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Nick Saban on BCS rematch: ‘should be based on who’s the best two teams’

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By now, John and I have made our feelings pretty clear about a potential rematch in the BCS title game between LSU and Alabama, who happen to be ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the latest BCS standings. It’s not a guarantee that the two teams will meet again just over two months after their Nov. 5 game, but personally, it feels like we’re being set up for it. Oklahoma State would have to have an impressive win against Oklahoma in the Bedlam Series for there to be even a chance for the Cowboys to jump the Tide.

The argument for a rematch has been that the two best teams should play for the national title regardless of whether they’ve played before, or if they’re in the same conference or division.

When asked what he thought about a potential rematch with LSU even though his team didn’t win the SEC West, Alabama coach Nick Saban said “I don’t really have an opinion” before proceeding to spend the next 1:30 giving his opinion on the matter.

Below is the full video courtesy of The Daily Bama Blog, but Saban starts talking BCS criteria at about the 1:45 mark.

Saban’s arguments echo what many others have already stated on here, and honestly, they’re not invalid points. But the problem is they go against the philosophy that “every game matters” — which was coined by the BCS. Other sports which have held a rematch for a national championship all have something in common: a playoff. The two best teams played — rematch or otherwise — on merit, not based on what others think.

In 2006, many, not just SEC fans, lost their minds over the utter thought that Ohio State and Michigan would play again for a national title after the Buckeyes beat the Wolverines. Back then, winning your conference mattered. What’s changed?

“But this Alabama team is different!”

Based on what? The opinions of coaches? Computers with arbitrary formulas?

I’m pretty sure everyone thought Alabama would crush Utah in the 2009 Sugar Bowl too.

The point is we never know for sure.

Is it possible Alabama is the second-best team in the country? Absolutely. In fact, it’s more probable than possible if we’re going on the eye test alone. But it shouldn’t come to our best guess.

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64 Responses to “Nick Saban on BCS rematch: ‘should be based on who’s the best two teams’”
  1. polegojim says: Nov 29, 2011 12:09 AM

    Agreed… Bama and LSU, hands down.

    I just want to see a touchdown or two.

  2. linedrivehit says: Nov 29, 2011 12:14 AM

    As long as we have the BCS, that’s all we can go on. I’d prefer a playoff system, but the BCS is what we have, and we all knew it when the season started.

    (P.S. – The BCS is still better than the old bowl system where teams were bound to certain bowls and there was no NC game. Last year Auburn would have played a team in the Sugar Bowl and Oregon would have played another team in the Rose. In 2009, Alabama and Texas never would have played each other – Bama in the Sugar, and Texas in the Cotton. Both end up undefeated. So BCS has its faults, no doubt.. still better than what we had previously).

  3. bikerhal says: Nov 29, 2011 12:18 AM

    Ipredictmore points if there is a rematch. LSU will use Jefferson exclusively, and both offenses will know the other team better.

  4. jaggedmark says: Nov 29, 2011 12:57 AM

    Did Saban happen to say who should be named National Champion if Alabama beats LSU?

    After all, that would be 1 win apiece, with LSU’s win coming in Tuscaloosa.

    How screwed up is this system?

  5. pricecube says: Nov 29, 2011 1:02 AM

    The problem I have with this is the very real potential for a split national championship… something the BCS was supposed to prevent. If Bama wins a semi close NC game then the AP should split the championship and give part to LSU. LSU beat Bama at home, had a much tougher ooc schedule and would have played an extra game in the SEC CG. That is more impressive than anything Bama can do unless they blow LSU out of the stadium. If LSU plays Oklahoma State you do not have the issue of a previous loss, furthermore, according to Sagarin Oklahoma State’s schedule was much tougher than Bama’s. Bama had their shot on Nov. 5th and came up short. They lost. I don’t want an all SEC NC game anymore than I would want an all Big 10 or all Pac 12 NC game. All of that said, we will probably get a rematch. Yuck.

  6. suprmous says: Nov 29, 2011 1:21 AM

    As I’ve said many a time before the BCS and NCAA are evil twins of a joke. This thing has become so damned political till it reeks of the smell of politics. Why don’t the powers that be just realize that politics has no place in sports and let it go at that. LSU by far had a tougher schedule than Bama and Bama doesn’t deserve a rematch along with the fact that they got beat in their own back yard. I don’t care if it was by a slim margin they still got beat.

  7. cupete says: Nov 29, 2011 1:30 AM

    If Oklahoma State beats OU, even by a point, even in overtime, they should be paired up with LSU in the BCS championship. Alabama already lost to LSU, why should they have another shot? If the BCS matches up LSU and Alabama, they will lose any legitimacy they had left.

  8. blytheselby says: Nov 29, 2011 2:14 AM

    ‎”Anyone who doesn’t win their conference has no business playing in
    the national championship game.” – Nick Saban, Alabama Head Coach
    (12/8/03)

  9. richatthelake says: Nov 29, 2011 2:16 AM

    LSU & Alabama are way ahead of Oklahoma State in the latest poll right?

    What if Georgia would nip LSU in the SEC Championship game & the poll comes out
    1. Bama & 2. LSU?

    Do we get a BCS title game with two teams that failed to win their conference championship?

    I’m just askin’.

  10. vincentbojackson says: Nov 29, 2011 2:40 AM

    Hope it doesn’t come down to a fieldgoal. Can’t bear to watch Saban’s kicker vommit all over himself again on national TV.

  11. woebegong says: Nov 29, 2011 2:44 AM

    Until the NCAA figures out or agrees to use another system, the BCS is what we have. Based on the computer rankings as well as the human polls used to rank teams, LSU and Alabama are 1 and 2, and therefore should play for the NC. I am sure, if that happens somebody will make a rule preventing it from happening in the future again, but that would seem to me to negate whatever validity the BCS has in the first place. The SEC championship, in effect loses it’s validity as it is, since it will not likely help out or hurt LSU, no matter how the game goes. This is basically, because a few AQ schools still do not have a championship game, and that means those that do have one, are playing an extra game, and therefore a chance to have players injured, lose in some cases and not get as much time off to heal and prepare as the other teams. What it in effect does though to the SEC, is render the game meaningless in the total over all picture. This year at least, it could have a direct affect on who represents the SEC in the Sugar Bowl. That could of course be decided at least this year, by over all SEC standings and records, before the title game is played. But based on the BCS way and how it effectively ignores conference championship games, the two teams are just playing for their conference bragging rights.

  12. rlr79 says: Nov 29, 2011 3:33 AM

    richatthelake I hope that’s exactly what happens because it completely blows up the system. But not for the reasons you think. The problem with that scenario is that if Georgia wins they are guaranteed a BcS spot which means either LSU or Bama are guaranteed not to have one due to the fact that no conference is aloud to have more then two teams in the BcS. Aren’t rules a bitch. God I hope Georgia wins, then one of those teams go from the NC to the I don’t give a crap bowl.

  13. steveintennessee says: Nov 29, 2011 3:34 AM

    and anyone who does not win thier division in the NFL or in MLB should not be in the Super Bowl or World Series…….SteveinTennessee 11/29/11

  14. mdeatherage says: Nov 29, 2011 6:29 AM

    This echoes a tweet Chris Fowler of ESPN sent on Sunday night, saying the SEC championship game was meaningless.

    In other words, Fowler says he and other sportswriters with a vote aren’t going to vote LSU below #2 no matter what happens–and somehow this is the BCS’s fault.

    The BCS changed its formula for about 6 consecutive years because the title matchup wasn’t the one that the sportswriters wanted, and they raised holy hell about it. The current formula is 2/3 polling, 1/3 computer ranking (where no computer ranking is worth more than 1/12 of the total), so it’s very very heavily weighted towards the polls.

    This year, the sportswriters are complaining that the BCS championship game WILL match their #1 vs. #2 teams against each other. Somehow, this is proof that the BCS needs to pay more attention to the sportswriters.

    Remember when the AP withdrew from the BCS, saying that its writers shoudn’t determine the national championship? That same year, just like every year before and since, they create an “AP National Championship” trophy and give it to the school that comes out #1 in their final poll.

    The writers don’t care jack about who is or is not the best team; they want stories to write. There’s only a story if someone’s getting upset. They built up the “game of the century” and then complained it wasn’t exciting enough, and are now complaining that there might be a rematch that THEY are setting up.

    If the writers really feel they shouldn’t choose who is considered the champion, then they should stop voting in any polls on the subject and presenting trophies, and demanding a playoff system that no school wants just so the writers can avoid responsibility for people paying attention to them. All writers/broadcasters should withdraw from the Harris Poll, and the AP should shut down its poll.

    The sportswriters simply want to control the season without being held responsible for it. This, somehow, is the fault of the BCS, which has bent over backwards to set up a game between the top two teams, mostly as demanded by the sportswriters as the formula was constantly rejiggered until it created the game that the poll voters wanted. This year, they’re not going vote LSU below #2 even if Georgia wins, so they’re going to get the game between the teams they say are #1 and #2.

    This, somehow, proves that the BCS is evil and the sportswriters need more power.

  15. norcalirish says: Nov 29, 2011 6:35 AM

    “If Oklahoma State beats OU, even by a point, even in overtime, they should be paired up with LSU in the BCS championship.”

    I Agree.

  16. deltamyhome says: Nov 29, 2011 6:42 AM

    I wish there was to leave out the sportswriters in the BCS process. Let the beer joint bullies decide…

  17. steveintennessee says: Nov 29, 2011 6:51 AM

    LSU would destroy Okie State and behind closed doors thier coaches would say …..we got to play LSU? With no defense? We are in deep doo….and any football fan that knows football would agree. Unless denial is thier agenda. Stanford would have a better chance or Wisconsin. But for the sake of not having a re match. I agree lets pick a lesser team.

  18. irishking says: Nov 29, 2011 7:11 AM

    The BCS system is so messed up that they may as well sell lottery tickets to pick the winner.

  19. steve851 says: Nov 29, 2011 7:38 AM

    The BCS system virtually dictates a LSU-Alabama rematch, so let it be. As a fan, however, I have no interest in a tittle match between two teams from the same conference. Another good reason to ditch the BCS and go back to the old way of doing things. Of course, things could get worse with playoffs.

  20. teambringitstrong says: Nov 29, 2011 8:08 AM

    Waaaaaaaaaah……….
    Ask yourselves, which OTHER team in this country would stand a chance against LSU or ‘Bama? You say, well look what Utah did to Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. Yeah, they woke a sleeping giant. People whether we like it or not, know it or not, or accept it or not, there is a pecking order in life and everything else including sports. (See Occupy Movement) Right now, SEC football is at the top of the pole and everyone else is clamoring for 2nd best.

  21. be4bama says: Nov 29, 2011 8:22 AM

    #1 vs #2 = BCS National Championship Game
    Anyone who doesn’t see it that way are one of two things. Either a SEC hater or a BAMA hater. We are used to it.
    It is what it is.

  22. richatthelake says: Nov 29, 2011 8:34 AM

    be4bama:

    So when your coach said

    “Anyone not winning their conference has no business playing in the national championship game”

    it didn’t count because he was at LSU when he said it?

  23. kfwokc says: Nov 29, 2011 8:47 AM

    OK, all you SEC fans. Both ALA and LSU had maybe 2 0r 3 teams all year where there was even a remote chance that they could lose. OK State beat 4 top 25 teams (Texas, Texas A And M, Baylor, Missouri with Oklahoma yet to play. That would be FIVE. If Alabama had played more of a tough schedule, of course they would have had a chance to lose more. Do we want another plebian game like the last match, with incompetent quarterback play and worthless kickers?? If LSU beats ALA, then so what, they already did. If ALA beats LSU, then who is the National Champ; it’s tied 1-1 c LSU winning at Alabama. The SEC was really down this year and breezing through was of no difficulty. Of course, as a Sooner whose 2 oldest kids went to Florida while I was stationed at Ft Walton Beach and as someone who thought Les Miles was brain dead at OSU (and who left them holding the bag, departing prior to a bowl game), I may be slightly prejudiced against ALA and LSU, BUT the thought of a rematch remains rediculous nevertheless.

  24. nps6724 says: Nov 29, 2011 9:04 AM

    Funny how Little Nicky has changed his tune since 2003. In 2003, only conference champs should play for the national title according to him. But now since he DIDN’T win, I guess Bama should be allowed in anyway. Way to stick to your convictions. Just like you stuck to them at Michigan State. And LSU. And Miami. Oh wait…

  25. pjrhc says: Nov 29, 2011 9:05 AM

    As a die-hard Tide fan, I STILL say the only way this will ever be right is a stinkin’ FCS playoff. With all this crazy conference leaping (San Jose St in the Big East!?), it is even more silly than ever. Just can it all, organize the teams, and have a playoff every year. THEN we’ll know, just like every other level of football on earth.

  26. burntorangehorn says: Nov 29, 2011 9:08 AM

    For all intents and purposes, the LSU win over Alabama should be viewed as an elimination, so long as LSU wins out.

    Does anyone remember in about 2004, when KSU beat Jason White and OU in the Big 12 championship game, and the national dialogue was that a team that didn’t win its conference shouldn’t be in the BCS championship game? Then later LSU had no business in the championship game over Georgia, although Georgia didn’t win their division, LSU had two losses, and eventually won the BCS title. The argument against Georgia was that they didn’t win their division and they lost to LSU. Then there was the Michigan-OSU rematch debate. I think the synthesis of all this equates to a strong argument that Alabama shouldn’t be in the BCS championship game this year, because they’ll have lost their division, conference, and perhaps most importantly, their matchup against LSU. It would also be unfair to LSU.

    Find someone else. Houston, if need be.

  27. nps6724 says: Nov 29, 2011 9:10 AM

    burntorangehorn:

    Couldn’t have said it better myself.

  28. infrno says: Nov 29, 2011 9:46 AM

    In other words, Nick wants what benefits him most at any given time irrespective of his prior position on the matter. Typical lil Nicky, no principles at all. In truth there was a huge debate over OU playing LSU in that game, and they had a chance the following year when they changed the BCS formula to make it where you had to win your conference and decided not to do so.

    We may see a rematch, but to be honest the only team in division 1 football right now that MAY have a valid complaint for being left out is Houston – provided they beat USM. Now, I don’t believe they are truly the second best team in the nation, but then if they are undefeated at the end of the season they will have done all they are capable of to prove it on the field and everything else is nothing more than opinion – from me, you, and everybody else. I think the two most deserving teams at the end of the season are the ones that took care of all they had control over.

  29. rajuncajun28 says: Nov 29, 2011 9:49 AM

    Little Nicky and the Gumps want no part of LSU….you should accept your invitation to the Sugar Bowl and move on…..

    Prediction for Alabama? PAIN

    All the best,
    Clubber Lang

  30. iplaybad says: Nov 29, 2011 10:09 AM

    This year is a unique year. In previous iterations, a one loss squad who’d lost a close game to the then Number-One team were not the clear cut Number-Two teams. Plus, there were other undefeated or once-defeated teams from legitimate conferences who had a legitimate claim to the title game.

    It’s laughable to read some of the replies here about Oklahoma State having any right to this discussion. They lost to Iowa State. At home. Iowa State is barely bowl eligible and will likely remain a six win team, as they’re an eleven point underdog to Kansas State. By any objective standard, Iowa State should not be considered a “quality” loss, unless you’re an FCS school.

    As for the argument about Oklahoma State losing the basketball coaches in the plane crash… That does not excuse you from losing to a mediocre team. That game went to overtime. Oklahoma State couldn’t focus for twenty minutes against a (then) sub-.500 ball club and deserves a shot to play for the crystal?! In the words of Mike Ditka, “stop it.”

    I’ve yet to read any good *arguments* why Alabama shouldn’t go to the title game. As a neutral observer/Pac-12 guy, it seems to me that there are two clear top teams in college football. To have a team who’s not on the level play for the title would ring hollow.

  31. richatthelake says: Nov 29, 2011 10:19 AM

    quick correction there guy, Oklahoma State lost on the road not at home. Not that losing to Iowa State anywhere is acceptable but those are the facts.

  32. texbornlsufan says: Nov 29, 2011 10:26 AM

    All I want to say is once we put a pounding on the Bulldogs just bring who you want to the Super Dome to get a good Louisiana butt kicking!!!!!

    Be truthful Bama fans you know who left the last game limping and it wasn’t the Tigers

  33. texbornlsufan says: Nov 29, 2011 10:29 AM

    Send the Cobra’s!!!! The Honey Badger is waiting

  34. nps6724 says: Nov 29, 2011 10:32 AM

    @ iplaybad:

    The only argument that need be made against a rematch is this:

    LSU beat Bama in Tuscaloosa. LSU went undefeated.

    A team that has no blemishes on their record and who wins their conference outright should never have to play a rematch to decide whether they win the national championship or not. There isn’t a playoff so spare me the comparisons to FCS or the NFL. There’s currently 5 1-loss teams in the top 10. 2 of them should win their conference and 4 of them haven’t already had their chance vs. LSU. 1 of them deserves the shot because Bama already blew theirs.

    Why should Bama be allowed to go 1-1 vs. LSU and be called the national champion? Why should Bama be allowed to sit at home and rest and not risk injury while LSU has to play Georgia? Why should Bama be able to win the national championship when they can’t even with their DIVISION? Bama didn’t earn any of that.

    If you’re an MMA fighter and you earn the #1 Contender’s spot, you don’t end up fighting the person you BEAT for that spot before your shot at the belt. And that person doesn’t get a shot before you. That is your reward for being #1. Now I’ll admit this isn’t the perfect comparison but that’s only because there isn’t a perfect one for the BCS. And it’s far better than any playoff comparison would be. The fact is being #1 means something.

  35. kfwokc says: Nov 29, 2011 11:01 AM

    richatthelake, read my post again. Alabama had very few chance To Lose. Play a decent schedule and they may well have two losses. It matters who you Beat as well as who you Lost to. Otherwise, Houston automatically is number 2, not Alabama. Ok State had a bad game and missed a winning field goal in regulation, even though they have a great kicker. I don’t know if AL is number 2 or OK State or Stanford or just who is. BUT, AL had their shot and a rematch is unfair to LSU, as well as all the other one loss teams. LSU needs to beat someone else, someone who has a great offense, like O State or Stanford. Then, we can say they are one of the greatest college teams ever. Can’t do it if they continue to play SEC teams.

  36. gamustangdude says: Nov 29, 2011 11:03 AM

    Is it possible Alabama is the second-best team in the country? Absolutely. In fact, it’s more probable than possible if we’re going on the eye test alone. But it shouldn’t come to our best guess.

    Ben, we’ve guessed multiple times before why should this year be any different. We guessed last year when we had three undefeated teams, and in 2009 when we had 4 undefeated teams going into week 15. We guessed in 2008 when we had 4/5 undefeated teams going into the BCS selection week. We guessed in 2007 when UGA didn’t win their conference. We guessed in 2003 when Florida got the nod over Michigan. Until we have a playoff system all we are doing is guessing. Every Game does matter. It’s not Alabama’s fault that Oregon lost twice, or that Stanford lost at home to Oregon by more than 3 touchdowns. Nor is it Alabama’s fault that OK State lost to an opponent they weren’t supposed to. Win your games and then you can talk. We have multiple teams with only 1 loss this year is no different from any other year. By rules, this is the right thing. Whether or not the rules are wrong is up for debate. We can’t tinker with the rules just because it might upset people. Determining who’s going to the National Championship game has always been a guess. If Ok State losses to OU, who jumps Alabama then? More guessing I suppose.

    @pricecube,

    There have been Split national champions before; this won’t be the only year. In 2003 LSU and SUSC split the National championship as well even though USC won the BCS National Championship game.

  37. nps6724 says: Nov 29, 2011 11:06 AM

    There have been Split national champions before; this won’t be the only year. In 2003 LSU and SUSC split the National championship as well even though USC won the BCS National Championship game.

    —————————————

    You have that backwards. LSU won the BCS title game while USC beat up on Michigan and was awarded the AP’s title.

  38. clonefan says: Nov 29, 2011 11:20 AM

    A little defense for ISU. Since none of you pay any attention to them. I am making no argument for them being anything more than a decent team. But, I am getting tired of them being treated like a lousy team.

    Why? Lets start with, they play the 3rd toughest schedule in the nation. They play every team in the Big 12. They do have issues on offense which is why they switched QB’s mid season. Way too many turn overs cost them big time in most games. Their defense is decent. Just held OU to second lowest point total of the season in spite of turn overs. Yes, we just blew it against Missouri. The rest of the games I am not ashamed of, just wish we could fix the turn over issues.

    I will put ISU up against the SEC East champ any day and I don’t hear anyone slamming them like I hear them slamming if ISU. You ask How I do that? The SEC does not play every other team in the SEC. I don’t believe Georgia could beat Bama, LSU and Arkansas… Suddenly Georgia looks a lot like ISU…. But, I am cheering for the underdog, I always do.. So go UGA.

    ISU maybe 6 and 6 when it is all over (I am cheering for 7 and 5). But their losses so far were to OU (10th), Baylor (17th), Missouri (25), Texas (22), A@M (NR) and yet to play 11th ranked K State. Oh and we beat #3 OSU. I am sorry if Our resume doesn’t measure up. And to use a Bama stat, we beat #3 Northern Iowa (Div 1-AA). Other non conference victories were Iowa at home and U Conn on the road.

    Yep, as the name implies, I am a proud ISU fan….
    Go Clones….

  39. richatthelake says: Nov 29, 2011 11:22 AM

    kfwokc:

    Huh?

    I wasn’t responding to you, was correcting iplaybad who said Oklahoma State lost at home.

  40. infrno says: Nov 29, 2011 11:43 AM

    bikerhal says:
    Nov 29, 2011 12:18 AM

    I predictmore points if there is a rematch. LSU will use Jefferson exclusively, and both offenses will know the other team better.

    ————————————-

    I think you’re right, while the 2 interceptions were obviously the worst, Lee wasn’t playing well even before that. He missed two wide open receivers down the field on the first couple of possessions and missed them badly. In addition, Randall dropped a pass from Jefferson in the end zone just before the end of the half. For all the talk about missed FGs, LSU had several missed opportunities to score as well, the dropped pass in the endzone especially (though the two bad passes by Lee would have almost assuredly lead to FGs given how far down the field the receivers were).

    And you’re right, you’re not going to see Lee in the BCS game at all. There are strong indications that he lost his starting job not because of those INTs, but because he failed a class and will be academically ineligible for the bowl game once the semester is over. I hope these are only rumors as I think having the ability to change QBs helps us, but I’d bet almost anything that they are true given that he’s not been used to any degree at all in any game since.

  41. iplaybad says: Nov 29, 2011 12:01 PM

    I was mistaken — the game was in Ames. I was confused since Oklahoma State traveled so many fans.

    And, while not bad, Iowa State is mediocre. They were below mediocre when Oklahoma State lost to them in overtime.

    As for the fighting analogy… I happen to think a rematch is appropriate when the loser in a close match is MUCH better than the next person up. I don’t think you watch college football objectively if you think that Oklahoma State is even close to Alabama. Since they both have one loss, the only thing we can point to is the nature of the games they lost.

    Oklahoma State’s loss to Iowa State was awful. Alabama lost to the undisputed best team in the country by a field goal in a close game. They have crushed all of the other teams they’ve played. All of this should be moot anyway when Oklahoma State loses the bedlam game… again.

  42. nps6724 says: Nov 29, 2011 12:09 PM

    @ iplaybad:

    Good teams have routinely lost to inferior teams and gone on to the BCS title game. USC and Oklahoma in ’03, Ohio State and LSU in ’07, Florida in ’08 are just a few.

    Going back the fighting analogy, rematches only occur after the loser has done something to deserve it. And they never get a rematch until another contender gets a shot.

  43. kfwokc says: Nov 29, 2011 12:21 PM

    iplaybad, did you watch the LSU/ALA game. It was awful. The offenses and kicking games looked like bottom 10 teams. Alabama was awful, just as OK State was in the Iowa State game. And, as I said, AL needed to play a difficult schedule to compare their wins to OK State. OU will be the 5th top 25 team they play and they may well lose since OU could beat any team on any given day (and yes, they could lose due to inconsistent defense-though don’t underestimate it since it has some bona fide stars). As I said, Alabama needed some other measuring sticks to think they need/deserve another shot at LSU. Otherwise, Houston would be number 2, a major college team without a loss. I agree with clonefan, Iowa State is Not a bad team; they crunched Iowa and held their own against many top 25 teams.

  44. clonefan says: Nov 29, 2011 12:29 PM

    @ iplaybad:

    Iowa State was below mediocre when OSU lost to them in overtime…..

    Based on what? ISU’s Defense that stopped OSU and caused OSU turnovers? ISU’s defense that forced the failed field goal at the end of the game or ISU’s offense that drove the ball for a TD in OT # 2. Or does it just pain people to give ISU credit for a good game and an upset victory?

    Lets remember that Bama can’t kick it’s way out of a paper bag either, just like OSU and Oregon. Sounds like no one deserves a shot at the NC. And yes OSU needs to take care of business…

    Do I think OSU is #2? I don’t know. Bama may very well be, the problem here is that the SEC has pretty much only played the SEC (and only part of it) and the same goes for all the other conferences. So… If LSU and Bama battle it out again (which may be the right choice) we won’t get to see the inter-conference play at the upper levels.

  45. linedrivehit says: Nov 29, 2011 3:44 PM

    That little quote that Saban said in 2003 would be cute… if he actually said it. You folks need to realize you cant believe everything you read on twitter. A sportswriter tried to look it up because it would make a great story… and found it NOWHERE.

  46. woebegong says: Nov 29, 2011 3:52 PM

    LineDriveHit,

    IN 2003, he was the LSU coach right? I personally never remember him saying that and I am sure amongst his SEC brethren, it would have been worse than a Saturday night revival, with the brimstone and fire.

  47. John Taylor says: Nov 29, 2011 4:50 PM

    I can vouch for what linedrivehit said re: the Saban quote. It’s fabricated. And I know it’s fabricated because I spent way too much time on Google trying to find it yesterday.

  48. tigersgeaux says: Nov 29, 2011 7:17 PM

    JT: I tried to find the quote on Google also, while I was looking for other quotes. Someone told me to look in LSU archives but I don’t even know where that is any longer with all the construction, reconstruction, moving of classrooms and contents of buildings, etc.

    I really don’t think it is worth my time to find the building then to search through to possibly not find anything. I would rather use my time at LSU wisely and find my old professors and grad. assistants as well as eat at a great restaurant.

    Is there another search which is better than Google out there?

  49. nps6724 says: Nov 29, 2011 7:24 PM

    I read it was said on a call-in show he used to host at LSU. Who knows. It’s probably fake based on the lack of evidence anywhere.

  50. capntaddy says: Nov 29, 2011 7:32 PM

    Shouldn’t even bother the money people and doesn’t require wholesale overhaul.

    1) Replace USA Today Coaches Poll with AP Poll. This may take some coaxing of the AP, as it is my understanding that it was the AP which opted out of the BCS system, at which point the USA Today Coaches Poll was born. The coaches poll is a joke for the simple reason that there is no way busy coaches – or their assistants – could possibly really be watching these games. Say what you want about the journalists; even in this day of media consolidation and relying on the wire services, they are still paid to report on the games with some level of accuracy, which requires some knowledge of what the teams are actually doing/did.

    2) Have the computers and the pollsters RANK THE CONFERENCES (ALL CONFERENCES) RATHER THAN THE INDIVIDUAL TEAMS.

    3) At the end of the year – AFTER THE CONFERENCE CHAMPION IS DECIDED (by whatever method the particular conference uses) – the CHAMPION of the 2 highest ranked conferences play in the NCG. HOW the conference champion is decided is up to each conference. Don’t like that, in your conference, you have to play a championship game to become the “champion?” Complain to your conference! Don’t like that the pollsters and computers rank conferences that have to play championship games higher than those that don’t? Complain to your conference.

    4) The champions of the 8 top ranked conferences get automatic bowl berths; TOP 2 go to the NCG; other 6 go to other BCS bowl games.

    This eliminates the winner of a weak conference (e.g., currently the Big East) getting an automatic bid to a big time bowl. It also ensures that 2 teams from the same conference won’t be playing in the NCG – or any other BCS game for that matter. It is no more penalizing to the “lesser conferences” than the current system is. It ensures that the CHAMPION of the 2 highest ranked conferences play each other in the NCG. It also ensures that conference champions play in EVERY BCS bowl game.

    I suggest that this will also promote conferences to do everything they can to make the conference stronger, because it is the overall strength of the conference that determines the value of your championship in that conference. Will this promote or discourage more re-alignment? Don’t know. On the one hand, teams could try to get into stronger conferences on the hope that one day they will win the championship. On the other hand, teams may decide that, by moving to a stronger conference, their chances of every winning a championship are slim-to-none, and that it is therefore better to stay put and push to strengthen the conference.

  51. woebegong says: Nov 29, 2011 7:56 PM

    Tigersgeaux,

    I myself mostly use the Microsoft engine called “Bing”. It always seems to narrow down a specific search you want more concisely.

  52. chachooga says: Nov 29, 2011 8:15 PM

    if Vtech and OSU win this weekend they deserve to be above Bama.

    Do any of you know Bama’s out of conference schedule??? I’ve heard other teams knocked on national television for scheduling weak teams….well, have you taken a look at overbloated, missed 4 FGs Bama???

    -Kent State
    -Penn State
    -North Texas
    -Georgia Southern

    Can’t argue with crap like that. just sayin.

  53. capntaddy says: Nov 29, 2011 8:43 PM

    Have you looked at VT’s schedule? They are grossly overrated. I’m not sure of one team ranked behind them in the Top 10 that couldn’t beat them. As an LSU fan, I’d like to see us play OK State, for 2 simple reasons:

    1) ‘Bama is the only team that COULD beat LSU

    2) By crushing OK State in the NCG (and it would be a crushing; OK State hasn’t played a secondary like LSU’s that could lock down Blackmon and the rest of their receivers and their defense sucks), LSU could say that, in one season, it took down the best that the PAC-12, Big East, SEC and Big 12 had to offer and handed all of them their collective asses.

  54. iplaybad says: Nov 29, 2011 9:42 PM

    Based upon Iowa State’s record, I deem them to be below mediocre. When they beat Oklahoma State, they were 5-4. They barely beat FCS Northern Iowa and squeaked by a Kansas team who’s so awesome that they fired their coach after two seasons. Certainly, those are quality wins.

    Each team has a common denominator of a single loss. Which loss was worse — LSU or Iowa State? If you say LSU is the worse loss, then you do not pay attention.

    As for the argument about not giving a rematch because it punishes LSU… that argument would imply that, instead of pitting the best team against the second best team in the BCS Championship game, we ought to put a worse team in the game so that we don’t make it “too hard” for LSU. The design of the BCS Championship game is to pit the two best teams against each other for a game to settle all other scores.

    As for the argument that Alabama has “done nothing” to merit getting a rematch… I’d beg to differ. Since the LSU game, they’ve crushed their opposition 111-42. Two of those opponents have been ranked in the top twenty-five this season.

    As for the argument that other schools have gone to the BCS Championship game with losses to inferior teams, that is accurate. It does not factor that both teams in the game had losses to quality, but generally inferior opposition. In other words, those instances did not require comparing two teams to fit one spot. This time does. Again, the question still lies unanswered: between the two losses, which has the worse loss? The team with the worse loss ought not get preference. This is why EVERY poll where there are people who are paying attention has Alabama ahead of Oklahoma State.

    As for Virginia Tech, they’re certainly not in the equation. They get to run through one of the weakest AQ conferences and still got run by a Clemson squad that’s falling apart.

    As I’ve stated repeatedly, I’m clamoring for a rematch. I just can’t be honest and say that there are any teams better than Alabama, save for LSU. I’ve watched the games. As a fan of college football and not invested in any of the teams, I want for the best two teams to play for the title.

  55. infrno says: Nov 29, 2011 11:30 PM

    It’s fine, we already know the outcome of that match up. And that, kiddos, is the main reason for the arguments against a rematch. We already know LSU is better than Alabama. But hey, if it takes 2 out of 2 to shut the homers up, let’s do it.

  56. infrno says: Nov 29, 2011 11:31 PM

    Of course, it’s all what someone “deems” them anyway.

  57. infrno says: Nov 29, 2011 11:35 PM

    @iplaybad

    Georgia Southern was ranked this season? And Auburn sucks, so no, Alabama hasn’t done anything since losing to merit a rematch. They may get one, but then we already know they can’t beat the Tigers. So why bother playing the game.

  58. nps6724 says: Nov 29, 2011 11:39 PM

    “As for the argument that Alabama has “done nothing” to merit getting a rematch… I’d beg to differ. Since the LSU game, they’ve crushed their opposition 111-42. Two of those opponents have been ranked in the top twenty-five this season.”

    —————————————–

    Mississippi State is 6-6 and hasn’t been in the top 25 in 10 weeks. Auburn has been ranked 24th or lower for the past 7 weeks. I would hope they could beat those teams by a wide margin.

    “As for the argument about not giving a rematch because it punishes LSU… that argument would imply that, instead of pitting the best team against the second best team in the BCS Championship game, we ought to put a worse team in the game so that we don’t make it “too hard” for LSU. The design of the BCS Championship game is to pit the two best teams against each other for a game to settle all other scores.”

    —————————————-

    You mean a score that was already settled on the field? We’ll never know if OSU is as good or better than LSU or Bama if we shut them out. No one thought Ohio State could beat Miami in ’02 (they were an 11.5-point ‘dog). If you never give legitimate teams their opportunity, it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. Had Bama not played LSU, it’d be different. But they have.

    “Again, the question still lies unanswered: between the two losses, which has the worse loss?”

    —————————————–

    Why is the loss the ONLY criteria you take into account? Bama is 2-1 vs. the current BCS top 25. OSU is 5-0. OSU faced one of the toughest schedules in CFB this season, one that was substantially tougher than Bama’s.

  59. iplaybad says: Nov 30, 2011 5:32 AM

    I would have no issue giving Oklahoma State a shot if they earned it. They lost to a bad team in a game in which they were huge favorites. That loss is damning. Oklahoma State may have played a tough schedule because the Big 10/12 is having a nice year. You still have to pay attention to the games against non quality comeptition. As you acknowledged, Alabama took care of business against weaker teams. Oklahoma State did not.

    Ultimately this is a judgment call since we have to compare teams who have not played. Having watched Oklahoma State and Alabama closely this year, I do not see two teams in the same class. You can disagree all you want with me but an aggregate of coaches and sports writers seem to think differently.

    When Oklahoma State loses to Oklahoma this weekend this will all be settled anyway…….

  60. gamustangdude says: Nov 30, 2011 8:50 AM

    nps6724

    “Why is the loss the ONLY criteria you take into account? Bama is 2-1 vs. the current BCS top 25. OSU is 5-0.”

    Wrong, OSU has only played 4 current top 25 teams. They can’t be 5-0 against them. And what does that prove that Alabama has a weaker schedule than OK state? Ok using your logic Alabama has a tougher schedule than Ok State because Alabama has played 2 top ten teams and Ok state has played a current BCS ranked top ten teams. Statistically speaking Ok State has the tougher schedule, that’s only if you believe that Missouri and Texas are better than Auburn and Florida, which I don’t. Rankings are subjective anyway, not a good basis for an argument. What Ok State Fans need to concern themselves with is beating OU, which they won’t, Once Ok State losses to OU, all this talk becomes irrelevant.

  61. nps6724 says: Nov 30, 2011 2:16 PM

    I’m basing it on the assumption OSU will beat OU since if they lose, it’s all moot. I should’ve made that clearer. That’s my fault.

    OSU has a tougher schedule according to Sagarian ratings as well at least one other lesser-known SOS rater.

  62. gamustangdude says: Nov 30, 2011 4:04 PM

    Even if OK State beats OU it only slightly helps Ok State given the fact that they won’t drop because they didn’t lose. There’s another team that Ok State has to worry about IF it beats OU, and that team is VT. If VT wins their conference championship just like Ok State, then a lot of voters will probably have them ranked higher than Ok State, they’re ranked higher already in the Harris and Coaches poll. That works in Alabama’s favor. The more votes teams like VT / Stanford pull from Ok State, the least likely OK State will jump Alabama. Actually VT would have a better argument than Ok State for going to the title game. They would’ve beat every team on their schedule OK State didn’t. (VT Lost to Clemson, but Plays Clemson again in the Conference championship; if they win here they avenge that loss. OK State doesn’t have the opportunity to avenge its only loss) you can scream “SOS” all you want, I think the more impressive argument is “we’ve beat everyone on our schedule!) Only LSU and VT (if they win) can say that.

  63. capntaddy says: Nov 30, 2011 5:35 PM

    As an LSU fan, I can tell you that the ONLY team its fans are worried about playing is Alabama, because it’s the only team with a real chance of beating LSU. OK St.? Bring them on. Va. Tech: Love Frank Beamer, but they are a whole level down the ladder from all of the teams below them in the top 10. Their schedule is a joke. They would be out of the game well before halftime.

    If you want to see a good game for more than 1/2, then you should want Alabama to play. If you, like I, want the Tigers to cap their season by saying “We took on the best the PAC 12, Big East, SEC and Big 12/ACC had to offer and beat them all,” then you should want someone other than Alabama.

  64. gvarnell says: Dec 4, 2011 9:06 PM

    Bama played FOUR teams with a +.500 record this year and won three of them. WOW, way to schedule tough games there Bama. But don’t worry, OK State only played SEVEN teams with a +.500 record and won all seven. Enjoy your second loss to LSU this year. Hopefully someone can actually score a touchdown this time.

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