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SEC holds top three spots again in BCS standings

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It’s been a dominating day for the SEC — okay, the SEC West — as LSU, Alabama and Arkansas now occupy the top three spots in all three of the major polls.

No. 1 LSU and No. 3 Arkansas will meet later this week in Death Valley, and the BCS implications couldn’t be higher. An upset by the Razorbacks could place not one, but two SEC teams who didn’t make their conference championship into the BCS title (that would be a scenario where Alabama goes to the SEC championship game and loses to Georgia). It could also give new life to teams like No. 4 Oklahoma State, who lost on Friday to Iowa State, and No. 6 Stanford, who lost to Oregon just last week.

No. 5 Virginia Tech is still in the mix, but will their weaker schedule prevent them from making a surge in the final weeks? The Hokies may need a lot of help. Boise State keeps its name around at No. 7, but an at-large spot could be hard to come by when the selections are made. Houston, Oklahoma and Oregon round out the BCS Top 10. While their hopes of a BCS championship appearance are all but out of the picture, their tie-in hopes are not.

With just a few weeks left in the season, here’s how the rest of the BCS Top 25 shook out:

(For all your ranking needs, go HERE)

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  1. gopokes0714 says: Nov 20, 2011 9:04 PM

    Go Pokes. with a win over OU we should get in.

    The SEC is very dominate Congrats to the west, but if you don’t go to your conference championship game you probably shouldn’t play for a national title. just unlucky for the other two.

    also LSU doesn’t want to see Alabama again. in a rematch of the worlds most.boring game I think Alabama wins by 10. they missed more field goals than LSU made, and that just wont happen twice.

  2. deadeye says: Nov 20, 2011 9:14 PM

    The current BCS (big crappy system) standings absolutely scream for a playoff system. The highest ranked team with at least two losses is #9 Oklahoma. Eight teams have legit arguments about why they deserve a shot at the national title.

    Does anyone still think Mizzou regrets landing in the SEC east?

  3. mrba4775 says: Nov 20, 2011 9:19 PM

    what happens if lsu, alabama, okla. state and virginia tech lose , will the bcs title game b
    arkansas vs. stanford?

  4. raiderredleg says: Nov 20, 2011 9:19 PM

    SEC really needs to look at moving Alabama to the SEC East instead of putting Mizzou (the farthest west SEC team geographically) in the East.

    That would give Alabama and LSU the chance to meet regularly in the SEC Championship to settle who is #1 coming out of the SEC.

    As far a Okie State…They need to be OU decisively (as long as ISU doesn’t beat OU in the meantime) to give them any legitamcy going forward (after the SEC annilates themselves over the next few weeks).

  5. mith242 says: Nov 20, 2011 9:31 PM

    No actually Fayetteville, Arkansas is the furthest west team in the SEC. And no they don’t need to realign the SEC either. 10 years ago the SEC East was dominant with Florida, Tennessee and Georgia. Sometimes it just runs that way. You can’t keep realigning a conference just because one side becomes dominant for a period of time.

  6. florida727 says: Nov 20, 2011 10:21 PM

    gopokes0714 says:
    Nov 20, 2011 9:04 PM
    also LSU doesn’t want to see Alabama again. in a rematch of the worlds most boring game

    ——————————————————-

    Typically ignorant comment by a “fan” that leaves the stadium unhappy if 100 combined points aren’t scored. THAT’S why Oklahoma State will not win the national title. Ever hear the common refrain “defense wins championships”? Didn’t think so…

    Would love to see you and your AARP quarterback play an SEC schedule. You wouldn’t even be bowl eligible.

  7. hawkeyefan80 says: Nov 20, 2011 10:59 PM

    An upset by the Razorbacks could place not one, but two SEC teams who didn’t make their conference championship into the BCS title (that would be a scenario where Alabama goes to the SEC championship game and loses to Georgia).

    Really? You should read the rules of the BCS before you write an article. The rules state that a MAXIMUM of two schools from a single conference can play in BCS bowls. In this scenario, Georgia would be the AQ and would make the Sugar Bowl (2 loss team isn’t going to the title game). That leaves LSU and Alabama to fight for the remaining 1 spot that the SEC can have.

  8. stairwayto7 says: Nov 20, 2011 11:13 PM

    What does that say about the other 9 teams in the SEC? Not very good..
    What happens if the following occur..
    Big ten Champ.. Mich state or Penn State
    Pac 12 champ.. UCLA or Utah
    ACC champ.. Virginia
    SEC Champ.. Georgia
    Big 12 champ.. Kansas State
    Big East..who cares..
    You can not have 2 NON CONFERANCE WINNERS play for the national title!

  9. mrba4775 says: Nov 20, 2011 11:23 PM

    it appears trent richardson will win the heisman trophy, the second time the crimson tide wins the heisman, congradulations trent, alabama will win the national championship.

  10. John Taylor says: Nov 20, 2011 11:28 PM

    @hawkeye: you might want to read the link below before you start accusing people of not knowing what they’re talking about.

    http://thegazette.com/2011/11/16/sec-could-snag-3-bcs-slots-this-year

  11. blancodiablo says: Nov 20, 2011 11:34 PM

    florida727 says:

    …Would love to see you and your AARP quarterback play an SEC schedule.
    ——————————————-

    Would that schedule include playing powerhouse Furman at home and nearly losing?

    So, big time SEC schedule lover, when was the last time Florida scheduled a regular season nonconference game outside of Florida?

    1991. (!) I didnt think cats lived for 20 years, but there’s plenty of kitty cats in Gainesville. Weak.

  12. pbolyard says: Nov 21, 2011 12:13 AM

    How does Oklahoma stay in the top 10 with losses to 2 average teams

  13. gopokes0714 says: Nov 21, 2011 12:18 AM

    @florida727

    wow. I gave credit to the SEC, and you can only respond with an elitist attitude. Who leaves the stadium when 100 points are not scored?

    most national sentiment is that people don’t want to watch that game again. suck it up and deal with it. it WAS boring.

    and my point was I think Alabama is a better team and that LSU could not beat them twice. Why does that offend you? aren’t you a Florida fan, or did you switch when you lost Tebow, and bow can’t amount to anything?

    AARP QB? So when the whole nation bashed “teblow” that didn’t bother you? the fact that he is doing well in the NFL doesn’t give you a since of pride? wow what a tool to turn to quickly and bash another QB.

  14. wussbasket says: Nov 21, 2011 1:19 AM

    how is a #3 team beating a #1 team an upset?

  15. gopokes3281 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:03 AM

    @gopokes0714

    He just can’t handle it that Florida has sucked ever since Muschamp took over and he has probably jumped the bandwagon to a new SEC team by now. The SEC supremacists don’t understand that no one outside the deep south wants to witness The (most boring) Game Of The Century Part II and cringe at the thought of an offense ripping apart the SEC’s top defense and proving their overly used statement,”defense wins championships”, wrong.
    p.s. Nice name by the way lol

    @florida 727

    Our 28 year old quarterback and our elite offense would tear up the SEC. Last I checked OSU’s strength of schedule was ranked 7, and Alabama’s was 39. Oh yeah…the SEC schedules sure are difficult aren’t they? Outside of LSU, Alabama, and Arkansas the SEC is a weak conference. Georgia lost two games against Boise and South Carolina and haven’t played a game since to prove they’re worthy of being called a good team. They only beat Kentucky by 9 on Saturday. South Carolina is probably a better team than them, but they lost to Auburn this year. The SEC is strong at the top but weak in the middle and bottom. No one that has watched OK State play can honestly believe they would not be a top team in the SEC and they definitely wouldn’t believe that OSU would not win 6 games to become bowl eligible. You guys pride yourself on good defense, but outside of Arkansas, where is the offense? You can try to insult us out of jealousy by saying we put up 100 points a game, but honestly that is a compliment. And if you are referring to our defense giving up points, that’s okay. We lead the nation in two of of the most important statistics in the nation; defensive turnovers, and turnover margin. Our defense did not give up a touchdown to the number 2 offense in the nation (Baylor) until we put in our backups in the second half and we did not give up an offensive point to Texas Tech, both of which beat OU. Tech didn’t even reach the redzone. And the one game we lost this year was not due to poor defensive play, it was because our offense never had any rhythm. Our team had found out at breakfast, the morning of the game, that a tragic plane accident took the lives of four members of the OSU family and we came out with no focus or energy. So before you go trying to bash another team, actually watch them play, and back yourself up with some facts.

    ORANGE POWER

  16. jaxsat says: Nov 21, 2011 3:26 AM

    OMG Oklahoma State should have dropped to 7th or 8th after losing to an unranked, 29 point underdog…no way they should even be in the remote running for the BCS title game even if they beat a weak Oklahoma team by 50.

  17. gopokes3281 says: Nov 21, 2011 4:32 AM

    @jaxsat

    And who should be ahead of them? A Virginia Tech team that lost to Clemson by 20 and only beat Duke by 4 and UNC by 3? Stanford who got demolished by a two loss Oregon, took 3 overtimes to beat USC, and beat 9 bottom feeders? A Boise team that also has one loss…in the Mountain West Conference? Or Houston who is ranked 115 in SOS? What is your justification? Maybe you are just an LSU fan that is worried that Alabama is going to lose to Auburn in the Iron Bowl and your team is actually going to have to face an elite offense for once.

  18. andyreidisfat says: Nov 21, 2011 6:44 AM

    I am sorry to all the sec folks but ur conference is only up because of the past. Top to bottom the PAC and big 12 are better this year. The ratings are a joke and I hope after the log jam this year we get a playoff or atleast change things up so it’s not sec winner vs someone every year for the title. Also if two teams from the sec (3rd best conference THIS season) then I will be done with cf untill a change.

  19. bayoubauer says: Nov 21, 2011 7:48 AM

    @ anybody named gopokes.

    You lost to Iowa State. Shut up.

  20. blueinok says: Nov 21, 2011 9:39 AM

    No rematch. There was no rematch for The OSU and Michigan when we were ranked #1 & #2. Michigan lost by 3 points in the last seconds of the game. Until they establish a playoff team, you don’t win your conference – you don’t play in the NC – especially if the winner of your conference has already beat you. And I don not want to watch another field goal contest as the NC game. If OK State whoops OU – they should play in the NC. Go Pokes!

  21. blueinok says: Nov 21, 2011 9:40 AM

    Oops playoff system not team – got interrupted mid thoought.

  22. gopokes0714 says: Nov 21, 2011 9:46 AM

    And what we are talking about is not even going to their conferrence championship, let alone winning it. All three are verry talented but its not all that diffent than the big 12 south a couple of years ago with 4 teams in the top 10, 3 in the top 5 at this point of the season.

  23. cameron poe says: Nov 21, 2011 10:59 AM

    to all of you foolish foolish people out there that think your offenses are so “prolific”. I have one thing to say to you SCOREBOARD! The truth of the matter that none of you want to admit is that yes you have great quarterbacks. But you are playing against finesse defenses! You CAN NOT throw the ball 40 times against LSU or BAMA. It just wont happen. And when you are forced to corral your passing game what do you have to do? PUT THE BALL ON THE GROUND. And none of these teams can do that like we in the SEC can. The fact of the matter is that when SEC teams you say are sub-par like UGA that have linesman averaging 325lbs and you have teams like Oregon where they arent even close to that you get beat in the trenches. Yeah you might hang for a half but after that you get beat down. Beat down like you guys have for the past 5 going on 6 years. The SEC is not winning because of history kiddies. They are winning because of size, strength, coaching, and playing much tougher hard nosed football than the rest. So dont get your nose all out of shape just because you lost. ROLL TIDE!

  24. fcmlefty1 says: Nov 21, 2011 11:11 AM

    What a mess!

    I’m convinced that LSU is the best right now. No argument there.

    I’m pretty sure Bama is #2. I’d be convinced if they’d done thier damage against a slightly better schedule. Thier list of quality wins just isn’t as long as some of the others, but they definitely pass the eye test.

    I have no clue who the third best team is. Just not convinced is Arkansas. Might be Oklahoma State, and that they (and everybody else) are just that far below LSU/Bama. Could be Boise – they have a 1 pt loss to a top 20 team as thier one loss, but they are so thin in the secondary right now its not even funny, not to mention that this years team just simply isn’t as good as last years for the eye test or statistical analysis. Maybe its VT, but like has been stated elsewhere, that was a bad loss to Clemson, and really was a “bad” win vs Duke.

    I hate to say it,but it has to be LSU/Bama (provided they win the Iron Bowl) for the title.

  25. ice90 says: Nov 21, 2011 11:20 AM

    The irony of this entire debate is that Alabama is in the better position than LSU to get to the national championship game.

  26. soflatrojan says: Nov 21, 2011 11:24 AM

    College football would be alot better if more of the bigtime programs followed LSUs’s lead. Instead of scheduling to go undefeated or be bowl eligible like alot of teams SEC included they have taken an anytime, anyone, anywhere approach. It would be nice to see them drop the FCS game but still great scheduling.

    The way this season has played out I hope they go undefeated and win the whole thing. That being said I would still like to see a playoff that included each of the devision champs. Considering the lack of good OOC games its really hard to tell how good or bad a conference is each year.

  27. lasseter1113 says: Nov 21, 2011 11:52 AM

    How hilarious, a bunch of sore losers trying to make a case for a national title bid by saying they don’t want to see LSU/Bama play again because it was boring. It wouldn’t matter if the score would have been 52 to 49 you would still find some lame reason that the game shouldn’t be played again. Answer this for me please. Where in the rules does it say that a game shouldn’t be played because it was boring to watch for some big 12 fans or anybody for that matter? Where in the rules does it say you can’t have a rematch in the national championship game? Where in the rules does it state a team that doesn’t win it’s conference can’t play in the national championship game? Oh and by the way the Big 12 doesn’t have a conference championship game this year so really they aren’t going to go to their conference championship game either.

    Here’s a hypothetical. Say Oklahoma and Ok St played earlier this year and the final result was by 3 points in overtime, no touchdowns all field goals and they were both sitting at #1 and #2 right now. You guys would be screaming rematch and you know it and anybody who says different is a liar. If LSU beats Arkansas and Georgia and if Alabama beats Auburn there is going to be a rematch for the national championship and all the boo hooing, complaining, dirt slinging, belly aching in the world can’t change that, as Bruce Hornsby says “That’s just the way it is”

  28. gopokes3281 says: Nov 21, 2011 1:04 PM

    It’s amusing how posting a few comments defending my team can get so many people worked up. Insecurities? Maybe. If the jabs are coming from Tide fans I can see why. Facing an in-state rival this Saturday that has beaten you in 7 of the last 9 must be stressful. Especially considering the comeback they made last year in the second half of that game and then on top of that, they proceeded to win that National Championship. Must have really sucked to be a Tide fan this past year.

    And yes, we did lose to Iowa State. We deserve not to control our own destiny, that’s fine. I agree. But to all you SEC fans I suggest you watch Bedlam in two weeks and then tell us that we couldn’t pass on Alabama 40 or 50 times. You guys haven’t seen a passing attack half as good as ours and I’m being honest. Sometimes it is good for people to branch out and be a bit more open minded. All we can hope for now is an LSU victory on Friday and an Auburn victory on Saturday, otherwise best of luck to LSU or whoever gets stuck playing Alabama in the NC.

  29. Deb says: Nov 21, 2011 1:06 PM

    @gopokes0714 …

    Since I’m not familiar with you, I’ll start by disclosing that I’m an Alabama fan. Beyond that, I’m also a huge fan of defensive football. On the pro side, I’m a diehard Steelers fan, and nothing excites me more than a Steelers/Ravens defensive matchup. Boring to me is a 100-point game because it means no one is playing defense. Yes, of course, I would have liked to see a TD scored rather than so many FG attempts. But I still found our game with LSU riveting.

    Alabama and LSU routinely score 30-50 points per game. The reason the final score was 9-6 is because two extraordinary defenses gave it all they had. The game turned on Reid’s heads-up defensive play on Maze’s surprise pass, which resulted in the goal-line turnover. But for the final score, I enjoyed it–although to each his own.

    I do believe my team made some big offensive mistakes–beyond an inability to kick the ball between the uprights. And I think a rematch would be a better game. But even if I didn’t, the #1 team plays the #2 team. That’s just the way it goes. Auburn is always a tough game for us, but when the smoke clears, I’m certainly hoping we’re holding one of those top two spots.

  30. gamustangdude says: Nov 21, 2011 1:07 PM

    @gopokes3281

    BIg-12 is top Heavy that’s it. Kansas State has beaten whom? Baylor has beaten whom? OU, well they lost to TT. So Baylor doesn’t get an “at a Boy” there.

    SEC prides itself on defense. You’re very seldom going to find an SEC team that’ll put up 40-50 points a game. OK State has never played a UGA, Alabama, or LSU type defense, who is ranked 1, 2, & 4 in Nation in total defense. Ok State has the 105th ranked defense. As the old saying goes Defenses win championships. Your best defensive team statistically is Texas, they would rank 5th in the SEC. Ok State would get blown out by LSU or Alabama because they wouldn’t be able to score. OU same thing. UGA and South Carolina would beat OU, Kansas State, and Baylor easily. OU proved in the Baylor loss and TT loss, that they have no secondary. South Carolina and UGA would Feast off that. You bring up the fact that UGA only beat Kentucky by 9, OK State only beat Texas A&M by 1, who lost to Arkansas. Big-12 teams like Ok State and OU are overrated and this weekend proved it.

  31. cameron poe says: Nov 21, 2011 1:22 PM

    @gopokes,

    It’s even funnier how after posting your comments you think they were just simply defending your team. You took some clear shots and now people are blowing holes in your story. First, you wouldnt be able to throw that many times because A our pass rush is that strong. and B our secondary is that strong. Hard to pass all day when your QB is on his back and your receivers are smothered.
    Once again watching Bedlam will do nothing to convince us SEC fans because once again you will not be playing against offensive and defensive lines anywhere near as big as an elite SEC one. And they will not be playing against SEC caliber defense.
    And you know what really sucks losing to an in state rival 8 out of the last 10 years. Or just 5 times in the last 20.

    Hey Okie St. you got a taste of winning you enjoyed it now its gone. Just as fast as you got it.

    If you have a problem with the SEC dominating and getting all the love then create an atmosphere of winning. Win the games you are supposed to win. i.e. Iowa State!

    SEC have earned where they are by playing better football year in and year out. We have a tradition of winning.

  32. fcmlefty1 says: Nov 21, 2011 1:31 PM

    Boise scored 35 (and sportsmanship stopped them from scoring 42) on that UGA defense you mention. OK States offense is better than Boise’s this year. So if you think that UGA’s defense is on par with LSU or Bama (and by citing those ratings, you do think so), you are being totally irrational to think that Ok State would get shut down.

    More likely: UGA’s defense rates that good statistically because the teams on thier schedule are not very good offensively besides the two that they lost to. I don’t think hardly anybody would agree that UGA’s defense is as good as the other 2.

    That said, I think UGA’s defense is pretty damn good, just not uber-elite like Bama or LSU. The offense is good – Best QB in the conference, good RB (if healthy), and pretty decent receivers. The SEC title game isn’t the forgone conclusion that alot of people think it will be.

  33. gopokes3281 says: Nov 21, 2011 1:52 PM

    @ Deb

    I completely agree with all of your comments. To stand up and say that the offensive mistakes were the reason that game’s score was so low earns my respect. Yes, there were two great defenses, but even with that, there should have been a couple of touchdowns scored. I don’t like the Tide because I have family that went to Auburn, but you are the first Tide fan that has said anything to me that hasn’t come off as being ignorant or obnoxious and was actually intelligent.

    @Cameron

    I deliberately took those shots. Outside of LSU and Alabama, the SEC isn’t that great. It would be nice if people kept trying to unite the SEC as one big bad conference, because really…there are only two “big bad” teams.

    @gamustangdude

    Oklahoma State played Georgia in 2009 when Georgia was ranked #13 in the nation. The Cowboys won 24-10 and that was before we had a new OC, a Heisman candidate QB and started scoring 40-50 points a game. I’m not going to stand up for the Big XII because I don’t care about the rest of the teams in the conference, but there is a reason all the Big XII schools are in the Top 15 in SOS and it’s not because there is only have one good team in the conference.

  34. cameron poe says: Nov 21, 2011 2:17 PM

    First of all it is the O-line of UGA that averages over 325lbs. Not the defensive line. So if you are going to correct me then get your facts straight. Do some research.
    Secondly no one said that they would get shut down. All that was stated is that if you tried to throw the football that many times on an Alabama or LSU defense its going to get picked more than once. And your QB is going to end up on his back more than once.

    @gopokes
    So you clearly admit you are biased against BAMA because you have family that went to Auburn. Well then you should have enough knowledge to know that it isn’t just two big bad teams dominating. And it isnt just this year we are talking about. We are talking about the whole scope.
    And if you are going to bring up an in state rivalry why dont you take a quick look at your so called “Bedlam Match” because from the looks of things there hasn’t been much bedlam. Instead just OU stomping mud holes in you poor little cow pokes.

    Oh and was that a number 9 Okie state that beat a number 13 UGA? PRESEASON RANKINGS?? are you really quoting preseason rankings? Dude you are fishing big time. Oh and congrats on a #9 okie state upsetting a #13 UGA. hahahahahahahhahahhahhaahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahha!

    That is how i feel about yalls accomplishments! Next you guys will be posting on here looking for recognition for taking care of your kids! hahahahahah

  35. bozosforall says: Nov 21, 2011 2:22 PM

    hawkeyefan80 says:
    Nov 20, 2011 10:59 PM
    An upset by the Razorbacks could place not one, but two SEC teams who didn’t make their conference championship into the BCS title (that would be a scenario where Alabama goes to the SEC championship game and loses to Georgia).

    Really? You should read the rules of the BCS before you write an article. The rules state that a MAXIMUM of two schools from a single conference can play in BCS bowls. In this scenario, Georgia would be the AQ and would make the Sugar Bowl (2 loss team isn’t going to the title game). That leaves LSU and Alabama to fight for the remaining 1 spot that the SEC can have.

    ___

    Not if LSU beats Arkansas but narrowly loses to Georgia and the final BCS poll has Alabama #1 and LSU #2.

    From the rules: No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections…

    unless two non-champions from the same conference are ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the final BCS Standings.

    Maybe YOU should read the rules:

    http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bcs_selection_procedures.html

  36. bozosforall says: Nov 21, 2011 2:29 PM

    andyreidisfat says:
    Nov 21, 2011 6:44 AM
    I am sorry to all the sec folks but ur conference is only up because of the past. Top to bottom the PAC and big 12 are better this year. The ratings are a joke and I hope after the log jam this year we get a playoff or atleast change things up so it’s not sec winner vs someone every year for the title. Also if two teams from the sec (3rd best conference THIS season) then I will be done with cf untill a change.

    __
    Oregon, probably the most talented team in the Pac-12, got CRUSHED by LSU this season

    Texas, probably the best Big 12 team two years ago got CRUSHED by Alabama.

    Head to head, neither conference can win against the SEC when it counts most.

    Your claim is both shallow and hollow. The SEC rules. Six straight NC titles prove it.

  37. gopokes3281 says: Nov 21, 2011 2:29 PM

    @Cameron

    It was the first game of the season, of course it’s based off of preseason rankings. We lost to Houston a couple of games later so OSU really wasn’t very good that season. And you are right, I am biased against Alabama. Not just because I have family that went to Auburn but because Alabama’s fans are ignorant, obnoxious hicks and you are proving my beliefs true. You are lucky there are people like Deb that don’t act the way you do and can make me believe that not ALL Alabama fans are like you. Its true, we haven’t beaten OU since Les Miles was our coach. But honestly, six years ago, we really sucked. I think we won like 4 games in ’05. We used to be everyone’s homecoming game. Over the past 5 years we have slowly been improving and becoming a team to beat in our conference and it won’t be long before the “tide” shifts in Oklahoma and OK State starts winning Bedlam.

  38. lasseter1113 says: Nov 21, 2011 2:35 PM

    @gopokes3281

    You make me laugh. That’s all you got? Trying to make us feel bad for last year’s season? Yes it was a down year for us despite the fact we ended the season with 10 wins and 3 losses. Wait a minute what am I saying, you can sympathize with me can’t you? Didn’t you lose to your in-state rival Oklahoma 47 to 41 last year? How about the 27 to NOTHING beat down the year before? So before you talk anymore smack about us playing our 24th ranked rival Auburn, you should worry about the beat down your 9th ranked rival Oklahoma is going to give you on Dec 3rd!!

  39. cameron poe says: Nov 21, 2011 2:41 PM

    Clearly you have decided to go to personal attacks because all of your arguments have been shown to be full of holes. You based your arguments on nonsense. I based mine on facts. Take it somewhere else if you can’t defend your team without the personal attacks. And just for future reference everyone in the south is not an ignorant hick so watch your mouth.

  40. gopokes3281 says: Nov 21, 2011 2:52 PM

    I am aware not everyone in the south are ignorant hicks but this….
    ————————————————————
    Oh and was that a number 9 Okie state that beat a number 13 UGA? PRESEASON RANKINGS?? are you really quoting preseason rankings? Dude you are fishing big time. Oh and congrats on a #9 okie state upsetting a #13 UGA. hahahahahahahhahahhahhaahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahha!

    That is how i feel about yalls accomplishments! Next you guys will be posting on here looking for recognition for taking care of your kids! hahahahahah
    ————————————————————
    makes you sound pretty uneducated after all I said to you was…

    I deliberately took those shots. Outside of LSU and Alabama, the SEC isn’t that great. It would be nice if people kept trying to unite the SEC as one big bad conference, because really…there are only two “big bad” teams.
    ———————————————————-
    And am I defending OK State by making personal attacks? No. I have honestly been respectful to everyone who has been respectful to me. I might say stuff about the SEC but it is my honest opinion. Two or three elite teams THIS YEAR does mean all 12 teams are good. That’s my honest opinion. But telling me watch my mouth sounds like a threat and it is pretty ridiculous to start threatening people over college football. There are more important things in life. And my perception of Alabama fans is kind of the national stereotype. They were even portrayed that way in that Roll Tide/War Eagle show on ESPN….

  41. gopokes3281 says: Nov 21, 2011 2:59 PM

    @lasseter

    Yes I can sympathize. We have gotten our ass beat for decades by our in-state rival. But for our NC hopes we need Bama to lose. And if you do happen to lose, for your sake you need us to lose Bedlam. I don’t know what I’ve said besides my direct comments to a Bama fan that came off pretty rude, but I’ve obviously garnered some extreme hatred. So to those of you that I have offended, I apologize. All I was trying to do was stir up some discussion about the teams left in the title hunt.

  42. lasseter1113 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:00 PM

    Now your calling us ignorant obnoxious hicks? That is the most ignorant statement made on this whole comment thread. We bring up points about FOOTBALL, did you get that FOOTBALL that made you feel bad so you start the name calling like a little child. If you are that thin-skinned about your team then you shouldn’t be on here in the first place because not only do your arguments have no merit now you chose to label a whole fan base with hateful words like ignorant, obnoxious, and hicks. Oklahoma State has a really good team this year and I actually felt sorry for them when they lost to Iowa St despite the fact it helped Alabama so much because I know how bad a lose like that feels. I thought we were on here having some friendly smack talk about each others team but I guess I was wrong.

  43. gopokes3281 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:04 PM

    @lasseter

    So did I, but there were two OK State fans on here and that “friendly smack talk” turned into an attack by everyone that is a fan of ANY team in the SEC. Once again, I apologize if I’ve offended you. Like I said, not all Bama fans fall into the stereotype created by ESPN.

  44. cameron poe says: Nov 21, 2011 3:05 PM

    Was my point not made clearly? You were basing your argument on preseason rankings which you yourself said meant NOTHING! So, yes I was correct.

    Those two or three elite teams are more than most conferences have. And those two or three elite teams have proved it in National Championship games against those other conferences. So my point is clearly made again.

    No it is not a threat. Now you are trying to escalate a heated debate into something it is not. LET ME BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS: I said watch your mouth because what you said was offensive and probably offensive to more than one person. IT WAS IN NO WAY A THREAT! An example of a threat if you must know would be if I said, “Watch your mouth or else…” However I did not say that because I would never threaten someone over college football. Just like I would never put an entire region down over some show I saw on television or because I simply did not like their football team. Like you said there are more important things in life.
    Your argument though is clearly flawed whether based on your homegrown bias (which we all have) or jealousy (which we all also have). But the fact remains THIS is not the only year of SEC dominance and the dominance has been spread out of quite a few teams for quite a few years. Therefore, the position the SEC has garnered for itself is well deserved. You win you get the benefit of the doubt. The more and longer you win the more benefit you get. This is how the situation works. DEAL.

    JUST TO BE CLEAR ONE LAST TIME AT NO POINT DID I MAKE A THREAT TO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE.

  45. gopokes3281 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:06 PM

    It’s not your guys’ fault that ESPN puts on that lunatic Harvey Updyke on TV to represent your fan base. So if that stereotype is incorrect, which it obviously is, I’m sorry. Comments were out of line.

  46. gopokes3281 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:11 PM

    @Cameron

    Okay. Thanks for clearing that up. I apologize for calling you what I called you. It was completely out of line. I respect what you are saying. The SEC has won for years and are the Top 3 in the polls and OK State lost and doesn’t deserve to be 1 or 2 right now.

    I don’t know how much you know about the Bedlam rivalry but it can get as heated as the Iron Bowl around this time of year and OU fans are some of the rudest people. We have always tried to be the opposite and show class and I was clearly wrong. Sorry for the comments. OK State fans, including myself, usually aren’t like that and I wish I could take it back.

  47. cameron poe says: Nov 21, 2011 3:11 PM

    Alright @gopokes,
    You live you learn. I can appreciate that. Admitting your mistake is a big thing. In my book you are an alright human being. Just remember stereotypes hurt us all because by stereotyping us you stereotype yourself. So thank you. NOW LETS TALK SOME MORE FOOTBALL!

  48. gopokes3281 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:13 PM

    @Cameron

    My mom and her whole side of the family is from Alabama and I have visited there many times. I would never put that whole region down. There are some of the most friendly people in the world down there.

  49. Deb says: Nov 21, 2011 3:13 PM

    @gopokes3281 …

    Thanks for the positive feedback. You can see from my thumbs-down that honesty isn’t always appreciated on the blogs. Ironically, Ravens fans say they find me tolerable for the same reason :D

    Obviously not all SEC teams are created equal, and all teams have highs and lows. Right now, Florida is in decline, but they’ll come back. But the SEC is a strong conference because it’s well-run and includes programs that have been competitive for many years.

    My family was mortified by the behavior of people on the Roll Tide/War Eagle program. You have a lot of irrational extremists calling radio programs–and posting on blogs. Every fan base has its share of idiots, and since they make a good show, the media love to put them on camera. But it’s not unique to Bama or the SEC. And when people start in on me or my team, I’m as capable as anyone of lashing out. Generally, Bama fans are scarce on this blog, preferring their own sites. Kind of makes the few of us here easy targets.

  50. gopokes3281 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:14 PM

    @cameron

    lol okay. Sounds good. Oklahoma has some bad stereotypes so I completely understand. Any guesses on the scores of the LSU vs Arkansas and Alabama vs Auburn games?

  51. lasseter1113 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:18 PM

    Whatever man, just read your last post. Your right, it is just a game. I am just sick and tired of everyone in the nation stereotyping Alabama because of a few stupid fans. Rednecks and Hicks are EVERYWHERE in EVERY fan base, it’s not like once you leave the borders of Alabama they disappear. If the media chooses to portray us that way so be it, it is the furthest thing from the truth. At the end of the day I am happy to know that we have a great college football team with a very rich tradition for winning and playing in championships. The way I look at it is like this, “In college football if your team is not hated then they must not be winning”, right?

  52. cameron poe says: Nov 21, 2011 3:18 PM

    I would like to say that we are going to kill AU but with it being a rivalry game and if I were a gambling man I wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole. (part of that is superstition). And because of that superstition I refuse to give a prediction. Hey we all have superstitions some pitchers dont step on the lines. haha

    But as far as the LSU ARK game goes I pray ARK wins 31-21. But I am sure LSU will find a way to win. so the final score will prob be 35-24 LSU. I know it sounds high but LSU can score on certain defenses.

  53. bayoubauer says: Nov 21, 2011 3:32 PM

    ice90 says:
    Nov 21, 2011 11:20 AM
    The irony of this entire debate is that Alabama is in the better position than LSU to get to the national championship game.

    I respectfully disagree. LSU controls their destiny. Win the next 2 games, and they’re in. Alabama needs help from Arkansas. How is that easier than just winning your own games?

  54. gopokes3281 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:39 PM

    @Cameron Poe

    I agree. I definitely think it will be hard for Arkansas to pull out a win especially after losing one of their players yesterday. But they may use that to motivate them and with it being on a Friday and the week of Thanksgiving anything could happen. I have Alabama 31-17 over Auburn although us OSU fans need it to go the other way. But I’m content just beating OU and making our first BCS bowl. I honestly can’t even make a guess on the LSU Arkansas game because it could go either way.

  55. gopokes3281 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:39 PM

    @lasseter
    Agreed. If you aren’t hated, you aren’t winning.

  56. fcmlefty1 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:41 PM

    @ bayoubauer: I’ll have to disagree with you. LSU has to win 2 games vs top 15 teams to completely assure themselves a trip. Bama just has to win once (though against a rival), and they aren’t dropping lower than #2.

  57. gamustangdude says: Nov 21, 2011 3:43 PM

    fcmlefty1 says:
    Nov 21, 2011 1:31 PM
    Boise scored 35 (and sportsmanship stopped them from scoring 42) on that UGA defense you mention. OK States offense is better than Boise’s this year. So if you think that UGA’s defense is on par with LSU or Bama (and by citing those ratings, you do think so), you are being totally irrational to think that Ok State would get shut down.

    _________________________________

    A couple of holes in your theory. That was the first game of the season, UGA’s wasn’t ranked 4th in the nation in Overall defense starting September 3rd. They achieved that rank during the course of the season due to the cummilative effort of all 10 games played so far. Yeah we can only focus on one game and think we are proving a point when in reality were just showing how “college football” dumb we are. I look at the Body of Work, not just one game there guy.

  58. fcmlefty1 says: Nov 21, 2011 3:52 PM

    Semantics, Semantics. You are a f’n tool.

  59. gamustangdude says: Nov 21, 2011 3:54 PM

    gopokes3281
    Oklahoma State played Georgia in 2009 when Georgia was ranked #13 in the nation. The Cowboys won 24-10 and that was before we had a new OC, a Heisman candidate QB and started scoring 40-50 points a game. I’m not going to stand up for the Big XII because I don’t care about the rest of the teams in the conference, but there is a reason all the Big XII schools are in the Top 15 in SOS and it’s not because there is only have one good team in the conference.
    _________________________________

    Thanks for ignoring the game the year before when UGA whooped OK State 35-14. I don’t have any clue why you brought that up, I’m pretty sure UGA doesn’t have the same 4th ranked defense. When trying to prove whose team is better, don’t bring up stats from 2009, which have zero bearing on 2011. You sound like a Boise State Fan with that comment.

  60. gamustangdude says: Nov 21, 2011 3:55 PM

    I’ll be a tool, you can stop bringing Boise state now please

  61. fcmlefty1 says: Nov 21, 2011 4:04 PM

    You make it sound like Georgia magically came up with 11 new starters and a new defensive scheme after two weeks, after being absolutely thrashed by Boise and So Carolina.

    Most rational college football followers (including just about everybody else who reads this) realize all they have done is stop crappy offenses the last 9 weeks after failing in epic fashion against the only two legit offenses they played all year.

    You make it sound like September 2011 was years ago. It was 2 months ago there guy. Same players (more or less). Same scheme. Just bad offenses instead of good ones as opposition.

    Lucky for your squad, they won’t face anything more than a slightly above offense the rest of the way this season (unless Arkansas miraculously end up in the SEC title game)

  62. gamustangdude says: Nov 21, 2011 4:08 PM

    Ok, I can live with that. Are you done now?

  63. gamustangdude says: Nov 21, 2011 4:19 PM

    Most rational college football followers (including just about everybody else who reads this) realize all they have done is stop crappy offenses the last 9 weeks after failing in epic fashion against the only two legit offenses they played all year.

    _________________________________

    Nice try, that’s just you. UGA has put up better defensive numbers than Boise against Better teams. UGA is the Better team in November. In September Boise won, congrats but the season moves on. You do know a season involves more than 1 game right? We lost to USC by 3 points, not sure that’s a thrashing. Lucky for your squad they won’t face any team ranked higher than 20 for the rest of the season, they’ll get exposed yet again. I know it hurts to see a team you’ve beat, play in a better bowl than you and still gets more respect than your team. But College football is a game, you can’t win them all. Congrats on beating UGA, I’m pretty sure UGA will lose again someday.

  64. fcmlefty1 says: Nov 21, 2011 4:34 PM

    You gave up 45 against USC! (Though, to be fair, 14 were off turnovers) But what i remeber most is this: UGA’s defense looked like a bunch of pee-wee’s trying to do anything to Lattimore. Just like they looked like a bunch of pee-wees trying to stop Boise. Then, low and behold, they get to play against fellow pee-wees in eight of the next nine games (Coastal Carolina? Ole Miss? Miss State? Vandy? Tennessee? Florida? New Mexico State? Kentucky?) and unsurprisingly look good doing it, mixed in with one absolute thrashing of Auburn (to which I tip my cap). If you can’t see the clear divide between the offenses of Boise & South Carolina compared to the other teams you’ve played, well, then you are far more dilusional than even I suspected you were.

  65. texbornlsufan says: Nov 21, 2011 4:49 PM

    Help me here !!!!!!! Who has Georgia played this year? Did they play Georgia Southern too???????

  66. gopokes3281 says: Nov 21, 2011 4:53 PM

    @gamustangdude

    Sorry, missed the 4th ranked defense part. Just thought you said they have never played Georgia, Alabama, or LSU. My bad.

  67. gamustangdude says: Nov 21, 2011 4:53 PM

    USC averages 29.7 points per game, Florida averaged 27.3 points per game and Auburn vandy and Mississippi State averaged 25. If you want to call 4 points per game a “clear divide” then go ahead, I don’t. Boise beats up on cupcakes so their statistical data is screwed. Against top 25 teams Boise is 1-1 this season. UGA is playing much better football and if you can’t see that you are far more delusional than even I suspected you were. Did you make your “we beat UGA” t-shirt yet? 1st I’m a tool and now I’m delusional, yet you keep responding to my post, what will it take for you to simply shut up? BTW what does dilusional mean?

  68. gamustangdude says: Nov 21, 2011 4:57 PM

    texbornlsufan says:
    Nov 21, 2011 4:49 PM
    Help me here !!!!!!! Who has Georgia played this year? Did they play Georgia Southern too???????

    ___________________________

    Nope, we didn’t play Georgia Southern this year. And to answer your other question, Georgia has played pretty much the same teams anybody else in the SEC East has. Not sure what your point was there, but I’m sure you had one. Texas Born LSU Fan, can we say Bandwagon?

  69. Deb says: Nov 21, 2011 5:07 PM

    @bayoubauer …

    I don’t agree that Alabama is in a better position than LSU, but also don’t agree that we need help from Arkansas. With LSU and Alabama sitting at #1 and #2 respectively, we both control our own destinies. As long as we both win out, there’s no reason for any team to jump either of us, and we should meet again in the title game.

  70. gamustangdude says: Nov 21, 2011 5:26 PM

    @Deb

    I’m with you. I don’t see Arkansas Jumping a team they lost to. If Arkansas does beat LSU, wich is unlikely, at most LSU will fall below both Alabama and Arkansas.

  71. fcmlefty1 says: Nov 21, 2011 5:30 PM

    Just exposing you for the blind dipshit you are. Anybody rattling off some crap that cites Florida or any of thier SEC East bottom feeding brethern as even average offenses hasn’t a clue. Anybody can run up thier ppg average against overmatched foes (trust me, I know). Boise still averages 35 against real competition. Florida averages about 10. I could look up the rest of UGA’s competition, but it will only further prove that the SEC East is a offensive landfill besides UGA and USC, and that the bottom of the West is as well. I’ll just let you off the hook and not make you look even more stupid than you are more than willing to make yourself look by claiming that the SEC offenses are up to snuff.

    To bad this stuff isn’t earlier in the thread. The amount of thumbs up/thumbs down would overwhelmingly be in my favor. Not enough people around to read it anymore unfortunately…

  72. thebull57 says: Nov 21, 2011 5:33 PM

    Ok look. I’m sorry but let’s be real for one second. First of all, OkSt lost to ISU in overtime by six. Alabama lost to LSU in overtime by 3. Sorry Cowboys, but there is no way you’re jumping the Tide to play in the National Championship, and quite frankly, I wouldn’t count on a win against the Sooners. Second of all, Boise fans, I still believe you guys had the potential to be the real deal, but you blew it versus a TCU who lost to Baylor and SMU. Sorry, but you’re out of the question too. Look to see Oklahoma or Oklahoma State to play Boise State Fiesta Bowl. As for Virginia Tech, they lost to an above-average Clemson team, bash them all you want. As for the close calls against North Carolina and Duke, a win is a win. If you DO want to bash VT for those close calls, then bash Stanford for close calls with USC and California. So, I guess we could count them out too. I personally think Bama is the better team than LSU, but the game proved otherwise. That’s like if I said Bama was better than Auburn after last year’s comeback. They may have been, but they weren’t. So, with all these things going on, this is how I think it’s going to play out. Its more than likely going to be one of the two scenarios. As an Alabama fan, I want and think we deserve a rematch (forgive me, SEC haters), but I think the system knows that it would piss a lot of people off. But if Bama beats Auburn, and LSU wins out, then you’re definitely looking at a rematch. However, say Arkansas beats LSU and wins out. This will probably put LSU back to a 4 or 5 spot, Bama will stay at 2. OkState loses to Oklahoma. Virginia Tech jumps to 3 and beats Clemson, winning their conference, therefore jumping Bama and playing Arkansas in the National Championship. Bama plays Houston in the Sugar Bowl, Clemson plays probably Louisvile in Orange Bowl, Michigan State plays Stanford in the Rose Bowl, Oklahoma or OK State plays Boise in the Fiesta Bowl.

  73. thebull57 says: Nov 21, 2011 5:34 PM

    Louisville*

  74. gamustangdude says: Nov 21, 2011 5:39 PM

    The SEC East may be down this year compared to the West, however they are still better than the most other divisions in College Football to include the MWC.

    If it makes you fell better to clown the East go ahead, Boise plays in the MWC, you have no room to talk.

  75. cowhawkfan says: Nov 21, 2011 6:04 PM

    I don’t understand TCU being higher. They beat Boise who fit as high as #4. They lost to Baylor who beat Oklahoma who was as high as #4. They lost to SMU who I believe was in the top #25 at one point. Baylor beat TCU and Oklahoma, but lost to three, not 1, but three subpar teams. Shouldn’t TCU be ahead of Baylor and a few others.

    Having said that, I do realize TCU’s D is not very good against the pass this year. I’d love to see TCU vs OK or Texas this year.

  76. fcmlefty1 says: Nov 22, 2011 5:50 AM

    To use your convoluted logic for a minute: If The 2nd place team in the Mountain West can utterly destroy the SEC East champ, it tells you everything you need to know about the SEC East: It isn’t just “down” this year – it absolutely sucks this year. Or maybe, just maybe, the MWC isn’t nearly as bad as you think it is. Nah, that would require you thinking logically…

  77. gamustangdude says: Nov 22, 2011 7:05 AM

    If the 2nd place team in the Mountain West can utterly destroy the SEC East champ, it tells you everything you need to know about the SEC East:

    _________________________________

    When did Boise State play South Carolina this year? Because when Boise beat UGA (still holding on to that “destroy” theory? Whatever makes you feel better about your season I guess?) South Carolina was the SEC East Champ. UGA didn’t win the SEC until 12 weeks after they played Boise. If Boise beating UGA tells me everything I need to know about the SEC East, will I guess SMU beating TCU tells me everything I need to know about the MWC, or better yet James Madison beating VT Tells me everything I need to know about the ACC last year, and maybe Appalachian State beating Michigan tells me everything I need to know about the Big-10 in 2007? Is that you thinking “logically?”

    1 game is just that, 1 game. You can’t infer anything off of 1 game. That UGA game was in the past, why are you still holding on to it like it happened yesterday? Do you need to feel better about your season? I’ve suggested you make a T-shirt that says “we Beat / Destroyed UGA” That’s all Boise will have to show for its season. Most College football fans hang on to the past because they realize their future is crappy and have nothing to look forward to either the rest of this year or next year for that matter, seems like you fit right on in there. Yes Boise beat / destroyed UGA in September, what else you got, “logically” thinking that is?

  78. fcmlefty1 says: Nov 22, 2011 9:16 AM

    USC was the SEC East Champ in the 2010 season. UGA is the SEC East Champ in 2011. Boise played UGA in 2011. This isn’t too tough to figure out.

    And spin it any way you want I guess. Your logic says that UGA is in the top 5 now in defense, but wasn’t when Boise played them. Fine – I’ll go with your logic. UGA was tied for first then when Boise kicked the crap out of them.

    Can’t believe you still want to debate how bad Boise did or did not beat them. Long Story Short: Little ol’ Boise State dropped UGA in less than 3 qtrs. The game was essentially over before the 3rd qtr whistle blew. Why is this so hard for you to understand? I haven’t wanted to use the cliche, but I have no choice: Scoreboard.

    But oh yeah, I forgot, you’d rather hang your season on a victory over the worst florida team since the 80′s. You’ve said so yourself thats the only game you care about. Its only one game to use your line. Convienent that the only game you care about is that one, because you happened to win it this year for the first time in a few years.

    I get it though – if Boise was 4-16 vs one of thier rivals over the last 20 years, I’d celebrate and hold on to those rarer-than-a-bigfoot-sighting victories too.

  79. gamustangdude says: Nov 22, 2011 10:49 AM

    You really want to keep this going? I’m on vacation so I have nothing but time here, I love being able to show you over and over again how pathetic and weak your arguments are, alright here we go…

    1. USC was the SEC East Champ in the 2010 season. UGA is the SEC East Champ in 2011. Boise played UGA in 2011. This isn’t too tough to figure out.

    Wrong, “not smart guy,” When Boise played UGA they weren’t the SEC East champs. End of Story, I’m not spinning it any way. I’m stating facts. You’re the one spinning it to fit your argument. UGA didn’t win the East crown until after they played Boise. Why is this difficult for you to understand?

    2. Can’t believe you still want to debate how bad Boise did or did not beat them. Long Story Short: Little ol’ Boise State dropped UGA in less than 3 qtrs. The game was essentially over before the 3rd qtr whistle blew. Why is this so hard for you to understand? I haven’t wanted to use the cliche, but I have no choice: Scoreboard.

    Ok, Boise beat / destroyed UGA, they stomped for three quarters, if you say so. What else you got? (I believe this is the second time I’ve asked you to move on) Boise won. Move on please

    3. UGA / Florida rivalry has no bearing on this situation. Who cares if Florida was having a down year this year, UGA is just horrible right; they never have a down year. What about the other 47 games, they were having down year then too? It’s a rivalry game, UGA owns the Rivalry and we won this year. 4-16 last 20 years why stop at 20 years? The rivalry didn’t start 20 years ago, so why only focus on 20 years? That’s right, it fits your argument. How about this, why not look at the entire rivalry which UGA has the advantage in? But that’s not “logical” right. UGA owned the rivalry in the 70 / 80s, Florida owned in the 90s / 2000s. Good job trying to bring up a subject you have no knowledge on. Like I said before, move on.

  80. fcmlefty1 says: Nov 22, 2011 11:20 AM

    1) The UGA team that won the SEC crown IS THE ONE THAT BOISE DEFEATED! This isn’t a difficult concept. You are the only person in all of America that will try to spin this the way you are trying to. USC’s 2010 title has no bearing on the 2011 season. That team isn’t back in 2011 to defend it. Thats not how college football works. Guys graduate. Things change. We rational people compare 2011 games to thier 2011 accomplishments, 2010 to 2010, and so on.

    2) Well, at least you’ve finally gained acceptance to the results of that September night and aren’t trying to put a ridiculous spin on it. Acceptance is the first step.

    3) I went back 20 years for one reason: relevancy. Its the year the the SEC expanded to its current format. Its one year prior to the Bowl Coalition. For better or worse, 1991-1992 (and 1992 is probably the better cutoff to be honest) is pretty much the start of the modern era of NCAA football. It was a completely different animal in the 1980′s and before. Discussing anything NCAA football before then is very similar to discussing the NFL pre merger for example. Its apples and oranges.

  81. gamustangdude says: Nov 22, 2011 11:46 AM

    No they didn’t, “not smart guy” I’m arguing facts here.
    FACT 1: UGA Wasn’t the SEC East champ when they played Boise. Right or Wrong?
    Fact 2: UGA eventually became the East Champ AFTER they played Boise right or wrong? Now, move on please. You have nothing more to bring to this conversation.
    Fact 3: Boise didn’t play ANY SEC East Champ, The played a UGA that eventually became the champ, not after.
    You’re the one spinning it. If you want to say the Boise beat UGA in the same season they won the SEC East Championship that’s fine, but that’s not the same thing as saying they beat UGA WHILE THEY WERE the Sec East Champ, that didn’t happen. Semantics I know, I’m right you’re wrong.

    I’ve always accepted that Fact that UGA lost, kind of hard for me not accept the fact given the result. I’ve not 1 time have ever said, UGA didn’t lose versus Boise, have I? So acceptance was never the problem. Boise losing to UGA is not debatable, you feel they destroyed UGA, I don’t. Whether they won or lost, wasn’t the issue. This point was made on September 3rd, but yet you’re still holding on to it, move on please.

    NCAA Football Changes all the time, however the rivalry has ALWAYS been played. So bringing up the last 20 years on a rivalry that begin in 1915 is pointless. It doesn’t matter UGA won the last contest, so I would I worry about the last 20 years? I’ll let Florida Fans worry about that.
    This is the third time I’ve asked you to move on from the Boise and UGA Game, what else do you have?

  82. fcmlefty1 says: Nov 22, 2011 12:04 PM

    Your logic is just so convoluted, its not even funny. In your world, 2011 Boise vs 2011 USC is the game that would have to take place in order for Boise to play the SEC East champ. How exactly would the 2011 USC squad have anything to do with the 2010 version that won the title? Its not the same team!

    Well, I guess I will use your logic some more then: Boise lost to the Rose Bowl Champion. They are more deserving to be in the National title game than Alabama, the 4th place squad in the SEC West.

    Yeah, seems pretty silly to use 2010 to analyize the 2011 season, now doesn’t it?

  83. gamustangdude says: Nov 22, 2011 12:50 PM

    Use any argument you want to. I’m just stating the Facts. UGA didn’t win the SEC East until after they played Boise, that’s a fact not logic nor opinion. If Boise didn’t play UGA after they earned the East crown then Boise didn’t Beat UGA while they were the East Champion. It’s that simple. In order for Boise to beat the East Champion they would need to play UGA either next week or the week after, you know after they won the east crown, not before.

    The 4th best team in the SEC West? How do you quantify that? Alabama is currently the 2nd best team in the West. Your logic makes no sense. Alabama finished 4th last year, they are currently 2nd in the west. UGA is currently the SEC east champion but they weren’t the SEC East champion on September 3rd.

    Give it up, move on.

    No one is using the 2010 to analyze the 2011. That’s you, trying to hold on to a team that everyone’s forgotten about and won’t be relevant again until 2012 season starts. My argument is simple Boise played UGA on September 3rd, UGA won the SEC East on November 19th = Boise didn’t play, therefore beat, the SEC East champs. They beat a team that eventually became the SEC East champion. Not the same. Where in this argument do you see 2010?

  84. fcmlefty1 says: Nov 22, 2011 1:34 PM

    You’re hopeless. But congrats on seeing the world of college football in a way that not another single soul in the universe sees it. Congrats…I guess….

  85. thebull57 says: Nov 22, 2011 2:07 PM

    fcmlefty1 I hope you’re not being serious right now…and if you are, it shows how little Boise fans know about football. There is a HUGE difference between the UGA in September and the UGA now. Congratulations, you got a W against an SEC team who starts 6 seniors total. Good job. If you happen to meet again in the Rose Bowl, I promise you it will be a different game. Second of all, I wouldn’t ever say that Boise is more deserving to be in the BCS Championship game than Alabama…I guess that’s proof that it’s you who isn’t thinking logically…a team that lost to TCU at home more deserving than Bama. I guess you’re just still mad because Boise has blown their shot for the past two years.

  86. fcmlefty1 says: Nov 23, 2011 9:33 AM

    @thebull57 – I was being completely ridiculous in what I was saying at the end in direct response to gamustangdudue trying to completely downplay Boise’s destruction of Georgia by twisting semantics. If you go back and read the exchange, you’ll see how his semantics got completely out of hand.

    And you’re right, it would be a different game right now if they played. Boise and Georgia were both completely healthy at the beginning, and Boise was victorious. Boise has now suffered so much injury in the defensive backfield that overmatched freshmen are starting. UGA isn’t the same right now (it appears to have been improving weekly, capped with the utter destruction of Auburn), but Boise has become increasingly unhealthy as the weeks go by. We were able to cover that up for the most part, but not against a quality opponent like TCU. You’re right – its another season of what-if’s. I wish we could have been healthier vs TCU. It might not have had to come down to a missed FG that way.

    That said, I’d welcome another game vs UGA (though I doubt it would be in the Rose Bowl) just to see where each squad is now compared to where they were in September. Boise will be back to relative good health with the DB’s by bowl season (only one CB missing instead of the top 3).Unfortunately, it looks like our bowl game will be against LaTech or some scrub from the PAC 12 South and we’ll never know.

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