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ACC to Notre Dame: No partial membership for you!


There was a rumor circulating for the past couple of months (in conference realignment? Shocking.) that Notre Dame might abandon the Big East in all non-football sports and hop on to the ACC bandwagon, leaving football to still remain as an independent.

Even if there was any truth or interest at all from Notre Dame in doing so, ACC commissioner John Swofford just shot it down in a matter of a few seconds.

We’re an all-in, revenue-equal conference,” Swofford said during ACC basketball media day. “That’s very basic to us. That’s what works for us. … I think going forward we will continue to consider equal revenue sharing and full membership or no membership (important) in our conference. I don’t see that changing. ”

Neither do we, if for nothing else asking Notre Dame to join a conference in football is, well, unrealistic to say the least. The Golden Domers have a sweet deal with the BCS and would only join a conference if that inclusion came into jeopardy. When the BCS votes in 2013 over membership, there’s no reason to believe Notre Dame won’t be part of the group.

(Quotes courtesy of David Teel at the Newport Daily Press) 

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31 Responses to “ACC to Notre Dame: No partial membership for you!”
  1. quizguy66 says: Oct 20, 2011 11:40 AM

    So the B1G is back in the lead of the “whenever Notre Dame decides to join a conference” pack it looks like. :shrug:

    Good for the ACC for sticking up for their way of doing things though, a B1G fan like me can appreciate that :)


  2. joshuavkidd says: Oct 20, 2011 11:43 AM

    He’s a reason to believe ND wouldn’t get the easy bid they currently have… “THEY STINK” and have for awhile.

  3. lbijake says: Oct 20, 2011 11:46 AM

    Sorry ND, but Temple has decided to join the ACC, if the will raise their academic standards. Otherwise, Temple will probably opt for the Ivy League.

  4. brucewaynewins says: Oct 20, 2011 12:26 PM

    I feel the best natural fits for Notre Dame is to remain as is or to join the B1G. Personally I don’t see their non football schools helping out the B1G or any conference.

    If they joined a conference I don’t believe it will be about their BCS inclusion.

    Assuming they win a bowl do they split the money with Big East or keep it all? Does that even matter when they rarely make it let alone win a BCS bowl? If they go to a conference it’ll be to get more money which the B1G certainly would give them. I believe the B1G schools make between $20 and $25 million each annually from the current tv contract and that’s before Nebraska joined. I’d assume soon that amount will increase and if Notre Dame joined it would rise again. I forget what they currently make but I know its less then Purdue and Indiana make from TV.

  5. 305fan says: Oct 20, 2011 12:59 PM

    Can anyone remember the last time ND went to a major bowl game? What’s going to happen when the conference alignments come to an end, and ND is left out of any of the 4 Big conferences? They better crap or get off the pot. The clock is ticking.

  6. brucewaynewins says: Oct 20, 2011 1:10 PM

    Notre Dame will at some point do as all schools do and realize they are missing out on revenue.

    When you (Notre Dame) make less annual TV money than every single BCS school in your state (Purdue and Indiana) you know you’re doing something wrong.

  7. itchynut606 says: Oct 20, 2011 1:46 PM

    I don not think Notre Dame is worried to much about just TV money as you put it … They are doing just fine when it comes to overall revenue generated by the football program. They can do this because of their independence.

  8. mhalt99 says: Oct 20, 2011 1:46 PM

    Very good opportunity for another conference to pick up Notre Dame athletics. While Notre Dame will not need to join for football in the near future, a smart conference may be able to work out a deal where Notre Dame will play them in football on a 1 at home 1 on the road basis instead of a 2 or 3 for 1.

    Seems like a win win.

  9. brucewaynewins says: Oct 20, 2011 2:01 PM

    I was not implying they are worried about all revenue. I was talking about TV revenue. They will never catch up to the better paid conferences in TV money.

  10. rowbear says: Oct 20, 2011 2:02 PM

    Notre Dame won’t join a conference as long as they have NBC backing them. There’s no reason to change, but if NBC realizes that ND is not a money maker, they will cut them loose and ND will be on it’s own. I believe ND could make more money joining pretty much any conference at this point, but their Irish pride or whatever won’t allow that.

    Regardless of whether it’s a good fit or if the Irish would have joined, I’m glad the ACC said it won’t happen. I wish the Big 10 would say the same thing since they’ve already gone to 12 teams.

    What I would love to see happen is for the Big East to kick ND out. Geno is right, if ND had joined the BIg East in football, that conference would be much different today.

    Bottom line is NBC won’t drop the Irish and therefore the Irish won’t join a conference.

  11. auburntigers34 says: Oct 20, 2011 2:07 PM

    “While Notre Dame will not need to join for football in the near future, a smart conference may be able to work out a deal where Notre Dame will play them in football on a 1 at home 1 on the road basis instead of a 2 or 3 for 1.

    Seems like a win win.”

    say what? who cares if they can get Notre dame on their schedule….especially if it’s in a scenario like the one that you presented? screw Notre dame. it’s not like they’ve been relevant for the last couple of decades or so.

  12. deadeye says: Oct 20, 2011 2:25 PM

    I don’t begrudge ND for doing what they believe to be is in their best interest. But it would be hilarious if their intense desire to remain independant ended up costing them a position in the B1G, and that in turn leaves them out of the National Championship hunt going forward.

    If more dominoes fall in realignment resulting in 16 team conferences, the Irish will be on the outside looking in.

  13. overratedgators says: Oct 20, 2011 3:48 PM

    No Soup Nazi picture to accompany that headline, Ben?

  14. paulbrownsrevenge says: Oct 20, 2011 4:14 PM

    Dead on. If the conference’s expand to 16(bad idea), Notre Dame will be screwed. They will lose all their rivaalry games because no team in a 16 team conf will want to schedule anything but cupcakes outside of league play.

    I work with a few Irish fans that think Notre Dame will join the B1G when the time is right.

  15. florida727 says: Oct 20, 2011 5:22 PM

    This is actually a pretty interesting dynamic.

    Notre Dame makes money from their NBC TV deal (obviously), as well as the other common sources that all schools do (ticket sales, concessions, logo-ed merchandise, etc.). Plus the big $$$ source: booster contributions.

    So where does the TV revenue rank in terms of importance to them?

    If they continue to perform as they have in recent years, when the current contract expires, what happens if NBC doesn’t renew? Is their fan base loyal enough to make the NBC ratings a win-win from NBC’s perspective? (Probably.) And ‘deadeye’ brings up a good point. If the rest of the country moves closer toward the so-called “super conferences”, how many traditional rivalries will ND lose?

    Do they HAVE TO join a conference eventually?

  16. rockiemtnhigh says: Oct 20, 2011 6:32 PM

    ND will not join the B1G. Too localized for their tastes. At least the ACC covers everywhere from New England to Florida. That is a lot of alumni and recruits. If Mizzou goes to the SEC, the Big 12 has to pull 3 teams which probably means BYU, Louisville, and WVA. If ND has any self-respect, and I say this as an ND fan, they have to move to the ACC in all sports. The Big East will be a joke of a conference in all sports and Swarbrick is smart enough to know that he is the Athletic Director for all sports, not just football.

  17. halo81 says: Oct 20, 2011 8:29 PM

    The Notre Dame haters are hilarious in here.

    They stink? Yeah, terrible.

    11 National Championships for the football team, 14 National Championships for the other teams, dominant women’s sports; which are becoming more popular and oh yeah, their own TV contract.

    The fact is you’re all groveling at the teet praying the Irish come to your little conferences while saying you hate them so much. Every single freaking one of you.

    The only conferences worthy are the B1G and the ACC since they’re the only ones that actually take academics seriously.

    The rest are all jokes with your 40-percent graduation rate schools.

  18. auburntigers34 says: Oct 20, 2011 9:34 PM

    halo81, how long has it been since Notre Dame won a NC?

    the Big 10 is the only conference that would bend over to get them. if you think that the SEC (or even a conference like the ACC)wants or needs them, you’re kidding yourself. but with Notre dame’s record over the last 20-30 years, do whatever it takes to convince yourself that the rest of the country gives two rips about Notre Dame.

  19. BadaBingBadaBama says: Oct 20, 2011 9:54 PM

    Notre Dame is and always has been an elite program. They don’t seem to understand the new order of college athletics and where they fit.

    If they choose to ignore the changing times and the need to get into a conference then they will be left further in the “dust”.

  20. paulbrownsrevenge says: Oct 20, 2011 10:57 PM

    Notre Dames record over the past 20-30 years ins’t bad, they just have not won a title since 88′. People bash Notre Dame because they are one of the most storied programs in college football history, so when they don’t live up to the gold standard, everyone attacks them.

    Some people say if Lou Holtz wouldn’t have lowered academic standards for football players in his era, they would have not been able to compete at a high lever. Bettis, Waters, etc, were guys they made an exception for.

  21. paulbrownsrevenge says: Oct 20, 2011 11:10 PM

    Clearly the best football players aren’t good students. Most great football players are so good, because football is all they care about. Just like great students are often “book smart”, but can be criticized for not having common sense, or be comfortable in a work enviorment.

    With that being said, the SEC clearly is the best Football conference. Academic standards are lower to land top talent. Top talent doesn’t want to worry about making grades. So the SEC will continue do dominate on the field, but it’s players are just that and that only, players.

    It’s not every guy. I get that. The Tebow’s, Mannings, and David Pollacks will always be outnumbered by the Janoris Jenkins, Jordan Jefferson’s, and Janzen Jackson’s of the world in that conference. I’m not sure you can say that about other conferences. The SEC only had 2 AAU members prior to they’re addition of A&M. The BigTen only has one member who isn’t an AAU member.

  22. paulbrownsrevenge says: Oct 20, 2011 11:17 PM

    I watch SEC football for the record. The product on the field is clearly superior at this point in time. Also at this current time in our country HS graduation rates are falling, more and more countries are graduating more doctors and engineers than we are. So watching SEC football shows you where we are as a society.

    Our priorities are all out of sorts. I’m as guilty of being consumed by this sport as anyone else. I just remember when the academic part of college football meant a little more. I remember when People took pride in what the football players they looked up to became outside of football.

  23. monkeyneck says: Oct 21, 2011 1:02 AM


    Jordan Jefferson, despite his poor judgement at the bar in August, is actually a very good student. Look it up.

  24. pastabelly says: Oct 21, 2011 10:02 AM

    Why did Swofford have to come out with a statement?

  25. polegojim says: Oct 21, 2011 11:54 AM

    @rockiemtnhigh – do you live under a rock?
    B1G is too ‘localized’? NOT- but obviously, you are.

    B1G is done courting the Irish – their academics are far below conference levels and this snub only pissed them off.

    ND knew that the B1G wouldn’t even ponder this ‘part timer’ deal, so they went to the ACC thinking they’d wet all over themselves just to have ND grace their conference. Good on you ACC, that was a total dis by ND.

    ND is no longer a priority or a goal. They’re starting to smell a LOT like Texas. Maybe those two can create their own conference. I could be called the ‘Big Headed Two’.

  26. bozosforall says: Oct 21, 2011 5:34 PM

    Using the term “B1G” is L@ME. And no one who really cares about top-flight athletics give a rip about whether or not the players are “book smart” or not. The only ones who care are those whose teams can’t beat a conference like the SEC. Which is why those loser fans always fall back on the “academic rankings” of the schools in their second-best conference.

  27. waynefontes says: Oct 21, 2011 8:18 PM

    halo81 says:
    Oct 20, 2011 8:29 PM
    The Notre Dame haters are hilarious in here.

    They stink? Yeah, terrible.

    11 National Championships for the football team, 14 National Championships for the other teams, dominant women’s sports; which are becoming more popular and oh yeah, their own TV contract.

    The fact is you’re all groveling at the teet praying the Irish come to your little conferences while saying you hate them so much. Every single freaking one of you.

    The only conferences worthy are the B1G and the ACC since they’re the only ones that actually take academics seriously.

    The rest are all jokes with your 40-percent graduation rate schools.


    The true mark of a football program that really sucks is when you start talk talking about

    1) Academics (save that for the quiz bowl board)
    2) How good the school is in women’s sports

    Seriously? That’s the best you have?

    Notre Dame is terrible. Hope you enjoyed those titles since it’s been over 20 years since the Irish have won one.

    Their time in the sun has passed.

    The SEC isn’t praying for Notre Dame to join, although they could use another Vanderbilt.

    Notre Dame wouldn’t finish .500 in the SEC.

    Then again, they have enough problems finishing .500 as it is… hahahaha.

  28. norcalirish says: Oct 22, 2011 6:20 AM

    The ignorance in this thread is astounding, and actually pretty funny. I love the people who prattle on for 10 lines saying that nobody cares about ND, or that we’re irrelevant, etc as they get all heated and angry and post comment after comment. I mean, this SHOULD go without saying, but…to those posting all that aforementioned nonsense…YOU care. You care enough to comment on a team that you apparently don’t even follow. So, thank you for your interest. :)

    One of the other funny things I read was from polegojim…something about how ND joining the B1G wouldn’t happen because it’s academics were far below conference levels. Uh, what? Notre Dame is annually ranked in the top 15-20 universities in the country, and has been for years. In fact, I’m pretty sure that the only conference in which our academics would be lower than the majority of the schools would be the Ivy League. Simply put—academically, ND is one of the best universities in the world.

    That being said, the football has suffered lately. In fact, it’s been historically bad. (2008, my senior year, was the worst season in 120+ years). But going to, what, three BCS bowls (I forget, I only care about championships) and being a touchdown or so from another national championship during the last decade or so isn’t terrible…just terrible for US.

    So, while we’re down, feel free to kick us…but you’re a fool if you think we’re irrelevant—considering roughly 20% of the nation’s top recruits are gonna be in South Bend tomorrow. In the meantime I’ll keep enjoying the almost daily stories of ncca violations, redacted championships (and Heismans!) pay-for-play scandals and other nonsense that seems to keep coming out of the USCs, OSUs, Miamis, LSUs, Michigans, MSUs, Oregons and Floridas of the world. “Student-ath-o-leetes” indeed.

    Oh, and by the way…our new helmets are a retarded idea. Regardless…GO IRISH…now and forever.

  29. polegojim says: Oct 22, 2011 10:02 AM

    @norcalirish… Michigan will take our ‘practicing too much’ violation with pride.

    I hope ND continues to progress in on-field relevance. I truly enjoy it when the Irish are on top of their game. They’re not too far off now.

    In the meantime, ND should stop prissing around like conferences are just falling all over themselves for a glance or a dance. You’re pretty, but not THAT pretty.

    Be men about it, accept an invitation, move forward, and play well with others.

  30. irishjackmp says: Oct 22, 2011 10:49 AM

    The amount of anti-Notre Dame bias displayed by this author is laughable.

    Let’s see… Notre Dame has never shown the slighted interest in a partial membership in the ACC and yet the headline is “No partial membership for you!” with a large “Denied” graphic next to it.

    Sure, the ACC denied Notre Dame… you know, in the same way I denied Miss America wanting to date me. It’s clear the author wanted to take a shot at the Irish and I guess he simply had to invent a story (ACC denied ND!!!) to do it.

    For all the people who keep saying Notre Dame will need to join a conference with the changing landscape, please tell me… there are five teams they play every year (Michigan, Navy, Michigan State, Purdue and USC) and several others they “rotate” (Boston College, Air Force, Pitt, etc…) which of those teams is going to want to take ND off their non conference schedule? Furthermore, when was the last time you heard of ND calling up a school and asking for a home and home series and we denied?

    The bottom line is being in a conference is simply not in their best interest. They like to play a national Schedule (USC in the west, Mich and Mich state in the upper midwest, Navy in the east, etc..) and rotating other games. Being in a conference simply makes no sense for them.

  31. mountaineergirl says: Oct 26, 2011 7:17 PM

    I will only say one thing about ND. If they choose to remain independent, fine.. but it’s not right to come to every conference out there with their hands out looking for a set of keys to the conference penthouse for their women’s lacrosse, men’s swimming, and track and field teams. They find nothing wrong with taking bowl bids and appearances from the other Big East schools with ALL their athletics programs confined within the conference, yet they refuse to join based on the idea they’d have to share some of their money? Well then… take that money you make off baskeball and the other sports and keep it and stay out of the Big East or any other conference for that matter. You can’t have your cake and eat it too, ND. That’s the problem… you’ve been doing it for years and finally it’s time to man up. Either you join a conference and swallow your egos or you take everything independent. No one else out there does business the way you do so what makes you special? Answer? Not one single thing.

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