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KU hints rivalry would end if Mizzou leaves Big 12

Boder War

Every year but one since 1891, Missouri and Kansas have met on a football field, making the Border War the second-most played rivalry in college football.

After 119 games, however, that rivalry could be coming to an end.

Earlier Friday, Mizzou announced that its board of curators had given chancellor Brady Deaton autonomy in choosing the school’s conference future.  It’s believed Deaton will ultimately decide to pack the athletic program’s bags and leave the Big 12 for the SEC.

MU stated during the press conference that, even if they decide to leave the Big 12, they want to maintain a sports presence in Kansas City, including in football — i.e. playing Kansas at the home of the Kansas City Chiefs as they have the past five years.

Based on the words of KU’s athletic director, Mizzou can pretty much kiss the thought of continuing the rivalry anywhere goodbye if they leave the Big 12.  And should feel ashamed for abandoning its roots for good measure.

“KU-Missouri is a great rivalry,” Sheahon Zenger said in a statement. “The University of Kansas is a great Midwestern school, loyal to our Midwestern conference and to our Midwestern roots. The KU-Missouri rivalry belongs in the Big 12 Conference. Should Missouri decide to leave the Big 12, we would wish them well.”

Gee, Zenger didn’t use the word “Midwestern” three times in the span of a single sentence because Mizzou is likely headed to a Southeastern conference, did he?

The attempt at a guilt trip notwithstanding, it remains a widely-held belief that, at some point in the not-too-distant future, Mizzou will leave for the SEC.  Whether one of the oldest gridiron rivalries in the country will continue remains to be seen.  If Texas-Texas A&M is any indication as to how this would play out, however, I wouldn’t hold my breath.

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27 Responses to “KU hints rivalry would end if Mizzou leaves Big 12”
  1. deadeye says: Oct 21, 2011 6:46 PM

    Missouri would be crazy to stay in the BIG12 just to maintain the KU series when Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Auburn , TAMU, and Tennessee awaits. Get the money now Missou, jump off that sinking BIG12 ship, and figure out how to mend the KU relationship later. This move is about the future, not the past.

  2. djdvd says: Oct 21, 2011 6:47 PM

    Sounds like a whole bunch of hurt feelings to me. Seems to be par the course from the Big XII remains if you break away from UT’s teat.

  3. southernpatriots says: Oct 21, 2011 6:56 PM

    Big 12 teams such as KU and Texas are not acting “Big” at all, but are in fact, acting quite small. Texas said they could not continue the games and rivalry with Texas A&M which had been ongoing for over a hundred years. They can schedule other teams, but not A&M? Perhaps some saner minds in Texas can alter that attitude over the next year or two.

    Kansas apparently has the same type of attitude with a Midwestern twist. Kansas intimates that its Midwestern values must be preserved. In its way, Kansas hints (or rather tries to manipulate) to Missouri not to leave the Midwestern Big 12 under the threat that their rival game may not continue.

    We got it. It’s a Big 12 thing. We will kill over century old rivalries if our opponent goes to the SEC. What a message to announce. As our sainted mother used to say, “God bless their sweet little hearts!”

  4. sportsbastard says: Oct 21, 2011 7:07 PM

    Dear butt-hurt beakers, you need that game in KC much more than we do. (since nobody goes to games in that dilapidated armpit of a stadium in lawrence) We can always schedule southeast missouri st. instead. At least they might put a more competitive product on the field.

  5. Bo Darville says: Oct 21, 2011 7:19 PM

    Yeah, Kansas & Texas are cry babies for sticking to tradition. Just because Missouri and a & m can’t handle being less successful isn’t their fault. Too much estrogen in those institusions. Go be cannon fodder for the oversigners.

  6. lottsmissingfinger says: Oct 21, 2011 7:59 PM

    Fine, they can make 2-3 million more a season for never-ending 4th place finishes in an SEC division. They just have to admit they would be doing it for one reason and one reason only: money. Missouri will NEVER be competitive in SEC football and, instead of playing 2nd fiddle to UK (Kansas) basketball, they can take a backseat to UK (Kentucky) bball.

  7. corvusrex96 says: Oct 21, 2011 7:59 PM

    I don’t think Mizzou wants to leave but rather they don’t want to be left holding the bag when Texas and Oklahoma decide to leave the conference.

    Face it , it is going to happen and when it does KU, K-State, Iowa st, and Mizzou (if they are still there) will be screwed.

  8. sportsbastard says: Oct 21, 2011 8:18 PM

    To those that think Mizzou can’t compete in the SEC, you are being incredibly short-sighted (and absolutely inaccurate). This is a 100year decision that will serve the long-term best interest of the unversity.

    As to the poster above that mentions the “loyalty” of Texas and KU, give me a break… Texas is only loyal to the viability of TLN (and even tried to move it to the PAC before being rebuffed), KU is “loyal” due to lack of options.

    To quote a great modern poet, who could have been speaking to the way UT operates in any conference they have been associated (The SWC, and now the XII)

    “I’d rather die on my feet, than live on my knees..” -Notorious B.I.G., (and now University of Missouri)

  9. kcrobert10 says: Oct 21, 2011 8:22 PM

    Ku fans don’t hate because nobody wants you. Mizzou will be,fine in the sec. I agree at some point ou and Texas are bolting for greener pastures and who ever is left in the big 12 may be outta luck as to major college invites. My guess ku kst get big 10 invites once they get tired of lossing money and titles to the super sec. Ku football is a non factor the bball team wins championships about once every two decades in between u get to watch there over hyped team get beat by someone u never heard of. Have fun u lossers send us a postcard u can post to the sec ha ha ha!!!

  10. thefiesty1 says: Oct 21, 2011 8:27 PM

    Shame on you Kansas. When you field a competitive team, then you can talk about rivalries. Just keep your rivalry with KState. Whoops, I forgot, KU did get an Orange Bowl game a few years back and if I’m not mistaken, after losing to Missouri.

    This is just as bad as Baylor threatening to sue if A&M left for the SEC. Baylor didn’t have a leg to stand on and neither does Kansas if (when) Missouri leaves.

  11. waynefontes says: Oct 21, 2011 8:29 PM

    Hmmmm… being in a wealthy conference that shares revenue equally and is actually stable (3 teams have left the Big 12 in the last year alone)

    or…..

    a game with Kansas.

    Georgia plays Tech, Florida plays the Seminoles, South Carolina plays Clemson, USC plays Notre Dame, Iowa plays Iowa State every year….

    Not that hard to work out.

    Kansas isn’t the best football team in the state of Kansas. That’s an epic fail of Jayhawk football proportions.

  12. deadeye says: Oct 21, 2011 8:39 PM

    “Yeah, Kansas & Texas are cry babies for sticking to tradition. Just because Missouri and a & m can’t handle being less successful isn’t their fault. Too much estrogen in those institusions. Go be cannon fodder for the oversigners.”

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    “Sticking to tradition” would, by definition, mean continuing to schedule their old rivals which they have chosen to not do. Besides, don’t you remember the PAC-12 rejected UT, OU, OSU, and Texas Tech? Tradition was being thrown out the window when those four were toying with moving into the PAC.

    Missouri’s and TAMU’s fortunes are on the rise, and the rest of the BIG12 knows it. The poor suckers left in that shell of a conference will need to jump ship soon to prevent their fortunes from going down the drain.

  13. deadeye says: Oct 21, 2011 8:50 PM

    “Fine, they can make 2-3 million more a season for never-ending 4th place finishes in an SEC division. They just have to admit they would be doing it for one reason and one reason only: money. Missouri will NEVER be competitive in SEC football and, instead of playing 2nd fiddle to UK (Kansas) basketball, they can take a backseat to UK (Kentucky) bball.”

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    I don’t see what’s wrong with switching conferences to increase stability and revenue. Missouri’s responsibility is to itself, not to Texas and Kansas. The “it’s about money” argument is for losers.

    So Missouri will never compete in the SEC? Ok, let’s take that assumption and see how the traditional bottom dwellers in the SEC are doing:

    Arkansas: 10-3 record in 2010 with a BCS bowl appearance.

    Kentucky: 5 bowl appearances with 3 wins in the last 5 seasons

    Mississippi State: Beat Michigan 52-14 in the 2011 Gator Bowl

    Vanderbilt: won a bowl game in 2008, and currently 4-3 in conference

    Ole Miss: 8-1 in bowl games since the 1992, won both 2009 and 2010 Cotton Bowl

    South Carolina: Won the SEC East last season and are currently on pace to do so this season

    The SEC tide lifts all the competitors in the conference. Missouri doesn’t have to win the SEC to thrive, the bottom six are proving that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

  14. harleyspoon says: Oct 21, 2011 9:27 PM

    Missouri is the one acting “quite small” for taking so long to get this thing done. All they have to do is declare their independence, leave the Big 12 and take their chances….like BYU has done…

  15. harleyspoon says: Oct 21, 2011 9:31 PM

    Deadeye…How has Vanderbilt played 7 games in conference when they have only played 7 games total? Have they not played any non-conference games? You better check your claims….As if Miss State beating Michigan is a big deal….Who hasn’t been beating Michigan lately?

  16. harleyspoon says: Oct 21, 2011 9:37 PM

    Actually, under the current contract TV contract with ESPN, the the ten teams, including Missouri will get $20 million this year now that the teams have agreed to give their Tier One revenues to the conference for equal division. Plus, when the FOX contract is renewed, the teams will share even more….and that combination will probably match what Missouri will get in the SEC…..

  17. deadeye says: Oct 21, 2011 9:39 PM

    “Deadeye…How has Vanderbilt played 7 games in conference when they have only played 7 games total? Have they not played any non-conference games? You better check your claims….As if Miss State beating Michigan is a big deal….Who hasn’t been beating Michigan lately?”

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    Thanks for pointing that out harleyspoon, you are correct. Vandy isn’t 4-3 in conference but will be 4-3 overall if they defeat Army this weekend. They are generally the weakest team in the conference and for them to be over .500 this deep into the season is pretty good.

    As for beating Michigan, I know they are down big time. But Mississippi State has been considered a laughing stock for much of their history. Winning a bowl game is the bigger deal for them, not that it was Michigan.

  18. illnevertellyou says: Oct 21, 2011 10:17 PM

    Judging by this little tool, it looks like Mizzou could use the money more. Have fun with mediocrity in the SEC without your KU cash cow.

    http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial_reports/

  19. smartbutlazy says: Oct 21, 2011 10:54 PM

    Die hard KU homer here. If MU leaves, fine. If MU stays, fine. I would hate to see this series end, the rivalry and true hatred will never end. Being in separate conferences would limit the meaning of the game but doesn’t mean that it should end. I would definitely think KU could no longer agree to play all games in KC if MU leaves, but I would still be all for booing MU every other year in Lawrence.

  20. burntorangehorn says: Oct 21, 2011 11:08 PM

    deadeye, Texas didn’t choose to not schedule aggie; aggie made that decision. Texas has filled up its non-conference schedule between now and 2018. Do you really think they should breach contracts just so aggie can play their super bowl?

  21. kwelling says: Oct 21, 2011 11:27 PM

    Too funny. Mizzou got turned down by the B1G and are now going to the SEC to try to have new success since they have zero major championships in the Big XII since its formation.

    Good luck with that.

  22. deadeye says: Oct 21, 2011 11:33 PM

    “deadeye, Texas didn’t choose to not schedule aggie; aggie made that decision. Texas has filled up its non-conference schedule between now and 2018. Do you really think they should breach contracts just so aggie can play their super bowl?”

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    Good question. Let me ask this in return: if the BIG12 only expands back to 10 teams (as has been rumored), wouldn’t that free up at least one slot in the schedule?

    If Texas is locked in, and that’s the only thing preventing a matchup with TAMU, then I would expect Texas to attempt to schedule TAMU when the schedule frees up after 2018. Additionally, if the conference schedule goes down by a game, then the oportunity will be there for UT and TAMU to play prior to 2018.

    Maybe your right and they have no choice. We’ll have to see how the rest of the conferences and schedules shake out before we know for sure if UT is just saying that, or if they really would like to resume the rivalry.

  23. normswifevera says: Oct 22, 2011 2:05 AM

    Kansas and Missouri still have a rivalry? Didn’t Missouri lose that one when slavery was abolished?

  24. tmb333 says: Oct 22, 2011 9:09 AM

    kwelling says:Oct 21, 2011 11:27 PM

    Too funny. Mizzou got turned down by the B1G and are now going to the SEC to try to have new success since they have zero major championships in the Big XII since its formation.

    Good luck with that.
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    I love the uninformed. Mizzou never applied for membership in the B1G. You can’t apply without conditionally withdrawing from the B12.

    There is just far too much jealousy. The SEC is the best conference in the country in all sports. Football drives this decision but other non-revenue sports will see two perks…better competition and more revenue.

    Mizzou will withdraw Monday and be accepted in the SEC prior to the A&M game. Just think, an SEC conference game that looks like a B12 game.

    Good for Mizzou. To bad KU, KSU, ISU can’t get out to stick it to Texass too.

  25. stairwayto7 says: Oct 22, 2011 10:32 AM

    Kansas and Missouri have a rivaly?

  26. tigersgeaux says: Oct 22, 2011 10:44 AM

    stairwayto7: Yes, a rivalry, not a rivaly. but learning to read is fundamental and a mind is a terrible thing to waste…

    “Every year but one since 1891, Missouri and Kansas have met on a football field, making the Border War the second-most played rivalry in college football…”

  27. kwelling says: Oct 22, 2011 11:22 PM

    I love the uninformed. Mizzou never applied for membership in the B1G. You can’t apply without conditionally withdrawing from the B12.

    There is just far too much jealousy. The SEC is the best conference in the country in all sports. Football drives this decision but other non-revenue sports will see two perks…better competition and more revenue.

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    Mizzou never has applied, but they certainily have made it public knowledge not once, but twice that they want to join the B1G. Nebraska got the invite instead last time. This time the invite never came.

    I wouldn’t say the reaction is jealousy. Who would be envious of your team getting its head kicked in every year? Mizzou can’t compete in the Big XII.

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