Earlier today, we recapped the testimony by Penn State assistant coach Mike McQueary, a key figure in the Jerry Sandusky case who, in 2002, allegedly witnessed an act of sexual abuse by Sandusky on a young boy.
While McQueary’s account of the alleged incident has changed on more than one occasion, the testimonies of former coach Joe Paterno, athletic director Tim Curley and recently retired VP of Business and Finance Gary Schultz (both are facing perjury charges) provided explicit, and very disheartening, information on how the alleged incident was handled by PSU administration. Below is a recap of those testimonies.
(A huge, huge thank you to Cory Giger of the Altoona Mirror for the Twitter updates. Follow him at @corygiger)
Paterno’s testimony was read first. The meeting between McQueary and Paterno after McQueary allegedly witnessed the sexual abuse remains one of the more crucial, yet vague, components of this scandal.
“He said he had something that he wanted to discuss. I said come on over to the house,” Paterno said in the testimony. ”He had seen a person, not an older but a mature person who was fondling or whatever you might call it.
“It was a sexual nature.”
Okay, so Paterno and McQueary agree that the incident was indeed sexual.
“I didn’t go any further than that,” Paterno said of the conversation. “I did tell Mike, ‘Mike, you did what was right. You told me.’”
But what Paterno said next was the bombshell of the testimony. On what his immediate reaction was after learning of the incident from McQueary:
“I ordinarily would have called people right away, but it was a Saturday morning and I didn’t want to interfere with their weekends.”
Curley, whose testimony would be read next, claimed he was contacted on Sunday, the next day, by Paterno.
“I said, ‘Hey, we’ve got a problem,’ and I explained the problem to him,” Paterno said of his conversation with Curley. “I have a tremendous amount of confidence in Mr. Curley, and I thought he would look into it.
“I do not know of anything else that Jerry would be involved with.”
That was the end of the Paterno testimony; next was Curley.
The athletic director said that he and Schultz went over and met with Paterno following the coach’s meeting with McQueary. Exactly when that meeting was on the timeline wasn’t explicitly stated.
“The individual [McQueary] heard and saw, I guess, two people in the shower,” Curley said of what he was informed. ”The individual was uncomfortable.”
Curley then said he met with McQueary.
“I can’t recall the specific conversation with Mike and exactly how he said it,” Curley said. ”My recollection was that they were kind of wrestling, there was body contact and they were horsing around.”
When asked if McQueary provided any explicit details, such as if there was any penetration that he witnessed, Curley said “absolutely not.”
Curley and Schultz then shared the information of that meeting to former PSU president Graham Spanier, who, in turn, made the recommendation to report the incident to Second Mile. The Grand Jury’s summary of the Sandusky scandal states that Curley did indeed inform Second Mile CEO Jack Raykovitz of the 2002 incident.
Curley, before reporting what he had heard to Raykovitz, says he met with Sandusky.
“[I] told him that we were uncomfortable with the information,” Curley said.
Sandusky, according to Curley’s testimony, did not initially admit to being in shower with boy, but later admitted that he did.
“I indicated to him… he was not to use our facilities with young people,” Curly testified, also acknowledging that there was no practical way to enforce that “punishment”. ”I was the one that came forward to say that this is the appropriate action, that we need to report it to The Second Mile.”
Beyond that, Curley said he did not contact the police — that was his own decision — nor did he attempt to find out the identity of the alleged victim because he didn’t think the incident was sexual in nature (um, read the above paragraph).
“I didn’t think that it was a crime at the time.”
Curley added that he did not know about the 1998 investigation of Sandusky.
“I don’t remember any reports to me that it were sexual in nature,” Curley said.
That was the end of Curley’s testimony. Next was Schultz’s. It was particularly damning and thoroughly depressing.
Schultz testified that doesn’t remember Paterno’s exact words about the shower incident when he met with the coach along with Curley… that it was spoken of ”in a very general way… that maybe Jerry might have grabbed the young boy’s genitals.“
“The allegations came across as not that serious,” continued Schultz. “There was no indication that it was [criminal]… Not all inappropriate conduct is criminal.
“I can imagine instances where an adult man would be in a shower with young boys.”
When asked if he thought it was criminal for a man to grab a boy’s genitals, Schultz replied “I don’t know.”
When asked to describe the definition of sexual conduct, Schultz replied “I don’t know.”
However, Schultz agreed that with the assessment that no adult male should grab the genitals of a young boy.
“I don’t recall him telling us what he observed specifically.” said Schultz of McQueary’s description of the alleged incident (although the term “horsing around” was thrown around quite a bit). Schultz added that no one went back to McQueary and asked for specifics.
Schultz, like Curley, was asked about the 1998 investigation of Sandusky. However, unlike Curley, Schultz claimed to have a recollection of at least some information involving the case.
“I thought it had some basis of inappropriate behavior but without any specifics at all,” Schultz said.
Schultz did not meet with Sandusky over any of the alleged incidents, nor did he seek out the 1998 report after hearing about the 2002 incident.
“I had the impression that Tim did follow through [with Child Protective Services]” on making sure Sandusky couldn’t bring kids to football facilities. “The incident in 2002, again, I recall that it was also turned over to the same agency for investigation” as ’98 case.
“As far as I know the university asked the other agency to follow up, as they did in ’98.”
Schultz added that he agreed with Curley’s recommendation for how things should be handled after hearing about 2002 incident, and like Curley, did not attempt to discover the identity of Victim 2.
When asked if there was anything strange about Sandusky retirement, Schultz replied “No, I candidly have recollections that Coach Paterno and Jerry had reached a point where Coach Paterno felt it was necessary to make a coaching change.”