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Poll: Who should play No. 1 LSU in the BCS title game?

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With a second-half thumping of Georgia, No. 1 LSU hit the college football trifecta Saturday: an unbeaten regular season (plus one), an SEC championship and one of the two spots in the SEC title game.

Which team deserves the second spot, however, is the subject of much debate and even greater consternation.

Conventional wisdom of those with knowledge of how the BcS operates said that, regardless of what happened on the final weekend of the “regular season”, No. 2 Alabama would be the team.  No. 3 Oklahoma State, which did to Oklahoma in Bedlam tonight what the Sooners sometimes do to Texas in the Red River Rivalry, is the only other team with even the remotest of chances to jump ahead of the Tide in the BcS standings.

No. 4 Stanford and No. 9 Boise State — sorry Houston; that display was a problem — join the Tide and Cowboys as the only other one-loss teams in the country.

The Tide will likely get the shot at a rematch against LSU.  The question is, do they deserve it?  And, if not, which team does?

Vote your conscience on that very subject below.  And if you don’t have a conscience?  Just wing it; nobody will care.

 

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54 Responses to “Poll: Who should play No. 1 LSU in the BCS title game?”
  1. tigerhawkeye says: Dec 4, 2011 12:01 AM

    Who deserves it? As much as it pains me to say so, Alabama. A loss against #1 isn’t nearly as bad as a loss against a 6-6 team. That said, I’d much prefer to see the Cowboys in the big game. About the only merit of the bowl system is that it gives us inter-conference match-ups between top teams that we rarely see during the regular season. It will be a real shame if this year’s National Championship is just a replay of one of the dullest SEC games of 2011.

    One more reason for me to hate the BCS, I suppose.

  2. normtide says: Dec 4, 2011 12:08 AM

    If this don’t bring a playoff, NOTHING EVER WILL

  3. frug says: Dec 4, 2011 12:10 AM

    Gotta vote for the Cowboys. Yes, Oklahoma St. lost to a weaker opponent, but they faced a far tougher schedule and had far more “quality wins” than the Tide. OSU beat played five teams currently ranked and beat all of them (a couple in blowout fashion).

    Alabama, on the other hand, is has only played 3 ranked teams and posted a record of 2-1 (and only one of the wins was by more than two scores).

  4. raiderredleg says: Dec 4, 2011 12:12 AM

    A plus one with OSU and Alabama having to face each other before even thinking of meeting LSU in a Championship Game would be a great thing to see!

    Mr. Taylor can you please see if you can make that happen?

  5. TxGrown says: Dec 4, 2011 12:15 AM

    Okie State…

  6. rhett16 says: Dec 4, 2011 12:15 AM

    It should be Oklahoma State. I’m sorry, I don’t see how a team should be in the National Title game that didn’t even win its own conference.

    Also, let’s say it is LSU vs Alabama again, and Alabama wins, 13-10 or something like that. Both teams are 1-1 against each other on the season, how can you say one is the National Champion? At least with Oklahoma State vs LSU, you would have a clear cut winner.

    Besides, that LSU – Alabama game was BORING.

  7. herbertjablonski says: Dec 4, 2011 12:15 AM

    what are your top 15 rankings?

    1. LSU
    2. ok. st.
    3. alabama
    4. stanford
    5. oregon
    6. boise
    7. wisconsin
    8. arkansas
    9. kansas st.
    10. s. carolina
    11. michigan
    12. mich. st.
    13. baylor
    14. clemson
    15. va. tech

  8. frug says: Dec 4, 2011 12:20 AM

    For those wondering, here is a mathematical breakdown of what needs to happen in order for Oklahoma St. to move ahead of Alabama:

    http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/12/1/2601897/bcs-calculations

    Short version:

    If Oklahoma St. moves back to number 2 in at least 5 of the computer rankings (which they were prior to the Iowa St loss), they will need to steal about 25% of the human votes away from the Tide to make the title game.

  9. huskersrock1 says: Dec 4, 2011 12:21 AM

    LSU has already beaten Alabama. Okie State should get a chance.

  10. speedel says: Dec 4, 2011 12:31 AM

    The problem is how do you invalidate Ok State from a chance for the title?

    A loss to Iowa State? Still an 11-1 record.

    There has also been virtually no overlap between to big 12 and the SEC this year so it is all speculation between which conference is better.

    Also as the SEC loves to claim (especially before the season or when a buster is winning) that a SEC schedule is is so much tougher thus somehow protects the SEC teams with a loss because they play such a hard schedule, well guess what? Without games against the big 12 we do not know if your conference is better then theirs.

    LSU has already beaten bama so there is no reason to play them. If LSU wins the championship then i am happy for the tide to be crowned number 2 but they do not deserve a shot at the title because they are perceived as better then another 11-1 team.

  11. alexexum12 says: Dec 4, 2011 12:35 AM

    Playoffs why do they hate you so much.

  12. frug says: Dec 4, 2011 12:39 AM

    One more thing to consider, Alabama only beat 3 teams with winning records, Oklahoma St beat 7.

  13. nps6724 says: Dec 4, 2011 12:48 AM

    The only argument Bama backers have is the loss. That’s it. For all the talk about how Okie St. can’t hang with LSU or Bama, the same was said about Florida vs. Ohio St. in ’06 and Ohio St. vs. Miami in ’01. Until they play, we DON’T KNOW. And Okie St. has done enough to earn their shot.

    So 1 bad loss trumps 7 wins over winning teams, including being 5-0 vs. the current BCS top 25? But 1 good loss isn’t trumped by only 3 wins over winning teams, including a 2-1 record vs. the current BCS top 25? Winning your conference destroying the #10 team in the country doesn’t trump not even playing in the conference championship?

    In ’06, Florida jumped Michigan in the final BCS standings on the argument that Michigan had their shot and lost to Ohio St. and didn’t win their conference. In ’07, Georgia was probably the hottest team in the nation but didn’t play in the SEC championship and guess what? Their bid to the BCS title game was denied based on that argument.

    So we have 2 arguments in the past 5 years that eliminated 2 potential BCS title contenders. And both arguments would work against Bama if considered.

    Seems to me Okie St. should get the shot based on precedent and their more impressive resume.

  14. mikedpinson says: Dec 4, 2011 12:56 AM

    Oklahoma State has better wins. Bama has a better loss.

    No one wants to watch a punt & kick competition for a national championship.

    In other breaking news.. All of the teams that lost to LSU this year has demanded a rematch. Fair right?

  15. udub says: Dec 4, 2011 12:56 AM

    Polls after prisoner of the moment moments are meaningless.

    If Alabama was your #2 after months of football it should be your #2 after 60 minutes of football tonight.

  16. udub says: Dec 4, 2011 12:59 AM

    mikedpinson says: Dec 4, 2011 12:56 AM

    Oklahoma State has better wins. Bama has a better loss.

    No one wants to watch a punt & kick competition for a national championship.

    In other breaking news.. All of the teams that lost to LSU this year has demanded a rematch. Fair right?

    ———————————————–

    In other other breaking news…Slight research shows Alabama only team that lost to LSU that finished 11-1. Previous breaking news voided.

  17. gem0323 says: Dec 4, 2011 1:04 AM

    So with the exception of LSU all teams have a minimum of one loss — Bama played LSU they lost. We all saw that game. And it was boring as hell.

    OSU has earned their chance to go head to head with LSU. If the SEC is such a premiere conference and their one lose teams are above other conference one loss teams then maybe we should just create a SEC NC Game and let them gloat.

    A repeat game does nothing but create controversy, if Bama wins then everyone will say well LSU beat them the first time, so its shared championship and if they lose then it’s like yeah, we saw that game in October. Look at what happened tonight against Wisconsin vs. Michigan State…

  18. buckeye1nation says: Dec 4, 2011 1:05 AM

    udub says: Dec 4, 2011 12:56 AM

    Polls after prisoner of the moment moments are meaningless.

    If Alabama was your #2 after months of football it should be your #2 after 60 minutes of football tonight.
    _________________________

    If that’s your argument then OKSt should still be #2 after 60+ minutes of football 2 weeks ago..

  19. mikedpinson says: Dec 4, 2011 1:12 AM

    In other breaking news…

    70% of the country does not want to see the 3rd best team in the SEC play for potentially 1/2 of the NC. (That lost at HOME to LSU)

  20. nps6724 says: Dec 4, 2011 1:17 AM

    If Alabama was your #2 after months of football it should be your #2 after 60 minutes of football tonight.

    ——————————————-

    Not when #3 absolutely slaughters #10.

  21. cowhawkfan says: Dec 4, 2011 1:30 AM

    ‘Bama has their chance. Move aside and let someone else give it a shot. ‘Bama not only lost to LSU, but did so AT HOME!!

  22. Walk says: Dec 4, 2011 1:41 AM

    It will not be a split championship if bama plays and beats lsu. I have said it before and will say it again look at the bcs ranking at end of the season, the bcs averages. It will take a miracle for those numbers to tie. One will be ahead of the other. The loser of the rematch is not going to be tied for any type of national championship, the bcs system will place one team ahead of the other and that will be all there is to it. As far as oklaholma having a shot at the title game i am ok with that as long as they get second in bcs if not then it should fall to whomever is no 2. As far as losses are concerned losing to numver one ranked team after losing balll on the goal line and then missing multiple fgs and eventually losing in ot to the number one team is a far cry from loss ok state suffered.

  23. gem0323 says: Dec 4, 2011 1:52 AM

    Let’s get to the reality..the SEC wants a LSU vs. Bama NC , so they can share the money 100% in their conference. If OSU gets in then the Big 12 gets 50% of the split.

    GO OSU!!!!!

  24. suprmous says: Dec 4, 2011 2:10 AM

    As an LSU Faithful, I’d love to see us play OS. We play’d Bama in their backyard and beat em. It wasn’t by much but we beat em and now it’s time to bring on some fresh meat. Guys, I know that I’ll probly get crucifyed for sayin this by you and by Deb if she comes over here but seriously I believe LSU SHOULD play OS.

  25. sssjim7 says: Dec 4, 2011 2:23 AM

    If LSU plays Alabama again, I probably won’t even bother watching it… and I am not alone. The TV networks want the game that will attract the most viewers, and the BCS wants a game that will not cause the cry for a playoff to increase.

    I believe that when the final BCS poll comes out tomorrow, OSU will somehow be #2. Last week adjustments in SOS will boost OSU…

    Besides… I would LOVE to see Alabama play Boise State… their fans have been screaming at each other all year… lets settle it on the field!

    Just my .02

  26. thecraigslistkiller says: Dec 4, 2011 2:23 AM

    They already had their chance and lost at home.

  27. frank booth says: Dec 4, 2011 2:27 AM

    I was all on board with LSU playing Alabama in the NC. However, both teams are 11-1 at the end of the day, with Oklahoma State playing a decidedly tougher schedule, with more wins against winning teams (7 to Alabama’s 4). Alabama has wins against 2 presently ranked teams- Oklahoma State has wins over 4.

    They had the bad loss against Iowa State in OT- Alabama had the close loss to #1 in OT.

    What ultimately swings it for me is that Alabama stayed home to watch the conference championship games while OK State played and won theirs. Hinging your season to a “good” loss and then sitting at home to watch the conference championship doesn’t just doesn’t seem right. Hopefully the voters will see this and swing their votes to Oklahoma State.

  28. norcalirish says: Dec 4, 2011 4:09 AM

    OSU. Better wins, tougher schedule, no rematch. Why is this even a debate?

  29. yukonbelle says: Dec 4, 2011 7:12 AM

    @Frank Booth, I shared your attitude. I said that Alabama “earned” the #2 slot. Now I think that OSU has “earned” it, and Alabama has not. They should have beaten us in Tuscaloosa, Alabama if they wanted to play in the NC. Now it’s OSU’s turn. Sorry Deb. I was in your corner, but last night changed my opinion. OSU, I hope to see you in the NC.

  30. goblue714 says: Dec 4, 2011 7:36 AM

    Since college football is all based on opinion I pick Michigan to play SMU for the national title, SMU would kill LSU! And michigan can beat the new england patriots. With the BCS we all live in a fantasy world.

  31. gators56 says: Dec 4, 2011 9:28 AM

    Bama doesn’t deserve it. They lost at home to LSU. Let OSU give it a try. Their last win was impressive and Bama was home for the big dance – they didn’t even win their division and are going to play for the National Championship???? No way. Those factors are enough to push OSU ahead of Bama.

    I HATE THE BCS!!!

  32. alligatorsnapper says: Dec 4, 2011 9:46 AM

    That sort of is indicative of changing opinions. OK State wipes out OK and opinions change to have OK State in #2. Alot of teams could, would, beat LSU, let’s see Sisters of the Poor would beat LSU and a few other high school teams, maybe middle school?

    We have not heard the drum each week pounded on how a team would beat the Green Bay Packers. Pro football analysts have more sense, that the stupid talking heads who cover college football. Lou Holtz, are you listening?

  33. florida727 says: Dec 4, 2011 10:01 AM

    Check Ben’s article. Items in favor of OSU over Alabama…

    Better FBS opponent win %
    More wins v. teams 6-6 or better
    More wins v. AQ conference teams
    More wins v. current BCS ranked teams
    More wins v. current BCS ranked teams on the road
    Higher margin of victory v. BCS ranked teams

    Plus one NOT listed: OSU has beaten TWO teams ranked in the Top 10 at the time they played. Alabama has beaten NONE.

    Face it, Alabama had their chance, AT HOME, and couldn’t get the job done. OSU’s lone loss came on the day they learned their women’s basketball coaches were killed in a plane crash. Yes, it was to an unranked team, but seriously, they deserve consideration.

    BTW, for those of you that don’t like 9-6 games, all that tells me is you’ve never played defense before. Sometimes it’s just more fun being the “hitter” than the “hittee”. Trust me…

  34. cowhawkfan says: Dec 4, 2011 11:47 AM

    On this site at least, OSU is a runaway winner. But, the BCS process will still replay ALABAMA v. LSU. I don’t know if it’s the media vote or the “computers”, but the BCS has no interest in determining the two best teams. Remember a few years ago when Boise State and TCU were matched against each other rather than let each of them play the so-called “big boys”? Same thing will happen here, OSU will lose out and stay at #3 to protect the SEC reputation. I believe the East Coast and SEC voters quill keep OSU out. Some voters will even have OSU as the number 4,5, or 6 team to ensure they don’t get in the title game.

  35. fitz79 says: Dec 4, 2011 12:22 PM

    Please not another field goal competition between LSU and Bama! College football fans deserve better than a snooze fest for the national championship game of all games. Imagine the explosive offense of OK St versus the stout defense of LSU. The LSU and Bama squads resemble each other too much.

  36. dunk4547 says: Dec 4, 2011 12:46 PM

    Bama had their chance, they lost AT HOME to LSU, though the Sugar Bowl will favor LSU.. I want to see Les Miles face his former team, for those of you who forgot, he was the head coach at OSU before bolting for LSU. Cowboys want revenge!

  37. musicman495 says: Dec 4, 2011 2:33 PM

    Do not know how you can be #2 in country based only on defense and a running back, when your kicker and QB simply cannot play at this level. Last I saw, those were pretty important positions too. As Urban Meyer said when Florida leapfrogged an idle Michigan a few years ago, Alabama had their shot. The Game of the Century was not a defensive struggle, it was the bore of the Century thanks to two mediocre offenses. LSU has greatly improved since then thanks to Jordan Jefferson. Alabama has done nothing to improve since then. No rematch.

  38. sec919 says: Dec 4, 2011 2:55 PM

    Ok st lost to a awful 6-6 team. You do not deserve a shot at the title after a game like that. Much less the fact that their defense is worse than pathetic. People may not want to watch a rematch but Alabama is defiantly a better team than ok st.

  39. goblue714 says: Dec 4, 2011 3:08 PM

    The green bay packers were 10-6 last year, in the BCS system they wouldn’t have been in the top 25. In the NFL they won all 3 road playoff games and the superbowl. Let’s be honest here the only people that wanna see a rematch are bama fans.

  40. sec919 says: Dec 4, 2011 3:16 PM

    It is not about wanting to see a rematch. Alabama is just the best competition for LSU. Without at least a plus 1 this is just how it is. Ok st vs LSU would not be a fun game to watch either. It would be over by halftime. Gundy thinking his team could even come close to putting 30 points on LSU is insane. The best they could hope for would be a 40-6 loss.

  41. goblue714 says: Dec 4, 2011 3:31 PM

    We don’t know LSU would kill OSU until they play.

  42. sec919 says: Dec 4, 2011 3:35 PM

    After watching both teams this year it is a fair assumption. They give up like an average of 42 points a game. I’m not pushing for Alabama but its unfair to want Ok st over them when both teams have a loss. The difference is two whom they lost to.

  43. sec919 says: Dec 4, 2011 3:36 PM

    *to*

  44. burntorangehorn says: Dec 4, 2011 3:44 PM

    sec919, no, that’s not the difference. They both lost by a FG in OT, and yes, LSU is a tougher opponent than ISU. But OSU also beat a much, much tougher schedule than Alabama did.

  45. sec919 says: Dec 4, 2011 3:49 PM

    A better schedule consisting of teams that couldn’t win 3 games in the SEC. There is a reason the SEC has won 5 straight. And it is not a conspiracy. They have proved it year after year.

  46. blueinok says: Dec 4, 2011 4:13 PM

    This will pain me to have to use the as an example (since I wanted a rematch of OSU and UM) but this is why you shouldn’t rematch in your conference for the NC. When Michigan lost to Ohio state (42-39 in the last seconds of the game) and we did not have a rematch some believed that OSU would beat Florida and since I was at the Rose Bowl – the USC fans we ran into were pretty certain that this would be the year that Michigan beat USC. Neither happened. If we would have had a rematch we would have had OSU / Michigan as #1 &#2 (or vice versa) and it would have not been right. I am now a firm believer that you do not win your conference – you do not play in the NC. Besides after the butt whooping OSU put on OU – who says they aren’t better than Bama? Not me.

  47. blueinok says: Dec 4, 2011 4:19 PM

    Besides who doesn’t want to see the former OSU coach play the current OSU coach? C’mon human voters BE A MAN – vote for OSU.

  48. aanderson91 says: Dec 4, 2011 4:46 PM

    Point blank, Saban is not going to allow another tiger victory pass by him. If you want to see a legitimit BCS national championship game, the cowboys is not the greatest route. Sure no one wants to watch another LSU/Alabama game. I will have to agree, it was the worse game of the season, but it was challenging for both teams. If there were to be a rematch between the two teams, the coaches and the players will have a complete different mentality. On another note, if I had the chance to set a match between number two rivals, Crimson Tide vs OSU, I would say bring it on Cowboys… Crimson Tide deserves another chance against LSU to even have the BCS considered a national championship game. Saban wants it, Alabama wants it, and LSU will be terrified to face the Crimson Tide again because they fear their perfect season will end against their biggest enemy!

  49. burlyisatruefan says: Dec 4, 2011 5:01 PM

    Okie State has earned it. Bama babies can
    s. u. k. i. t.

  50. aanderson91 says: Dec 4, 2011 6:37 PM

    Bama is playing in the BCS…

  51. kansas525 says: Dec 4, 2011 7:24 PM

    The “terrible” 6-6 team probably would have been 8-4 or, at worst 7-5 in the SEC this year. And, as most coaches should know, but obviously their SEC bias made them forget, it is a lot harder to compete against a top notch quarterback every week (RGIII, Jones, Klein, Doage, Weedem. etc.) then to see one once every 3 or 4 weeks. Actually, did Alabama face a true top notch quarterback this year? The LSU offense sure doesn’t qualify. They did not get a first down in the first half against Georgia. Their defense did most of the scoring. Put them against an offense that normally does not make mistakes (+19 in turnovers this season). One slip and your gone. Give me OSU-LSU anyday.

  52. sec919 says: Dec 4, 2011 7:37 PM

    They are only considered top notch due to the sub par defenses they play against. None of them would have 1/2 those numbers playing in a conference with even decent defenses. Typical west coast thinking. The SEC has shut down every high powered team they have faced in last 5 BCS games. Use some comin sense.

  53. sec919 says: Dec 4, 2011 7:38 PM

    *Common*

  54. goblue714 says: Dec 4, 2011 8:01 PM

    @sec

    You know what they say about assuming? Not to get off subject here but is jonah hill smoking crack?

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