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Hogs still maintain shot at SEC title game berth

Lost amid the hoopla surrounding the LSU-Alabama matchup Saturday night was another Top-Ten tilt involving a pair of SEC teams.

Thanks to No. 7 Arkansas’ win over No. 9 South Carolina, the Razorbacks have slipped into a virtual second-place tie with Alabama in the SEC West — the Tide at 5-1, the Hogs at 4-1. It’s long been assumed, though, that the representative from the West in the SEC championship game would come from either LSU or Alabama. Although that might ultimately be the case, it’s not a foregone conclusion.

If Arkansas were to win out against Tennessee, Mississippi State and LSU… if Alabama wins their two remaining conference games versus Mississippi State and Auburn… if LSU loses to the Razorbacks but wins their other remaining conference game against Ole Miss, those three would be tied for first place and we would head to the SEC’s system for breaking three-way ties.  Here’s the step-by-step process the SEC would go about deciding the West’s representative in the title game.

1. (Once the tie has been reduced to two teams, go to the two-team tie-breaker format.)
As you will see, this will take awhile.

2. Combined head-to-head record among the tied teams.
Based on the scenario laid out above, each team would be 1-1 against the others.  Thus, we move on to No. 3

3. Record of the tied teams within the division.
Based on the scenario laid out above, each team would be 4-1 against West opponents.  Again, we move on to the next step of the tiebreaking process.

4. Head-to-head competition vs. the team within the division with the best overall (divisional and non-divisional) Conference record and proceeding through the division. Multiple ties within the division will be broken from first to last.
Based on the scenario laid out above, each team would be undefeated against Auburn, Mississippi State and Ole Miss.  So, let’s skip to No. 5.

5. Overall record vs. non-division teams.
Only Arkansas has a game against an East team left, so, again, based on the scenario laid out above, each team would be 3-0 against the other division.  You know the drill at this point…

6. Combined record vs. all common non-divisional teams.
Again, provided the Razorbacks beat the Vols next weekend, all three would be unbeaten against the lone common East opponent this year — Tennessee.  And again, we proceed to the next step in the process.

7. Record vs. common non-divisional team with the best overall Conference (divisional and non-divisional) record and proceeding through other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish within their division.
See any of the other steps that involve non-division records; all three would be unbeaten versus East teams.  So, we are down to the last step in the process, which involves everybody’s favorite system for determining a national champion.

8. The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the last weekend of regular-season games shall be the divisional representative in the SEC Championship Game, unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five-or-fewer places of the highest ranked tied team. In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the SEC Championship Game.
This is where it gets tricky for the Razorbacks.

Based on my interpretation of the eighth tiebreaker, which was subsequently verified by an SEC official, Arkansas would need to beat LSU and have both themselves and LSU — in any order as long as the Hogs are within five spots if behind the Tigers– finish higher than Alabama in the final regular season BcS rankings in order to become the West’s rep in the conference title game.  Arkansas’ loss to Alabama earlier this year necessitates both the Razorbacks and LSU finishing ahead of the Tide in that last set of BcS rankings before the start of the conference championship game.

Of course, this is all predicated on Arkansas going into Death Valley the final week of the season and beating LSU after winning their next two conference games.  If not?  This is all a moot exercise as LSU would skate to Atlanta in early December.

Provided the current No. 1 team in the country goes unscathed the rest of the way, of course.

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  1. woebegong says: Nov 7, 2011 8:18 AM

    I think you can pretty much say,that Arkansas will not go into LSU’s home and beat them. The only way I see LSU losing is, if they beat themselves by getting too big a head.
    I think most likely we will see Oklahoma and LSU in the BCS NC game. I don’t think Oklahoma States defense is good enough for them to beat Oklahoma, and I don’t see Standford going to Oregon and beating them in their home. Stanford’s defense, will not be able to handle Oregon’s speed.
    Boise State is a nice story but until they play a half strong whole year schedule against some good teams, it will not happen. The only reason they are considering the Big East, is the fact that they are, at least at present, an AQ conference. Another reason to tune up this whole BCS thing.

  2. southernpatriots says: Nov 7, 2011 8:59 AM

    JT: Thank you for presenting the SEC tie breaker in terms we can understand. It is all simple now…ha!


    We are thankful for our Coach Miles and his calm demeanor before, during, and after games which gives him a cool head to deal with adversity and situations which develop during the game. Miles is able to coach extremely well and keep LSU in contention and give them a chance to win.

    Watch the Alabama game again with slow mo and reverse as we did and see the calls which enabled LSU to remain even (certainly some missteps by Coach Saban and his kicking team, and by the way, why does Alabama with all its 5 star defensive linemen and offensive linemen, etc. not have at least a 3 star field goal kicker?)

    Arkansas has been great trouble to LSU the past years. Often LSU seems to overlook the Razorbacks toward a bowl game, having secured a berth in a bowl game by that time. AR is often playing for a berth in a bowl game and they really like beating LSU as well, so they are very motivated and often we lack motivation, focus, or something and the Razorbacks beat us. We hope this year will be different with much more on the line than just a bowl game for LSU.

    The Arkansas Razorbacks have a real good team. They have played themselves into the position of vying for the SEC championship, top 10 ranking, (and a possible tie breaker!) and other great recognitions and acolades. Any team that takes them lightly is practicing folly. They are real, as any of their opponents can attest.

  3. v2the4 says: Nov 7, 2011 9:49 AM

    the last four Arkansas/LSU games have all been decided by 8 points or less, including two one point games….Arkansas can compete with LSU because they have a passing game with speedy wideouts…and what was/is LSU’s main weakness? Arkansas will be the best passing offense that LSU will have seen since they played West Virginia in late September, and WVU put up 463 passing yards on them…

    it will be interesting to see what happens should it come down to a three way tie between Arky, LSU and Bama, and it will rival that cluster mess that the Big 12 had back in 2008 when Texas, Oklahoma and Texas Tech all went 7-1 in conference play and OU got the big 12 south title since they ranked one spot ahead of Texas in the BCS rankings that week, even tough Texas beat them head to head….stay tuned..

    as for how I think it will play out….I think LSU will win out, but lose in the SEC title game to Georgia….its happened before…LSU beat Tennessee in both 2001 when Tenn only had to win and play Miami in the national title game….

  4. Deb says: Nov 7, 2011 10:21 AM

    @southernpatriots …

    In fairness to our kickers … your three field-goals were from inside the 30. Our three misses were from the 44, 49, and 53. It was an issue, certainly, and I’m not happy about it. But I don’t think the game should fall on their shoulders.

    And Saban has always been a crazed Chihuahua on speed; it didn’t keep him from winning a couple of championships. He and Les just have very different personalities, but I don’t think Saban’s exploding head is an excuse for his bad decisions.

    Doesn’t matter if the long FG kicker had missed two, it was foolish to send the short kicker to make a long try that wound up being blocked. It was foolish to put Maze back to return punts and throw passes on a bad ankle. And you NEVER let the clock run out 52 seconds of regulation when you have two timeouts and can stop the clock on each first down. At least try to gain positive yardage and end the game without going into OT. Maybe your kicker will earn redemption. Obviously he was afraid of giving them a turnover, but still … play boldly!

  5. sssjim7 says: Nov 7, 2011 10:27 AM

    Hey, thanks! I was wondering about this… :)

    I would give Arkansas beating LSU about a 40% chance… the same as Auburn beating Alabama…

    If both happen, then Arkansas goes to the SEC championship game and both Alabama and LSU (3rd and 4th in SEC) will likely miss major bowls…

    That would shock everyone… but, alas, not really likely to happen…

    Oklahoma will likely beat OSU, Oregon will likely beat Stanford, Boise State will win out and in the end LSU will play Alabama again…

    But then again, that is why the games are played on the field and not in the comments section.

    Just my .02

  6. brutusbuckeye2011 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:45 AM

    It would not surprise me to see Ok St lose to OK and Stanford to lose to Oregon. I don’t expect LSU to lose to anybody. That leaves LSU, Houston and Boise as the only undefeateds. Houston will never get an invitation to a BCS bowl and poor Boise will be overlooked again for the championship game. Looks like it will be a rematch between LSU and Bama.

  7. lsuwes says: Nov 7, 2011 12:55 PM

    I don’t think it would be good for the BCS to have rematches in their bowl games. Too few teams get a shot at the top game(s) as it is. Rematches don’t settle anything and except for a few diehard fans they would only be successful at making more people mad than the current system already does.

  8. Deb says: Nov 7, 2011 1:35 PM

    lsuwes …

    It’s not about settling anything and it sure as heck isn’t about giving more teams chances (Is this kindergarten??? :roll: If you didn’t have LSU in your name, I’d swear you had to be another entitled Boise fan!) The National Title game is about putting the top two teams in the nation into an arena and seeing who’s best on the day. That’s what a National Championship is. Now I thought LSU and Alabama couldn’t meet in the title game. But if they can, that would be brilliant because if that game proved anything, it proved they’re the two most evenly matched teams in the nation.

    Who the heck cares if it makes people mad? Who would it upset? A bunch of little brats that play JUCO teams and think that should magically entitle them to a championship shot. Give them a lollipop and send them to bed. :roll:

  9. bikerhal says: Nov 7, 2011 2:10 PM

    . . . . . except that the two best teams in the nation already have played in the arena . . . . . so why a rematch? It is hard to beat any team twice. I recall the infamous “Billy Cannon Halloween run” that beat Ole Miss. But they rematched in the Sugar Bowl (IIRC) and Ole Miss won. Besides, a rematch would disgruntle the nation. On the good side though it might hasten the end of the BCS formula! Personally I would rather my Tigers play an undefeated OKS or Stanford than a rematch with Bama. :-)

  10. brutusbuckeye2011 says: Nov 7, 2011 2:17 PM

    This is a follow-up to my earlier post regarding LSU/Bama in the title game. One problem this presents is that you can’t have more than 2 teams from one conference in a BCS game. The rest of the SEC would have a fit.

  11. southernpatriots says: Nov 7, 2011 2:27 PM

    We understand Deb’s position. The BCS NC game is supposed to be between the top 2 teams in the nation. If that is the case, and if OK beats OK State, if Oregon beats Stanford, and if LSU and Bama play out without a loss, then wouldn’t the BCS folks put Alabama with its SOS and barely losing to LSU back again in the championship game over Boise State? This could get really interesting. Our hope and desire is that LSU and Alabama play out winning all the remainder of their games and then let us enjoy the show.

    Now, we understand there are alot of “ifs” in this scenario. We completely understand and agree with bikerhal’s position–it is almost impossible to defeat the same team twice in a season. LSU did this to Georgia a few years ago. Regular season and SEC championship game, we think it was. That is extremely hard to do. Ole Miss is a great example that bikerhal brings out. If it gets rid of the BCS formula, we just may be willing to allow our beloved Tigers to be used as guinea pigs.

  12. Deb says: Nov 7, 2011 2:39 PM

    @bikerhal …

    Don’t know if you guys watch the pros, but I’m a diehard Steelers fan. In 2008 and in 2010, my Steelers had to play their nemeses, the Ravens, twice in regular season and meet them again in the playoffs. In 2008, the third meeting was in the AFC title game. We swept that series–yeah, it’s hard to do and the Ravens are no pushovers. But we did it. In 2010, we split the regular season games and my Steelers took the divisional playoff. Last night, they swept the regular season set. Now we’re praying for that playoff rematch–but we’re not the only ones. Fans of a lot of other teams are posting that our games are their favorite rivalry because they’re such hard-fought, rock-’em-sock-’em battles.

    What’s wrong with real rivalries, great defenses, and exciting rematches? Are you folks nuts? That’s what football is all about? Roger Goodell can fine anyone he likes, but he can’t stop the Ravens and Steelers from being the Ravens and Steelers … which is why people love that game. Well, the bloody BCS shouldn’t be able to stop the two best teams in the country from busting heads in a championship game. And you shouldn’t want them to stop it.

    If Bama and LSU make it to the end with only this ONE three-point difference between them … WOW, what a rematch that would be!!

  13. blueinok says: Nov 7, 2011 5:41 PM

    I wouldn’t write of OK State – sure they have some tough games ahead, and fair or not, and could they or couldn’t they, the road to beating OU just got easier with the loss of Broyles for the rest of the season.

  14. bikerhal says: Nov 7, 2011 8:00 PM


    Oh yeah I watch the pros, and remember well the Ravens triple crown pulled off by them Steelers. That was some team that year. Quite a feat I must say.

    My Saints played the Rams back-to-back one year. The second game was the first round playoff game. We barely did it but we did win.

    Just a darn shame we don’t have a playoff system because this year it would provide for some really juicy matches!!!

  15. bikerhal says: Nov 7, 2011 8:03 PM

    Bluefin ok

    OK/OKS is one mean mother of a matchup and to those teams it will seem like the Bama/LSU game as far as what’s on the line.

  16. lsuwes says: Nov 7, 2011 10:43 PM

    My earlier post was not intended to imply that LSU and Bama are not the top two teams. However, the fact is that they have now played a head-to-head game. The real unanswered question is how one of the high-octane offensive teams would do against either LSU or Bama. The question has been at least partially answered by the LSU-Oregon game. Still, there is a good chance that OSU, Stanford, or Boise could remain unbeaten.

    Just looking at this from a realistic standpoint I think a BCS championship matchup between LSU (assuming they stay unbeaten, which is a good possibility but not a certainty) and one of those high-octane offense possibilities would help answer a lingering question.

    Also, Bama will almost certainly be in one of the other BCS bowls (if not the championship game) and they will likely face one of the offensive machines as well.

    Many people forget that both LSU and Bama have very good offenses that can run up a lot of points. Interestingly, the recent matchup seemed to show that the defenses hold a lot of trump cards. There was a little bit of offense here and there but when push came to shove the defenses and special teams were the difference. The time of possession was an even split, with Bama holding about an 8-second edge.

    Most of the high scoring teams don’t have very good defenses and I think this will prove to be their undoing when they face the top tier SEC defenses because they won’t be able to score their accustomed 50+ points. They will lose every game that they score less than 40 points in.

  17. Deb says: Nov 7, 2011 11:54 PM

    @bikerhal and lsuwes …

    What I wouldn’t give for a tournament playoff! To me the two teams in the championship game should be the two best teams. I don’t care about interesting matchups or proving anything to those offenses or any of that. I don’t care if both teams are in the SEC. It should just be the two best teams as determined by some kind of objective criteria. This is why college ball frustrates me so much.

  18. southernpatriots says: Nov 8, 2011 4:53 AM

    lsuwes: My family and I agree. Back in the spring practices, Coach John Chavis was putting the defense through its practices and other coaches were working with the special teams, and we could readily note the emphasis being given to the special teams and defense.

    My brother posted on various blogs after we watched several days of practice, that if LSU averaged 33 points a game, their Chavis defense ought to be able to hold any opponent below that total. Since that prediction, he has lowered the amount to about 25.

    With Allemand kicking the field goals and Wing holding, the defenses do not know what LSU may do, because Wing is a 14 year veteran of Aussie rules football and can run at any time. Allemand is very consistent. The smaller but faster LSU defensive linemen and linebackers did very well against the much larger Alabama offensive line. We think LSU and Alabama will do very well against any high octane offenses out there. They are familiar with the spread offenses, no huddle offenses, and similar.

    Once LSU and Bama beat the comers from lighter conferences this bowl season, these teams and others will get back to trying to get better defenses, because they will try to emulate the SEC to try to compete with us and try to break the hegemony we have on the BCS NC.

  19. stropcity says: Nov 8, 2011 5:46 AM

    Bama had their shot and couldn’t deliver. Personally, I believe Bama is better than Stanford, OU, OKState, and Boise. But how can two teams from the same conference play for all the marbles if they already played once? If they didn’t meet during the regular season that would be different, but they did. Can’t deprive Stanford or OU or OSU just because we THINK Bama is better.

  20. lsuwes says: Nov 8, 2011 11:18 AM

    Deb, et al ……

    The problem I see with a rematch in the championship game is that it really has a good chance of muddying the waters even more. If LSU beat Bama in a rematch you could legitimately say that they are the best team. If Bama wins the rematch you are now sitting there with each team having beaten the other one time and the team that wins the final game gets the trophy with the “series” tied.

    What kind of solution is that?

  21. Deb says: Nov 8, 2011 5:44 PM

    @lsuwes …

    You have a point, and since we lost to LSU in a fair fight on the field, I could certainly accept an undefeated Stanford or Oklahoma State meeting LSU in the Championship Game, even if we don’t lose another game. We had our shot and failed to make the plays when needed. But I’ll never never never accept Boise going to the Championship vs. LSU if we’ve lost only that one game, though. That would be a travesty for the sport. At least Stanford and OSU play in real conferences.

    If Bama and LSU did meet in the title game–which I don’t really think will happen–it would be about who won on that day. That’s the point of playoffs. The Ravens have swept my Steelers during the regular season, but I’m hoping we get a playoff rematch–and that we can crush their hopes when it will hurt the most. That’s the way the game is played. Post-season is where titles are decided 😀

  22. tide4life says: Nov 9, 2011 10:23 AM

    Deb: “but still … play boldly!”

    Indeed. 99% of the time, the only difference between a “bold” play and a “WTF?” play is whether or not that play succeeds.
    I don’t condone all the shiite that has fallen on Foster and Shelley for missing attempts from midfield.
    But, having no real animous toward the Razorbacks, I’ll be rooting for them. And I still know-and God knows, too- that was no interception.

  23. Deb says: Nov 9, 2011 10:51 AM

    @tide4life …

    LOL :)

  24. tigersgeaux says: Nov 9, 2011 11:55 AM

    tide4life & Deb:

    When the video of that play is watched in slo mo it reveals:

    1. the Alabama receiver did not have control of the ball in the air

    2. the LSU safety was wrestling for the ball during the time they were in the air

    3. The Alabama receiver never wrestled for the ball.

    4. the LSU safety took the ball away before they were on the ground.

    Based upon the ruling on the field, the video review, the reactions of the Alabama team and Coach Saban, and the subsequent viewing by everyone we know it WAS an interception. It was correctly called.

    Don’t suffer with delusions of a bad call deciding the game. Didn’t happen. Maybe some bad decisions of Saban may have well decided the game or LSU’s special teams, but not a referee decision.

    The LSU safety (Reid) had 6 tackles in the game, and that interception. Reid won the defensive player of the week in Louisiana, in the SEC, nation wide and is enterred into the final consideration of the defensive player of the year award.

  25. tide4life says: Nov 9, 2011 2:09 PM

    If Williams never had control, then neither did Reid. It don’t go both ways in the same second of eternity. You don’t wrestle for a dead ball. The ball did not change hands till both were down. Bad call So let it be written.
    But you keep drinkin’ that kool-aid if you want; just remember: God will call you to account on it someday.

  26. tigersgeaux says: Nov 9, 2011 3:13 PM

    That’s right little one. Nick Saban who was watching the play did not see anything wrong with the call, did not look surprised, nor did he or any other of this coaches express any surprise at the call.

    The video tape referees did not see anything wrong with the call. Coach Miles and his coaching staff were watching closely and they saw the play as the referee called it. All those we know who watched it on video tape at home did not see anything wrong with the call.

    Deb, a stalwart Alabama fan, who watched it when she returned home and then in slow motion did not see anything wrong with the call. But you, little one, who pretend to be on the right hand of God saw it differently than all of those and all of us.

    If you think Nick Saban and all his coaches missed an opportunity to protest, to object, write them a letter. If you think the video tape referee missed the call on tape, write him a letter. If you think the SEC in Birmingham needs to reverse the call, write them a letter. If you think Deb missed the call on her video playback let her know. You, little one, are right and all these people, including many who are trained for this, are wrong.

    Just remember, little one: God will call you to account on it someday.

  27. tide4life says: Nov 9, 2011 3:52 PM

    That’s right. I am. I have spoken to Oral Roberts, who has spoken to God. Dr. Roberts was saddened to learn that God is a Tide fan, and doesn’t care any more for Oklahoma than He does for LSWho, but He did confirm that there was no interception. Call Dr. Roberts yourself.
    On your head, tiggergoo. Where ya gonna run to, all on that day?

  28. tigersgeaux says: Nov 9, 2011 4:11 PM

    You’re a crack pot and a liar. Answer for that one day. You don’t even know Oral nor his son. And you certainly did not speak with him. But maybe you spoke with yourself. You are deluded. You must think you are God. Little one, you are not God, nor are you His Son.

    As Deb often posts to adolescents and ignorants who act the way you are acting:




  29. bikerhal says: Nov 9, 2011 7:54 PM

    Well, maybe God was making up for Patrick Peterson’s interception that was ruled an out-of-bounds catch two years ago. Breaks tend to even out, but I really think that while it was close the argument in favor of LSU that the receiver didn’t maintain possession is valid. The ball never touched the ground and the receiver did not have possession when he was touching the ground. Pivotal play, no doubt!

  30. tide4life says: Nov 9, 2011 8:13 PM

    Biker, God said he had nothing to do with that- it was also bad officiating and He doesn’t interfere with the recreational activities of His mortal children. Dr. Roberts also hinted that God is sometimes tempted to fling lightning at some easily-tweaked roadkill eater, but has never wasted such an awesome power on some humorless coona** who ain’t goin’ to heaven anyhow.
    This is fun. I just wish I’d realized earlier how easy it is to tweak you into a freak out. You should consider decaf.

  31. bikerhal says: Nov 9, 2011 8:23 PM

    Ha! Glad one of you finally admitted it! (and by the way, I actually have spoken to Pastor Roberts, and he never mentioned you)

  32. tide4life says: Nov 9, 2011 8:32 PM

    He’s old- he prob’ly don’t remember.
    Oh, and the freak-out I referred to was, ahem, not from you (YOU seem smart enough to grasp that). Some folks jes take they foo’ball way too seriously, and ain’t got a clue when their chains are being yanked. Over and over.

  33. bikerhal says: Nov 9, 2011 8:42 PM

    Wink wink!

  34. Deb says: Nov 10, 2011 10:07 AM

    Good grief!

    Since it got so many thumbs down, guess I need to clarify that in my last LOL to tide4life, I was laughing at his stubborness.

    The Bama receiver never had control of the ball. It’s not a catch unless you stop jostling the ball, get control, and maintain control all the way to the ground. Since the ball hadn’t hit the ground and the Bama receiver didn’t have control of it, technically, it was still in the air. Therefore, when Reid stripped it from the Bama receiver, it was “intercepted.” He came down with sole possession, making it LSU’s ball. That’s why you haven’t heard Saban questioning the call.

    If the Bama player had fought for the ball, maintaining a hold on it, the rule favors the offense and it would have been a reception. We may not like it, but it was a good call.

  35. southernpatriots says: Nov 10, 2011 10:22 AM

    Deb: Thank you. Thank you for clarity. That is exactly what we saw, though we had to review it several times on playback and then slow motion to make sure. The referees somehow have better vision than do we to see this play in live motion and come up with the correct call. I could never have been a referee. I don’t see that fast…ha.

    Coach Saban was asked about the matter by a reporter and he quickly replied, that it was a good call, a good play by the LSU safety.

    Reid the LSU safety, received SEC defensive player of the week and the Bronco Nagurski weekly award, we guess for his six tackles and that interception.

  36. tide4life says: Nov 10, 2011 11:35 AM

    Look at all the thumbs down . . . jeez, it don’t take much to make some folks vibrate like the bed in a cheap motel. Y’all need to dail it back a bit.

    But I’m still going with God on this one- y’all are on your own.

  37. Deb says: Nov 10, 2011 12:00 PM

    @tide4life …

    Well, I have fans who’ve told me they’ll thumbs-down anything I say … even when they agree with me LOL Never thought about it like that, but guess I just make them quiver all over 😉

  38. tide4life says: Nov 10, 2011 1:26 PM

    Some goobers is just like a dish of Jell-o; the slightest bump’ll set ’em all a-quiver. But no complaints, this is the most fun I’ve had all week. Thumbs-down don’t twist my knickers, but they are a good indicator of how much you get under some folks’ thin skin.

  39. Deb says: Nov 10, 2011 2:44 PM

    Thumbs down and censoring. The moderators at PFT censor almost everything I write–and I don’t use anymore profanity or say anything more objectionable than I do here. It’s a shame that with fame and fortune, Mike has lost control of the site. He’s a big deal now … but it’s not a fun place to hang out because he’s got interns deciding what we can and can’t say and they’re running amok with no supervision just jerking our chains because they can. Thank heavens JT and Ben have the sense to realize the audience makes the site.

  40. southernpatriots says: Nov 10, 2011 2:53 PM

    Deb: We are so sorry you are continuing to experrience grief, sexism, censorship, etc. at PFT. We know you love the Steelers and love to defend them against the idiots who make any and all kind of accusation.

    It is hard for us to believe, but our brother just received a telephone call from an admitting emergency room doctor in our region that a young boy was admitted with bruising and torn tissue which is indicative of sodomic rape. The young boy is 10 years of age. Our brother is already on his way to the hospital. If there an epidemic, a pandemic of this kind of aberrant perverted child abuse/molestation happening now? We were already dealing with two cases of this and counseling with the families.

    One another thread a man posted, revealing his soul and his experience of abuse and the nightmares and flashbacks which are so common, depression, thoughts of suicide, violent awakenings from nightmares, etc. that are all symptoms and aftereffects of sexual child abuse. We answered this poster and our heart breaks for him and what he is going through and here we now have another child locally who has been raped. We know you are very sentive to these things as we are.

    Thank you.

  41. chicagokman says: Nov 10, 2011 4:26 PM

    When Auburn beats ‘Bama it will make the whole tiebreaker thing much simpler.

  42. southernpatriots says: Nov 10, 2011 4:39 PM

    chicagokman: Now you made us smile! Don’t think it will happen after that smash mouth, no touchdown game between Bama and our beloved LSU Tigers, but it is possible, and you are right, if it happens it will make the whole matter much simpler. Of course we are pulling for Oregon over Stanford and Texas Tech over OK State…if all those happen, then Boise State will be even closer to #2

  43. Deb says: Nov 10, 2011 9:14 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    These things test our faith. I was thinking earlier today about the fantastic trauma therapist I worked with a few years ago and praying those children in Pennsylvania have had access to someone with her talent. The man you’ve mentioned needs that kind of treatment. It’s never too late to find some measure of peace. We just have to pray and remember the lyrics of that song I posted for you: There will come a day.

  44. Deb says: Nov 10, 2011 9:18 PM

    Didn’t want to include something trivial in the same post, but things are somewhat better on PFT. They’ve been reined in from capping my posts, and the censorship has been less egregious in the last couple of weeks. Mike posted a celebration of PFT’s 10th anniversary and asked for suggestions. He received many complaints about the Gestapo. Maybe he listened. They hit me several times today, but cut it out when I got testy. Thank goodness–I have no time for that right now :)

    @chicagokman …

    Okay, that was funny. But I’m hoping Big Al will stomp that ol’ War Eagle this year.


  45. southernpatriots says: Nov 10, 2011 9:31 PM

    Deb: Glad to hear the Gestapo are letting you somewhat alone. You are stronger than they are, obviously.

    We listened to the song again. It helps. Thank you.

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