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LSU, Bama sit atop latest AP poll

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For the third week in a row, LSU is the unanimous No. 1 team in the country with their big win over Arkansas on Friday. With just the SEC championship left against Georiga, the Tigers are thisclose to playing for their second national title in five seasons.

The question everyone wants to know is who will be playing LSU in that title. Alabama? Oklahoma State? Stanford? Virginia Tech? The Tide come in at No. 2 in the latest AP poll after crushing Auburn in the Iron Bowl and received all the second-place votes for the second week in a row. Oklahoma State moved up two spots to No. 3 after an idle week, inexplicably jumping No. 4 Stanford, who beat Notre Dame 28-14. The Cowboys will face No. 13 Oklahoma next week in what could still be a crucial Bedlam game.

Virginia Tech will enter the ACC championship game at No. 5 and Arkansas drops to No. 6 after falling to LSU 41-17. The Hokies probably have the last outside shot at the BCS title game.

Undefeated Houston comes in at No. 7, Oregon at No. 8 as they prepare for the first Pac-12 championship game, and USC and Boise State are tied at No. 9.

West Virginia, Southern Miss and Florida State all re-enter the AP Top 25 after dropping out at various points; Georgia Tech falls out after losing to Georgia.

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37 Responses to “LSU, Bama sit atop latest AP poll”
  1. woebegong says: Nov 27, 2011 1:30 PM

    Both LSU and Alabama are where they belong in the BCS standings. The fact that have both played each other once will not have any bearing on the BCS NC game. The two best teams in the country will be playing for the crystal ball, as it should be. Strength of schedule has a lot to do with it, and these two have beaten a lot of good teams solidly.

  2. Deb says: Nov 27, 2011 1:50 PM

    No disrespect intended to Oklahoma State, but I’m confused about their ranking. They lost to an unranked school late in the season. Does anyone have thoughts on why they’re ranked so high?

  3. tmb333 says: Nov 27, 2011 1:58 PM

    Voters manipulating the polls.

  4. th56 says: Nov 27, 2011 2:14 PM

    I don’t have a problem with LSU and Alabama being 1 and 2, but how does Arkansas still stay in the top ten? What’s the fascination with OSU? How can a team that finishes behind another team in it’s own conference and who got crushed by them at home get ranked ahead of them? Evidently one loss to an unranked team is better than two losses to top 10 teams.BCS is BS, give us a playoff instead of this popularity contest.

  5. billmead1976 says: Nov 27, 2011 2:44 PM

    Sure would love to see Houston or Boise St. beat the snot out of some over-rated SEC team during bowl season.

  6. artisan3m says: Nov 27, 2011 3:16 PM

    Bama and LSU ~ WOW! We’ve been praying for these two to knock heads all season. What? They did already? Imagine that. I don’t think this re-do will have nearly the national appeal as the BCS and east coast writers think. This incestuous SEC pairing will piss off more people than it will thrill. But then, mileage and opinions usually vary.

  7. csuxrr says: Nov 27, 2011 3:26 PM

    I was excited to watch the first Bama-Lsu game.I’m not a fan of defensive powerhouses locking horns though.They both would deserve to be there, but I would rather just watch the field goal attempts on SC.

  8. greggatx says: Nov 27, 2011 3:30 PM

    Another dull and boring sec game. College football has lost it’s shine in the bcs. I would rather see OSU and Houston match up. That would be more exciting. Oh well! At least the college regular season has been great this year, especially in the Big 12.

  9. nps6724 says: Nov 27, 2011 3:49 PM

    @th56:

    Arkansas is still in the top 10 because their only 2 losses came to #1 and #2.

  10. gopokes3281 says: Nov 27, 2011 4:04 PM

    @Deb
    Because they are better than the other 117 Div. 1A football schools. Virginia Tech has had a horrible schedule and lost to Clemson, while barely beating Duke and I think NC or NC State. Stanford didn’t even win their division and barely beat USC. The PAC 12 teams they did beat handily are very weak. Honestly, who do you think is better besides LSU and Alabama?

  11. gopokes3281 says: Nov 27, 2011 4:20 PM

    The polls aren’t about when a team loses. They are about ranking the best teams in order from 1-25. Voters make it seem like the “when” part matters because they are shortsighted. Had LSU lost their first or second game they would have easily worked back into 1 or 2. But if a team loses in week 11 they should fall off the map? That’s the reason why people believe the BCS is so flawed. Timing shouldn’t matter. One loss doesn’t make you a bad team, especially if you had a horrible game and it was obvious to everyone who watched it that it was a fluke. The problem is, voters don’t seem to watch the games all the time, so they aren’t able to truly figure out the best teams top to bottom.

  12. kansas525 says: Nov 27, 2011 5:08 PM

    The reason OK St is number 3 is so the AP voters won’t look so stupid if they beat Oklahoma and they move OK St into #2 ahead of Alabama. The comment about Alabama beating really good teams in the same statement as strength of schedule is really funny. Alabama’s strength of schedule is somewhere in the 50′s, OK State’s is #7. Explain again to me why Alabama is #2? The overall record of the teams Alabama beat is probably around .500 or less. Might be higher because the 4 division 2 teams they played might be pretty good at their level.

  13. yogijr13 says: Nov 27, 2011 5:30 PM

    @billmead1976-
    Never going to happen. LSU, Bama or Arkansas would DESTROY Houston and beat up on Boise. Although I feel for Boise, they just need to play a tougher schedule. LSU has beaten 7 ranked teams, from different conferences, they are the REAL deal. I just don’t get people who say the SEC is over-rated when they have won the last 5 BCS Championships. Bring on a Playoff system, and the SEC would still finish on top.

  14. woebegong says: Nov 27, 2011 5:47 PM

    Alabama is number 2 because they have only lost to the number one team in the country. Their defensive statistics far over shadow OK. St. Alabama has not lost to an unranked 500 team also. OK. ST. does score a ton of points but they also give up way too many points to teams like Louisiana Lafavette (34 points), Tulsa (33 points). Only two of the teams that Ok. ST. has played are still in the top 25. The highestt ranked opponent they beat at the time was Kansas State and I believe they are sitting at number 16 right now. Texas and Texas A&m are no longer in the top 25 anymore and you beat Texas a&m by a total of one point, and they are hoping for a 6 win season. To Ok. states credit they did beat Baylor convincingly and they are number 19 in the BCS.
    Alabama has lost one game also, and that was to the number one team in the nation. OK. ST. lost to a 500 team called Iowa St. Alabama has beaten three of the top 25 teams in the BCS standings, and done so, without giving up a large amount of points. The saying is that Offense scores points but defenses win championships. A one dimensional team may look impressive when it scores a lot of points as long as it doesn’t play teams with good defenses. Alabama has won their games with an average offensive team at best, but a monster team of defensive players. The statistics don’t lie, and you now have them before you.

  15. gopokes3281 says: Nov 27, 2011 6:23 PM

    Baylor’s offense is better than Alabama’s and OSU held them to a field goal, 49-3 going into the 4th, until the backups came in. TT’s offense is more efficient than Alabama’s and OSU didn’t allow them to score an offensive point. OSU leads the nation in turnovers also. Alabama has never faced an offense as efficient as Ok State’s either. There are some more facts to add to your pile. No one is going to win this argument, that’s why we need a playoff.

  16. gopokes3281 says: Nov 27, 2011 6:32 PM

    And Tulsa’s and LL’s points are inflated because our backups came in during those games also.

  17. nps6724 says: Nov 27, 2011 7:02 PM

    @gopokes3281:

    I hate Bama, but I’m gonna defend them here.

    Bama: 36.0 Points Scored/Game (16th), 8.8 Points Allowed/Game (1st)

    OK St.: 49.8 Points Scored/Game (2nd), 27.3 Points Allowed/Game (64th)

    Bama has a 27.2 point-differential per game, OK St. has a 22.5. Bama has won every single game by 16 or more points. Only 8 of OK St.’s win have been.

    It’s hilarious how so many people dog LSU and Bama’s offenses when they’re both in the top 16 in Points Scored. Contrary to the belief many, passing the ball 35+ times every week isn’t the only way to score points. It’s actually pretty sad when you need to because it means either A) your defense can’t stop the opposing team to give you a comfortable enough lead, or B) you like routinely running up the score on obviously-mismatched opponents.

    LSU and Bama score almost as much per game as OK St. while mostly running the ball. The fact they can put up that many points with an offense that takes a ton of time off the clock speaks to how good their offenses truly are.

  18. gopokes3281 says: Nov 27, 2011 7:10 PM

    A 13.8 point difference is huge. What would you think if you were comparing 36 points to 22.2 points per game? Which would be comparing Alabama to Buffalo or Kansas. Huge difference right? Trying to make excuses as why we score so many points is hilarious. In half of our games our backups have come in during the third or fourth quarter. If we wanted to run up the score, we could have and our average would be somewhere between 60 and 65 point per game. Our points allowed are inflated for the same reason. Our backups come in during the third or fourth quarter and give up a couple touchdowns. If you don’t believe me, go look at some of the box scores from games like Baylor, Kansas, Tulsa, or L-L.

  19. nps6724 says: Nov 27, 2011 8:19 PM

    I’ll take Bama (and LSU)’s lead in point-differential over the 13.8 OK St. averages more per game. LSU and Bama dominate their opponents more than OK St. does.

    The teams OK St. is scoring on are simply not in the same league as Bama’s defense. The closest offenses to OK St. either Bama or LSU have played are Oregon and Arkansas. Both Bama and LSU stomped those opponents. Now I know you’re gonna proclaim “But OK St.’s offense is way better than both of those teams!!” (though I would argue at least in Oregon’s favor), but the fact is both of those offenses are pretty damn good yet both were shut down.

    Did you ever consider LSU and Bama also put their backups in? You think OK St. is the only team that does so? I did check the boxscore of the OK St.-TT game and I saw Keenum had 37 pass attempts in a game that was 49-0 at the half. And Keenum dropped back 10 times in the 2nd half so they were obviously trying to run the score. Sorry, but I’m not impressed by that kinda performance. LSU and Bama have both had their opportunities to run up the score but for the most part, they don’t. Once they get large leads, they run the ball almost exclusively and run the play clock down while doing so. They could just as easily run a hurry-up type offense to try and score even more points if they chose to.

    The fact is both their defenses have completely shut down their opponents’ offenses and their own offenses put up tons of points. Crow about OK St. all you want, but the fact is LSU and Bama are #1 and #2 for a reason. One of those reasons is not losing to a 3-touchdown underdog.

    As an LSU fan, I *want* OK St. to make it to the BCS title game for 2 reasons: 1) LSU has already beaten Bama so they shouldn’t get a second chance, and 2) because I don’t see OK St. staying with the Tigers for 4 quarters. They may be able to score points, but they give up way too many to stop the LSU offense. And OK St. may lead the nation in turnovers, but LSU leads the nation (and OK St. by 3)in turnover margin, which is more important.

  20. Deb says: Nov 27, 2011 9:48 PM

    gopokes3281 …

    Alabama routinely puts in its second and even third teams in those games. It’s not even worth arguing about because nps6724 has the stats covered–despite that silly comment about Bama having their chance :roll: (It’s not Little League where everyone gets a turn at bat; it’s competitive football where #1 plays #2). Besides, I’m watching the NFL, where no one has to debate this nonsense. In the grown-up league, playoff teams are decided solely on wins/losses and objective tiebreakers. Gee, what a novel idea!

  21. nps6724 says: Nov 27, 2011 9:52 PM

    And if CFB had a playoff, Deb, I wouldn’t say anything. But CFB sells their game as a season-long playoff. Rematches happen all the time in the NFL yet rarely occur in CFB. The systems are so vastly different that there is no comparison between them.

    #1 LSU already played #2 Alabama in November so even by the definition you provided, this game already happened ;)

  22. sssjim7 says: Nov 27, 2011 10:15 PM

    This entire comment section supports the notion that the SEC teams should NOT play each other. Let them line up and play the teams from the other conferences …

    Until Oklahoma State actually PLAYS against LSU, all this bickering is just that… Let Alabama line up and play Stanford… Let Arkansas play Boise State…

    If both LSU and Alabama win big over the #3 and #4 ranked teams then that would validate the voters opinions…

    However… if they don’t… then we have polls.

    Seriously, if Alabama and LSU play each other then NOTHING will be settled in anyones mind. They already played are about even… but is the SEC really crappy this year? Or is it the powerhouse league the polls keep stating it is?

    They have to PLAY and BEAT the other contenders to prove it to me… not beat up on each other again…

    Just my .02
    ~Jim

  23. th56 says: Nov 27, 2011 10:28 PM

    @nps6724:
    Arkansas is still in the top 10 because their only 2 losses came to #1 and #2.

    That’s right, the only two decent teams they played, and got crushed by each. Sorry, Arkansas is not a top ten team, yet alone #3

  24. nps6724 says: Nov 27, 2011 10:57 PM

    @th56:

    You could say the same for several teams. Who has Boise St. beat? Houston? VA Tech?

    I’m not sure why you say Arkansas isn’t #3. Who is arguing they ARE?

  25. gopokes3281 says: Nov 27, 2011 11:00 PM

    @Deb
    You are supporting the theory of a guy who thinks Oklahoma State’s QB is Case Keenum, and then shows the flaws in your own arguments. The NFL has no relevance to college football. They are structured completely different, and honestly, the NFL is not nearly as entertaining as the NCAA. If I had a choice to make a bowl match up to pit OSU against Alabama I would and we could decide who is better. I never even stated OSU would beat Alabama, but for some reason everyone thinks that is what I am arguing. All I am saying is Alabama has not faced an offense like Oklahoma State’s. Everyone knows it is true, so it’s not worth arguing about.

  26. nps6724 says: Nov 27, 2011 11:13 PM

    I got the QB’s name wrong, so sue me. Keenum, Weeden. All the other stats were correct; I notice you didn’t try and refute any of that.

  27. gopokes3281 says: Nov 27, 2011 11:34 PM

    @nps6724
    No. I didn’t refute your stats and you didn’t refute mine, because they are facts. I’m not on here to argue if OK State could beat Alabama or LSU. The title game is basically set. I know that OK State will likely end up in the Fiesta and I’m fine with that. Only thing I would argue though is that Gundy doesn’t run up the score though, he likes to put the starters out in the first drive of the second half and he wants them to end with a good drive. I, like many fans, just wish we could see one of the top offenses in the country play one of the top defenses to close out the season. It would be entertaining. But it won’t happen this year. I guess we will have to wait.

  28. Deb says: Nov 27, 2011 11:44 PM

    Okay, boys, now that my Steelers have quit tiddling with the Chiefs and put this one away …

    You’re right. It’s not the NFL. In the NFL, a win is a win is a win … no matter how close or how ugly. In the NCAA, we have to consider when you win, against whom you win, and by how much you win. So like it or not, nps6724, barely eeking out a victory wasn’t enough to convince the computers to send the Tide packing. You did not vanquish your enemy and Alabama has lived to fight another day.

    We don’t have a playoff. We have the BCS … where #1 plays #2. LSU is #1 and Alabama is #2. No matter how much it pains the SEC-haters, the best teams in football both hail from the SEC. And you’re not going to find another team that’s played a stronger schedule with better outcomes that’s more deserving than Alabama.

    So guess you won’t get to just roll over some West Coast team to the crystal trophy. You want it … you’ll have to fight for it :D

  29. nps6724 says: Nov 27, 2011 11:48 PM

    Only Bama fans could lose to a team and say they weren’t vanquished. I wonder what tune you’d sing if the roles were reversed. Oh I’m sure you’ll respond saying of course you’d support LSU getting a rematch, but I bet deep down in your heart you’d feel the exact same way.

  30. frank booth says: Nov 28, 2011 2:05 AM

    It’s worth noting that the average rank of defenses for OK State opponents is 85 (per USA Today) and they have only played against 1 Top 50 defense.

    Average rank of opponents’ defenses for Alabama is 48, and they have played against 7 Top 50 defenses.

  31. alligatorsnapper says: Nov 28, 2011 6:42 AM

    It is good to see the conversation everywhere on TV, radio, and Internet as to who deserves to play LSU, who deserves to be #2. There is no debate on who is #1. Nice. Other than the pundits harping that LSU would lose to Bama, lose to Arkansas, and now lose to Georgia. Same old tune. Same old worn out platitudes.

    If LSU was to play any other team, the media idiots would say the other team would beat LSU. I listen to Houston and Austin media and that is all we hear. Southernpatriots listens to SEC home cities radio stations and other stations around the country and that is all they hear. Do they do this to Green Bay? Do the pundits pick any other team over Green Bay this year? Any week? of course not.

    Next venu: The Georgia Dome in Atlanta.

  32. Deb says: Nov 28, 2011 10:42 AM

    nps6724 says:

    Only Bama fans could lose to a team and say they weren’t vanquished. I wonder what tune you’d sing if the roles were reversed. Oh I’m sure you’ll respond saying of course you’d support LSU getting a rematch, but I bet deep down in your heart you’d feel the exact same way.
    ————————————————
    Well, I love the Pittsburgh Steelers to my core and have no problem rolling my eyes at my guys and asking how on earth they could have let that game last night with a QB-challenged KC team go down to the last play? We won by one more point than you did but do I think we vanquished the Chiefs? Are you kidding? We were lucky to limp out of there with the win. It’s called honesty. You guys should try it sometime. Then maybe you wouldn’t get so pissy when someone else does it.

    Of course, I want Bama in the title game. It’s the title game! If we were in LSU’s position, would I want to play Bama again? Heck yeah! I’d want to vanquish them once and for all! I sure wouldn’t be trying every trick in the books to keep them out of the game and whining about a rematch. It makes you sound skeered. What do you have to be skeered of?? Just keep your cool, have faith, and watch Nick’s head explode.

    And I’ve never seen a group of fans so bent out of shape over what the pundits say. Why do you listen to that stuff since it bothers you so much?? Stabbing myself in the leg hurts, so I don’t do it :roll:

    It’s not unusual for college teams to go undefeated–that’s no story for them. Only one pro team has done it. So the pundits are all about Green Bay making that magic 19-0. They have different agendas, but they all have agendas. It’s not personal.

  33. nps6724 says: Nov 28, 2011 12:12 PM

    Where did I say anything about pundits? Personally I don’t watch any of the preview shows or any of that. The only time I hear anything about what they think is during the game itself.

    Right on schedule, you say you’d be fine with a rematch. Easy to say when it’s all hypothetical. Easy to say when you were on the losing end. Nothing to lose at this point.

    Wanna know what your own head coach said back in 2003?

    “Anyone who doesn’t win their conference champ has no business playing in the national championship game.”

    Wonder how he feels about it now…

  34. Deb says: Nov 28, 2011 12:23 PM

    @nps6724 …

    Sorry, I’d switched and was talking to other people when mentioning the pundits. I’m with you on them. So many people keep harping about what they’re saying. For heaven’s sake, don’t listen!

    Good grief, are you kidding? It’s the title game. It’s why you play. Of course I want my team in the title game regardless of the circumstances. I don’t care if it’s a rematch of #1 and #2, or a computer error that sends us there from the 25 spot. I don’t care if we’re playing LSU or USC or Army. I want us to have the shot at the title.

    No, I don’t care what Nick said in 2003. It should have occurred to you by now that I’m not a ditto kind of gal no matter who’s doing the talking. And I’m not always on the same page with Nick. That was a silly thing to say in 2003 since most of the conferences didn’t even have a championship game. It put the SEC at a disadvantage if a situation like this came up. I imagine now he’s singing a different tune.

  35. infrno says: Nov 28, 2011 6:36 PM

    @nps6724

    Look at lil Nicky’s interview with ESPN after the game and you’ll have the answer to your question.

    At least Deb’s honest on this point and doesn’t care if it was some computer error and allowed her team to literally cheat its way to the title.

  36. nps6724 says: Nov 28, 2011 6:45 PM

    @infrno:

    If it’s the one after the Auburn game, someone already mentioned it to me and it doesn’t say anything to dispute his earlier comment. All he says is he’d be pleased if Bama gets in.

  37. Deb says: Nov 28, 2011 6:59 PM

    Aw, infrno has his nose out of joint so now he’s calling me a liar all over the threads and running wild with what was clearly a hyperbolic comment. You’re getting more pitiable by the minute, kid. Right now I can’t do a darn thing but wait to see what the BCS decides next week. You, however, can start celebrating. No matter what happens in the SEC Championship, you’re going to the title game. Instead you just keep ranting at me because I want Bama to play for the title, too.

    What a silly waste of energy.

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