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Michigan gets some luck against Va Tech in ugly Sugar Bowl

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It’d been a few years since we saw Michigan in familiar territory — playing in a BCS game, that is. Not only did the No. 13 Wolverines finally get back to one of college football’s elite postseason games for the first time in five years, but first-year coach Brady Hoke managed to pull out a Sugar Bowl win against No. 17 Virginia Tech t0o, 23-20 in overtime.

It’s just how Michigan got the W that remains a mind-boggling mystery.

The X factor in any Michigan game, quarterback Denard Robinson, struggled again throwing the  ball — no surprise there with a 9-for-21 performance — but the junior couldn’t get going on the ground, racking up just 13 yards on as many carries. Michigan’s offense gained only 56 yards on the ground and 184 total yards.

It’s not like they crushed Virginia Tech in the turnover battle (just +1, although they managed points off turnovers) or played amazing defense (they gave up nearly double the amount of total yards and allowed some crucial third down conversions).

But Michigan did have one distinct advantage VT, which falls to 11-3, did not: luck. Things just went U-M’s way tonight.

Sometimes that happens without much of a reason at all.

Consider the fact that the Wolverines didn’t do anything offensively for about 50 minutes in regulation. But a pair of outstanding catches by receiver Junior Hemingway despite some bad throws by Robinson gave Michigan 14 quick points. Honestly, Robinson could have ended tonight’s game with 4 interceptions.

Add in a Va Tech fumble on a kickoff… which led to a fake field goal pass batted around in the air before it was caught by a U-M lineman… which led to another field goal, as well as a fake punt by the Hokies that went horribly wrong.

Or, how about touchdown pass from Logan Thomas to receiver Danny Coale  in the first overtime that was overturned. The ball may have moved when it hit the ground, but indisputable evidence? It was close*. Then, VT’s third-string kicker, Justin Myer, who had been 4-for-4 tonight, missed a fifth field goal that was nothing more than a long chip shot.

(*note: I thought the ball moved, but that’s just me)

Michigan would run three plays on its ensuing overtime possession and kicked a game-winning 37-yard field goal.

BAM. Michigan: Sugar Bowl champs. Just like that.

Frank Beamer looked stunned. I think his expression echoed what all of us were feeling.

But however lucky or… whatever it was that Michigan was tonight… you have to give credit to Hoke for what he’s done in his first year. Wins over Notre Dame, Ohio State and now a BCS victory and 11-2 record? Not much to complain about there. The Wolverines will likely finish the season with a Top 10 ranking and could be a preseason favorite to compete for a Big Ten title in 2012.

If nothing else, it’s just good to have the Maize and Blue competing at a high level again. Whether you’re a fan of ’em or not, college football is better when Michigan is relevant.

Quite on the contrary, the ACC slips further into irrelevancy with tonight’s loss, as the conference is just 2-12 in BCS bowls since the system was created in the late 1990’s.

We can’t wait until the BCS decides to do away with the automatic qualifier status.

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95 Responses to “Michigan gets some luck against Va Tech in ugly Sugar Bowl”
  1. goblue714 says: Jan 4, 2012 12:51 AM

    Go blue!

  2. roundup5 says: Jan 4, 2012 12:54 AM

    The ball that Coale caught, hit the ground out-of-bounds,
    before his foot hit inbounds. Thus, it was not a TD!

  3. eddieapoc says: Jan 4, 2012 12:57 AM

    Who wrote this article? A virginia tech grad? Wow what a joke of an article. I’d like to have the 2 minutes I spent skimming this pathetic excuse for writing back.

  4. ajc85 says: Jan 4, 2012 12:59 AM

    Get your eyes checked roundup, his elbow hit first. I thought it could be called either way, however I didn’t see anything decisive to actually overturn the call on the field.

  5. drummerhoff says: Jan 4, 2012 1:01 AM

    The better team lost, but the best part is an overvalued 2012 Michigan team is good for the pocket.

  6. trick321 says: Jan 4, 2012 1:12 AM

    the “Michigan winning is good for college football” line of reasoning got them into the game in the first place, and even trying to be completely objective, I don’t really feel full of it when I say that it seemed like that line of reasoning impacted this game… I like both teams, and before the game, I was routing for Michigan for the exact reason that its good for college ball… after watching the game though, I just feel bad for VT’s players… its like a teacher picking favorites, makes me sick to my stomach

  7. kiopta1 says: Jan 4, 2012 1:13 AM

    Drummer, I thought the scoreboard showed the better team. Be bitter till next year.

  8. txnative61 says: Jan 4, 2012 1:31 AM

    Yeah yeah, Michigan is good for college ball, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State—-blah blah blah. Of course Boise State, TCU, Houston excelling is bad for college ball. Bullshit!!!! What’s good for college ball would be an equitable system that rewarded performance on the field, regardless of the moneyed fans from large population centers following their team or watching on television.

  9. emperorzero says: Jan 4, 2012 1:33 AM

    I don’t mean this as a knock on Michigan, but I am so tired of hearing college sports are better when (insert team here) is relevant. No they aren’t. I’m a Notre Dame fan and we all know how much the Irish have sucked since ’93, but I don’t think anyone would say college football has suffered for it. Good bowl games and teams that deserve to be in big bowl games (i.e. TCU and Boise State) is what is good for college sports. Try to remember, there was a time when the U wasn’t a national or traditional power. Waiting for a traditional power like Penn State to get their act together is irrelevant. We should be celebrating the schools who are playing good football now, not 25 years ago.

  10. hitnbombs28 says: Jan 4, 2012 1:42 AM

    This game isn’t about which team was lucky or not. Both teams should consider themselves very lucky to have played in one of the BCS bowl games when they were ranked 11 and 17. It’s just sad that the BCS brings matchups like this for what is supposed to be one of the top four bowls, regardless of how good the games end up they should still have the best of the best(i.e. top 10 teams) in the big games. Boise St. would have destroyed either of these two teams(I’m a Texas fan by the way). If I recall correctly didn’t FSU make a BCS bowl one year at .500 or just one game above? F the BCS!!!!!!!!!!

  11. suprmous says: Jan 4, 2012 1:51 AM

    goblue, thought you might be over here and just wanted to congradulate you and your team on winnin. How’s bout sendin up a prayer for LSU for me now,hahahaha. Course “you know who” would probly have you say one for their team first if I didn’t, ya think? Again congrats, goblue.

  12. polegojim says: Jan 4, 2012 2:12 AM

    YESSSSSSSSSS Awesome Michigan Win!

    Even better that the D gets the credit for it, the D kept them in it, the D was the Difference!

    Coaches Hoke and Mattison have delivered FAR beyond expectation. Coach Borges… not impressed w the O strategy tonight… but we’ll save that for another time.

    Hats off to VATech – Great QB.

    Rather than ugly Ben, I’d say Defensive… no game is perfect and Michigan did what was necessary when it counted.

    GO BLUE!
    Hail to the Victors Valiant!

  13. polegojim says: Jan 4, 2012 2:22 AM

    @txnative61 – Communism has no place in NCAA football! Michigan proved they belonged there as anticipated.

    @drummerhoff -um…that overvalued team you’re talking about…WON! Makes us NOT overvalued then, eh?

  14. barnesaintnoble says: Jan 4, 2012 4:01 AM

    It was an ugly game with VT playing great TOTAL defense and Michigan only playing great red zone defense. But it doesn’t matter how you stop them from scoring as long as you do, and Michigan did. Michigan did beat up on VT on special teams, forced fumble on kick return and blew up a fake punt. VT also beat itself by a roughing the kicker on a Michigan punt.

    I’m not going to argue on who should have been there, because it’s not worth it. These two teams played each other – not their choice, and they were both off their games today. The refs made the right calls – if the ball hits the ground its not a catch or INT. Michigan grinded it out and won, and even though it was extremely ugly – a wins a win.

  15. indi0228 says: Jan 4, 2012 6:11 AM

    This game was a joke. Neither team belonged in it and UM had no business winning an awful game. This is everything that’s wrong with college football.

  16. bigbear42 says: Jan 4, 2012 6:40 AM

    Neither team team deserved to be in a BCS game and they both proved it on the field. The game was way too sloppy to have been exciting. Just a tornado of terrible.

  17. southernpatriots says: Jan 4, 2012 6:55 AM

    Congratulations to the Big Blue, the UM team, Coach Hoke and all Blue fans! This may well show the Wolverines are ready to schedule a field on field at The Big House and at Deaf/Death Valley at LSU. Let us work on this from both ends to see this a reality soon. LSU–Michigan would be a game which would garner much attention and attendance.

    Congratulations again!

    polegojim, many kudos and all congrats. What you said about Hoke some time ago is proving correct. Now let us get THE GAME scheduled. I think where it stands now is that UM needs to determine where in the schedule over the next 10 years will they counter-offer the games.

  18. arrows80 says: Jan 4, 2012 7:05 AM


    1) Big Blue = Kentucky, not Michigan you bandwagon-jumping loser.

    2) So your “quarterback” throws for just over 100 yards, and now you want a piece of LSU? Seriously?

    3) What does it mean to “schedule a field on field?” Help, please.

    Good day.

  19. burlyisatruefan says: Jan 4, 2012 7:13 AM

    southernpatriots is a sec jock sniffer. He or prabably she wouldn’t know who Big Blue was because of that sec education thing.

    Both bama and michigan lucked into their bowls.

    Don’t get me started on v tech.

    Glad I didn’t waste 3 hours watching the sucrose bowl. Sounds like it was a boring game.

    sucrose selection committee sucks

  20. jdesan says: Jan 4, 2012 7:16 AM

    WTF? Michigan is as lucky as the Steelers! Whatever call they need, they get it. Lucky win over N.D. Lucky to beat a 6 win OSU team as their QB over threw wide open receivers all day.

    Outgained 2 to 1…3 INTs called back or droped…Robinson 13 yrds rushing… it goes on and on.

    Your team had a blessed year Mich fans…next year won’t be so easy…. or lucky! Unless…you can get another 3rd team Kicker to miss a filed goal.

  21. southernpatriots says: Jan 4, 2012 7:18 AM

    arrows80: Thank you for the arrows. Sorry for the mis word, Big, no offense, thinking of the Big House at the time. We are all LSU alums going back generations, with one Georgia alum and great former player married into our family of purple and gold. Sorry again for the brain blip. Our brains are sadly somewhat otherwise compromised…we had a young boy die when doctors told us he would make it through the pneumonia he had…we are working in Central Appalachian right now as we have done for the past almost 30 years at Christmas season, and I only have a Internet connection for another couple of days until we return home to the much warmer confines of south Louisiana. Apologies again for the mispost. (we have been working on getting Michigan, Ohio State, Stanford, BYU, Notre Dame, Oregon (again), Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, TCU (the last two were just recently scheduled by the AAD of LSU, following many weeks of conversations and encouragement from our brother who knows him).

    Have a great day!

  22. bangitfootball says: Jan 4, 2012 7:26 AM

    Frank Beamer and his coaches blew this game for VT with terrible predictable conservative play calling ( hand off straight ahead one more time on 1st and 10, get stuffed and try it again on 2nd and 10). Beamer constantly played for the field goal and was afraid to win this game. And then the refs finally stole it form them at he end after trying all game by taking away a O/T TD. Disgraceful performance all around. The time has come, Beamer needs to go.

  23. txnative61 says: Jan 4, 2012 7:35 AM

    @polegojim– Communism huh. Hard to figure where you got that. But you seem to agree that Michigan bought their way into the game by having lots of fans who would pay anything to get out of their miserable State in January.

  24. rrrrllllbbbb says: Jan 4, 2012 7:50 AM

    Michigan – 23
    Virginia Tech – 20
    Game is over now move on!

  25. opie333 says: Jan 4, 2012 7:57 AM

    VA tech beat Michigan all over the field. The refs screwed them in the end! That ball Coale made at the end was a catch! By the way I’m not a fan of ether team, I just don’t like to see anyone get hosed at the end of the game. I would not crown Hoke as a great coach yet he took Rich Rodriguez team that most are upper class men now and still had to have the ref’s give to them in the end!

  26. goblue714 says: Jan 4, 2012 8:22 AM

    Wow, what a bunch babies on here. You better get your diapers changed. LSU is lucky we didn’t play them this year(butt kicking all over the field). Michigan would win the SEC, the west or the east. My statements are to annoy everyone so let the whinning begin.

  27. jdesan says: Jan 4, 2012 8:31 AM

    Well goblue714:

    you can say fans are whinning but if you are a true fan you know your team sucked and was lucky to win.

    You will never Win against decent opponents with Robinson. ( unless your luck continues) He has almost as many INTs as TDs.

    Seek the truth and you shall be free!

  28. goblue714 says: Jan 4, 2012 8:35 AM


    As much as I would love to see the big ten play the SEC in the regular season it’ll probably never happen now. Our A hole league president locked us in with the pac 12 for years to come. When it comes to progress jim delany holds us back, 1st with the BCS , then with expansion(missouri notre dame), now with a playoff.

  29. drummerhoff says: Jan 4, 2012 8:36 AM

    Since Michigan fans are only capable of believing the mainstream media, this from espn’s Rittenberg:

    “Michigan, were outgained 377-184 and recording 10 fewer first downs than Virginia Tech. The Wolverines’ only touchdowns came on passes that looked like interceptions when they left quarterback Denard Robinson’s hands (he threw one pick and had two others overturned by replay on the same drive).

    Every big break went Michigan’s way, including a pass by wide receiver Drew Dileo on a fake field goal that hit a Virginia Tech player and landed in the arms of long snapper Jareth Glanda. The Hokies also had a diving touchdown catch by Danny Coale in overtime overturned by replay.”

  30. dcviking says: Jan 4, 2012 8:36 AM

    Wow, what a bunch babies on here. You better get your diapers changed. LSU is lucky we didn’t play them this year(butt kicking all over the field). Michigan would win the SEC, the west or the east. My statements are to annoy everyone so let the whinning begin.


    Proof that some people don’t stop drinking even after the holidays. Best laugh so far in 2012.

  31. outlawjerseywhales says: Jan 4, 2012 8:41 AM

    burlyisatruefan says:

    “Glad I didn’t waste 3 hours watching the sucrose bowl. Sounds like it was a boring game.”



    “I watched every moment of this event. Including pre-game. And post-game.”

    P.S. “And every commercial! I didn’t even go the the lavatory! I was delighted to wallow in my own bodily waste products in exchange for the pleasure of watching this game!”

  32. scoregasmic says: Jan 4, 2012 8:45 AM

    I it was a good game that shoulda happened in the Capitol one bowl…Boise state got snubbed, Michigan state got snubbed, tcu got snubbed, snub snub snubs there should never be two ACC teams in BCS games and how the BCS can justify putting Michigan over Michigan state is just stupid, Michigan State had the tougher schedule beat better teams, were in the big ten championship and lost a close one so they’re punished for that? While Michigan played a gagillion home games and beat…who exactly? 6 win ohio state? And a terrible notes dame team? Not to mention the Spartans beat Michigan..MSU probably didn’t deserve a BCS game either Boise State was way better than both but no way did Michigan have a better year…BCS bull

  33. mrznyc says: Jan 4, 2012 9:04 AM

    I’m old enough to remember and can attest to the fact that before there ever was a BCS the bitching after Jan 1 was exactly the same.

  34. dkhhuey says: Jan 4, 2012 9:13 AM

    Uff – VT did everything in their power to lose that game. My god, really Frank?!?!?! 4th and 1 on the 50 – you had two very viable and winnable options – go for it, or punt it… WTF were you thinking on a fake punt? One of the STUPIDEST calls I have ever seen.

    As for the TD call – I give up!!! It is a stupid rule. Let’s make it simple again… if the ball touches the ground, it is an incomplete pass… PERIOD. This whole ‘ball did/did not move’ is a ridiculous item to base a decision on. Then again, the entire ball was out of the hands of the UF receiver but that still qualified as a TD. I’m still trying to get my hands on that wonderful logic.

    Anyway, as painful as this is to type, Ann Arbor Community College did what they had to to win the game and sometimes, luck is on your side! I look at the Wisc/Ducks game and when the Wisky receiver fumbled and the ball just stuck to the ground mere inches from the ground – it was obvious who had the luck that night. 9 times out of 10, that ball would have bounced out of bounds but that night – it just planted itself there until the Ducks recovered. That is the beauty and agony of football.

    @Pole – You have always been a classy fan – Congrats on the big win! Ick – I feel all dirty now and need to shower!!!

  35. dkhhuey says: Jan 4, 2012 9:14 AM

    Sorry – meant to type ‘mere inches from the sideline’…

  36. drexelvol says: Jan 4, 2012 9:22 AM

    “We can’t wait until the BCS decides to do away with the automatic qualifier status.”

    I’m confused as to what this game has to do with AQ status as NEITHER team won their respective conference.

    VT was soundly beaten by Clemson in the ACC championship game and didn’t Michigan finish third in the Big 10?

    Neither one of those teams belonged in that game and I was left scratching my head as to why I was watching those two in the Sugar bowl.

  37. sparty0n says: Jan 4, 2012 9:42 AM

    I notice a lot of pro-UM comments here. Bottom line = ugly game for the prestigious Sugar Bowl. Both teams, seemed evenly matched, playing badly.

    Now I see why Sparty wasnt invited to the party. Based on last nights performance, we would have crushed VT.

  38. tampajoey says: Jan 4, 2012 9:43 AM

    You know you’re back on top when “the haters” come out. Go Blue!

  39. Dean Keaton says: Jan 4, 2012 9:48 AM

    The author here is being overly generous by calling Beamer’s irrational decision-making “But however lucky or… whatever it was that Michigan was tonight…”

    After that failed 4th and 1 play when VT was up 6-0 in the first half, every decision that Beamer made was out of fear and stupidity. I agree with those saying it’s time for Beamer to go, he craps his pants in every big game and lets his team down by giving the chance for a victory away.

  40. sparty0n says: Jan 4, 2012 9:57 AM

    This is GREAT! I love to see the scUM fans all excited over their sucky team. It will make the fall that much further next season!

    @Ohio State

    4 loses right there. Good thing they have UMass on their schedule!

  41. polegojim says: Jan 4, 2012 10:08 AM

    @goblue – we play Alabama first game of next season at Jerry Jones’ house. We’re ‘home’ team.

    @SouthPats – thank you…let’s keep pushing for that game. My gut says is 2013-14. Best Wishes on Monday.

    @dk- thank you. Here’s to Urban bringing you back!….that icky feeling happens when you’re rolling in bucknuts!

    @txnative – Michigan earned the right to be there and was an easy pick BECAUSE of strong fan support and loyal alum. We can sell our tickets. And yes, Communism = everything controlled and equal – your desire. Capitalism (where we live) = production/distribution of wealth….made and maintained… by private individuals or corporations = Michigan.

    @ scoregasmic – yadayadayada… and…we WON.

  42. goblue714 says: Jan 4, 2012 10:09 AM


    Don’t you have a pizza to deliver or a couch to burn?


    Yes I am praying for LSU to win, because I love when a wolverine beats an ex spartan(miles vs.saban).

  43. scoregasmic says: Jan 4, 2012 10:11 AM

    @pole like I said it was a good game you won congrats, but yeah…VaTech…good job. Good luck with Bama next year I’m sure it will be a close one…lawlz

  44. polegojim says: Jan 4, 2012 10:11 AM

    @spartyon – be careful what you wish for.

    Congrats on your bowl win. I’m very happy that both Michigan teams won their games. Great year for Michigan football, including the Lions.

  45. goblue714 says: Jan 4, 2012 10:12 AM


    I know we play bama next year but were stuck with the pac 12 for the forseeable future.

  46. scoregasmic says: Jan 4, 2012 10:17 AM

    @goblue- and thank god for that there is not one team in the big ten that can compete with LSU or Bama, or even Arkansas, thats just a fight the big ten should stay out of

  47. dkhhuey says: Jan 4, 2012 10:19 AM

    @pole – you should try it!!!

    Game on next year! I am actually trying to pry my wife out of the desert here in AZ to attend The Game. She went to a small all girls college in Virginia and has never had the experience of attending such a huge game in person. However, leaving sunny and 70 degree weather to sit in an icy cold stadium in late November is a hard sell right now!!!

  48. mogogo1 says: Jan 4, 2012 10:49 AM

    I thought that TD would be overturned but I’m still not totally sure it should have been. “Indisputable” is an incredibly high standard and just not sure it existed on that play. I thought the ball hit the ground but does that equate to it being indisputable? Debatable…

    However, VTech had plenty of errors to cost them the game. Asking a college kicker to go 5 for 5 just to keep you in the thing is asking a WHOLE lot and ultimately he just couldn’t connect on that last attempt in OT.

  49. mwiz64 says: Jan 4, 2012 10:56 AM

    This was as ugly of a win as Ive ever seen. I’m glad we won but I’m not particularly happy with the performance. I know the O line was banged up and I’m sure that was a big part of why Robinson couldn’t get much but that was pathetic. I hope we’re better than that next time we’re in a bowl game.

    Also, definitely rooting for Les over Nick. Never did like Sabin. Oh, and U of M is not ready for the likes of LSU…. Not yet anyway.

  50. CBFAN says: Jan 4, 2012 11:37 AM

    That was an ugly win and I would not move to quickly to credit it all to Brady Joke and staff. I think next year will be much more humbling for Michigan, had some luck this year. Having said that, it is good for the Big Ten to have Michigan at least competing again.

  51. hawkinsob says: Jan 4, 2012 11:50 AM

    Very ugly game that VT should have won.

    My two cents on the replay call: I’ve got no dog in this fight, but I was totally stunned when the announcer thought they might have upheld that Coale TD catch. If they had not overturned that, it would have been a joke. “Elbow hitting first” has zero to do with it. That would only matter if he had caught/controlled that ball with his right hand on the way down (which he did not–the view from the back angle shows that clearly). The ball hit the ground before he got it controlled, which is why they got that absolutely right.

    That said, VT was the better team and should have won that game. Really sloppy ballgame.

  52. elvoid says: Jan 4, 2012 11:58 AM

    I won’t argue about whether Michigan or Tech deserved berths in the BCS. I don’t think the did, as a few other teams were more “deserving,” but who goes to a BCS game has never really been about who’s “deserving,” has it? So anyway….

    The overturned touchdown in OT was an officiating travesty. Not because it was CLEARLY a catch, but for this simple reason:

    It was called a TD on the field. In order to overturn via replay, an intentionally high standard of “indisputable” is held, as well it should be.

    I’ve watched it many times now – and the video was anything but indisputable. A close call, certainly – but in close calls, THE DECISION ON THE FIELD STANDS.

    Having said that, the number of ways Tech killed themselves were multiple. That one missed call could have saved their bacon, sure, but it is not the reason they lost to a team they pushed around all night long.

    They lost it through bad coaching calls for the most part. (A fake punt on that yardline, at that point in the game? Really? Hell, line up and go for it or kick it away – preferably kick it away with the way your defense was playing – but a fake? sheesh.)

  53. liner1900 says: Jan 4, 2012 12:16 PM

    Am I the only one who noticed that the Michigan kicker was offsides all night long on his field goals? He kept taking a half step forward just prior to the snap. He was not reset in time.

  54. reggiemcveggie says: Jan 4, 2012 12:24 PM

    When my wife saw me still up watching this joke of a game I swear a feeling of guilt and shame came over me. Like I was watching granny porn. That’s how bad that game was. Neither team should have been there and Michigan is pathetic. They won, great. But they know they were lucky, not good. Enoy it.

  55. philsheridan2012 says: Jan 4, 2012 12:30 PM

    C’mon. UM is the third best team in a weak conference. They’ve lost to MSU 4 years in a row. There was some luck involved in a close game? How is that news?

  56. reggiemcveggie says: Jan 4, 2012 12:38 PM

    Michigan stunk and Dennard Robinson might be the worst QB I’ve seen ever.

  57. trick321 says: Jan 4, 2012 12:44 PM

    I’m not gonna lie, these are two of my top 5 favorite teams in college football. I love them both. That said, Michigan has improved, and hopefully with this hot recruiting, commitment to toughness, and head start on Ohio State on coaching timeline, they continue to improve and become a great team again. They’re certainly not there yet.

    That said, as a big VT fan, while beating this Michigan team in the Sugar Bowl would’ve been big, VT usually beats about 2 or 3 teams as good as this Michigan team EVERY YEAR. Yes, VT was the better team, and should’ve won. As a VT fan looking at the bigger picture, Tech is stagnant, always beating the teams they should (below #15), and losing to the ones they should (top 10). Beating teams ranked 10-15 is their ceiling (like Nebraska a few years ago).

    Tech is either the winningest or close to the winningest program in college football over the past 10-15 years, yet still can’t ever beat an elite team. You don’t FIRE Beamer for losses like this… that’s completely asinine. What VT needs to do is to take the next step as a program, and start recruiting O-Line better. They have proven they can get solid QBs, skill position guys, and D-front guys, but Michigan SHUT DOWN the middle of the field on Tech, and the passing game and the outside running game were Tech’s only options. Hoke and Mattison are good coaches, but this is the same Defense that got torched for years, you can’t convince me they’re an elite group. If VT wants to take the next step, they need to be able to bang with the big boys inside, and open up some rushing lanes. Recruit O-Line VT. HARD.

  58. philliesblow says: Jan 4, 2012 12:45 PM

    Just heard an audio clip of the post gamer. UM kicker was asked what he was thinking of before the winning kick. Answer: brunette girls. Even as a Spartan, I like that kid!

  59. polegojim says: Jan 4, 2012 12:51 PM

    @ dk – ….maybe wait for 2013… ; )

    @ Reggie – ; ) and we stinking WON.

    @CB – can’t get more humbling that the last 3 years. Nice try though.

  60. tampajoey says: Jan 4, 2012 1:01 PM

    This game was ugly but it was still more exciting than that LSU vs Alabama 9 to 6 snoozefest.

  61. reggiemcveggie says: Jan 4, 2012 1:23 PM

    tampajoey> “This game was ugly but it was still more exciting than that LSU vs Alabama 9 to 6 snoozefest.”

    Only if you enjoy watching train wrecks. That’s all this was. Robinson was horrible. VT coaching was insanely bad. I don’t think it was exciting. I was just waiting to see if anyone died.

  62. TxGrown says: Jan 4, 2012 1:33 PM

    I don’t understand why after going on 4 and 11 and making it. VT didn’t go for it on 4th and 1 in the same series?

  63. reggiemcveggie says: Jan 4, 2012 1:38 PM

    tampajoey> “This game was ugly but it was still more exciting than that LSU vs Alabama 9 to 6 snoozefest.”

    interpretation: I’m ten. I like my football to be just like what I love most in my life. My play station.

  64. dthomas74 says: Jan 4, 2012 1:48 PM

    I am a Michigan fan and I hated this game. It was ugly. There is no denying that fact. Am I glad they won? Hell yes. Do I look forward to what next year will bring? Absolutely! I think the reason people are so excited about Michigan right now is the fact that it has been a long time since there has been a fire in this team. I think Coach Hoke has been a great inspiration to this team. So, yeah, Go Blue!

  65. dkhhuey says: Jan 4, 2012 1:52 PM

    @pole – I’ve done my time in AA for many many games and I’ve been in AZ long enough to say that if I am going to sit in a ridiculously cold stadium – I’ll do it amongst 100,000 of my fellow Buckeye fans!!! But thanks for the invite!!!

  66. drexelvol says: Jan 4, 2012 1:53 PM

    I don’t like either team, but the UM kicker committed a false-start on the fake field goal and from the one replay angle I saw, the overruled TD in OT by VT (that’s a lot of Ts) looked good to me.

  67. jhastrello says: Jan 4, 2012 2:04 PM

    The replay of the disputed call of a VT touchdown (called on the field) and overturned (by the replay booth) certainly seems to be validated by the NCAA rule (as written below):

    Airborne receiver A85 grasps a forward pass and in the process of going
    to the ground, first contacts the ground with his left foot inbounds as
    he falls to the ground out of bounds. Immediately upon A85 hitting the
    ground out of bounds, the ball comes loose. RULING: Incomplete pass
    regardless of whether or not the ball hits the ground because the receiver
    is out of bounds.

    That should hopefully answer questions about the rule and the decision.

  68. clonefan says: Jan 4, 2012 2:10 PM

    @liner1900 > I wondered about that too. I never saw a replay that showed me for sure. But mentioned it to my father-in-law who was watching the game with me….

    I saw a similar non call in an earlier bowl game this year. An on sides kick where the kicker had his mouth guard in the top of his helmet….

    Just curious things I noticed…

    I have really enjoyed this bowl season and look forward to the rest, but has anyone noticed how many bowl games and big games have hinged on field goals?

    Okie State Vs ISU, Okie State Vs Stanford, LSU vs Bama, Boise Vs …, Mich State Vs Georgia, Mich Vs VT, Oregon Vs ?, TCU Vs? ,

    Sorry I don’t know all of the opponents and I know there are more. This is just off of the top of my head….

    And I wouldn’t be surprised if LSU Vs Bama comes down to it again…. Lets hope the kicker (I don’t care which team) makes it this time…. Looking forward to the game!!!!

  69. elvoid says: Jan 4, 2012 2:20 PM


    Thanks for posting the rule, but I’ve watched it a dozen times and I have yet to see “the ball come loose” at any point through the catch.

    The ball DID hit the ground, but it seemed firmly in his grip before it did, and I didn’t see it jostle one bit – in other words, he had a firm grip on it and it did not “come loose” until he let it go. In fact, there was a catch earlier in the game almost identical in that the ball did contact the ground while being caught – but it was upheld because the video was not “indisputable” that the ground contact was before possession nor did it seem to make the ball “come loose” – ruling on the field stood.

    Let me put it this way: the video was such that if it had been called incomplete on the field, I think that should have stood as well. The video was not “indisputable” in either direction to overrule whatever call had been made on the field, and that is the standard that, in my opinion, was blown by the replay official.

    Anyway – Tech lost a game they should have won for many reasons other than this call – many, many reasons. I’m not blaming the call for the loss.

  70. tackledt says: Jan 4, 2012 2:21 PM

    A few items not discussed: 1. no mention of the pass interference call against M which gave Tech a first and goal…the pass was not catchable and it wasn’t holding which kept the receiver from the ball…he was touched by the M d back but the ball wasn’t anywhere near the receiver.2. The refs missed a ton of holding calls against the Tech O line.3. You can whine all you want about how the BCS needs to be fixed (and it does) but most of you don’t know enough about football to add anything of value to the discussion. A. Must have a playoff format similar to basketball (number of teams debatable). B. Must truely have neutral sights ie: the current system favors warm weather schools. Alabama vs. Michigan at Camp Randall Stadium in Wisconsin for example would be a neutral field (football is to be played in all weather conditions cry babys) How long would the SEC dominate if some of the playoff games took place in the mid west and upper midwest…not long I think.

  71. elvoid says: Jan 4, 2012 2:32 PM


    Missed calls and bad calls happen all the time – I’m sure there were enough missed on both sides to go around. Especially holding calls, so I wouldn’t single out Tech for that – you know as well as I do if holding were called on an o-line every time it happened, the game might never end. To paraphrase a former O-lineman I know: “If a lineman ain’t holdin’, he ain’t tryin’.”

    Agree with you on the BCS situation – and about the SEC finding the game a bit tougher in northern conditions in December.

  72. onehokiefan says: Jan 4, 2012 2:40 PM

    I’ve got one solution for all of the griping about Frank Beamer and the play calling……….fire Offensive Coordinator Stinespring ! For more information, login here:

  73. getawaygardens says: Jan 4, 2012 2:55 PM

    Yo “Roundup5” did you even see that play?? LMAO

  74. Dean Keaton says: Jan 4, 2012 3:20 PM

    onehokiefan – Stinespring doesn’t even call the plays anymore, that is so last year. The only play calling problems came from Beamer’s desire to be conservative and run the ball at the worst possible times (i.e. – overtime on 1st and 2nd down? That was just to preserve field goal range, not even trying much to gain yardage)

  75. tjg25 says: Jan 4, 2012 3:45 PM

    Coale not only didn’t have control but he was out of bounds. The play wasn’t even close and should be looked at as a blown call on the field. However, I am curious why there was no false start penaly on Michigan when the kicker moved before the snap on the game winner.

  76. bigboi30 says: Jan 4, 2012 3:53 PM

    Great win, and after our couple of years with bottom of the barrel defence, it was nice to se them step up when needed and get the job done.
    Not taking anything away from VA Tech, great job keeping us at 184 total yards,
    Now for you crybaby so-called fans that are whinning cause thier team lost or wasnt good enough to see a BCS bowl, shut up or grow up. The better team won and both teams deserved to be there. No one cares we got only 184 total yards, because last time I checked, yardage doesnt win games. Michigan made the stops when they needed it, got the turnovers when they needed it, but most importantly, we scored the points we needed to win the game. That non touchdown catch by VA Tech was a great effort (and during the review, I agreed, it could of went either way), but it was not a catch. Reguardless of the elbow, the corner of the ball hit the turf and caused the ball to move. No touchdown. It was a hard call but the right call.
    Great job Hoke. You have brought Michigan back out of the shadows and made us competative again.

  77. goblue714 says: Jan 4, 2012 4:12 PM

    It was a great effort by coale, but the ball landed point down which jarred the ball loose. If that ball is flat it’s a catch. Sure i’m a MICHIGAN fan but a catch is a catch, it was close but he just didn’t make it. Sorry.

  78. elvoid says: Jan 4, 2012 4:58 PM


    And about half of the people that look at the replay don’t see the ball jarred at all. I see it land point down after he pulls it in, but I don’t see it jar at all from the contact with the ground. That’s why it is at best “inconclusive,” nowhere near “indisputable” (which is the standard for overturning a call on the field) and the call on the field should have stood.

    Congrats on the win, though – Tech blew it a dozen other ways before that moment – not blaming this one event.

  79. sameohokies says: Jan 4, 2012 10:02 PM

    Frank looked stunned? being a hokie for 3 decades i can not understand why Frank would look stunned. just look at his bowl record. living off of bowl participation does not cut it. i feel sorry for the players, they outplayed their opponent hands down. it just came down to poor coaching. the hokies on offense never change, year in year out. put them in different uniforms, colors, numbers, what ever….. you cannot mistake them for anything but the hokies. It is the offense, no imagination, no innovation, just same-O same-O. It is time for a change. Bud Foster should become the head coach, and let Bud find an offensive coach. Good bye Frank, you got the hokies to one level, it is time to step aside before the rest of the ACC teams drain the hokies and its followers down to the bottom of the ACC. Look around, the other teams are leaving you behind Frank. It is just not fair to the players.

  80. scoregasmic says: Jan 5, 2012 12:51 AM

    Yeah Ive watched the replay a lot, and tbh who knows what the actual rules are anymore? Even if someone posts it right here for me(cause I know there was someone who was just about to do that when I said that) its all gonna be mumbo jumbo, like what is a catch nowadays? Who cares if the corner of the football touches the ground ZZOMG! If a player has control of it before then why does it matter? It reminded me of the whole Calvin johnson fiasco last year, if you watch the old days you see these amazing catches where the ball hits the ground but who the heck cares that was amazing, and thank god there wasn’t replay around to ruin it. Don’t get me wrong im all for replay but the rules regarding what is and isn’t a catch are way to confusing

  81. goblue714 says: Jan 5, 2012 5:25 AM

    Wow, did anyone see the orange bowl tonight? The ACC looked extremely bad this year. The champion gets rolled by a 9-3 co-big east champion, and the 2nd place team can’t beat the B1G 3rd place team(playing their worst game of the year). Sorry ACC fan’s but that was a terrible showing this year.

  82. jdesan says: Jan 5, 2012 6:35 AM

    Totally agree that UM had no business winning this game. 13th ranked? ..and they luck out against a Team that got blown out by Clemson who just got destroyed by 23rd ranked W.V.

    UM had no business being in a BCS bowl. Even though they had a 10-2 record, the Bowl selection committee needed to look at their wins: Last second Hail mary against ND. Struggle against a bad 6 win Ohio State Team whose QB missed wide open receivers all day! etc, etc.

    Just not fair that fans are subjected to these ridiculous ranking and Bowl matchups.

    UM at the most should have been in the Potato Bowl against Ohio!

  83. goblue714 says: Jan 5, 2012 8:34 AM


    I know SEC teams have more talent but you still have to play the games, and their is always a possibility that any team can beat any team on any given day.


    You really need to get over michigan winning the SUGAR BOWL. If you go to they have some great MICHIGAN SUGAR BOWL CHAMPIONS gear. It’s a great way to commemorate MICHIGAN’s victory in the SUGAR BOWL. If you want i’ll buy you a T-shirt(joke).

  84. scoregasmic says: Jan 5, 2012 9:38 AM

    @goblue- you can only get lucky so much, I’m sure the Alabama Michigan game next year will make my point for me as did the Alabama msu game last year, the SEC is on a different level than the big ten, there’a no gain for the big ten by making it even more obvious

  85. southernpatriots says: Jan 5, 2012 9:46 AM

    dkhhuey: Good friends who were born and raised in Detroit moved to the desert southwest some years ago, they can’t be convinced to go back for any reason, good luck with your wife! ha. I am saying that with our family up here now in the mountains of West Virginia, with huge cold winds cutting through any layers of clothing, ice and snow blowing, icing roads, and all and we are all southern southern (two times intended) guys and gals. Every year we say this is crazy but for the sake of the precious children we come back.

    goblue714: Why are there so many wishing to denigrate the Michigan win? Strange. Reminds us of the Alabama fans (and ESPN) who wanted to say that Alabama won, except for a few field goals. Field goals usually win close games. Period. I guess Georgia fans can now say they won, except for a couple of field goals?

    Our sister tells us that Academy Sports in all Louisiana locations are open all night the night of the BCS NC game in the Superdome. All night. They will have their embossing machines and other machines set up ready to go if LSU wins. I guess in Alabama they will do the same thing for Alabama. Now that is free enterprise in motion!

    What our family hopes to do is to get LSU BCS champion t-shirts and some Michigan Sugar Bowl t-shirts and wear them to see the LSU Associate Athletic Director (AAD for short) after the BCS game and say we want that game in 2013/14, 15 or so. Sorry to hear the PAC 12 games may take precedent. The Big House and Death Valley, both at night would be extraordinary theatre, drama, and games. Because the meeting is so rare, the tv ratings would be huge. We are going to believe somehow it will happen. The LSU Athletic Department has already begun talks with UM Athletic Department, and somehow it will work, we hope.

  86. scoregasmic says: Jan 5, 2012 10:05 AM

    @southernpatriots- it’s not that Michigan didn’t deserve the win, they didn’t deserve to be in the sugar bowl in the first place, I bet I can refute any argument that there is for them deserving to be there. They won but they beat VaTech whoopdie doo, that game was a good beef o’brady bowl matchup.

  87. goblue714 says: Jan 5, 2012 10:38 AM

    @southern dude

    I have just one final point to make….the B1G has obviously had some struggles through the years, but Michigan has always held their own with the SEC. For whatever reason we’ve always matched up well. As of now I have USC winning the NC next year.

  88. tigersgeaux says: Jan 5, 2012 12:01 PM

    goblue714: We are hoping our Michigan footballer, and mentored great coach, Les Miles, will put his pull behind a push toward scheduling UM over the next years.

    scoregasmic: Debates can go on. We participated in a huge number of these over the past many decades. Somebody makes a decision and many times that decision is flawed but all us fans have to live with it. It is over. It may well be another point toward what we have been pushing via letters to all NCAA Div. 1A schools (we have about another 30 letters to send out and we will have sent them to all)–a Div. 1A playoff system.

  89. tigersgeaux says: Jan 5, 2012 12:04 PM

    I am helping SouthernPatriots with their postings. They can call out, send out emails but can’t post here on CFT, so I am it and helping with the letters to the NCAA schools as well since I am a fairly good typist.

    On point. Coach Les Miles was asked about scheduling UM yesterday and he said he would discuss this after the BCS NC game…good answer, and from his expression, a good sign.

  90. onehokiefan says: Jan 5, 2012 2:24 PM

    To all you VTech bashers, intended or not: Come to Blacksburg

  91. tigersgeaux says: Jan 5, 2012 3:04 PM


    Not a VTech basher in any way at any time.

    Did just recently visit the VTech campus at Blacksburg. It is gorgeous! Breathtaking gorgeous, views and all! Who engineered, was the landscape architect, etc. of the campus?

    The animus between Hokies and Mountaineers was really high. Thank God we had something on which both could agree…saving the lives of the poor children in rural West Virginia, or I think there would have been some altercations…smile.

  92. jdesan says: Jan 5, 2012 4:22 PM

    You call that a victory @scoregasmic ???

    You and other UM fans are the only ones in the Country that don’t think VT got jobed! I simply wanted 2 good teams in the Suger Bowl. Neither of these teams deserved to be there but at least VT showed they were the better team. And your right, the games have to be played and anything can happen..just like in this game.

    Robinson is a joke at QB. 13 yrds rushing? And UM pushed him for the Heisman?

    Here’s to VT.. you can beat 11 but not 18 and the replay booth.

    and stick your UM gear you know where..and those hdeous helmets? Please……

  93. scoregasmic says: Jan 5, 2012 6:06 PM

    @jdesan- First of all I am not a UofM fan, secondly I’m on your side…UofM didn’t deserve to be in that game in the first place, but neither did VaTech, I thought it was a questionable call, didnt really see the INDISPUTABLE evidence, but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter UofM took the opportunity and won, I’m not saying VaTech didn’t deserve to win, they probably were more deserving than UofM, but they didn’t so yeah, oh well. Honestly I wish they had won, UofM fans are some of the most annoying fans I know, and I’ve been hearing how great they are all week, they’re not that great and Alabama will expose that next year, so here’s to that.

  94. dkhhuey says: Jan 6, 2012 1:27 PM

    @southern – I hope to severely limit experiencing that exact same condition you are describing!!! The only thing I’d change my gorgeous mountain views and sunny warm weather for would be said sunny warm weather with a beach thrown in!!!

  95. southernpatriots says: Jan 6, 2012 3:13 PM

    dkhhuey: My brother (a retired physician) tells me that he will issue me a prescription for exactly what you describe! ha. I think I am beyond frozen, if there is such a thing. One of my sisters (a nurse, retired) says that she will not allow our brother to write me a prescription without writing all the volunteers a prescription…I am thinking of a small Caribbean island, Tahiti, or similar.

    After watching us drive in this frozen ice all day yesterday, I treasure what our brother told an older Duck fan after the LSU-Oregon game this year at Jerry’s World, that we were southern born and raised and would be some of the first casualties up Oregon during the winter…it is a miracle we did not go over a cliff on several occasions. Driving in these conditions is both a skill and an art!

    Once you have the views you have in the southwest, you can be choosy!!! Don’t rub it in, at least not right now…ha.

    Some of the children we have found in Central Appalachia need specialized medical attention and treatment. We were told to transport them farther north, and we asked could we transport them to St. Jude’s in Memphis or similar location south? ha. They should be arriving there later today. No one wanted to drive farther north, even those who were from farther north. It is no wonder that American football team players want to play in bowls in Phoenix, San Diego, New Orleans, Orlando, etc.

    We know you are enjoying your location, while we are enduring ours…ha. We comfort ourselves in why were are here and what we are doing, but it will be so welcome to return to 60- 70 F south Louisiana.

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