If you recall from back in early January, the mother of five-star recruit Landon Collins was not pleased with her son’s televised announcement during the Under Armour All-America Game that he would be attending Alabama over her choice of schools.
“I feel LSU is the better place for him to be,” a visibly perturbed April Justin, Collins’ mother, said Jan. 5 during the broadcast. “LSU Tigers No. 1. Go Tigers.”
Aside from the fact that the family is from around New Orleans and she wanted the top-rated player in the state of Louisiana to stay closer to home, there was, as it turns out, another reason for the mom’s distaste toward her son’s selection of the Tide.
In an interview with ESPN the Magazine, Justin explained that an in-home visit conducted by Tide head coach Nick Saban last June was something she couldn’t shake. Specifically, Justin was put off by the coach going with his “I can get your son into the NFL” pitch:
Landon included his mom when it came time to finalize his decision. That’s how, with Collins leaning toward Alabama this fall, Saban came to visit Justin. She says the coach offended her during his stay by promising that her son would be a high NFL draft pick and receive a multimillion-dollar contract. “I think he stereotyped me,” Justin says. In her mind, Saban had told her what he thought she wanted to hear, when her real concerns were about academics and how a program would take care of her son.
Saban’s visit left a permanent mark in her mind. After Collins arrived in Orlando for the week of practices before the Under Armour Game, he called his mom to make it clear that he would likely choose Alabama and that he had reached this decision on his own. Justin responded with a text that said she couldn’t support his choice and wasn’t going to come to the game. Collins texted back about how he loved her and that she wasn’t that kind of mom — that’s why he knew she would come. She arrived the afternoon of the game.
It should be noted that, of the 12 schools which make up the SEC, Alabama’s 69 percent was the fourth-highest Graduation Success Rate according to the latest NCAA findings. LSU, incidentally, was No. 2 (77%), well behind Vanderbilt (86%) and just ahead of Florida (76%) in the conference.
If you read the entire piece, however, it appears that Justin’s dislike of her son’s decision has less to do with Saban “stereotyping” her during an in-home visit and more to do with a mother coming to grips with her “baby” leaving home. Or, as Collins put it, “mom issues”.
Despite his mom’s well-known reservations, Collins hasn’t been swayed. The Tide has been his choice since the fall of 2010 — “I just felt the love when I got there. I stepped on the field and it just felt … big” — and, come signing day next Wednesday, Collins still intends to put his Herbie Hancock on a National Letter of Intent and head to Tuscaloosa to begin carving out his own football future.
And, despite those very public reservations, we’re guessing mom will be along for the journey every step of the way.
Unlike with parents of most college athletes, I think the next few years will be very telling, one way or the other, about the character of Collin’s mother.
There can be no doubt that whether you play football at a top-notch academic school, a mid-pack academic school or a lower quality academic school, it is in fact hard work to meet both your football and academic responsibilities. This is probably true even at schools that have majors known for being “easy” for athletes.
Regardless of what Saban said or meant and regardless of what Ms. Justin heard or thought she heard, she has staked herself out. More than most parents, there is now some onus on her to ride herd on her son and make sure he takes advantage of all the academic support that all colleges provide to their athletes.
It’s called a John Hancock not a herbie hancock. get a life
LogicalConsideration, I think it is “logical” to understand that Collin’s Mama will have a much harder time “riding herd” on her son in Tuscaloosa than she would have in Baton Rouge…What do you think now, logically, with that tidbit in mind?
well it SHOULD be called a Herbie Hancock. get a personality.
I find this whole thing amusing. I don’t think LSU is a better or worse school than Alabama. Both offer a chance at education that Collins can take advantage of (or not).
What I think is strange is her resistance to Saban’s plan to help her son become a future millionaire in the NFL. IMHO, going to school and preparing to be a future top 10 draft pick are not mutually exclusive. Having a mentor who has successfully placed many players in the NFL is way valuable, especially given how tough times are economically – even for those with degrees from college.
“It’s called a John Hancock not a herbie hancock. get a life”
Is it? My bad. No wonder I failed European History in high school…
I thought College was meant to prepare young men (and women) for life in the big world, This (5 star) kid isn’t going to college for the education, he wants his future in the NFL. So it is Nick Saban’s job, as a top 5 pro-football factory, to get that kid ready for the profession this kid is shooting for, the NFL. I expect Coach Saban to push kids to the NFL, but I also expect him to help his young men achieve some scholastic back-up plan. So sorry mom, but If academics is really what you’re worried about, you would have your son apply to a Stanford, North Western, Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan State, Minnesota, Boston college, UCLA and on and on.
If you were really worried about your son’s educational future, you wouldn’t have had him educated in any of the three consecutive states along the gulf, period.
These kids do need some sort of education…especially in business and personal finance. How many former nfl players do you hear about going bankrupt? Lots more than there should be.
Great Tommy Boy ref JT!!!!!!!
I think this is a mom that knows most don’t make it to nfl and most don’t last long and she didn’t like how a major influence in her son’s future was pushing the risky get rich quick scheme over the main reason he is going to college. That’s just the impression that I get.
I think you have to try to understand where his mom is coming from. She probably felt that when Saban came in, he saw a black single mom and automatically thought that the NFL and a big payday would be the thing that would be most important to her in respect to her son’s recruitment. If Saban had gone into a home of a white player with both parents in the home she probably thinks that his pitch would have been different, more focused on academics and taking care of their son, because that’s what he would percieve they would want to hear. This next sentance is very important. I AM NOT SAYING that this in fact what Saban did or that this was his thought process, just what Landon’s mom may have preceived him to do.
This is the best article I have ever read on this website. It was complete with all the details and viewpoints. Including each schools graduation rate was perfect. I appreciate this type of journalism instead of the other one side crap I have read at profootballtalk. Keep up the good work, you are headed for the big time.
Newsflash…………whether she was “stereotyped” or not, Saban probably can coach her son up into a “1st round NFL draft pick”…………….I bet she’ll be disappointed her son choose a possible pro career(and the MILLIONS of $$) over a degree in basket weaving.
I could see that being possible (buckeye4278), but I doubt Coach Saban would trivialize his own battle plan to such a degree on any 5 star recruit. Not to mention, that is pretty damn ignorant, I just have a hard time imagining Nick Saban, the genius recruiter, walking into a single mom’s home, spitting that B.S. and not expecting her to clue in on what he is doing. That would be absolutely crazy, something I would expect, more, out of Coach Miles(not that he did/would) than Coach Saban.
John Taylor says:
Jan 27, 2012 11:09 AM
“It’s called a John Hancock not a herbie hancock. get a life”
Is it? My bad. No wonder I failed European History in high school…
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Burn….
jason1214 says:
Jan 27, 2012 11:57 AM
Newsflash…………whether she was “stereotyped” or not, Saban probably can coach her son up into a “1st round NFL draft pick”…………….I bet she’ll be disappointed her son choose a possible pro career(and the MILLIONS of $$) over a degree in basket weaving.
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He probably can’t coach her son up to a first-round pick. Alabama has had 7 first round picks over the past 3 years, so the odds of being a first round pick are small for anyone, even from a football factory from Alabama.
Probably using the same line that most coaches will use. Doesn’t matter if it’s Miles or Saban, they tell these guys they’ll be the starter, they’ll get them to the NFL- basically promise them anything to get them to come to the school to play.
Hmmmm….. let’s see….
Last time I checked, it Saban’s job to prep and ‘get’ all qualified prospects to the NFL.
It is Ms. Justin’s role to make sure her son takes advantage of his education.
Why do soooooooo many parents today externalize the burden of success???
Do your part as a P-A-R-E-N-T Ms Justin, and your son will do very well at Alabama.
I’m confident Coach Saban will do his part as a FOOTBALL coach.
You could fix this whole argument and send him to Michigan, where he’ll get one of the best education’s in the NATION, AND NFL opportunity.
Right. You can tell by listening to most of the Michigan football and basketball players that they are their for the education, because Michigan is so selective about their athletes from an academic standpoint.
@lemmam and @psuravens:
You’ve apparently never seen Tommy Boy with Chris Farley:
“John Hancock? It’s Herbie Hancock.”
John’s just too gracious to point that out to you.
Saban’s real job is to win games at Alabama…and, as a part of that, recruit smart kids and, as Paterno said, see that they take worthwhile courses, go to class, study hard and are good citizens…..A winner on the college football field is not always someone who will make a great pro or even make it as a pro…
Saban needs to recruit talented football players in order to his job correctly. Whether or not they are smart is mostly incidental- they need to be smart enough to know what to do on the football field. Everything else is secondary.
Don’t people go play college football at Alabama because they want to go to the NFL someday?
Get over it. If a comment made during a short visit is going to sway the kid, he has bigger issues. If she has to live near her “baby”, move.
In any case, he’s now an adult and should be making his own derisions. Nothing says that she won’t have input into his life. Nor is her concern for a education misdirected.
But maybe her son has the right to control his own life at this point.
>>>>And, despite those very public reservations, we’re guessing mom will be along for the journey every step of the way.<<<<<
And so she should.
frank booth, smart kids make better players than dumb ones given the complexity of modern football…But, the fact still remains that these kids have to qualify to get in a good school and they also have to maintain eligibility virtually week to week..and, these days, professors don’t react kindly to coaches who interfere–on behalf of a student-athlete–in their professorial responsibilities…I disagree that most athletes go to college with the expectation of become a pro athlete…If you divide the number of kids who play college sports by the number of kids who make it in the pros, you will find that successful percentage is tiny…College athletes these days are not as out of touch with reality as you think. Apparently all some people (who love to comment about college sports on these blogs) only know what they see on television and what they hear from commentators…Would that be you, frank?
Maybe Ms. Justin had a better offer from LSU. Cha Ching….
On another note, how does dad feel about it?
She stereotyped herself at that news conference. Instead of running her mouth and talking down her son’s choice, she should’ve thanked God he had a shot at a decent education.
goforthaddie, I imagine she had thanked God long ago for her son’s athletic abilities…At this news conference it might be a given that she already knew her son had plenty of college suitors and would have no problem getting a scholarship to many colleges and had a shot at a “decent education”. Why do assume that she had not thanked God?
I think Mama’s main issue with Saban is that, from her perspective, he appeared to assume she was more interested in her son’s money making capacity (and what she’d get out of that) as a pro football player than she was his education.
17, 18, 19 does not an adult make!!
Having coached college football, I can attest that very few 17, 18 & 19 year old high school seniors or even college freshmen, sophs and some seniors are anything close to being an adult!!
harleyspoon says:
Jan 27, 2012 1:52 PM
frank booth, smart kids make better players than dumb ones given the complexity of modern football…But, the fact still remains that these kids have to qualify to get in a good school and they also have to maintain eligibility virtually week to week..and, these days, professors don’t react kindly to coaches who interfere–on behalf of a student-athlete–in their professorial responsibilities…I disagree that most athletes go to college with the expectation of become a pro athlete…If you divide the number of kids who play college sports by the number of kids who make it in the pros, you will find that successful percentage is tiny…College athletes these days are not as out of touch with reality as you think. Apparently all some people (who love to comment about college sports on these blogs) only know what they see on television and what they hear from commentators…Would that be you, frank?
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First off, show me where I said that most athletes go to colege with the expectation to go pro. Second, it’s a given that smarter kids can better handle the complexities of football offenses and defenses. But let’s not sit here and pretend that schools don’t bend the rules do get talented players in, and keep them in there.
The most important thing for major sports programs at major universities is to make money- to do that, you have to win games, and to win, you need top physical talent. Otherwise, you’d see a bunch of Rhodes Scholars on the football field. But the NCAA only requires that they maintain minimum academic standards in order to keep playing.
That means take the easiest courses possible in the easiest programs and get by. And there are still people that will “help” them out. The schools invest a lot in these athletes and they need to insure a return on their investment. Heck, Derrick Rose of the Bulls had someone else take his SAT to get into Memphis a few years ago. We all know the stories- and we’ve heard a lot of these student-athletes speak after games and struggled to understand them as they butcher the English language. FWIW, I have 3 friends with sons at major college programs, with one going to an elite Big Ten university to play football. The same kind of shenanigans and bending standards to make sure these kids can play and stay occurs at all 3, although to varying degrees.
What college did you coach at?
Typical, she’s playing the race card and making much ado about nothing.
Frank booth,
Are you the only one who comments here? This is the comment that I disagreed with, Frank:
brenenostler says: Jan 27, 2012 1:32 PM
“Don’t people go play college football at Alabama because they want to go to the NFL someday?”
Don’t get your bowels in an uproar, Bubba…Every response is not just for you or as a result of exactly what you have said!!!
Actually, we all have heard your and other “stories” but they are the very minor exception to all of the kids who go to college on an athletic scholarship…Yeah, there are abuses from time to time but tell me what human entities (churches, oil companies, Wall Street companies, automakers, etc., etc., etc.) where all kinds of “stories” where human misbehavior never happens…Our system teaches greed, short-cuts, win at all costs, cheating, back-stab, cut-throat and so forth…Is it shocking to find that there are some in college sports who use those tactics? Only to a fool! It us usually found out and punishments are meted out to one extent or another! Humanity, at all levels from the cradle to the grave, is a flawed specie….I think preachers call it the “old sin nature” of mankind.
Incidentally, many people in the north, south, east and west “butcher the English language”…Being from Texas, I can probably be accused of that by a smart-assed Yankee (many of whom also do a pretty good job of “butchering the English language”)!
I coached at Baylor (with Grant Teaff in the 70′s), Memphis State (with Fred Pancoast) and Northern Illinois (with Pat Culpepper)….I was also Baylor Football’s Academic Coordinator as well as defensive assistant and out of state recruiter…
harleyspoon says:
Jan 27, 2012 2:50 PM
Frank booth,
Are you the only one who comments here? This is the comment that I disagreed with, Frank:
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Seeing that you addressed your post to me initially, and then closed it out by addressing me, and didn’t address anything to anyone else, it would appear that you were rebutting my comments (at least to any reasonable person).
I think you know what I mean when I speak about the English language. I’m not talking about regional differences or pidgin variations, but just a complete lack of ability to use grammar reasonably well.
I have no reason not to believe that you are telling the truth about your experiences (nor any reason to believe that you are), but certainly the landscape has changed since then. When I was at the University of Minnesota, cheating was rampant- I remember two highly-recruited players who came from poor families with really nice cars, and later the dismissal of McKinley Boston in regards to academic cheating in Clem Haskins’ basketball program (an advisor admitted to writing 400 papers for 20 basketball players in a 5 year period).
When I was at Wake Forest, I remember two hoops players in my Theology class that rarely showed up, even though there was an attendance requirement. It was commonly known that several of the bball players barely attended classes, and that they were being taken care of. I saw this stuff and I’m guessing I saw about 2% of what really goes on.
Today, the money is much bigger, and the pressure to win is more intense. My guess is that there are more violations occurring, and that schools have become smarter about keeping them under wraps. Heck, Penn State was able to hide the actions of a serial child molester for a decade.
Seeing this headline I thought, “Not that mother again.
Please let this kid just go to LSU.” Stage mothers are usually more trouble than their children are worth. But after reading the article, I like this kid and hope he can succeed in his ambitions, including putting some distance between himself and a mother who seems bent on making herself the center of attention in his story.
Yes, LSU is second in graduations among SEC schools while Alabama ranks fourth. But Saban has significantly increased graduation rates among Alabama football players. And if academics were here real concern, she might be happy that Bama ranks 31st among the nation’s public schools compared to 63rd for LSU. If securing her son’s future is her first priority, then she should be thrilled that Saban has a good record of placing NFL recruits, even though few are chosen. Of course, he assumed that’s something she’d be glad to hear. Her son’s ambition is to play professional football. Nick didn’t realize it’s all about her.
Landon, best of luck if you continue to Alabama. I’m not worried your mother will skip your games. I’d be more worried she’d move to T-Town and dog your footsteps.
Were the graduation rates quoted for football only or for the universities’ athletes in general?
I wonder what kind of academic scholarship this kid could get on his own?
I believe Southern U in Baton Rouge is in trouble with the NCAA for non-attainment of academic standards by their athletes.
@cometkazie: yes, those grad rates were for football only.
Atleast he didn’t try to grayshirt her kid…yet.
Frank Booth….I don’t give a damn what you believe or don’t believe about my background (it is beside the point) or coaching career which began in Beaumont, Texas,,,moved to Houston (Spring Branch Memorial HS), moved to Baylor, moved to Memphis State, moved to Grand Prairie (Tx) HS, moved to Northern Illinois…If I were making things up, I’d surely have told a more grandiose story …Re football scandal: You mentioned less than a dozen kids who were involved in some messy things at Minnesota and Wake Forest…How many kids were athletes at that time at those schools? You typically make a mountain out of a mole hill in order to build your case…That was a Reagan/Gingrich tactic…Any wrong deed is bad but, given the nature f man, it is shocking that more crap doesn’t happen…That is an understatement…
I think you may have some subliminal race issues and maybe you are a “has been who never was” and you harbor some jealousy for those who have been in the game and succeeded in the game…
If you want to check my football years out, you can go to Facebook and find Mike Cordova (a Mt. Lake Terrace, Washington Parade HS All American) who I recruited for Baylor but lost to Stanford where he was a starting QB..He later played pro ball..) or you can wallow around in your blissful doubt…That’s up to you!!!
Reblogged this on The Shop Blog and commented:
BaMa prides itself on putting guys in the league so why is the recruits mom surprised?
Saban could have said, “We will see that your son goes to class, studies hard, gets a great education, remains a good citizen, has a great experience, leaves the University of Alabama with a meaningful degree and the opportunity to play the game he loves at the next level….” This Mama seems to care about her whole son, not just the football playing son….What’s wrong with that?
One more thing Collins’s mom doesnt like……..Landon’s girlfriend goes to bama and he chose her over his mom. its the power of the pu**y. man he’s gonna regret that decision when he realizes 5 star recruits dont stick with high school girlfriends
harleyspoon-
If your coaching career is beside the point, why mention it? And just because someone is making something up, it doesn’t need to be grandiose- it just needs to be believable.
How do I typically make a mountain out of a molehill to build my case? Explain. Examples?
If schools are getting caught in cheating scandals, there is possibly and probably a lot more activity that isn’t caught. When you say;
“You mentioned less than a dozen kids who were involved in some messy things at Minnesota and Wake Forest…How many kids were athletes at that time at those schools?
You seem to be making an assumption that since no one else was caught, nothing else was going on. If you want to be a pollyanna about it, be my guest.
Subliminal race issue? A “has been that never was”? What would make me that? Please, let me know. Do you know what I do for a living or what my goals are? If not, you can’t make that statement.
I’m not sure what you are talking about, unless you’re attempting to give me a 10-cent diagnosis on the basis of a few posts. More likely, I irritate you, and you need to resort to ad hominem attacks in order to put me down and obfuscate the point. You seem to be more interested in condescension than discussing the point.
Wow thumbs down for me…………..
Last time I checked Landon wasn’t going to college on an “academic” scholarship, but a “football” scholarship.
Yes the percentage of those who have the privilege of playing in the NFL is small, but you are all delusional if you think Landon doesn’t feel going to a certain school, over another and being coached by one of the best secondary instructors in all of college football won’t help him potentially with a pro career.
@Deb
You are correct, this is not her decision its his, perhaps she is having some trouble realizing her “baby” is about to leave the nest.
if he came here and told me my son would get an nfl contract,i’d *hit kittens!
What did she think Nick Saban was there for? I mean, she did know that he is the coach for Alabama, correct? Does she really think he is there to recruit the kid for academic reasons?
harleyspoon-
One of the best moves you made was missing out on Mike Cordova as a recruit- not much room for a QB with a 45% completion rate. He lost his job to Guy Benjamin, got drafted in the 11th round by teh Eagles, so I suppose you could say he went pro, even though he never played a down in the NFL regular season.
Injuries…Bubba, Injuries..Ever heard of ‘em…But, that’s not the point, you arrogant & impudent abortion that survived the outhouse where you were dropped as an unwanted fetus….The point is that he can affirm whatever it is that you doubt…asshole!!!! Leave it to an abortion like you who lives to change the subject in the middle of the discussion…Of course, I did get Louie Kelcher his start as his very first coach…..and he played plenty of downs for me in Beaumont and and against me (when I was coaching at Baylor and he was at SMU)…I don’t have to prove anything to a loser piece of white trash like you…You argue just to argue but to no real end…as I said, you are a “has been that never was” and no doubt never played a down for anyone anywhere…and I suspect you have race issues and probably viagra problems…I can get in the gutter with you, turd…You live to demean people and I will enjoy returning the favors to a slum dog like you…but I won’t waste a hell of a lot more of my time on riff-raff like you!!!
Jason…Every scholarship has “academic” standards attached…You can’t get one without qualifying…You can’t keep one without maintaining a decent grade point average…and you can lose one for being a bad actor…
@frank booth and harleyspoon …
You’re both making good points. harleyspoon, you may have missed the previous stories about this woman being an LSU fan and strenuously objecting to her son choosing Bama over LSU. Most of her problem probably centers on the stick up her … um, the obsessive personal hatred for Saban she shares with many other LSU fans sprinkled in with some tightly knotted apron strings and desperate attention-seeking.
Nick has more than proved that academics are a priority for him. That’s why he sprearheaded an effort to raise $15 million to fund an academic center for student athletes at LSU. His first team at Alabama achieved one of the highest academic ratings in school history. The national championship team in 2009 featured 13 players who’d already received their degrees–tops in the nation that year–and increased to 22 by the time the title game was played.
So yes, it’s important that coaches focus on their students’ academics and Nick has a long history of doing that. This woman has a personal issue with him that has nothing to do with the reality of how he prioritizes academics.
And harleyspoon, frank booth is also correct that, for all their posturing, schools in the Big 10, Big 12, and Pac 12 are just as concerned about winning as schools in the SEC … and they have the same academic issues.
Deb, I have read every word on this blog from the very beginning….
As I said, I think Mama took his statement personally as a stereotypical implication that she would be, as a Black woman, more interested in the $$$$ her son would make as a professional football player than the academic aspect of his college experience…and that was my only point…and it still is my only contention. All of this deprecation of her is ridiculous and smacks of overt or covert or subliminal racial assumptions and stereotyping by some of the bloggers…
Whether she was right or wrong or whether she wanted her son to go to LSU because she is an LSU fan is beside that point….
Saban could have been a little more tasteful and racially sophisticated in his opening statement…I am not into political correctness but maybe Mama is and maybe for good reason…That doesn’t take away from the fact that I think Saban is a great football coach and a really good man…I don’t mean any disrespect for the LSU coach but if I had a football playing son today (my sons are all in their 50′s) and the choice was LSU or Alabama, I’d hope he’d pick Bama….I have oodles of kin-folks in Alabama and only one cousin in Louisiana (Shreveport).
I haven’t implied that all colleges at all levels don’t want to win….and that their coaches don’t need to win to keep their jobs…If they didn’t, they shouldn’t be in the game…Neither have I implied that Southern Schools aren’t concerned about academics anymore than the other conferences you mentioned…I agree that hanky panky takes place in college football but I do know that coaches and colleges at all levels and in all regions do everything they humanly can do to minimize that. So, I don’t get the point of your last paragraph…
@harleyspoon …
She just doesn’t like Alabama and doesn’t like Saban. Nothing he said would have gone over well with her. Race hasn’t crossed my mind in taking digs at her. I’m just taking digs at another LSU fan mouthing off about my coach. I’ve had enough of that in the last couple of months to last a lifetime
Sorry about that last paragraph. I was agreeing with frank on setting those high-flying Michigan fans straight. Don’t know why I stuck your name in there.
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9. The unknown prospect. Know of a good prospect who you think Baylor coaches should know about? You may send to Baylor coaches the prospect’s name and why you believe he or she should be recruited. However, you may not contact the prospect or his/her coaches or relatives for the purpose of recruitment or gathering of information planned for sending to Baylor.
10. Family friends, neighbors, etc. What if you are a Baylor fan, former student, and/or booster but also have a non-recruiting reason to interact with a recruit and/or his/her relatives? NCAA rules make an exception for this. Contacts made with a prospective student-athlete by an established family friend or neighbor by a booster are permissible if they are not made for recruiting purposes and are not initiated by a member of an institution’s coaching staff. How do you know if you have such an established family friendship? Click on this link: http://www.baylorbears.com/compliance/bay-existing-relationship.html
11. Coaches/teachers of prospects who are also Baylor boosters, fans, and/or former students. You may interact as you normally would with the recruits you coach/teach, but you may do so only in your capacity as the recruit’s coach/teacher, not a Baylor fan. You may provide advice about the prospect’s choice of future institution, but it should be objective counsel. For example, if you are advocating that the recruit play ball at Baylor simply because you’re a fan of Baylor Athletics, that would not be permissible–and there is precedent for the NCAA placing an institution on probation because a coach of prospects was acting as a booster for the NCAA institution involved, rather than as the prospect’s coach.
12. Media members who are also fans, former students, and/or boosters of Baylor may interact and communicate with prospects and their relatives if that is part of their reporting work, but they must not advocate for Baylor when interacting with prospects and/or prospects’ relatives. In other words, they are to report the recruiting stories, not become part of them.
13. What is a booster/representative of an institution’s athletics interests? This is the NCAA definition: https://web1.ncaa.org/LSDBi/exec/bylawSearch?bylawSearchSubmit=viewHtml&division=1&textTerms=&titleTerms=&keyValue=306&reportType=NotMain&adopted=0
14. Social Networking. Can Tweeting or interacting with a prospective student-athlete through social networking alone result in me becoming a booster for Baylor? Yes, even though you may never have donated to any booster organization or Baylor athletics, if you are promoting Baylor to a prospective student-athlete through on-line social networks or tweeting at them, you will be classified as a booster upon discovery of such attempts to assist in recruitment.
15. Booster status = institutional accountability. If you are a booster/representative of Baylor’s athletics interests and you violate NCAA rules, the NCAA may hold Baylor responsible and penalize the institution as well as the prospective or current student-athlete for your actions that violate NCAA rules.
16. Once a booster, always a booster. For example, if you’ve ever been a member of the Baylor Bear Foundation, Linebacker Club, Tip Off Club, Fast Break Club, Heart of the Order, Diamond Club, Chip In Club, Break Point Club, Baseline Club, Quick Attack Club, Paddock Club, etc, then you are a Baylor booster for life.
17. Hello, recruit? What if a recruit or recruit’s relatives call, email, or otherwise attempt to correspond with you? A booster may correspond with or communicate with a prospect or his/her relatives via the telephone only if the prospect or his/her relatives initiate the telephone conversation or correspondence and the communication is not for recruiting purposes. Under such circumstances, the booster must refer questions about the institution’s athletics program to the athletics department staff.
So you don’t like the NCAA restrictions. You’re entitled to your opinion of NCAA rules, and no doubt many share it. Many point out that, for example, the booster recruiting ban is commonly violated, and that is true. Nevertheless, please comply with this and other NCAA rules as you do with other rules and restrictions you are subject to but may not agree with. There may be no consequence for you as a fan or former student following a violation of NCAA rules, but there likely will be for the prospective or current student-athlete, the sport program, and the university. Please be sure to visit the Baylor Athletics Compliance webpage for more information or call the compliance office at 254-710-1234.:710-1234:
http://www.baylorbears.com/compliance/bay-compliance-boosters.html
Deb, Racial aspersions rarely occur to white people…We are not as sensitive to that as minorities are, naturally, given the facts of history. I am sure Mama would not like Saban since she is an avid LSU fan but had Saban used a little more sensitivity, he could have avoided this aspect of the controversy by talking about Alabama academic assets and the expectations the program has for athletes in that regard before he mentioned pro football….As I said, I have virtually unlimited respect or Saban as a coach and as a human being….I believe he could produce a winner by doing it right and honorably at any university, north, south, east, west, small school, large school, private school, public school, church school….He has a formula and he knows how to implement it…Having said all of that, I think Mama will like Saban before it is all over…
harleyspoon says:
Jan 27, 2012 5:44 PM
Injuries…Bubba, Injuries..Ever heard of ‘em…But, that’s not the point, you arrogant & impudent abortion that survived the outhouse where you were dropped as an unwanted fetus….The point is that he can affirm whatever it is that you doubt…asshole!!!! Leave it to an abortion like you who lives to change the subject in the middle of the discussion…Of course, I did get Louie Kelcher his start as his very first coach…..and he played plenty of downs for me in Beaumont and and against me (when I was coaching at Baylor and he was at SMU)…I don’t have to prove anything to a loser piece of white trash like you…You argue just to argue but to no real end…as I said, you are a “has been that never was” and no doubt never played a down for anyone anywhere…and I suspect you have race issues and probably viagra problems…I can get in the gutter with you, turd…You live to demean people and I will enjoy returning the favors to a slum dog like you…but I won’t waste a hell of a lot more of my time on riff-raff like you!!!
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LOL! I haven’t had a good belly-laugh like that in a long time- not since I was dropped in an outhouse as an unwanted fetus. But I’m resilient, and I guess that is a credit to me that I crawled out of the outhouse and survived, and then flourished into white-trash riff-raff, with the goal of building a trailer next to yours.
You put me down from the start and then accuse me of demeaning you. You can’t answer a single question that I ask so that you can support your allegations. Since you can’t argue, you’re reduced to going after me. I never said I didn’t believe you (I never said I did, either). You have argued nothing; you’ve just attacked me, which is more entertaining that bothersome.
You are right, I’ve never played a down of football, but that has no bearing on the discussion.
As far as viagra and race issues, and seeing that you accuse me of the very things that you do (condescension), my guess is that, in pure narcissistic fashion, you accuse others of the very things that you do and the problems that you have. My other guess is that you have some anger issues as well. Actually, that’s not a guess.
Louie Kelcher would have been nothing without you. I believe you. You’re the best.
Considering the source of your last comment, every word you have wasted your time with is no more than the defecation you grew up in at the bottom of that outhouse you were dropped in…..
You are wrong on every count in the comments above…Even the last sentence…
Your having never played football is pertinent in any discussion about football, recruiting or any other aspect of the great sport. It is like me opining about brain surgery having never been to medical school…
Regarding Louie Kelcher, I did one thing for him. I helped him erase the word “quit” out of his vocabulary..He didn’t quit when his rookie coach (me) talked him out of quitting football as an 8th grader at Bowie Junior HS in Beaumont, Texas. The rest is history: Football All Stater, All American DL at SMU, Pro Bowler while at San Diego, Super Bowl Ring at San Francisco, Charger Hall of Famer and future Texas Sports Hall of Famer….and he is a charitable man and a really good guy…He did those things on his own.
I do resent your besmirching Mike Cordova. I will take his class and character over yours (obviously) any day of the week. He got to play at Stanford and he got to play professional football. What in the hell have you done but live vicariously through the lives of others? Mike is a really fine man with an awesome wife, three daughters who graduated from Stanford, Notre Dame and Columbia. He owns a successful business in the Seattle area and believes in loyalty..a lesson learned as a team member….Something you probably haven’t learned yet.
As for me, I live in Austin, Houston, Waco, Palm Springs and Ireland and own an international ranching operation in the US, Argentina, Australia & England (where they call my place a farm and a park)….Your trailer won’t be allowed in any of my neighborhoods….
I told you I would meet you in your gutter. So I did. Shame on both of us!!
Nice story.
The mom has a right to her opinion. If you all had kids that were elite athletes you would go with the coach that made the best impression. So the mom didn’t like his pitch. Doesn’t make this a racial issue…the mom clearly wanted to see her son stay close to home…
Saban should lead with “your kid will be a high draft pick” as he has produced many in the last 3 years. That isn’t racism on his part that’s just factual…
You people devolve into white trailer trash comments…how stupid. As a black male there is plenty of racism in this country. I have a great education and have never been in trouble but get followed around at malls and pulled over and harassed by police. But everything isn’t a race issue…
White people are not in a position to expect us to completely forget 400 years of slavery and Jim crow which only ended a generation ago…however the descendants are not responsible for ills perpetrated by their great great grand parents.
African Americans must realize that although the playing field isn’t completely level it is much more level than 30years ago. Also statistically minorities are more likely to commit violent crime so when stereotyped it is for a reason…Socioeconomics plays a bigger role than anything else…but we all must work cohesively to rise as human beings
Now, what are those questions I haven’t answered? Ask’em again…I’ll try to answer them!!
Supremeomega, Where did I say it as racial? I said the Mama (a Black woman) probably saw it as a racial stereotypical assumption…given the history or race issues in this country. Why in the hell don’t you people read every word instead of just focusing on the few that give you a reason to make a ridiculous response. I did not imply in any form or fashion that Saban was a racist. Now, if you want to make idiotic assumptions about any charge you perceive I made that Saban is a racist as a reason for us to fight, I will damned sure join you in that..In the meantime, read what I said..not what you want to think I said because you have problems with the meanings of words individually, in the context of a sentence, in the context of a paragraph, in the context of a page, in the context of a chapter, in the context of a book….
“College” football issimply a joke. It’s a cash cow and does little to improve students’ lives. Only the best make the NFL and get paid. Most of the rest get their degrees done by other people, and get concussed enough that they’re screwed when they can’t keep a good job.
I get it. So if you haven’t played football, you can’t comment it?
These boards would be pretty barren based upon that premise.
Football is a sport that is watched by millions at the college and professional level. There are tons of analysts, radio and media professionals, many of whom have never played the sport.
Brain surgery is done in a closed antiseptic environment and watched by doctors, nurses, and medical students. There is absolutely no comparison between the two situations. Not even close.
How did I besmirch Mike Cordova? By reading his stats? I didn’t see any stats on his pro football career and I have no idea about the man and his daughters? That’s great that his daughters graduated from good colleges. I have no issues with that man. You have quite an imagination.
Seriously, though, who did he play for in the pros?
Why do you keep making things up?
Remember when you told me that I typically make mountains out of molehills and I asked you for examples?
You couldn’t provide any.
Yet, I’m wrong on all of my comments that you don’t support any of your allegations. You make things up and support none of your responses.
You’re a narcissist.
And now you need to tell the board about your homes and your international ranch operation, as if it has some bearing on the discussion.
Arrogance. Insecurity.
Now, tell me how I live vicariously through the lives of others. Just answer that one question. Please, give me one example.
And while you’re at it, tell me about how I haven’t learned about loyalty. Please.
That’s all you have to do. Tell me about how I typically make mountains out of molehills. Tell me how I besmirched Mike Cordova and how I live vicariously through the lives of others and how I haven’t learned about loyalty. Oh, and my subliminal race issues as well, tell me about that.
Those are your words, not mine. See what I mean when I say you make a bunch of allegations that you can’t possibly support?
Supremeomega, this is what I said early on,
“As I said, I think Mama may have taken his statement personally as a stereotypical implication that she would be, as a Black woman, more interested in the $$$$ her son would make as a professional football player than the academic aspect of his college experience…and that was my only point…and it still is my only contention. All of this deprecation of her (by some of these bloggers) is ridiculous and smacks of overt or covert or subliminal racial assumptions and stereotyping….
Whether she was right or wrong or whether she wanted her son to go to LSU because she is an LSU fan is beside that point….
Saban could have been a little more tasteful and racially sophisticated in his opening statement…I am not into political correctness but maybe Mama is and maybe for good reason…That doesn’t take away from the fact that I think Saban is a great football coach and a really good man…I don’t mean any disrespect for the LSU coach but if I had a football playing son today (my sons are all in their 50′s) and the choice was LSU or Alabama, I’d hope he’d pick Bama….I have oodles of kin-folks in Alabama and only one cousin in Louisiana (Shreveport).
Now. Supremeomega, just because you don’t see much from a racial perspective, that doesn’t mean others, white or lack, don’t…What you perceive is what you perceive; not what everyone else perceives. You are a man and your perceptions are the result of your experiences as a man, among other things, but not the Mama’s…
Harleyspoon-
Did you make sure that supremeomega played football before you responded to him?
You’ve already said that people who haven’t played football and commenting on it is tantamount to “opining about brain surgery without going to medical school…”
So, in your eyes, anyone’s opinion or comment on football, unless they’ve played, is worthless.
I guess that extends to scouts, AD’s and GM’s as well, among others.
Tell me, at what level of football does one become “enlightened” and qualifies to opine about football. Besides you, that is.
Hell, Frank..Everything I say is a mole hill that you make into a mountain…and I’m sure you can’t perceive that in yourself or your obtuse comments because you are more than likely the narcissist and/or maybe even a sociopath. You pose yourself as a psychologist….but did you take any psych courses in college? I did as one of my minors that turned out to be one of my majors….I loved it…and it helped me as a coach and teacher….Oh, now you’ll make that evidence that I am narcissistic…hahaha…You are too transparent!
As for not playing football, I didn’t say you couldn’t comment but that your comments are made in ignorance compared to those who have recruited, been recruited, played, coached, won and lost and dealt personally and directly with junior high, high school and college athletes….just like my comments would be if I opined about brain surgery or nuclear science…Yeah, I could comment on those things but it would be out of ignorance…
Re Cordova, it wasn’t what you said. It was how you said it. It was the smugness and visceral joy you took in putting him down without even knowing the facts of his career simply because I, your adversary in this discussion, mentioned his name; as if that had anything to do with the fact that I had to be a coach in order to have recruited him in the early ’70′s….He played for Philadelphia and San Francisco after Stanford.
Talk about narcissism..It was you who brought up the business about my living in “trailers”…that is narcissistic. It was I who admitted that I lived in a trailer (as if that is something really low…maybe it is a low-life thing to you) in the mid 1940′s..That is the opposite of narcissism…And, if you live in a trailer, I see nothing low class or shameful about it…It is better than the streets or under a bridge support….
As to my mention of myresidences, you made that pertinent when you got into that issue of trailers. I didn’t get into that until you entered trailers into the conversation…I have been lucky in business..I hit things at the right time…Hard work, good timing and loyal friends helped, however.
You put “loyalty” on the table when you made remarks about friends of mine assuming I would bite…and, out of loyalty to them, I did…on purpose!! Then you recoiled in virtual horror as if I had popped you up side the head…
To be honest, Bubba, I think you are the narcissist!! A narcissist is one whose ego is invested in ones self totally…By explaining that all I did for Louie Kelcher was talk him out of quitting (after you made that idiotic statement that implied that I took credit for his success) and he did the rest on his own; I was invested in him, not myself…That is the opposite of narcissism!!
I mentioned Cordova in response to your tacit disbelief in my mention of my football background merely that I knew what I was talking about from actual experience, not just from hearsay, commentary and gossip..and I didn’t pretend that I was anything special or a great championship coach…just an assistant coach at that…You took it as a brag when it certainly was not….Your powers of perception are severely lacking…or you are just a sad, pitiful ad lonely chicken shit individual…You tell me!!
As for your overt, covert or subliminal race issues, you had to throw out how “they butcher the English language”….with the implication the “they” were Blacks….
People who comment and pretend to have real knowledge about a sport they have never actually been physically involved with as a player or coach or even a manager or trainer do live parts of their lives vicariously through observation and opinions about others even when they have no real idea what is involved…You correctly point out that people who know nothing about sports seem to fill comment boards like this one with their opinions about aspects of sports as if they really knew what they were talking about…and then they get all gotch-eyed as if they have been physically assaulted and raped when people who have lived in sports up close and personally question their obviously naive exclamations and proclamations.
What he REALLY couldn’t tell his mom is that Alabama gave him more bitches, money, and blow and that’s why he chose them. The SEC is the dirtiest conference imaginable. You just KNOW he got some extra benefits. Saban is the king of dirty football.
Again, Frank, you show your incapacity to recognize context….and since the context of my conversation with supremeomega has to do with race…and I am sure he has some expertise regarding racial issues…
Wow! You’re clearly out of your mind.
My initial comments were very short. If you don’t agree with it, that’s fine. But your the guy who made this more bigger than it was. Re-read the thread. That’s all you need to do.
You never made a comment about living in a trailer in the 1940′s until your last post. Where did you comment about it prior?
And attempting to tie having to list all of your resdidences to my trailer comment is absolutely a stretch, and you know that. It’s just braggadocio on your part. Nothing more.
What smugness? What visceral joy? To be honest, though, there is no record of Mike Cordova playing for Philly or San Fran, even though he was drafted by Philly.
By the way, from your comments, you clearly have no grasp of what narcissism really is. And truth be told, neither one of would be able to tell if the other is a narcissist without a reasonable degree of contact. I don’t really know if you are. And you really don’t know if I am. You’re premise regarding that is all washed up. As is mine.
I never said I didn’t believe you, nor was it tacit. It’s hard to believe what most people say on the internet.
Race issues? Nice try. I used the word “they” describing student-athletes at University of Michigan. Not white. Not black. I’m sorry if you took it that way. Nice try, though.
As far as loyalty, you missed the point (as usual). I asked you to tell me how I haven’t learned about loyalty. You can’t do that anymore than you can tell me the color of my eyes or my hair because you don’t know me.
I could go on. I’m not. It’s really not worth it. Let’s just agree to disagree and not waste anymore time.
@ harleyspoon…
I didn’t read any of your comments nor was I responding to you. I don’t know why you felt the need to rant at me…
And I did play football at the FCS level…
You used the word, “they” and don’t try to be coy…You know exactly what you meant and so do I…Don’t play the bullshit game…
RE the business about “trailers”, I said that I lived in trailers after WW2 after my Dad got back from the war….Ellington AFB, Williams AFB, Connally AFB, Perrin AFB, Whiteman AFB, etc…We were transferred every year to a different base so it was not wise, then, for my folks to buy a house..I put that in a comment which has disappeared…and I used no profanity so that couldn’t be the reason it is not here any longer…
I didn’t make any claims that Mike tore the league up..I just said he was with Philadelphia and with Walsh at San Francisco…How long is not relevant to the argument in that I recruited him from Mt. Lake Terrace, Washington and he would attest to the fact that I coached a Baylor & recruited him..which you expressed what was apparent doubt about that…I merely named one person..There are plenty of others, including Grant Teaff who was Head Coach at Baylor when I was there & who is now the Exec Director of the American Football Coaches Assn located in Waco, Texas…which is my hometown and the headquarters for my ranch operations. In providing a reference, you implied that was evidence that I was narcissistic…I guess, to you, mentioning anything personal to dispel your doubt is narcissistic…How sad your life must be that you are so negative about sports, athletes, coaches and probably everything else…I pity you! I am only negative about people who spend life doubting everything and everybody…people like you! Yeah, I pity you!
Oh I see it was you. Never mind then. I really ain’t tryna argue via keyboard because that’s below me personally
Supremeomega, I was merely defending a woman who everyone was jumping all over in this blog. I was expressing that I think she felt, correctly or incorrectly, that Coach Saban improperly racially stereotyped her as one who would care about her son being a top draft choice ($$$$$) before she cared about her son getting a good education, etc, when he went right to the pro football angle before anything else…..Yes, it spun off into who said what and didn’t say what and you got in the middle of the road when you proclaimed it wasn’t racial…You may be right but I was merely explaining how I saw it from the possible perspective of the Mama….As one who recruited Black athletes way back when it was often an unpopular thing to do in the South, I had to consider all these things and take into consideration the issues involved and the happiness of the kids–and their families–on a majority white Southern campus….I guess Frank Booth will call me a narcissist for referencing my experience here….Screw him!! How in the hell can anyone make their comments relevant without referring to one’s background, experience and context???? No-one was giving the Mama any credit for caring about her son’s best interests from her perspective. As a parent, I felt she needed some consideration…Sorry if I ranted…Since I don’t know you personally, you can rest assured that it was not personal…And then came that smart assed remark from Frank Booth wanting to know if I asked you if you played football or coached or was ever recruited, etc….I am Irish/English with a touch of Scottish blood…My fires don’t take much kindling to go to full flame…especially when people like Frank are throwing gas on the little fire…
supremeomega, You should know that people with a lot of Irish blood in their veins will argue with a tree stump as a matter of great fun and recreation….I have a lot of Irish blood in my veins…
Damn, from the looks of things best thing anybody can do round here is to duck fore you get hit up side the headbone with flyin words and anger. Geesh guys, c’mon and play nice. We all love football as much as you do, we root for our favorite team(s), but you guys need to calm down fore one if not all of ya has a stroke. Take some chill pills and remember everything’s gonna be alright.
suprmous, would you deny us our fun ad games…???
Well, that pretty much seals it for me, harleyspoon. Now we have a phantom post about trailers and AF bases that has mysteriously disappeared.
I pity the people that have to suffer a loon such as yourself.
Does your caregiver know that you have internet access?
No, harleyspoonn I won’t deny you your fun and games but it just seems like you guys are on the fringes of goin too far. Then again i’ve been known to be wrong so crucify me once again.
@Frank Booth…. actually, yes you can.
#1 I was joking….
#2 If I wasn’t joking, Michigan is ranked along side Ivy League schools for it’s quality of education. Check it yourself.
So… your remark shows you may need more education…. ; )
The sociopathic, narcissistic and paranoid loon is you, Frank Booth….You don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground yet you pretend to think others need eduction & I doubt that you’ve ever had any nookie…Moreover, I suspect you are actually a son of a bitch….a bitch who tried hard to abort you…She should be burned at the stake for not succeeding…You started it again, Bubba….The outhouse is still your home…You never left it!!
Are you the same Harley Spoon that spews this same crap on political websites, calling people racists and such?
Youe attempts to insult my mom are hilarious and awesome. It shows how low you will drop. Harleyspoon can’t argue so he needs to after people’s mothers.
So far, you’ve called me a failed abortion, told me I’ve never been laid and use Viagra, don’t know about loyalty, I’m a racist (I see you’ve called people racists on political threads, so I’m in good company). You have a real need to call people names. And let’s remember who brought this conversation into the gutter, Bubba: It was clearly you.
You clearly have no idea what a sociopath or narcissist is. And just as Deb called you out for saying you had a law degree on another thread, there’s no way you were a psychology major.
You’re a charlatan major, however.
There is a Harley Spoon that coached where you say he did, although I’m not really certain that’s you. On a Texas football thread, there is a guy who calls himself Harley Spoon, only because he thinks the name is funny and a guy named Harley Spoon coached his brother 40 years ago. Could that be you? I think it is.
You seem to have had many minors and majors in college. And on one thread on PFT, you say you went to law school. And on another, you said you have an MA in Econ and History, and a PhD in Politics. You’re like an actor/singer/dancer/poet. Remember when you talked about grandiose lying?
Then you have your friend Mike Cordova, who you insist played professional football, yet I cannot find his name on either the Eagles and 49ers all time rosters, or anywhere on pro football reference.
And then we have your fantasy post about you living in a trailer and a bunch of Air Force bases that mysteriously disappeared because of language- Yet, all of these other posts are here. Air Force bases? No. Air Force BS.
For more harleyspoon nuttiness, here is a great example, setting the PFT record for most consecutive posts in a thread, twice.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/10/mark-emmert-ncaa-will-monitor-penn-state-situation/
Have a good day, harleyspoon, or whomever you are.
polegojim says:
Jan 28, 2012 9:48 AM
@Frank Booth…. actually, yes you can.
#1 I was joking….
#2 If I wasn’t joking, Michigan is ranked along side Ivy League schools for it’s quality of education. Check it yourself.
So… your remark shows you may need more education…. ; )
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Jim- I should have clarified my response to “coaching up”. He can be, but he has to have the talent first. And being a first round pick depends on a lot of variables (talent, system that allows him to flourish, program he comes from, coachability, etc.) A kid can only be “coached up” so much, and there are only 32 slots in the first round.
As far as U of Michigan, I used it as an example precisely because it is an elite school, and one that clearly bends its academic standards for the benefit of its football and basketball programs.
Ahh, Frank Booth, you obtuse perverted nutcase, stick it up your worn out old ass (and we can all be sure we know why your ass is so worn out)…It is quite possible that I hit the wrong key after sending the “Air Force base” and “trailer” comment instead of “submit” and, thus, lost the reply….But, nevertheless, the reality still holds…You are a screwed up little son of a bitch who needs his ass kicked up between your ears..and at almost 70, I can handle that…
ob·tuse
1. not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not sensitive or observant; dull.
Does this mean you’re not going to invite me over to see your really cool flag collection?
You call me a pervert, and then you make the comment about “my ass being worn out”? What’s on your mind? Another prime example of you accusing others of exactly what we are. How did you know to set yourself so perfectly?
Can’t forget about the blithering BS about the phantom post. First it it had disappeared from the site after being posted. Now, you just hit the wrong key and it never appeared. What’s next? Did the dog eat it?
Next, you walk right into playing the internet bully. That’s what you’ve reduced yourself to.
And just to maximize the hilarity, you provide us with the definition of “obtuse”, just in case we didn’t know how to characterize your post.
Bravo, harleyspoon, bravo. You win. I can’t make a bigger fool out of you than you do on your own.
Messrs. Frank Booth, Harley Spoon (if those are your real names),
Gentlemen, before y’all decide to settle this spat by laying your junk out on a cyber table and measuring it, how about you both agree to disagree and leave it at that? Or, perish the thought, do it with a wee bit more (gasp!) civility and decorum. Unless, ya know, you want management to step in and stomp all over your First Amendment rights.
Sincerely,
Said Management
Booth, many perverts like you have worn out asses…and you got yours from bending over in Sandusky’s shower…voluntarily…and that’s you, not me…
As for the “bully” bullshit, you are being treated with kid gloves compared to what you deserve..I am being too kind to you, you pitiful, wimpy, walking, talking obsessive compulsive little pervert…I’ll play your game, though. I don’t know that you are a pervert but I don’t know that you aren’t!! I’ll just assume you are, anyway. Poor baby!!
You rekindled this little powder puff fight with your “loon” remark…so go back and get your modess….Your dripping all over the place…and until you drop the crap, this little contest will continue on and on and on…
I’m all for civility and decorum but that won’t happen until Booth quits his baiting…..I haven’t learned the art of “turning the other cheek” and, since I am an old dog…well, you know the old saying about old dogs and new tricks…As long as Booth keeps going with his smart-assed remarks, I will continue to retort…..until y’all clean both of our comments off this subject…Which might be advisable…
harleyspoon …
Daddy (the management) has spoken. Don’t underestimate Daddy.
“until y’all clean both of our comments off this subject…”
I’m trying to give y’all the opportunity to clean it up because, to be honest, I enjoy what you both bring to this place on a daily basis. I don’t want to censor anyone, especially two individuals who are obviously intelligent but have decided for whatever reason to plow new ground below the gutter.
Just asking (for now) for one of ya to be the better man and take the discussion in a different direction if y’all want it to continue on this thread.
OK…I will be the “better man” and “cease and desist”…
John- I’m willing to take responsibility for my actions, but…
make sure you reread the posts as far as the “gutter” goes. The “better man”, as he calls himself, was the one who referred to me as an unwanted abortion, threatened me, called my mom a bitch, and referred to me in regards to anal intercourse. I did nothing close to that.
OK, now that both have responded on this thread, we can all agree that what’s gone down over the past 24 hours or so is unacceptable, especially for two people who are intelligent and better than the level to which they’ve both sunk.
I’m assuming you both agree with that ballpark assessment, correct?
I really enjoy both you guys and, again, what y’all bring to the discussion. Momentary lapse of reason — that’d make a great Floyd song, btw — is what I’ll chalk this lil’ episode up to.
While you are at it, take a look at why I said those things about the impudent prick!!! I meant every word then and I still do!!
Wow – Holy Off Topic Batman… er JT.
All I can say is…. GO BLUE, Tame the TIDE.
Luv ya Deb…..
When people can’t win on the merits of their position, they make snide, smart ass remarks that are intended to cause exactly what happened. That was John Booth’s impudent modus and it will always be his modus…and, if he rekindles the fire, I will pour gas on it…again!!
First, we get…
“OK…I will be the “better man” and “cease and desist”…”
Then, we get…
“While you are at it, take a look at why I said those things about the impudent prick!!! I meant every word then and I still do!!”
Apparently, Mr. Harley Spoon, you believe I’m all talk and no action. I believe, on the other hand, that you are incorrect.
Love and kisses to you and LaMarr Woodley, polegojim, but my Tide will not be tamed by those Wolverines!!
harleyspoon …
I tried to tell you not to mess with Daddy. And you are have not been talking with John Sic semper tyrannis Booth.
; ) see you there?
please tell me the girlfriend is white.
In the end it is up to the athlete if they get an education, wherever they play, or not. The NFL will find you wherever you are, (see Jerry Rice)
In the end it is up to the athlete if they get an education, wherever they play, or not. If you are good, the NFL will find you wherever you are, (see Jerry Rice)
@polegojim …
Oh, I wish!! I’d love a trip to Jerry’s World!! Don’t think I’ll be able to swing it though. May just have to settle for the Iron Bowl this year
Wow, what an entertaining comment thread. I kept seeing the comment total go up and up but refused to read because I have been in such a good mood lately and didn’t want to ruin it with the redneck this and the Satan that garbage. Then I did and had a very good laugh that put me into an even better mood. Especially liked the part about crawling out of the outhouse to become white trash riff raft. Very funny stuff. What was this article about again?