimate playoffs.

    We would suggest that you forward this alignment the SEC offices in Birmingham. We don’t know if they are willing to wholesale realign the teams at this time or with 14 members or wait until there is 16 and a superconference. That is the question.

    Your thoughtful and thought provoking post will gender discussion by many fans of different teams and we thank you for enabling this conversation to continue. It is an important one to be had by SEC team fans, and even more so by those school presidents.

  13. noaxetogrind says: Oct 15, 2011 11:09 PM

    Just got back on here and happened to see the responses. Kudos to most for some commentary that is at least rooted in well thought out ideas. Deb, I would be lying if I didn’t say I was disappointed by your response. You continue to say some just absolutely crazy things. You make the statement “The dominance they have shown, even in the recent past, as in Florida’s case isn’t relevant to the discussion”. What the heck are you talking about. That was my main point of disagreement with the original assertion that the West is and will be for the foreseaable future the dominant division. Some, such as you & Southernpatriots thought the East was bettter for Mizzou becuase they couldn’t compete with the current West. Yea, as it is today. The decision of where to put Mizzou is bigger than where the power of balance is today. The history is irrefutable, especially in the last 25 years, that power swings back & forth. It’s a good thing you weren’t running the SEC about 8 years ago, you might have kicked Alabama out of the league when they went through their down period. You make the same stupid assertion when you say “of course Auburn would go to the East, they get to play in a less competitive divsion”. Deb, get off your high horse. Less competitive this year, less competitive last year and probably less competitive next year. After that I would ask you to give one credible reason to think that history is going to be defied and the West will now become the perennial dominant division. In fact a quick inspection of the last 15 years would lend quite a different perspective. Based on those results most would say that over the course of time the East would be the more dominant division. I don’t know what the future holds but I also know you don’t either, so please back up your claims of long term West superiority with some credible logic. Lastly you say that Alabama’s plan would hurt nobody. Gee, I think the folks at Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina might disagree with that when their women’s softball team has to fly to KC for an “in division” game. Come on Deb, you are way too smart to take this provincial attitude. If you want Mizzou in the East because it will be good for Bama I am okay with that. You are a fan, I get it. Just don’t be disingenious and try to convince us it is in the best interest of the rest of the conference.

  14. Deb says: Oct 15, 2011 11:13 PM

    @fratlawyer …

    Switch Arkansas and Missouri, making the cross-divisional rivalry Arkansas-A&M, and I can live with that. Now you just have to convince Slive and all those presidents. Oh … and Missouri, of course :)

  15. Deb says: Oct 15, 2011 11:32 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    One more thing:

    It could be that Deaton is pursuing damage control after an anonymous school official told the AP last week that Mizzou preferred the Big Ten, but would join the SEC because “that’s what’s left.”

    I love my alma mater. But if a Mizzou official actually said this, the SEC should think long and hard about admitting the Tigers regardless of Slive’s front-porch fantasies. The Big 10 chose Nebraska despite Missouri offering better media opportunities, a higher academic ranking, and more than a century of AAU membership. So much for the Mr. Leaders & Legends’ pompous blathering about the importance of academics.

    But if Mizzou is still sniffing after fools who’ve already turned them down and acting like the SEC is the girl who looks prettier at closing time, Alabama is right about the conference looking east instead. We don’t need to turn the SEC upside down for a school that doesn’t genuinely want to be in the winningest and most lucrative conference in football.

  16. southernpatriots says: Oct 15, 2011 11:53 PM

    Deb: We doubt someone in the upper administration at Missouri is that stupid to say that. However, it has been our experience that stupid is not just with the uneducated but also is epidemic amongst academia as well…so we really do not know. If anyone said that, it may have been some lower level administrator, someone with visions of grandeur. We hope someone will research this and get the truth.

    If someone from the upper administration at Missouri said this, we agree with you.

    We do not want the SEC turned upside down for any new member. It seems there is something to be said for seniority and in the case of most members (excepting Arkansas and South Carolina), the remainder are founding members who have been with the SEC many decades before there was any money in it for them.

    The last two members made it easy, one West and one East. The new 14 member and then 16 member super conference may be a logistical problem for which saner and better minds that us need to find a solution.

    We know the original members have a very special place in the SEC and as such will not approve a decision affecting a fellow original member unless they are voting the way the fellow original member approves. Slive is an important factor but we know the does not want to disrupt traditional rivalries. He believes (and may we enthusiastically add, we believe!) that traditional rivalries are very important for the game of college football and for fan support.

    Some things must be done to keep the SEC the best conference. It will not remain there unless wise decisons are made.

  17. Deb says: Oct 15, 2011 11:57 PM

    @noaxetogrind …

    Oh Lord save us from riled up Gators LOL

    First, southernpatriots posted that bit about the east being less competitive for the next decade. Almost included in my post that I don’t agree, and wish I had. Yes, the pendulum swings. I’ve posted many times how much I like Muschamp. And I think he’s brilliant for switching to a pro-style offense. It’s only a matter of him having the opportunity to recruit the right personnel, and the Gators will be dominant again.

    Second, please don’t holler at me about baseball teams and such. I’m all football all the time. The last thing that would ever cross my mind in any football discussion is the travel time of a girl’s baseball team. Good grief.

    Third, I’m a lifelong, diehard Alabama fan … and a Mizzou alum. If they come into the SEC, I’d like them as far from Alabama as possible. And I don’t want them screwing up our historic rivalries. Nor should Auburn be moving out of our division (and if that bunch wants to move, it’s not for any magnanimous reason). So of course, I have a personal bias. Thought that was obvious :)

  18. fratlawyer says: Oct 16, 2011 12:00 AM

    @Deb – If you switch Arkansas and Missouri, changing Arkansas’ cross-divisional rival to A&M, Missouri wouldn’t have a permanent game against ANY of its bordering states and Arkansas loses its annual game against LSU. That just makes no sense.

  19. fratlawyer says: Oct 16, 2011 12:07 AM

    I figure I should disclose my biases as well…

    Lifelong Tennessee fan (born in Knoxville on Homecoming Day, five minutes after kickoff); grew up in Alabama; went to college in Texas with a bunch of A&M fans; did four years of grad school at Vanderbilt; married a Mizzou grad who says our marriage survives only because our teams are in different conferences – I THINK she’s kidding, but I’ll admit to being a touch apprehensive.

  20. Deb says: Oct 16, 2011 12:19 AM

    @southernpatriots …

    No level of snobbery coming out of academia would surprise me. Can’t post specifics, but a former corporate client once hired a prominent academian into a senior management position. When his colleagues learned of his appointment, they gave press interviews saying exactly what they thought of him working for an organization that (gasp!) serves the public. These were high-level administrators at an extremely prestigious institution. I’m not sure what was more shocking–learning their opinions of … well, everyone who isn’t an academian, or that they actually made those comments for publication.

    What’s funny is that those fools wouldn’t give the time of day to the Big 10 … and it sounds like the Big 10 wouldn’t give the time of day to Missouri … and it’s possible at least a few people at Missouri wouldn’t give the time of day to the SEC. A lot of people are going to be surprised when they meet God and discover they’re not all that 😀

  21. Deb says: Oct 16, 2011 12:27 AM

    @fratlawyer …

    I have a headache. Don’t talk to me about the little details. You work it out–you seem really good at that. I’m just trying to keep Mizzou out of Bama’s division :)

    Aha … someone like me. Florida native, lifelong Bama fan, Mizzou grad, diehard Steelers fan. We might have crossed paths but for a twist of fate. Had a scholarship for grad school at Vandy, but was diagnosed with cancer the week before I was to leave my job … and my health insurance. So life took a detour.

    Sometimes people think I’m kidding about the seriousness of my football allegiances, too :)

  22. southernpatriots says: Oct 16, 2011 12:37 AM

    Deb: We agree: “A lotof people are going to be surprised when they meet God and discover they’re not all that”…so very true. We have run into intellectual snobs in the most unexpected places. A nurse at a public health unit once was speaking down to my brother.

    My brother had volunteered to fill in for a fellow doctor at his hospital who was volunteering there. The nurse began to tell him some details of how doctors should treat certain patients and so on. She told him she knew more than the doctors and if he needed to know anything about how to handle patients, diagnoses, etc. he should ask her, not the doctors. He calmly listened, acting as if she made sense and that he did not know anything. After seveal hours his friend arrived and addressed him, “Dr. _____, how did you like filling in for me the past few hours?…” The nurse was shocked. Some may not have to wait until they meet God. Some find out through circumstances down here.

    The alignment or realignment of the SEC for 14 teams and then for 16 teams will be interesting and challenging. Each school has its interests and rivalries it desires to preserve. If SEC presidents and/or SEC administrators can organize all that, it would seem they could easily recommend to the NCAA a playoff system and ask for suggestions toward that end from the NCAA.

  23. southernpatriots says: Oct 16, 2011 12:59 AM

    fratlawyer: Glad to read of your biases. Our extended family for generations since the founding of the university are LSU alums. Our brother in law is University of Georgia former well known player and alum. Our desire, along with many other colleagues, is to advance LSU, and promote and improve the SEC schools.

    We are highly supportive of all SEC schools anytime they play out of conference opponents. We have traveled to all SEC schools and attended football games, basketball games, and baseball games, as well as some track meets, and at least one swim meet. We tailgate with the best Cajun feast in the known world (now it’s not bragging, when you can do it…our father used to tell us…ha) and are now retired but working harder to help others than we have worked through our lives at our professions…ha. someone said the other day, we did not retire, we just re-fired!

  24. atl14dat says: Oct 16, 2011 11:00 AM

    Like Ii said earlier, I’m a UT alum. I hope the UT/Bama rivalry can be preserved.

    That said, Missouri coming in is not about Competitive balance.

    Missouri and Texas A&M both belong in the west IMO.

    If Auburn gets shifted and it rains on Bama or my alma mater’s parade, So be it.

    Neither entity should be in position to dictate policy for the Conference for nothing more than selfish reasons.

  25. Bo Darville says: Oct 16, 2011 11:01 AM

    “Mizzou would probably be better in the east. Tennessee and Kentucky (UT, Vandy, UK) border Mizzou.”

    While they may border each other, Columbia, MO is a 10 hour drive to Knoxville, TN and about 7 or 8 hours from Nashville and Lexington.

  26. tigersgeaux says: Oct 16, 2011 11:23 AM

    If MO and A & M go west and Auburn willingly goes east, then what other team will go east with Auburn. This is where it gets tricky. Some are saying that if Auburn goes east then Alabama needs to go east as well. That would bring greater balance to the SEC conferences.

  27. atl14dat says: Oct 16, 2011 12:08 PM

    Just wanted to Clarify in more detail. I’m fine with Missouri being placed in the SEC East if that is what Slive determines to be in the “Best Interest” of the Conference ,Long term.

    As noted I absolutely love the UT/Bama skirmish in Mid October. Have made the road trip multiple times over the years to watch in Knoxville, Birmingham and Tuscaloosa. Good venues all around good peoples all around.

    Just don’t want to see the SEC set precedent of letting the UA, UT or any other University President dictate terms based on nothing more that short term self interest.

    What’s best for SEC as a Whole is far,far more important that what is best for any single institution.

  28. Deb says: Oct 16, 2011 1:14 PM

    @alt14dat …

    Yes, yes, you want to do what’s best for the conference, unlike your nasty ol’ rival Alabama. We get it. But Just because you declare Missouri should go west doesn’t make it selfish for Alabama to declare otherwise.

    And Bo Darville, instead of picking one location and throwing up the distance for self-serving reasons, let’s look at the whole shebang, shall we?

    SEC West
    Missouri to A&M–13 hours
    to LSU–12.5 hours
    to Auburn–12.5 hours
    to Alabama–10.5 hours
    to Miss State–9.5 hours
    to Ole Miss–8 hours
    to Arkansas–5.5 hours

    SEC East
    to Florida–17 hours
    to South Carolina–14.5 hours
    to Georgia–12.5 hours
    Missouri to Tennessee–10 hours
    to Kentucky–7.5 hours
    to Vandy–7.5 hours

    Well, what do you know! Very little difference for Mizzou in travel time between the SEC East and the SEC West.

    Guess you guys will have to come up with another reason to explain how Alabama’s plan is sooooo selfish and unworkable :roll:

  29. Deb says: Oct 16, 2011 1:33 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    I know you can imagine the look on my face as I read some of these comments. Roethlisberger just underthrew the ball into double coverage. Yeah. That look.

    Helps to know someone is here who understands that Alabama is a founding member of the SEC and is cautioning prudence moving forward regarding century-long rivalries. The children have no appreciation for history; they just like to make snotty snipes at rival teams.

  30. atl14dat says: Oct 16, 2011 1:38 PM

    Mine is not about travel time, Geography only. Spare me your NFL bromide.

    I didn’t even say it was unworkable,

    I also stated that Missouri to the east is fine with me, IF Slive thinks it’s in the best interest of the Conference.

    Doesn’t quite fit your self serving narrative and attempt to create a strawman.

    Nothing said about Nasty rival either for the record.

    Most UA fans are first class that I’ve dealt with over the years ,as long as nothing Auburn is involved. This is likely the exception.

    I also placed my own school(UT) into the same narrative if they are trying to force Missouri into the east against Slive’s better Judgement.

    So in short take off the “Crimson blinders” and grow up.

    Should be better pursuits with your time.

    Along the lines of trying to figure out after that Nov 5 defeat, if you can still falsely claim another non existent Mythical National championship.

    What would that be now 15?


  31. atl14dat says: Oct 16, 2011 1:54 PM

    Just read your missive above wallowing if Crimson pity.

    I have no idea your age or involvement with this series but I’m 49 years old and have seen this matchup 23 times covering from 1969-2010.

    This year will be my 24th in the series.

    I hope it stays, I have a deep sense of the Historical significance of the Series.

    That said though just like the Oklahoma/Nebraska matchup fell by the wayside and the Aggie, Horns will likely be joining that list in short order,

    If this series doesn’t get played yearly the SEC will roll right along and the Sun will still rise in the east.

    So you are not the only wise old soul here that understands the history and tradition of SEC football.

    Have a good day. No further comments from me.

  32. Deb says: Oct 16, 2011 2:38 PM

    @alt14dat …

    Honey, you made three separate posts saying you are only concerned about what’s best for the conference rather than the individual self-interests of your team like Alabama. Subtleties aside, you made your point. And made it. And made it. I’m not big on mincing words. If my straightforwardness bothers you, too bad. It’s a football blog, not a tea party (where you probably picked up that “strawman” rhetoric).

    No need for me to wallow in self-pity, either. Missouri hasn’t committed to the SEC, and the SEC hasn’t issued an invitation. This is all speculation. The one thing we know is that nothing will happen unless all SEC founding schools agree.

    Yes, your maturity and warm fuzzy feelings about Alabama were evident in that bit about us losing to LSU on November 5 and claiming more nonexistent championships. LOL You can always tell a wise old soul by her rampant jealousy and semi-coherent temper tantrums. 😀

    I’m not given to wearing blinders on anything and call things as I see them. Whether or not you choose to continue commenting is up to you. But I’ve been a CFT regular for a long time, and I’m not going anywhere.

  33. atl14dat says: Oct 16, 2011 3:21 PM

    I’ll be around also.

    Just not going to comment about the whole Missouri to what SEC divison speculation.

    Will just agree to disagree.

    Nothing about your bluntness or calling it like you see it bother me at all.

    Just the notion that Alabama’s needs take precedence over the Conference as a whole.

    They don’t.

    For the record, not all of the Founding Members have to vote” aye” on any team coming into the Conference just 9 of the 12 current founding or not.

    So to be factual instead of stating a wrong opinion(yours) as fact, No not all the founding members have to agree on any team being added to the SEC.

  34. Deb says: Oct 16, 2011 4:31 PM

    Well, alt14dat, now you’ve told us four times that that Alabama’s needs don’t take precedence over the whole conference. Thank you. Neither Alabama–nor I–have suggested that Bama’s needs should take precedence over the whole conference. But your repeated stressing that Alabama is trying to run the conference has been noted. And noted. And noted. And noted. :) My guess is that Tennessee will be as anxious as the Tide to preserve its rivalries with both Alabama and Florida.

    I wasn’t offering an opinion on the voting procedure, but was repeating what I understood the southernpatriots to say. They are usually well-versed in procedural matters, but I may well have misunderstood them.

    There’s no reason you shouldn’t comment on this issue whether or not we agree. We’re all just chatting here–nothing we say will have an impact on the outcome of these events. I’ve already admitted I have a completely selfish reason, which has nothing to do with preserving rivalries, for not wanting Mizzou and Bama in the same division. Separate from that, I believe preserving the rivalries is acting in the best interest of the conference. So is aligning Missouri with the stronger basketball schools if the travel times are nearly equal.

    Some of us have become great friends despite our team rivalries, and some of us scrap like alley cats. I enjoy baring my claws occasionally. (And on PFT, it’s a matter of survival.) But as a rule, it’s all in fun. Most of the time.

    Now excuse, me … time to do battle with the pro fans 😉

  35. dcroz says: Oct 16, 2011 6:16 PM

    You have to keep in mind that if Alabama were the only team objecting to Missouri coming into the West, then there would be no controversy about it. It only takes 9 out of 12 school presidents to agree to extend an invitation to join, so clearly there is more than just ‘Bama that has concerns. I’ve heard that Florida, for example, does not want Mizzou in the East because of the large travel time involved (about 2.5 hours by air, and too far for a day-long road trip for fans). And as also mentioned about ‘Bama and true for others, not everyone is crazy about Missouri as the 14th team in the first place.

    I really want to see the SEC as a 14-team league next year or to find some way for to hold A&M off for one year; I have no desire to see the nightmare schedule that 13 teams would create, but I also want it to be something that everyone can live with. And while Missouri would be a solid addition to the league, there are “sexier” teams out there that I’d like to see heavily courted first before a final decision is made.

  36. Deb says: Oct 16, 2011 6:59 PM

    @dcroz …

    What “sexier” teams would you like to court and why?

    I’m still not at all convinced Missouri wants to be in the SEC. They’re doing a lot of posturing, but I’m not sure how genuine it is.

  37. fratlawyer says: Oct 16, 2011 7:03 PM

    Virginia Tech would be my number one choice, if they could be wooed away from the ACC. Solid program, geographically logical, new TV market, good cultural fit… and how much fun would it be to have an annual Tennessee-Virginia Tech showdown at Bristol Motor Speedway?

  38. southernpatriots says: Oct 16, 2011 7:09 PM

    fratlawyer: What a great game and venu to consider! ha. What fun!

  39. southernpatriots says: Oct 16, 2011 7:40 PM

    dcroz: We are not sure about the genuine determined interest of Missouri to join the SEC. We would want them to have a 100 year plan for their membership in the SEC as the president of A & M says they have.

    Also, though the rule book says 9 out of 12, in reality it is not that. NO, mark it NO original founding member of the SEC will support something another original founding member does not want. Objection from one member has resulted in a disapproval or no vote at all.

    In the Texas A & M situation Vanderbilt wanted to oppose. Other original members reminded Vanderbilt that if they opposed the admission of A & M then A & M would not be invited because enough of them would make sure they voted with Vanderbilt against A & M so that A & M would not be approved.

    Vanderbilt was then asked if they wanted their objection to result in the rejection of A & M? Vanderbilt did not want that to occur, so it was all agreed that Vanderbilt would “obstain” and not object. They did. The vote was unanimous. If the vote is not unanimous, a new member will not be approved.

    It reminds us of the US Senate. All it takes there is one Senator to object and cause their business to be slowed to a snail’s crawl and in all practicality stopped. A similar thing is the practical manner at which the SEC operates. If it is not unanimous, there will not be another member.

  40. Deb says: Oct 16, 2011 8:31 PM

    @fratlawyer …

    Good suggestion! I’d love to bring back Georgia Tech purely for the historic ties. But Georgia would likely object and the Yellow Jackets wouldn’t expand our television footprint.

    @southernpatriots …

    Thank you for clearing up the procedural confusion 😀

  41. dcroz says: Oct 16, 2011 9:28 PM


    No offense to your alma mater, but while Mizzou does bring solid basketball and baseball traditions (and AAU membership, which the ivory-tower types require) we all know that football is what is driving this train, and the Tigers just are not as exciting as other candidates in that regard. Teams like Clemson, Florida State, and Virginia Tech would bring more excitement; it is unlikely any of those would come, however, either from lesser competition in the ACC than the SEC or from SEC schools in their state objecting to bringing them in. Maryland has also been suggested, as they would bring the Baltimore and Washington markets into play.

    Truth is, Missouri may get the bid from the SEC because they do bring a lot with them, but it may also be because there are really no other better schools out there that would come (and that includes teams like Memphis and West Virginia that are practically begging to get in).

  42. Deb says: Oct 16, 2011 11:18 PM

    @dcroz …

    No offense taken. I invested in a top-flight journalism education, and Missouri’s reputation in that regard is safe.

    Just wasn’t sure what you meant by “sexier.” How refreshing–you’re actually talking about football!! Lately when I talk about football, everyone else talks about TV markets and ancillary sports programs. In my world, the only sport is football and I really don’t care about extending TV markets. My only unbending requirement for admission to the SEC is that schools be Southern. (Silly me.) That means we limit admission to schools within the 13 states that signed the secession order. Sorry, West Virginia. As for Memphis … well, bless their hearts. They were home to Elvis–that’s honor enough.

    Yes, I’d love to see us look at FSU, Georgia Tech, and Clemson as well as Virginia Tech. But my understanding is that Alabama, Tennessee, and Mississippi can have two schools per state, but Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina will wet their pants if forced to share. The reasons for this escape me.

  43. Deb says: Oct 16, 2011 11:19 PM

    Oh, but dcroz … Alabama is the only school that acts in its own interest. I’m sure when South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida refuse to share, they’re just doing it for the good of the conference. 😀

  44. kfwokc says: Oct 18, 2011 8:04 AM

    I’m sorry that you SECers are getting a crummy Big8/Big12 school like Missouri (and A and M). As a Sooner sick of Texas, I wouldn’t mind going west to the PAC 12 or east to the SEC. OU has a history of men’s basketball, football and baseball championships and women’s softball and basketball as well as dominating the last decade in men’s Gymnastics. I would love to see us compete in the SEC. Plus, my 2 oldest children became Gators when I was stationed at Ft Walton Beach ( a sad year for them). Anyway, you will find Missouri and A and M mostly cellar dwellers with an occasional shocking upset.

  45. southernpatriots says: Oct 18, 2011 9:58 AM

    kfwokc: Though we do not agree with your assessment of Texas A & M and of Missouri, being a fan of Oklahoma, we understand.

    Thank you for your interest in the SEC. Your favorite team, the Oklahoma Sooners. has received communication from our SEC President Slive to join the SEC. He had a trip to Norman last year and communicated again with the administration of Oklahoma again about one month ago. To this point David L. Boren, the president of Oklahoma has not reciprocated and shown any interest in joining the SEC.

    We have numerous friends in Oklahoma in OKC, Norman, Pauls Valley, Muskogee, Idabell, Ada, etc. We truly enjoy our trips there almost yearly. The people there are so friendly and extremely nice to us. They all love our Cajun cooking and have introduced us to “noodlin’”. We have hunted/fished for alligators in the swamps of Louisiana and that is done with high test lines and guns. Noodlin’ is done with your fingers!!! Now that is crazy!! Ha.

    Over the past months we have pursued the LSU Athletic Department to schedule Oklahoma as soon as possible on their football OOS schedule. Our AAD began communications with Oklahoma and they finally agreed to field on field games. On Sept. 15 Sat in Norman at Gaylord Memorial Stadium 2018; and on Sept. 21 at Deaf/Death Valley LSU, Baton Rouge 2019. By the time those dates arrive, due to huge interest and fan support the venues may be changed to Jerry’s World in Arlington/Dallas.

    Each time in the past that Oklahoma has faced an SEC team in the BCS NC it has lost…2003 to LSU 21 – 14; 2008 to Florida 24 – 14. Facing the year in and year out gauntlet of the SEC schedule would toughen OK and get the team ready to win the next level, not just be in the game.

    If you wish Oklahoma to be in the SEC we suggest that you communicate those wishes to Dr. David L.Boren, president, Evans Hall Room 110, 660 Parrington Oval, Norman, OK 73019-3073. We wish you all the best and all success!

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