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Ohio State to learn NCAA fate today

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Over four months after appearing in front of the NCAA’s Committee on Infractions, Ohio State will learn how big of a hammer the NCAA will lay down on its football program.

According to the Associated Press, OSU athletic director Gene Smith confirmed that the NCAA’s COI will hand down its final sanctions at 3 p.m. ET.  A release from the school/governing body of collegiate athletics is expected at some point after that.

The sanctions will stem from impermissible benefits received by football players and ultimately led to the firing/resignation/retirement of head coach Jim Tressel.  After appearing in front of the COI Aug. 12, the school’s compliance department also discovered players were given cash by a now-former booster at a charity event as well as being overpaid by the same booster who provided the players jobs.

OSU has already self-imposed several sanctions, including vacating all of the wins from the 2010 season; stripping itself of five scholarships total over a three-year period; returning BcS bowl money received following the ’10 season; and probation.  The NCAA can either accept the self-imposed sanctions and add to them.

The fact that the NCAA also levied a failure-to-monitor charge on the university has led some to believe that the NCAA will slap the football program even harder.  Others insist the fact that Urban Meyer agreed to take over as head coach was a sign that there aren’t likely to be many if any additional sanctions imposed.

Tressel, incidentally, fully expects to receive a multi-year show-cause penalty from the NCAA for his decision to lie and coverup the initial information he received on potential violations committed by at least two of his players.  Such a penalty would effectively end The Vest’s collegiate coaching career, at least for the foreseeable future.

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  1. goblue714 says: Dec 20, 2011 10:03 AM

    absolutly nothing will happen today “slap on the wrist”. This is just a formality because we all know OSU makes way to much money for the NCAA. So let the dog and pony show begin.

  2. woebegong says: Dec 20, 2011 10:15 AM

    They might get a few less recruits for a couple of years, but they sanctioned themselves pretty harshly and beat the NCAA to the punch, and I bet they don’t get a lot of additional punishment.

  3. 78lion says: Dec 20, 2011 10:19 AM

    goblue, how does OSU football make money for the NCAA? Last I looked, they don’t give a plug nickle of their football money to the NCAA.

  4. bigdinla says: Dec 20, 2011 10:21 AM

    OSU will not get anymore penalties they are the NCAA’s golden child. If they were an SEC school they would get hammered!

  5. arizonapetdoctor says: Dec 20, 2011 10:23 AM

    If it is anything less than the penalties that USC received it will be apparent that the entire system is corrupt. It is hard not argue the merits of the USC case (or lack thereof) as compared to tOSU case, including, that multiple player involvement, head coaching cover-up, booster involvement, etc. all seems to pale in comparison to an agent trying to recruit a player that has already played several seasons for the university. Furthermore, for those who believe that USC was caught cheating, what sense does it make for a university to promote an atmosphere which allows agents to recruit player to leave the university EARLY. Makes no sense from a logic perspective. On a tangent, the involvement of Dee and his post at the U… Makes the whole system appear as a farce.

  6. joshuavkidd says: Dec 20, 2011 10:24 AM

    You have to be joking if you think their “self-imposed” penalty was significant! 5 scholarships over 3 years means NOTHING! There are 85 guys on the team at any given time. And the only people on the planet who care of vacating wins are the fools who run the NCAA… complete joke.

  7. woebegong says: Dec 20, 2011 10:28 AM

    It depends on what SEC school, is accused. If it could affect a lot of money, say like in a bowl ban or a NC, the NCAA kind of appears to me to over look things a little. This is not only in the SEC though. I have never seen any organization that puts out a 300 page handbook, but almost always takes the advice of the particular investigator as far as the punishment dealt out. They appear to have very little punishment guidelines, because if they did, there would be fairness in assessing the violations and the punishment would be uniform.

  8. woebegong says: Dec 20, 2011 10:32 AM

    I believe they also forfeited a bowl win and a seasons worth of victories although I am not sure that that means much. I believe that they also gave up some bucks, although I am not sure who gets that money, in the end. As far as the records go, it is just counted as a no contest for historical data. What OSU is hoping is that they gave themselves the punishment and that will be enough.

  9. joshuavkidd says: Dec 20, 2011 10:36 AM

    Woebegong – and what does any of that matter? No one cares about vacating wins because it doesn’t effect anything, its meaningless! They currently have the #5 recruiting class so they aren’t hurt in recruiting, they are in the top 10 in terms of revenue so giving up the BCS money means nothing… there is zero punishment here. The only people punished were Tressel and Pryor to some extent and the school gets off the hook and thats the problem.

  10. michiganhockey11 says: Dec 20, 2011 10:36 AM

    The precedent was set when the NCAA brought the hammer down on USC. Should the NCAA stay consistent and give OSU what they gave USC? Yes. Will OSU get the punishment/sanctions that USC got? No, and that will be total bullsh!t.

  11. bertenheim says: Dec 20, 2011 10:47 AM

    If OSU isn’t a favorite son of the NCAA, Gene Smith is. If he survives this the NCAA loses what little credibility it has left.

  12. addict2sport says: Dec 20, 2011 10:48 AM

    I cannot see any circumstances leading to the NCAA being as harsh to OSU as they were to USC. Hopefully the NCAA realizes the mistake they made in the USC punishment and lack of consistencies while they announce that a number of scholarships have been reinstated for USC immediately after they announce they are fine with OSU’s self-imposed sanctions. I know, complete long shot but it is the Christmas season. Regardless, the NCAA and their governing body is a joke.

  13. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Dec 20, 2011 10:59 AM

    @Arizona

    I don’t think u know much about either situation. If u were informed, you would know that the USC situation involved players in TWO sports and USC did everything they could to stonewall the NCAA. Also, if u add everything in our scandal together, it comes to about 5k. That’s a far cry from a house…

  14. buckeye044 says: Dec 20, 2011 11:06 AM

    save your breath angelheart. Coverage for the tattoos has been over the top leading everyone to believe its a situation as bad as UNC or USC or GA Tech or Miami, etc, etc. Facts are, it is not as bad, but who cares about facts.

  15. goblue714 says: Dec 20, 2011 11:06 AM

    Yea it’s called TV revenue and OSU seems to be on TV quite a bit. The bigger the TV rating the higher the advertising dollars. Cmon open your eyes.

  16. woebegong says: Dec 20, 2011 11:11 AM

    I don’t think any of us knows what will happen at 3:00, but I suspect it will not appease most fans on here. I am no fan of OSU by any means, but they did at least punish themselves to some extent. The bowl win vacate means that they are still 0-9 in BCS bowls to the SEC so I suppose that hurts the pride a little. Vacating the wins I think means their big 10 championship for that year as well. What do you think is adequate punishment?

  17. joshuavkidd says: Dec 20, 2011 11:15 AM

    I love the OSU fans who like to gloss over the situation as if the tattoos were the ONLY issue OSU had… nevermind the golf outtings, the fake jobs, the shady call dealership not to mention that fact the the basketball team had already been found to give money to a recruit. Oh and don’t forget Troy Smith who also took money from a booster.

  18. joshuavkidd says: Dec 20, 2011 11:21 AM

    I think punishment, should be just that, a punishment…it what world does taking away an event thats already happened qualify as punishment?

    You want to do it with scholarships, fine but make it count. 5 over 3 years is a joke! make it 5 a year for 3 years. You want it to be a bowl ban, fine make it 2 years not one. If the point of punishment is to deter it from happening again people need to get serious with the penalty.

  19. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Dec 20, 2011 11:41 AM

    @ josh

    U are obviously unaware that ALL THOSE THINGS WERE INVESTIGATED. Good grief. The only wrong doing ate the tattoos and the booster. Period. The end. I

    I bet u think there is a two-headed bat boy living somewhere in Sacramento just cause the Enquirer said so.

  20. arizonapetdoctor says: Dec 20, 2011 11:44 AM

    From 2008 to 2010, six Ohio State student-athletes traded memorabilia for cash and tattoos totaling several thousand dollars in improper benefits.
    Former Ohio State head coach Jim Tressel knew of the improper benefits as early as April 2010 but failed to report the information to Ohio State administration and the NCAA.
    Tressel knowingly played ineligible athletes during the 2010 season.
    Jermil Martin, a backup running-back in 2008-09, traded memorabilia for a discounted Chevy Tahoe.*

    Nine more current Ohio State players traded memorabilia for tattoos and/or cash
    A group (8-12) of former players traded memorabilia for tattoos and/or cash.
    Terrelle Pryor received improper benefits in the form of car loans from local dealers
    Dennis Talbott, a local businessman/photographer, gave Pryor $20,000-$40,000 throughout his career for autographed merchandise
    Talbott took Pryor golfing in 2009, an improper benefit

    Angel, trying to figure out where you seem to know more than I do about the violations? Much more than $5k has been documented.
    Buckeye044, the head coach lying to the university and the NCAA (committing purgery) seems to be a pretty big deal as well. Or at least that is my humble opinion

  21. goblue714 says: Dec 20, 2011 11:45 AM

    I like how OSU vacated their BCS win and supposedly returned the bowl money. The fact is MSU got screwed out of BCS money and the chance to go to their 1st BCS bowl…..god that makes me sick to admit.

  22. 78lion says: Dec 20, 2011 11:46 AM

    NCAA, “We just hope Urban doesn’t fire us”.

  23. 10kmp says: Dec 20, 2011 12:13 PM

    The truth in incontrovertible. Malice (michiganhockey11) my attack it, ignorance (arizonapetdoctor) may deride it, but in the end, there it is… In other words, hater’s gonna hate.

    Ohio State doesn’t get preferential treatment. They’ve lost their head coach, multiple players for anywhere from 5 games to the entire 2011 season, hundreds of thousands of dollars (that went to charity), an 11 win, Sugar Bowl championship season, five scholarships (so far…), and last but far from least, a BIG10 championship.

    If Tressel was the big problem here, and I agree that he was, then he’s paid the ultimate price hasn’t he? The USC situation is different. Period. Not saying the punishment fits the crime there either, but the OSU and USC scenarios are vastly different.

  24. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Dec 20, 2011 12:19 PM

    @ Arizona

    You must read the same periodicals as Josh.

    A little follow-up:

    Of the nine others accused, EIGHT accounted for all of their items and were exonerated. For this reason there was no LOIC. You are so, so misinformed.

    NO, ZERO, NONE of the reported money from Dennis Talbot EVER happened. If you followed the ‘anonymous’ source who reported the info indicated there were a series of checks issued to Pryor from Talbot. ALL FINANCIAL RECORDS WERE EXAMINED and guess what, kool-aid drinker–NOTHING WAS FOUND.

    The car in question with TP was also vetted and CLEARED.

    I bet you think Jim Tressel fixed raffles too…..

  25. drummerhoff says: Dec 20, 2011 12:21 PM

    The NCAA already granted tOSU the right to allow Urban Meyer to recruit the Class of 2012 … before he joins the staff.

    There are two sets of NCAA rules and tOSU and other high profile programs like it get preferential treatment. There will be “nothing to see here” at 3pm.

  26. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Dec 20, 2011 12:34 PM

    @ Drummer

    So you concede that UCLA and Illinois are ‘high profile programs’ ?

    Cause they applied and were granted THE SAME WAIVER!!!

  27. goblue714 says: Dec 20, 2011 12:34 PM

    @angel

    Investigation’s(wink wink). “Sure” they were investigated.

  28. arizonapetdoctor says: Dec 20, 2011 12:48 PM

    we all drink the cool-aide for our own universities. Such is life, that is what makes college football the greatest game out there.

  29. joshuavkidd says: Dec 20, 2011 1:19 PM

    So if the one and only thing you think OSU did was Tattoo-gate then why did the NCAA come back after the additional violations involving inappropriate payment for players who weren';t actually working and the free green’s fee’s, give OSU the failure to monitor charge? Just like Gee some of you OSU fans refuse to open your eyes.

    Oh and OSU didnt lose their coach, they FIRED HIM! Big difference…they used him as a scapegoat.

  30. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Dec 20, 2011 1:38 PM

    No, never said it was only tattoo gate. There was also the overpayment of money for the appearance of players at a charity event–that is what resulted in the FTM.

    Why are people so outraged over tattoos, a game of free golf and a few hundred dollars???

    I guess abortions, yachts, 25k for false recruiting tapes and 47K worth of impermissble benefits just arent sexy enough for you people.

  31. joshuavkidd says: Dec 20, 2011 1:44 PM

    I am sure you would sing a different tune if this situation was levied on Michigan…

    People are outraged because OSU going back for years (Clarrett and the teaching claiming preferential treatment, troy smith money from boosters, Pryor, etc, etc) has been cheating the system and getting away with it.

  32. olskool711 says: Dec 20, 2011 1:46 PM

    Is this the same ohio state that was gifted a bs bowl game last year, that they didn’t deserve, and then had delaney and gee force the ncaa to allow blatant violators to play in it rather than suspend them?

    Yea, the ncaa will be just. Yea!

    ps. congrats michigan on being handed a bs game you didn’t deserve. Seems there is a trend happening…

  33. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Dec 20, 2011 1:52 PM

    Hey Josh,

    scUM is actually on probation for additional work-outs (I mean, I know tattoos give you super-human strength and absoultely result in a competative advantage on the field) and for the most part, my Buckeye circle thought, ‘meh.’

    Oh, since you brought up Clarett, I guess SUSPENDING HIM FOR THE ENTIRE FOLLOWING SEASON wasnt good enough for you.

    Troy Smith SUSPENDED FOR THE BOWL GAME AND THE TEXAS GAME (.5) THE FOLLOWING SEASON. Still not good enough apparently.

    Terrelle Pryor NO LONGER ON THE TEAM AND BANNED FOR FIVE YEARS FROM THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT. Oh, we didnt draw and quarter him in the public square. I see why you are upset.

    Oh, and then theres the vacated season, the vacated bowl win, the forfeit of the over 300K in bowl money, the vacated B1G Championship and wait–I know there’s something else….

    OH YEAH WE FIRED OUR COACH!!!

    What. More. Do. You. Want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  34. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Dec 20, 2011 1:56 PM

    Bowl ban being reported.

  35. 305fan says: Dec 20, 2011 2:00 PM

    The hammer is on its way. Maybe if OSU would have been more cooperative from the beginning; the sanctions would be less painful. Get ready for at least 2 bowl bans and at least 5 scholarships a year for 3 years.

    As a Canes fan, I hope i’m wrong. If the NCAA goes soft on OSU; I’ll feel better about whats coming our way. Also to everyone out there that thinks they know what’s really going on. Don’t believe everything you read. The media loves to blow things way out of proportion. It’s what they get paid to do. If they only reported facts; we would never listen to or read thier stories.

  36. joshuavkidd says: Dec 20, 2011 2:02 PM

    Angel you make my point exactly… how many more violation do we have to list out before the university finally fixes its problem???

  37. 305fan says: Dec 20, 2011 2:06 PM

    I just saw 1 year bowl ban for 2012. We’ll see if they stop there at 3:00.

  38. dkhhuey says: Dec 20, 2011 2:23 PM

    Okay

    If you believe the Columbus Dispatch (who missed the Tat5 and Tressel-gate story COMPLETELY) – they are reporting ‘their great sources (cough cough) as a 1 year bowl ban and the loss of 4 additional scholarships.

    A bit excessive in my opinion, but not at all too painful. I will wait until the official announcement before I believe anything printed in the Dispatch, though.

  39. goblue714 says: Dec 20, 2011 2:29 PM

    I say DEATH PENALTY! Only cuz I hate ohio state. Rhymes huh?

  40. sunhawk00 says: Dec 20, 2011 4:03 PM

    Being another Canes fan I’m torn. There are widespread problems that need to be addressed and won’t be as long schools just get their wrists slapped. Regardless of the rhetoric that flowed out of the NCAA this summer about cracking down, I don’t expect it to happen in a proper manner for either OSU (or Miami).

    That said, the coolaid that Buckheads are drinking is amazing. “We’ve been soooo punished already.” Really? Suspensions for the selfish punks who caused the problems in the first place. Only an idiot would think that the handful of games suspensions that are typically handed out are anything resembling a deterrent. If it was, there would be fewer of these problems instead of more. Standard suspensions of the rest of the season (or next season if it’s too close to the end of the year) might make some of these selfish idiots think twice about what happens IF they get caught. I did say if because I fully suspect that more not less of this stuff will happen and it will be farther under the table.

    Vacating games is a farce that only the truly simple think is a valid punishment. It means nothing.

    And then they finally fired their coach as if this was a punishment. You know the guy who covered up and lied over and over about known violations. If any of us had done similar things in our jobs, we’d have been fired so fast to make our heads spin.

    For the sake of the sport I hope they get hammered properly in a way that will make punks think twice. However, given that the Canes are next in line I know what that will mean for them.

  41. thekatman says: Dec 20, 2011 6:08 PM

    Ohio State got off too easy on this one. With that said, the blatant NCAA infractrions at Miami, will be met with the same indifference to equality, justice and fairness as was Ohio State. Miami will get off easy as well.

    The only way for the NCAA to show the college football world that they are a fair and just organization, that doles out penalties in a reasonable & prudent way is to reinstate 28 of the 30 schollies USC will lose, in order to conform to anything that’s been doled out recently.

    Let’s see here…. USC gets hit with 30:1 schollie reductions for Reggie Bush’s off campus, 130 miles away from shcool, personal money making deal with 2 crooks, and OSU gets 9 schollies for Tat-gate, taking money from a booster, and a booster paying the players for work they never did. Doesn’t seem equitable, fair, reasonable nor prudent. It is pure hatred and spite by Paul Dee and the NCAA to try to pin down the most successfull program in the past 10 years.

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