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Associated Press crowns Tide, too

Alabama Crimson Tide running back Richardson holds the BCS trophy after defeating the LSU Tigers during the NCAA BCS National Championship college football game in New Orleans AP

Prior to the BcS title game Monday night, there was a school of thought that, if LSU were to lose a close game to Alabama, the Associated Press could vote the Tigers as its No. 1 team thanks to their previous 13-game body of work.

Courtesy of the Tide’s utter evisceration of said body work, that’s officially a moot, albeit non-unanimous, point.

In the final release of the AP poll, Alabama earned 55 of the 60 first-place votes.  Four of the other five went to No. 3 Oklahoma State, while No. 2 LSU received the lone remaining first-place nod.  The lone wolf among voters?  Erik Gee of KNML-AM in Albuquerque, who voted LSU No. 1 and Alabama No. 2.

The fact that Gee voted for LSU should not come as a surprise, however.

I will vote for LSU no matter what happens in the National Championship Game,” Gee wrote prior to the title game. “How in the world can they be the SEC West champ, the outright SEC champ, and lose to Alabama in a ‘neutral’ site game (I guess you can debate the Superdome being a neutral site) after they have already beaten them in Tuscaloosa, have the series split 1-1 and not at least have a share of the national title?”

Steve Conroy of the Boston Herald, Seth Emerson of the Macon Telegraph, Matt Markey of the Toledo Blade and Scott Wolf of the Los Angeles Daily News each had Oklahoma State No. 1 and Alabama No. 2.

Oregon finished No. 4 and Arkansas No. 5, giving the SEC, as in the coaches’ poll, three of the top-five teams in the country.  While they were ineligible for the coaches’ poll, that wasn’t the case in the AP poll as USC came in at No. 6, followed by Stanford (No. 7), Boise State (No. 8), South Carolina (No. 9) and Wisconsin (No. 10) to round out the Top 10.

West Virginia made the biggest move up from the previous poll released in early December, climbing from No. 23 to No. 17.  The team the Mountaineers took to the woodshed in the Orange Bowl, Clemson, took the biggest tumble, falling from No. 14 to No. 22.

As was the case in the coaches’ poll, Penn State (then-No. 24, was the only team to fall out of the rankings, replaced by Cincinnati (No. 25).

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71 Responses to “Associated Press crowns Tide, too”
  1. gopokes0714 says: Jan 10, 2012 3:13 AM

    First congrats to Alabama on winning the game that counted. apparently not all count.

    Second I have no issue or ill will against LSU or Bama. They are both great teams.

    ESPN is getting out of control. They pushed the rematch. Pushing on National TV “These are the best two teams, no question about it”. NO, there is actually some debate about that. Having Saban on for two hours the final weekend. OSU sat the week before and I didn’t see Gundy on. They influenced the voting.

    So now they acclaim Alabama’s defense. This game was two top defenses. They are not on the field at the same time! All Alabama really did is shutdown an average offense at best. best defense ever? So is Baylor the best offense of all time? Look at their bowl stats, who cares what defense they played.

    if Alabama can throw over them, OSU could light them up. Even Georgia started to before they choked.

    All I am saying is NOTHING is proven. EVERYTHING is debatable in the top 3.

    OSU played Stanford’s game plan and came out on top. Our weakness is run defense, We beat the best run first offense in the country, and they have the NFL top prospect at QB.

    LSU #2? that performance and they lose one spot? Sorry not drinking that cool-aid.

    This year broke the BCS, but the culprit goes unscathed. ESPN. There is way too much opinion pushed as fact. ESPN is a News agency. if they reported on current events they would be more skewed than Fox News. But I suspect its even worse than that. There is blatant corruption, how did Craig James have a job this year? He can use his job position to lie and get a head coach fired, then get exposed, but everything is good with ESPN. Plus his history with SMU? seriously ESPN is disgusting.

    I am not here to say OSU would beat them, or there should be a split title. Just that NOBODY can speak in absolutes. Everything is debatable

  2. gopokes0714 says: Jan 10, 2012 3:29 AM

    #1 plays #2 and gets shut out losing by 3 touchdowns. They drop one spot.

    #4 plays #3 and loses in overtime, never trailing in regulation. They drop three spots.


  3. bflobacker says: Jan 10, 2012 5:02 AM

    Weak. There is no #1 this year.

    2011 National Champions: Alabama*

    Single Season MLB home run king: Barry Bonds*

  4. LogicalConsideration says: Jan 10, 2012 5:27 AM

    @bflobacker—comparison fail. Barry Bonds is, at a minimum, universally suspected as having cheated through the use of PSDs (regardless of MLB’s rules, the use would have been ILLEGAL under federal law and, therefore, cheating). By contrast, Alabama obviously followed the rules as set up by the BCS agreement and earned their way to the title. Just as every team before them has.

  5. acieu says: Jan 10, 2012 6:26 AM

    Clemson in the top 25 is a joke. A team which couldn’t even provide scrimmage opposition for WVA is still ranked losing three of their last four games. Congrats to Alabama for winning in today’s flawed system but they still won.

  6. diablito0402 says: Jan 10, 2012 7:17 AM

    After watching last nights game IM asking myself WHAT was LSU doing in the championship game? They are the ones who didnt belong there, alabama is a worthy undesputed champion!!

  7. diablito0402 says: Jan 10, 2012 7:23 AM

    LSU fans deal with it, if bama would of beat lsu in the first game, we would of still had this game, either way, if is what it is. They are the two best teams, well at least thats what i thought up until last night!

  8. toasale says: Jan 10, 2012 7:24 AM

    It will not be done, but any of you who feel you can field a team and go up against BAMA at any time and not be run off the field, well you are a complete dumb ass.

    We do two things extremely well in Alabama. We play football and we are corruption supreme among our many State officials!

  9. florida727 says: Jan 10, 2012 7:27 AM

    This just in: West Virginia has scored again…

  10. dolphins4 says: Jan 10, 2012 7:36 AM

    The president of LSU should make Les Miles and the whole offensive coaching staff at LSU go take lessons off of Sean Peyton on how to play offense and score points.

  11. raiderredleg says: Jan 10, 2012 7:37 AM

    All the kudos to Nic Saban…Man knows how to work the BCS system (he is the best at it).

    Play a WEAK non-conference schedule (throw in a FBS opponent to boot) and let the BCS computers do the work.

    Until Mr. Hancock (with his ridiculous “We must keep the integrity of the regular season” crap) and his vaunted BCS system either does a plus-one OR starts weighing non-conference schedules less (Georgia Southern at the tail end of the season…Are you kidding me?) I am afraid we will continually be subjected to this crap.

    Any yes I am a OSU fan and NO maybe OSU wouldn’t have been able to beat LSU or ‘Bama, but they at least deserved a shot.

    I didn’t know if OSU could be Stanford’s vaunted running offense with the future #1 NFL Draft pick at QB, but at least they had the chance to prove it on the field.

    I think that is the only thing OSU’s “whinning” fans (which many ‘Bama posters keeping referring to us as) truly wanted.

  12. tide4life says: Jan 10, 2012 7:43 AM

    LSU played hard and never quit; they are still one of the two best teams in the country. Better luck next season to OSU and USC and Stanford all the others who continue to feel disrespected.

  13. cowboycjn says: Jan 10, 2012 7:57 AM

    Ok – bama won and the games is over, however for LSU fans WTF was miles doing keeping jefferson in the game when he couldn’t do anything right? You had a perfectly good QB (Lee) sitting on the bench- heres the QB that led you the first 1/2 of the season (8 game wins) and got LSU to the #1 ranking while jefferson was a jailbird. If jefferson was not doing his job, take him out and replace him with Lee -not to hard to figure out or was it because miles didn’t want to embarass himself and show he made the wrong decesion in the first place playing jefferson????? Not smart at all.

  14. phillyb6 says: Jan 10, 2012 8:05 AM

    I have no vendetta against, nor am I a fan of either team, but if the 2011 season taught us ONE thing that is an absolute fact, it was that Clemson is better than Virginia Tech, yet the writers vote VT ahead of the Tigers. At least they made the tough call of ranking WVU ahead of Clemson…

  15. toasale says: Jan 10, 2012 8:05 AM

    To Haters:

    Your team should have been in playing LSU? Don’t be an igmo. You would have been willing to watch your boys play against men??? The SEC is all about Men playing football. Well, take Vandy, both teams from Miss and a few others out.

  16. eagle100x says: Jan 10, 2012 8:15 AM

    Give Alabama 2 tries and they can beat anyone

  17. phillyb6 says: Jan 10, 2012 8:34 AM

    toasale, your posts are getting worse.

  18. dryzzt23 says: Jan 10, 2012 8:49 AM

    ESPN says the BCS put together the 2 best teams and the rematch should not be an issue no matter what

    Ok fine, I totally disagree, however if ESPN holds to that argument, then ESPN itself, SEC whiners, and Auburn fans, should NEVER again argue that they should have had a shot at the 2004 BCS title

    ESPN and their best buddy aka the SEC, got it totally wrong for the following reasons:

    1. Bama did not win their own division
    2. Bama did not win their own conference
    3. Bama beat Kent State – creampuff game
    4. Bama beat Vandy – another creampuff game
    5. Bama beat Ole Miss – SEC creampuff
    6. Bama beat tennessee – another SEC also-ran easy win
    7. Bama beat Miss St – 3rd SEC creampuff game
    8. Bama beat OMG, an FCS powerhouse (lmao) Georgia Southern
    9. Bama beat Auburn – a 4th SEC has been

    Bama played NOBODY, when they had their shot at LSU they BLEW it! Why does every SEC school get second and third chances?
    How can a team that did not win their division, or their conference, be the Nat’l Champs?
    If Ohio State did this, the SEC and ESPN would be up in arms.
    IMO Oklahoma State is the true Nat’l Champs

  19. ufullpj says: Jan 10, 2012 8:51 AM

    Lots of debate here, some measured, objective, and rational; others, well, not so much.

    A couple of thoughts on the process, not the game itself.

    First, much like OU-Texas each year, or USC-Oregon, or the SEC yearly regular season, scheduled game between two highly ranked, quality teams (like Bama-LSU, or in the past, LSU-Florida, etc.) one team earns the right through the regular season game to play for a conference championship and put themselves in position to play for a BCS championship.

    This year, Alabama didn’t get it done. There is no debate there, even amongst the most die-hard, passionate Alabama fans. They lost, at home, during the regular season, to LSU. Was Bama the better team? I think so. Did they get it done? No.

    So, you have a team widely considered to be one of the best in the country who didn’t get it done on the field (see: 2011 Philadelphia Eagles as well) – and didn’t even win their division, much less their conference – and they are given a spot in the championship game. They did nothing to earn a shot – played a weak non-conference schedule; played in a very, very top-heavy conference; didn’t win their division or conference – and still ended up there.

    Meanwhile, LSU played a much tougher non-conference schedule, won their regular season match-up with Alabama on the road, had to play an additional game to make it to the BCS championship (SEC Championship game), but definitely earned their right to play for BCS National Championship game.

    Additionally, Oklahoma State – more so than Oregon, more so than Wisconsin, West Virginia, etc. – earned the chance to face LSU. They won their division, won their conference, and played a much, much, much tougher schedule than Alabama.

    So why did this happen? For those that think ESPN didn’t have a lot to do with this, you’re really naive. ESPN paid Billions for the rights to televise the BCS, and the last thing they want is a what they’d consider to be a “sub-prime” match-up involving a school like Oklahoma State, because of fears that the perception of the match-up will lower the number of viewers, which will affect both the price and inventory of ad time. ESPN’s talking heads, bloggers, columnists, etc. all advocated and hyped – as if they were following the same mantra & doctrine – for LSU / Alabama, even though everyone knew that Bama didn’t earn the right play in the game.

    Athletics should help build character and integrity, but sadly, it simply reinforces the familiar refrain that greed and power corrupt the most idealistic endeavors. Follow money, and it will reveal two things: ESPN has a massive, and not always positive, influence on college athletics, and the NCAA is one of the most hypocritical governing bodies in the world, and that is really saying something.

    Congrats to Alabama, who definitely made the most of the opportunity they were given; and congrats to LSU for earning the right to be there.

  20. bangitfootball says: Jan 10, 2012 8:53 AM

    LSU should be 3rd. They were bitch slapped all over the field last night. Their offense was a joke. And Miles should be ashamed of himself for not putting Lee in after the stink bomb Jefferson played for the entire game. Was he making a point with the national championship on the line. The kid stood on the sidelines with his helmet on waiting to go in the entire game. He was the only one on LSU that showed any heart. West Virginia should be moved up higher maybe to 10 or 11.

  21. doubleogator says: Jan 10, 2012 9:02 AM

    In response to diabitoo….LSU didn’t belong in the championship game? You’re an idiot. They were 13-0 and beat, not only beat destroyed Oregon, Arkansas, Georgia, West Virginia, and beat Alabama in Alabama. If they didn’t belong then nobody did. With all that being said, Alabama deserves to be the national champs after the dominating win last night, but saying LSU didn’t belong is so ridiculous, it’s laughable…

  22. dryzzt23 says: Jan 10, 2012 9:08 AM

    I refused to watch the BCS title game solely b/c it was a rematch of SEC teams, which is ridiculous b/c in ’07 it would have been Ohio State v Michigan but it was the SEC idiots and ESPN who were vehemently against it and somehow they doctored it so that Florida went to the BCS game vs Ohio State.

    It makes me sick that the NCAA and ESPN will do whatever the SEC wants them to do, and if the Big Ten or any other conference is in the same situation, ESPN and the NCAA will rail against it.

    For example, LSU had 139 players under scholarship last season, well exceeding the 85 allowed. Bama was at 136. All b/c the SEC is all about oversigning, then giving players medical scholarships, greyshirts, etc. But since they are SEC they can do whatever they want regardless of the rules.

  23. ndrocks2 says: Jan 10, 2012 9:22 AM

    Congrats to Alabama on winning the SEC title. LSU did know about this game for 40+ days correct? As good as LSU made Alabama defense look it absolutely defines why we need a playoff, NO WAY Oklahoma St, Oregon, Stanford get shut out in this game. The only two teams in the top ten that may have are the two remaining SEC Arkansas and South Carolina. Point is they play tough run defense all year in the SEC against each other while the rest of College Football is playing different brands of ball. Case could be made that this conference is over rated due to the perceived strong defense against obviously run oriented offenses. Not the case? Than why did they marvel all night that Alabama was passing the ball and even at that they got one late game touchdown? How does SEC QB’s translate to the NFL? They have spent all year running a special offense in Denver to allow Tebow to be half way effective and everyone knows how this will eventually end. Again, congratulations to Alabama for making it obvious to everyone why we need a playoff in football.

  24. bflobacker says: Jan 10, 2012 9:26 AM

    @ LogicalConsideration – it’s not a cheating comparison dumb-dumb. The comparison being made is that the history books will tell you one thing while in many fan’s eyes there are to many doubts to crown either as champion.

  25. dryzzt23 says: Jan 10, 2012 9:32 AM

    As I said before, the ’04 Auburn Tigers can no longer claim to have deserved a Nat’l title shot since they were NOT one of the 2 “best” teams in the country that year.

    If 2 SEC teams can play for the “Nat’l title”, and Oklahoma State is left out and the SEC/ESPN/BCS/NCAA argument for the rematch is that Oklahoma State was not voted as one of the top 2 teams, AND SEC fans scream for Ok Sta and their fans to STFU, then Auburn/SEC fans had better STFU about Auburn’s ’04 team

  26. jason1214 says: Jan 10, 2012 10:02 AM


    Im a Bama fan and im ALL for a playoff. Lost in much of this debate is the fact LSU getting shut out probably HELPS push BCS to change. If the Big 10 commish stops crying about it that is.

  27. vie05ua says: Jan 10, 2012 10:07 AM

    To those griping about how focused on defense most SEC teams are: you can win a game with defense alone; if you have the top offense, and the worst defense, chances are you’re not going anywhere. Who cares if you score 40 points, but lose to someone who scored 50+ that’s a worse team? Re: OK St and Iowa St…

    Football is not all about offense.

    @ dryzzt23
    Alabama’s “creampuff” schedule? What about Ok ST? Four ranked teams, a weak defense, and a loss to an UNRANKED Iowa St? Alabama played 5 (penn st, arkansas, florida, lsu and auburn) and only BARELY lost to the #1 team in overtime?

    And, you don’t even know the conferences… Five of those teams are teams alabama has to play. Would I rather be able to have them play more AQ non-conference games? Sure, but it’s not feasible. Auburn was the 5th, not 4th, SEC game in your list, or did you not know Vandy was in the SEC?

    And most Auburn folks don’t even care about that year anymore. You even talk to any of the die hards, they can tell you the year, but couldn’t even tell you what happened.

  28. vie05ua says: Jan 10, 2012 10:13 AM

    Now, before anyone gets me wrong, I’m a huge bama fan (obviously), and one that actually graduated from the school, but I’m all for a playoff system, and this only proves it.

    Keep the BCS “standings” as an automatic qualifer and get rid of the Big 6 AQ automatic invites. Top 25 get automatic invites to the play offs, with the voters, coaches and fans voting for a final 7 slots. You have roughly the same amount of “bowls”, a true national championship, and probably generate a lot more revenue.

  29. thefiesty1 says: Jan 10, 2012 10:27 AM

    So, no one finished undefeated. Everyone lost at least one game resulting in no national champion. The one loss teams are all very good. Leave it at that.

  30. linedrivehit says: Jan 10, 2012 10:37 AM

    …the rest of College Football is playing different brands of ball. Case could be made that this conference is over rated …

    Yeah, that’s why the SEC keeps winning those national championships – because that “other” brand of football you speak so highly of is INFERIOR.

  31. linedrivehit says: Jan 10, 2012 10:39 AM

    Until you offensive whiners start to understand the importance of defense, your favorite team will continue to score 40, 50, 60 points a game until they meet an SEC team in the NC game and LOSE AGAIN.

  32. sweetsweetdrew says: Jan 10, 2012 10:41 AM

    “OSU is is the true Nat’l Champs”? hmmm. how is team that lost to an unranked team from iowa gonna even get close to that distinction? i’m a big 12 guy, but the national championship was played last night, and bama won it….

  33. dawgs105 says: Jan 10, 2012 10:44 AM

    SEC quarterbacks don’t translate to the NFL? What about Stafford?

    And to all the haters out there saying Bama didn’t deserve to play because they didn’t win their conference, what about 03? Oklahoma lost their conference and still got to play in the NCG.

    I’m a UGA fan and I think Bama earned it.

  34. sssjim7 says: Jan 10, 2012 11:04 AM


    Don’t be saying South Carolina would have been shut out by Alabama… I was at the game (about 14 months ago) and USC beat the crap out of Alabama… mostly the same boys on both teams…

    Do a little research before you open your pie hole…

    Just my .02

  35. LogicalConsideration says: Jan 10, 2012 11:04 AM

    @dryzzt23 okay, on your Bonds comparison, fine, but next time maybe you should add a little more detail to clarify exactly how you are using the comparison. and, given your clarification, probably a more apt comparison would be the asterisk that some used to say should go by Roger Maris’s home run record on the grounds that he played more games that season that Babe Ruth had.

    As for your paranoid conspiracy theory about ESPN and the BCS—really? You (and others? want to go there?

    First, its absurd on its face. In order for it to work, 174 voters (sum of coaches’ poll and Harris Interactive) + the programmers of 6 computer polls have to be “in on it”, or at least a majority of them. You simply can’t keep a secret with that many people involved (not counting those from ESPN and the conference presidents and the BCS staffers who would have to be in on it).
    Second, you overlook outcomes entirely. Florida, who you think the conspiracy illegitimately placed in the title game against Ohio State, absolutely DESTROYED Ohio State, 41-14. Yet, you still want (5 years later) to argue they didn’t deserve to even be in the game? LMFAO.
    Third, the only people in the SEC who give a rat’s rear end about the Auburn 2004 team are a tiny, tiny minority of……Auburn fans. Duh. So your comparison falls apart.
    Again, broken record as it may be, I’m going to continue repeating it—the rest of you college football fans need to quit giving your teams’ coaches a pass because they “entertain you” with their offenses and start bringing the heat on THEM for not figuring out how to play defense like the big boys of the SEC.

  36. clonefan says: Jan 10, 2012 11:11 AM

    vieo5ua> If I look at the rankings Bama only played 2 ranked teams – LSU and Arkansas… I don’t see those others in the rankings any where… Yeah they may have been ranked at one time or another, but some of those supposed ranked teams were pretty poor…. Don’t forget by your standard Oklahoma State also beat the #1 team in the country… Oklahoma was preseason #1 (truth came out though…. ). I believe you took OSU’s ranked teams from the end of season rankings….

    Since I am an ISU fan. I will never put them in the top 25 this year, but they aren’t the sisters of the poor either. Unfortunately they are an up and down team playing in a very tough conference and they were the perfect storm on the day that OSU came to town. ISU is better than people give credit, they played one of the toughest schedules in the country. They had some great games (OSU) and some poor games (Missouri, Texas, Rutgers). But we are working on it…

    On LSU and their final rank. How do they maintain #2 if Stanford drops as far as they do? One of those is wrong. Especially when I had to watch an inferior QB attempt to run an option that he either had no clue how to run or his coaches never taught him how to run it. He is supposed to make sure that the first defender commits to him before he pitches the ball. That never happened once. LSU’s offense may have been playing an incredible defense, but the offense was horrible. No imagination. LSU special teams were lousy and their punter disappeared….

    Before Bama fans think I give them no credit…. You should have won the first meeting, but couldn’t put it away. Luckily you managed get a rematch and you didn’t waste it. Your defense was impressive. I was also very impressed with your QB. Som of his passes were incredible. Especially the ones over Honey Badger. Your Not only “managed” the game he took control of it at times when he needed to. And fortunately your kicker was up to the task last night.

    Was my critique of LSU brutal? Yes, but LSU fans, Bama fans and SEC fans in general have been brutal on the rest of college football. I think it is only fair at this point to call them out. I was totally disappionted in LSU’s output last night. I can’t believe you can call that a #2 team worthy performance…

    Sorry, just my 2 cents…

    It was a great year of college football and I expected more from LSU in the end. I am an offensively mind guy, but in a defensively oriented game Bama certainly didn’t disappoint.

  37. dolphincritic says: Jan 10, 2012 11:14 AM

    I love college football and enjoyed the game last night. The contact was better than you will see in the pro’s games on Sunday! Congratulations to Alabama for winning the game!

    Having said that, let me POO-POO the entire fake national championship thing. There is no NCAA national champion! Oklahoma State can have the Boomer-Sooner Gazette crown them as “National Champs” and it will have the same weight. The BCS is a post season private enterprise, a limited corporation! They have won their antitrust lawsuits for just this reason.

    We need an NCAA tournament for the big college football conferences just like their is for every other division and subdivision of college football. The current bowl system actually forces the participating teams to buy up the tickets at the retail rate. The profit is huge and the bowl committee staff profits from these ticket sales to the extent that they lobby coaches and university executives with trips, parties and such.

    There are many examples of taxpayers money being used to bail out schools who lost money going to a bowl. There is no excuse for that. The Wall Street Journal recently published an article that showed what percentage of the major college football university’s gross income was derived from sports. LSU and Alabama were at the top. What school is going to buck the system?

    The reality is that replacing the bowl system with an NCAA tournament would raise much more money for the universities. How much would an Alabama vs. Oklahoma State game be worth right now? A TWENTY GAME TOURNAMENT would have taken up the month of December. It would have given Conference Championships real meaning. Alabama didn’t win their conference, you know!

    If you take the thirteen or so conferences and devote the first week of the tournament to the best of the top twenty who didn’t win their conference, like Alabama or Boise, you fill the field with teams that have won in the post season. We quit talking about who’s #1 and voting along some corrupt system that is at best biased.

    Oh, we can let the bowls bid on payouts to the NCAA for the right to host a game. (abandon the mandatory ticket sales concept). The highest payout gets the Championship game and we work our way back from there.

    End the hypocrisy and end the squandering of tax money! GIVE US a December of meaningful NCAA football.

  38. burntorangehorn says: Jan 10, 2012 11:20 AM

    LSU and OSU are the only teams that should be in the discussion for a national championship. Alabama should have been considered eliminated. Voters basically just cheapened the significance of the regular season, which was one of the best things about college football up to this point.

  39. vie05ua says: Jan 10, 2012 11:21 AM

    Actually @clonefan, I took the rankings of alabama’s opponents the same as I took Ok ST; the rank at which they were played, which is what determines schedule strength, which is also why rankings of teams towards the end of the season are weighed heavier than the start.

  40. clonefan says: Jan 10, 2012 11:28 AM

    dolphincritic> in principle I agree with you… But I must admit that I love watching the little bowl game that mean nothing… There were some great games there this year.

    Also in any play off system I have always asked how does it affect the current cities that host bowl games. Lets take the Insight bowl in the Phoenix area as an example. This year it was between unranked Iowa and a low ranked Oklahoma. Two teams that the fans follow very well. The Phoenix area has to love that cash coming into the area. People will spend anywhere from a few days to a week there spending $$.

    If you go to a playoff I contend that the money flow into the cities will disappear and that is part of the problem. Now that obviously is just my opinion and I don’t have anything to support that but the nicer areas do seems to draw nice crowds for the teams that have good followings.

    While the playoffs certainly answer some questions and bring in TV $, does it cut out some of the fan $ that currently flow into these areas?

    Just random thoughts from a cluttered mind…

  41. jason1214 says: Jan 10, 2012 11:30 AM


    I respect your opinion, but what about Oklahoma getting nod in 03′ over your Longhorns who beat them? Bring on a playoff and like it or not Bama is the champ.

  42. clonefan says: Jan 10, 2012 11:40 AM

    vieo5ua > OK, fair enough, but… when is the right time to look at those rankings in reality? I don’t really care that much, because I do believe that BAMA is #1. BUT Florida is NOT a great team, they were ranked based on reputation and slid as the year went. Penn State… I don’t know how they held on to their ranking so long… So while I will never argue that Okie State is better than Bama without a game and I’d pick Bama… I would look more at where the teams finish unless there is just an incredible injury or some other issue.. But hey your team won and you shoul be very proud…. They did earn it!!!

  43. LogicalConsideration says: Jan 10, 2012 11:45 AM

    burntorangehorn is still mad, after 733 days, that Bama broke their quarterback.

  44. toasale says: Jan 10, 2012 12:02 PM


    You cannot stand the heat, go back to your knitting. Truth was on the field, LSU was pummeled, slapped around, run over and through and we did not even have a mad-on. Got any team besides some of the pro teams you would desire to play BAMA?

  45. starderup says: Jan 10, 2012 12:17 PM

    The short answer to Gee’s long question is: The BCS has zero credibility or meaning.

  46. Tom Paine says: Jan 10, 2012 12:22 PM

    As a New Orleanian, I am not writing this to grouse about Bama winning, they deserve the trophy, but only to quibble about the “neutral site” comment (insinuating that LSU had an advantage due playing in the Superdome). If you looked in the stands, there was much more red and white than purple and yellow. LSU didn’t have any “homefield advantage” last night. But it was better being that way for New Orleans as a city though. Bama fans spend help stimulate the local economy down here more than the locals do who head home instead of staying downtown celebrating.

  47. vie05ua says: Jan 10, 2012 12:40 PM

    @clonefan, I see what you’re saying, but there is no good way to really determine SoS… the most common methods of determining schedule strength put all the big12 teams with the strongest schedule. I’m sorry but I don’t see that, especially when the Big12 has 4 ranked teams in the top 25, with only 1 in even the top 10 vs other conferences multiples in the top 10 with a lower SoS.

    Schedule Strength(SoS) is irrelevent of the game won/loss, but against the “power” of the opponent, which is in all honesty, an arbitrary value assigned by someone’s opinion in the long run.

  48. seansmith7 says: Jan 10, 2012 12:40 PM

    In a nutshell… The system is the system. Does it need to change? Yes.

    Was LSU ranked #1 at the end of the season? Yes

    Was Alabama ranked #2 at the end of the season? Yes

    Was the BCS NC Game #1 versus #2? Yes

    Is the current system’s goal to have #1 play #2? Yes

    Talk about changing the system.

    Discuss how we move forward from this point.

    But PLEASE, stop whining and complaining from a biased view. I’m sick of it and you sound ridiculous.

  49. ncrdbl1 says: Jan 10, 2012 12:44 PM

    The writers needs to get two things straight. First this was NOT a neutral site. The Super Dome is only a short hop skip and a jump from the LSU campus. Second this is the second time that Bama dominated LSU. Only difference this time is that the Bama kicker did not miss four FGs. Reality is that LSU was lucky to even be ion this game and if the Bama kicker had not of choked so many times in the first game they would not. Okla St may have a partial claim to the AP title, but LSU has no claim what so ever.

  50. dannygjay says: Jan 10, 2012 1:01 PM

    Oky st, face it you blew it when you lost to iowa st. Houston would have destoyed you. Zero chance of besting Arkansas let alone bama or lsu.

  51. tigger959 says: Jan 10, 2012 1:13 PM

    To all you whining OSU fans. Alabama, LSU nor Arkansas lost to a team with a 7-7 record. The only teams they lost to were each other. NO ONE ELSE could beat them this year.

  52. tide4life says: Jan 10, 2012 1:19 PM

    “Alabama, LSU nor Arkansas lost to a team with a 7-7 record. The only teams they lost to were each other. NO ONE ELSE could beat them this year.”

    And there it is, folks.

  53. reauxlltide says: Jan 10, 2012 1:38 PM

    Soooooiiiiieeee Pig, Sooooiiieeee…..

    Fact is Arkansas should have been paired up with with the Cryboys to close out the season.

    The pigs would have killed this juvenile debate altogether.

    The SEC West, with the Top 3 Teams in the USA.

    Leave No Doubt.

  54. Deb says: Jan 10, 2012 1:56 PM

    The gracious LSU fans are here, but where are the viciously outspoken Tigers fans who’ve been such fixtures the last few months? No congrats for the winning team? CFT’s Alabama fans were here congratulating them on their November victory. Apparently they only step up when they’re winning and have a lot of offline friends signing on to thumbs-up their nastiest comments. Oh well … LSU and the SEC deserved better representation than that bunch anyway.

  55. Deb says: Jan 10, 2012 2:01 PM

    The comments from the Oklahoma State fans are wonderfully entertaining–and it’s especially gratifying to have them seasoned with a little leftover Texas bitterness courtesy of burntorangehorn. But we Tide fans have the satisfaction of winning decisively and knowing the SEC commissioner campaigned for the plus-1 game that would have settled all this but the other kids wouldn’t play. Now Alabama has turned in the most dominating defensive performance in BCS history, capturing the BCS, Coaches, and AP titles. And nothing a bunch of sore-headed blog commenters post will change the spors reality of 21-0 or 14 championships.

    ROLL TIDE!!!

  56. awk409ak says: Jan 10, 2012 3:05 PM

    OK, I’ll be short. Game was an embarrassment to both teams, the BCS, College Football, ESPN, everyone. One of the worst showing in some time. I will admit I did not see either team play all year, but to tune in to see what is built up as the TWO BEST college football team in the country. This game was a JOKE! With the showing by both team, neither team should ranked higher than 10th

  57. sprizzle2182 says: Jan 10, 2012 3:32 PM

    i want everyone to take a gooooood long look at the the records of Okie St and BAMA…same record, now who were the losses too…BAMA lost to LSU who was #1 at the time, Okie St lost to Iowa State who finished the season with a 6-7 record….u really think that justifies them being ahead of BAMA?? no freaking way…we can even take it a step farther and say who had the most dominating win in their bowl game?? BAMA, who won by a greater margin? BAMA, who won their bowl game IN REGULATION!!! BAMA!!!…we BOTH lost our 1 game in OT by a field goal, but the difference is National Championship Caliber teams DONT lose to 6-7 teams…period…

  58. sprizzle2182 says: Jan 10, 2012 3:34 PM

    @awk409ak: u must be a fan of a team who has ZERO defense if u don’t think that showing by BAMA wasn’t the most dominating game of football all year…if u think we should be embarassed of that then ur delusional…

  59. sprizzle2182 says: Jan 10, 2012 3:36 PM

    @gopokes: since when did stanford become the best “run first” offense in the country??? in case u missed it their qb was up for the heisman and BAMA’s running back was….

  60. tide4life says: Jan 10, 2012 3:38 PM

    “IMO Oklahoma State is the true Nat’l Champs”
    Well, okay, then. When you are king you can amend that little detail into the history books.

  61. vie05ua says: Jan 10, 2012 3:54 PM

    @awk409ak —
    Are you serious? Are you entertained by offense only? I’ll give credit where credit is due, LSU’s defense put up one hell of a fight and NEVER quit, earning them the #2 defense in the nation before and after that game.

    Alabama had the #1 defense across the board going into the game and only cemented that fact with the shutout against LSU.

    How boring are games that end up with scores like basketball scores? Go back to when football was pure, the ironman days. If you got over 20 points, it was considered a decimation in points. Saban and Miles (to a lesser degree) and a few other select coaches emphasize this, and realize just how important a top defense is.

    I’ve said in an earlier post, you can win a game with defense alone as long as you don’t turn over the ball on offense. Defense can score points too, as well as give your offense a huge cushion on field position where they don’t have to work as hard.

    If your defense sucks, your offense has to work harder than the defense to cover since it’s having to cover both sides of the ball. As long as defense covers their side of the ball, offense can play a slow, methodical and consistent game, as seen by alabama ALL SEASON long.

  62. awk409ak says: Jan 10, 2012 6:17 PM

    Yes, I’m serious! I think you give both teams too much credit. OK, I’ll give Bama credit, they did win and they had to play a little to win. But LSU offensive problems were not because of Bama superior defense. Their QB was, I don’t know! Could not run the option, fumbled snap, throws a terrible shuttle pass that was pick off (right in the defender hands) to name a few. These were not because of the Bama great defense. These are not thing that a championship caliber team does.

    As for Bama, they played better than LSU and they won. Was it the caliber of game that everyone expected????? Not me! I’m just a college football fan that tuned in to see the Best, and was disappointed.

    That is all! Next year have to be better.

  63. tideman1 says: Jan 10, 2012 6:39 PM

    awk409ak says:
    Jan 10, 2012 3:05 PM
    OK, I’ll be short. Game was an embarrassment to both teams, the BCS, College Football, ESPN, everyone. One of the worst showing in some time. I will admit I did not see either team play all year, but to tune in to see what is built up as the TWO BEST college football team in the country. This game was a JOKE! With the showing by both team, neither team should ranked higher than 10th

    I’m sorry bit are you a football fan? Or are you that stupid? It was a great game

  64. seansmith7 says: Jan 10, 2012 6:47 PM

    I’d love to take a poll and see what percentage of commenters actually played the game at ANY level. I honestly can’t imagine some of these comments coming from folks who have played… There are two sides of the ball… Offense and Defense… Not to mention Special Teams. If you have played, then you understand what happened last night and regardless of who you pull for on a weekly basis, you have no choice but to truly admire and appreciate what Alabama was able to do in every phase of the game. I tip my hat to all involved…

  65. markmckeeexp says: Jan 10, 2012 8:17 PM

    I predict that I won’t be following college football for the third straight year! You see, when a sport gets stupid, you don’t have to watch it! You can do all sorts of other things while you wait for it to become un-stupid again. If it doesn’t happen, such as with Major League Baseball, which I gave up on 10 years ago, then you can still lead a reasonably productive life! It’s like your phone. You did know that you don’t have to answer your phone all the time, right? You pay the phone bill, it’s your phone. You did know that, right? Call when there is a playoff, and call if MLB ever gets an actual commissioner. Somehow I’ll survive without them.

  66. toasale says: Jan 10, 2012 10:19 PM


    U b a sicko. Then what the hell you doing on here? 3 straight years? You watched parts/all of it last night. Don’t try and bs us BSers!

  67. razorred63 says: Jan 11, 2012 3:13 AM

    Sweet, maybe if ‘Bama wins a few more championships they”ll have enough BCS $ to manufacture tornado-proof trailer parks.



  68. vie05ua says: Jan 11, 2012 7:40 AM

    And I don’t think you give either team credit. Sorry, but for LSU to put up 40+ points each game save 3 (pre-bcs bowl), I’d have to say alabama’s complete shutout, jefferson on or not, was a statement of Alabama’s #1 defense, which has been the #1 defense all season long.

    It was ONLY a disappointment to you because you didn’t see basketball scores. Offense alone does NOT win a football game. A strong, top defense lets the offense play slow and methodical to avoid mistakes and control the clock.

    Actually, if you knew anything about alabama (the state, not school) you’d know the trailer parks are in auburn (not a knock on auburn, its the truth!) and nearly all housing in tuscaloosa is apartments, condos and pre-1950 houses.

  69. ziggyinbama says: Jan 11, 2012 9:31 AM

    One thing to say: a team can’t lose to Iowa State and play for the Nat’l Championship… regardless of that team’s record (or Iowa State’s record, for that matter).

  70. parkcityute says: Jan 11, 2012 2:06 PM

    Alabama wiped out LSU. They are the game champions and national champions and rightfully so. LSU may deserve to be #2, I don’t know for sure. Based on the rankings, strengths of schedule, records against ranked opponents when played, and other criteria, I would rank, Alabama, LSU, Arkansas, Oregon, Oklahoma State in that order.

  71. tide4life says: Jan 11, 2012 8:33 PM

    There are apparently some kiddies in here who are having trouble telling the difference between Xbox and real football. You middle-schoolers think a one-sided blowout is what makes for great football? You need to stick to Madden and quit confusing yourselves with NCAA foo’ball.

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