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Update: Bielema doesn’t want Big Ten ‘to be like the SEC in any way, shape or form’

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In the two months following his hiring by Ohio State, Urban Meyer took what was shaping up to be a middle-of-the-road recruiting class and turned it into a consensus top-five group by the time National Signing Day 2012 had been put to bed.

In getting to as high as No. 3 in the Scout.com rankings, Meyer and his coaching staff flipped several highly-touted recruits, including some who had been verbally committed to other Big Ten schools.  Penn State, Wisconsin and Michigan State all felt the Meyer Effect in one way or the other on the recruiting trail, and it was the latter two programs that have not been shy about expressing their “displeasure” with the recruiting tactics that have brought to the conference.

Wednesday, Cleveland Heights (Ohio) offensive tackle Kyle Dodson announced that he was signing a Letter of Intent with Ohio State.  The four-star lineman had been a verbal commitment to UW since last June, but began to lean toward OSU after Meyer came on board.

While not specifically addressing the Dodson flip, UW head coach Bret Bielema told reporters that he had prior concerns over what he considered recruiting tactics on the part of the new OSU regime that were — his word — illegal.  As a result, Bielema claims to have spoken to Meyer about the situation and resolved whatever issue there was.

“There’s a few things that happened early on that I made people be aware of, that I didn’t want to see in this league, that I had seen take place in other leagues,” Bielema said during his signing day press conference yesterday. “Other recruiting tactics, other recruiting practices, that are illegal.

“I was very upfront, very pointed to the fact — actually reached out to coach Meyer and shared my thoughts and concerns with him. The situation got rectified.”

One of the issues — albeit not an illegal one — is Meyer “breaking” an unwritten agreement among Big Ten coaches in which, once a prospect commits to a program in the conference, other coaches decline to actively recruit the player.  Meyer “broke” that “gentleman’s agreement” in the case of Dodson, as well as in the recruitment of Se’Von Pittman.

The four-star Canton, Oh., defensive end had long been a Michigan State commit, but flipped to the Buckeyes after Meyer’s hiring.  Like Bielema, the Spartans took issue with Meyer doing something that “Jim Tressel and Mark Dantonio would never” do: “call or talk to each other’s commitments.”

“It sets a tone and starts a recruiting rivalry,” MSU defensive coordinator Pat Narduzzi said the Monday before signing day. “I guess it’s fair game. You don’t want it to be that way, but that’s how it is.”

Narduzzi went on to add that “you lose friendships over that.”  We’re guessing that Meyer’s not going to be losing a lot of sleep over the loss of conference friends.

At his post-signing day press conference, Meyer explained the process of continuing to recruit a player who’s already given a verbal elsewhere.

“Sometimes they say, ‘How can you go recruit a young guy committed to another school?’” Meyer said. “You ask a question, ‘Are you interested?’ If they say, ‘No,’ you move on. If they say, ‘Yes, very interested,’ then you throw that hook out there. If they’re interested, absolutely [you recruit them], especially from your home state. Is it gratifying to take a guy from another school? Not at all.”

While it may be “pretty unethical” what Meyer is doing, at least in comparison to how business has been conducted in the Big Ten in the past, it is far from illegal and is not going anywhere.  So, if the rest of the conference — Michigan notwithstanding; they’re doing just fine thank you very much — wants to avoid being run roughshod over on an annual basis in the recruiting game, they might want to consider adjusting to the new “recruiting rules” in the conference.

OSU’s hated rival already has; I’d suggest the rest of the conference respond in kind.  For better or worse, Meyer has brought an SEC way to the Big Ten recruiting trail.  Keep up, or future signing day tramplings could very well in the offing.

UPDATED 6:29 p.m. ET: It’s official.  Meyer is in Bielema’s head.

Speaking to Matt Hayes of The Sporting News, Bielema stated that his boss, athletic director Barry Alavarez, will speak to Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany about Meyer’s recruiting tactics during a meeting in Chicago Friday.  Bielema again complained about the recruiting practices utilized by Meyer and his OSU, hinting that whatever it was they were doing — Bielema would not delve into specifics as he seems more secure with blanket accusations made publicly — was illegal.

The biggest issue for Bielema, as well as Michigan State’s Mark Dantonio, is Meyer flipping recruits that had previously been committed to another program.  The gentleman’s agreement that existed prior to Meyer’s arrival in the Big Ten?  It doesn’t exist in Meyer’s old SEC stomping grounds.  And, much to the chagrin of Bielema, it doesn’t exist in Meyer’s recruiting version of the Big Ten either.

“I can tell you this,” Bielema told Hayes. “We at the Big Ten don’t want to be like the SEC—in any way, shape or form.”

As the SEC has won the BcS title each of the past six years, and the Big Ten hasn’t won one since after the 2001 season, consider it mission accomplished, Coach Bielema.

Of course, we’re also talking about a head coach who went for two up by four touchdowns with six minutes left against Minnesota, and whose Badgers hung 83 points on conference foe Indiana, so the angst Bielema’s displaying about “fairness” should be taken with a significantly sized grain of salt.

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96 Responses to “Update: Bielema doesn’t want Big Ten ‘to be like the SEC in any way, shape or form’”
  1. jameslee23 says: Feb 2, 2012 2:35 PM

    Bielema is such a douche. Whisky goes to two Rose bowls in a row, and he brings in a top 70 class, then crys about urban meyer. Go out and recruit guy!
    This is all from a guy who drops 80 on IU and 70 on Northwestern. What a clown.

  2. stuartscottsgooglyeye says: Feb 2, 2012 2:39 PM

    Always Be Closing.

  3. goblue714 says: Feb 2, 2012 2:39 PM

    Well what did big ten coaches expect when meyer was hired? Coaches in the big ten just need to adapt. If they don’t they’ll get left behind.

  4. BrownsTown says: Feb 2, 2012 2:41 PM

    soreloser.com gave Wisconsin a top 3 class this year.

    Waaahh…what a crybaby (to clarify, I’m not talking about when left the field crying at the Shoe this past year). You don’t hear OSU crying that the sweats-while-he-eats head coach of That School Up North took an OSU verbal and tried to take more until OSU got their coaching situation stabilized (like turning on the lights and the roaches scatter).

    Stay out of Ohio and Meyer won’t steal your recruits. Find some Wisconsin kids to impress with the promise of running up the score on cupcakes.

  5. gr8whte says: Feb 2, 2012 2:44 PM

    Urban doesnt need to recruit these guys, he lets his rings do that.

  6. rolltide510 says: Feb 2, 2012 3:12 PM

    Seems like everybody won here. Ohio State got the top recruits, and every other B1G school got to feel morally superior because they “do things the right way”, which is the time honored B1G tradition of rationalizing why they never win anything of note.

  7. fflsean says: Feb 2, 2012 3:15 PM

    If we’ve learned one thing about from OSU and their fans over the last few years, they can find a way to justify any behavior.

  8. mrslay1 says: Feb 2, 2012 3:26 PM

    They have nothing to justify. The rules of this game are put in place and administered by the NCAA. Sorry B1G members, you don’t make the rules and are nothing but cry babies trying to say your way is right. Take it to the NCAA rules committee and see what happens:-)

  9. macbull says: Feb 2, 2012 3:50 PM

    Just guessing here, but I doubt the Big Ten schools complaining had a problem taking advantage of the Tressel situation in going after some of these kids who flipped back to tOSU.

    Urban Meyer didn’t get a chance to recruit these kids and if they flipped that easily, chances are they were not comfortable going out of state in the first place.

    Hey, it’s not like Meyer sent a kid out of state and put him up in a motel for the weekend, just to keep him from talking to other colleges that might want to talk to a recruit, the last weekend of the recruiting season…i.e…Alabama, Saban, Calloway, 2011.

  10. goblue714 says: Feb 2, 2012 4:12 PM

    We all know saban is the sleaziest recruiter in college football. Calipari is the sleaziest college basketball coach. Obviously that’s what it takes to win.

  11. crazycane says: Feb 2, 2012 4:12 PM

    It won’t be too long before OSU’s crime rate gets a top 3 ranking also. Kids that The Myth recruited are STILL getting arrested at UiF. Scum bags could recruit other scum bags with ease.

  12. magbill says: Feb 2, 2012 4:18 PM

    Something “Mark Dantonio would never do”???

    That’s a flat lie by Pat Narduzzi. MSU went hard after Iowa commit Jaleel Johnson last week, trying to convince him to visit East Lansing last weekend.

    Last year they told an Iowa commit that “Kirk Ferentz and his staff will be fired within a month” in an effort to flip him.

    And that’s just one school. Narduzzi is a liar.

    All the schools contact others’ commits until the LOI is in hand, it’s part of the game, so please get off your high horses and spare us the fake indignation.

  13. normtide says: Feb 2, 2012 4:25 PM

    He don’t want things to go like they do in other leagues? I guess he is talking about championships. A large part of winning starts in recruiting. Son, you ain’t seen recruiting rivalry, come to the South or west to Cali. Those kids have offers from dozens of schools, not they guys UW goes after. He will never win a title if he does not have the heart to recruit hard, plain and simple.

  14. Deb says: Feb 2, 2012 4:31 PM

    This article gave me a headache. I am so tired of watching fools scream about illegalities that aren’t illegal simply because they don’t have the backbone to accept their losses. It’s not illegal to woo recruits who’ve committed to other programs, Bieber … um Bielema.

    Aw … the Little Princes of the Big 10 have never had to fight for local recruits. And now nasty ol’ Urban has come in, rolled up his shirtsleeves, and showed them that in a multi-billion-dollar business, you might have to work up a sweat if you want to be successful. So they’re pouting and screaming “That’s not fair!!!” Bless their hearts. :roll:

  15. hovenaut says: Feb 2, 2012 4:36 PM

    Don’t see or hear Dantonio complaining, suck it up Bret. Next year, get it in writing big stick.

  16. dhnation21 says: Feb 2, 2012 4:45 PM

    College Football recruiting is a competitive, cutthroat business. I’m not sticking up for Wisconsin or Michigan State here but why would any recruit believe a thing Urban Meyer says? His health? Spending time with his family? Burned out? This guy is like Barney Stinson, he’d say anything to get a woman in the sack. Or in this case, he’d say anything to get a recruit or prevent a rival from securing one. Good luck rest of the Big 10, you’ll need it.

  17. rockiemtnhigh says: Feb 2, 2012 5:29 PM

    None of this will matter in about 2 years when Urban leaves OSU for his girlfriend, er, a TV job.

  18. 1ncbuckeye says: Feb 2, 2012 5:48 PM

    hovenaut must not be paying attention:

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120202/SPORTS0202/202020372/1004/#comments

  19. goblue714 says: Feb 2, 2012 6:11 PM

    @Hovenaut

    Yes dantonio is mad, he’s mad his best friend doesn’t coach osu anymore. dantonio and tressel conspired against Michigan every year. Now dantonio has to actually compete with ohio state and he’s mad about it.

  20. deadeye says: Feb 2, 2012 6:33 PM

    Bielema doesn’t want Big Ten ‘to be like the SEC in any way, shape or form’

    ===========================

    So I guess BIG10 teams won’t be winning any more national titles.

  21. lovinthatsomanyhateonnd says: Feb 2, 2012 6:41 PM

    well all you Urban Liar apologists need to remember his MO for flat out lying to recruits..Just ask Javon Snead, who Liar told that Tebow was being recruited as a LB not a QB..and he also did the same to Cam Newton, along with many others…Justin Trattou, Omar Hunter, and so on…So, expect to see kids leave once they find out he is full of crap…

  22. mtheparrothead says: Feb 2, 2012 6:52 PM

    Well it’s easy to land recruits when the big ten looks the other way while you’re coach is out “recruiting” and your other hhead coach is off coaching a bowl game.

  23. uscatjerseyshore says: Feb 2, 2012 6:54 PM

    The SEC isn’t much more than a semi-pro league anyway so comparing college programs that have a hallmark of sportsmanship and fair play as part of the recruiting process isn’t going to make any impact on a former coach from the SEC ranks. Lets hope that the other B1G schools and the other conferences don’t start the practice of pressuring kids to flip on commitments.

  24. lovinthatsomanyhateonnd says: Feb 2, 2012 6:56 PM

    im sure Urban lied to another recruit to get them there, amongst other things..
    Ever consider, with all the scandals involving SEC schools, that they cheat to get big name players..IE pay, gifts, etc?? Not saying they do, but its not a stretch to consider either….

  25. brewcrewfan54 says: Feb 2, 2012 6:57 PM

    Bielema comes off as whiner here which I dislike as a Wisconsin fan. As far as the Indiana game goes get over it. IU couldnt stop UW in any way shape or form. What were they supposed to do, punt on 1st down? The 2 point thing afainst Minnesota well that was being mean but Minnesota defended it so why complain? Urban knows a thing or 2 about unnecessary 2point conversions also. Meyer is a good coach no doubt but he doesn’t exactly do it with integrity.

  26. kiopta1 says: Feb 2, 2012 6:57 PM

    On a side note I thought is was nice of Meyer to mention decker on Espn then look at the camera with a $@&t eating grin.

  27. iplaybad says: Feb 2, 2012 7:13 PM

    So, let me get this straight… Meyer violated a gentleman’s rule to which he never agreed and that’s somehow illegal?!

    Kids are impressed by championships. Coach Meyer rolled into Gainesville and won two of them in a short period of time. He took his talents to Columbus for tOSU’s gain. Kids in the Mid will notice — even ones who gave a VERBAL to another school.

    Stop the baby crying! There’s no crying in football.

  28. mrslay1 says: Feb 2, 2012 7:15 PM

    uscats… lets continue to hope that someday all babies grow up and learn to live in the real world. Not the one with a multi colored sky.

  29. cbass59 says: Feb 2, 2012 7:18 PM

    It takes a big man to cry. And it takes an even bigger man to laugh at that man crying.

    -Jack Handy

  30. lonewolf330 says: Feb 2, 2012 7:36 PM

    thats just the way it is man when you a coach you take advantage of a younsters indecision cuz they’re and flip or stuff on a daily basis it aint right but thats the way it is i can’t stand ohio state or urban meyer but it aint illegal cuz it is’nt a written rule

  31. cbass59 says: Feb 2, 2012 7:40 PM

    Will a Wisc fan please remind me what Bielema has tattoo’d on his calf?

  32. olskool711 says: Feb 2, 2012 7:58 PM

    Big Ten

    Your commissioner calls the NCAA and has them change a rule to allow 5 suspended players to play in a bcs game they had no business being in.

    Your commissioner is almost single handedly the reason why college football has been totally hijacked by a cartel of stripbar seeking, fat bald bandits.

    Your commissioner prevents great, deserving teams from playing in the Sugar Bowl so he can get an undeserving, bogus michigan team in, and then makes sure they don’t play any of the teams that would have come in and kicked their ass.

    Your top schools have presidents who consistently make statements more harebrained than the drunken crazy uncle living in the shed.

    Ohio State, Sandusky, … the beat goes on.

    Big Ten guy should keep his mouth shut and thank God for a system so corrupt that people are forced to not dismiss them as being totally irrelevant.

    Don’t draw attention to yourself. Just take the money that is given to you and keep feeding your fans the overrated crap that you label football.

  33. broncosfan29 says: Feb 2, 2012 7:59 PM

    i laugh at these ridiculous comments people make about “stay out of ohio”. just because you live in ohio doesnt make u an ohio st fan. i live in ohio and personally i think osu blows

  34. uncz1978 says: Feb 2, 2012 8:03 PM

    Plain and simple he is a jerk and always will be one.

  35. magbill says: Feb 2, 2012 8:06 PM

    “Don’t see or hear Dantonio complaining”

    Guess you missed this: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120202/SPORTS0202/202020372/1004/

    (Mark Dantonio says recruiting committed players ‘unethical’)

  36. jeremyb91 says: Feb 2, 2012 8:15 PM

    I’ve always been under the impression that when a new coach comes in, all bets are off recruiting. Of course Urban Meyer is going to ask a recruit if they are interested in Ohio State, especially the 4 and 5 star players who would have been interested in Ohio State with a different coach than their interim-head coach.

  37. imaduffer says: Feb 2, 2012 8:17 PM

    This recruiting thing kind of reminds me when I was young where we would go down to the stockyards and watch them bid on cattle and pigs. And you know when you pay for Prime, you get Prime.

  38. effjohntaylornorelation says: Feb 2, 2012 8:21 PM

    Huff and puff, Bielema! tOSU has and will continue to own Ohio recruits. You had your chance to steal a good one this year, with all the turmoil at tOSU, and YOU couldn’t close the deal! You swung snd missed! What was it you said, “Deal with it!”

  39. effjohntaylornorelation says: Feb 2, 2012 8:24 PM

    I am sorry Bo Ryan, another winy Wiscy coach said that. Seemsmto be a common theme up there.

  40. bradnw12 says: Feb 2, 2012 8:29 PM

    I’m with effjohntaylornorelation, Belima should shut up and deal with it, he shouldve done a better job of closing the deal on him.

  41. brewcrewfan54 says: Feb 2, 2012 8:46 PM

    Its a shame Joe Paterno’s reputation and life came to an end because I’d like to know what Urban would have said if it was JoePa on the other end of the line instead of Bret Bielema.

  42. dkhhuey says: Feb 2, 2012 8:48 PM

    Huh – I’m guessing those Ohio State verbally committed recruits just happened to have second thoughts once the Tatgate scandal and Tressel firing took place! Bret – you’re a whiny little child hypocrite. If you, MSU, and Ann Arbor Community College actually did live on the high road as you profess – your ‘commits’ wouldn’t have included formerly committed Buckeyes! Had the kid been totally committed to your program, then they would now be officially signed, eh! Can’t wait to watch Urban destroy Baby Bret on the field this year and watch him refuse to shake hands like a little bitty child. I thought you were a big bad tough boy but apparently you’re just a tall, fat baby boy

  43. hovenaut says: Feb 2, 2012 9:00 PM

    @1ncbuckeye

    Pay attention to this.

    Guess since this kid wasn’t on Tress’ radar in 2009, nor a high profile recruit, Dantonio saw his pursuit as ethical.

    http://michiganstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=959447

    Until the LOI is signed, sent and received, they’re fair game.

  44. brewcrewfan54 says: Feb 2, 2012 9:02 PM

    Like it or not Bielema is the 2nd longest tenured coach in the Big Ten now after Kirk Ferentz. If the Big Ten had these agreements in place he is a person who can say something. Meyer can obviously choose to ignore them if there are no rules being broken. But tenured coaches publicly acknowledging the rules have changed isnt a big deal either.

  45. cbass59 says: Feb 2, 2012 9:16 PM

    That “gentlemen’s agreement” only benefits schools like MSU and Wisc. The MSU assistant says the “gloves are coming off”?? Really. Name one recruit who decommitted from OSU just because (Kalis left b/c Tressel got canned). It’s *never*happened. And it’s not happening to MSU and Wisc. Not that those programs aren’t good, but they are not stealing OSU commits.

    Tressel only made that agreement with Dantonio b/c he was a former assistant. Beilema is admitting he or Wisc can’t recruit the top guys and needs help from his competitors. As Urban said, if he asks if they’re interested and they say no, he moves on. Dodson visited MSU, USC and OSU after committing to Wisc. So Urban is the bad guy? Dodson always wanted OSU, Urban brought him back.

  46. barnesaintnoble says: Feb 2, 2012 9:23 PM

    Maybe if Michigan State or Wisconsin wouldn’t choke in big games (Rose Bowl 2x) or inexplicably get blown out (2011 Nebraska, Notre Dame) it wouldn’t be so easy to get them to flip. Take the next step, and problem solved.

    Michigan State and Wisconsin are easily better academically (for undergraduate degrees, at least) than Ohio State and most players would probably earn more & earlier playing time at MSU or UW than they would at OSU. This is just a short term thing with kids being impressed with the high expectations that are set for Urban Meyer. Once he starts losing, everything will be fine.

    It’s different in Columbus, Urban. The rednecks are more…well…rednecked.

  47. Deb says: Feb 2, 2012 9:24 PM

    Omigosh … the earth has flipped on its axis. I just gave a thumbs-up to olskool711 :shock:

  48. Deb says: Feb 2, 2012 9:35 PM

    @lovinthatsomanyhateonnd …

    Can’t stand Urban Meyer, but recruiting is part of the job and it’s no different than being an aggressive marketer. You’ve got to pound the pavement, hawk your product, and convince the customers why they should switch from Pepsi to Coke. Urban’s willing to do that. Sounds like the other Big 10 coaches just want to install a soft drink machine on the corner, pee on their territory, and sit back with their feet up while the customers drop in their quarters.

  49. Deb says: Feb 2, 2012 9:37 PM

    @uscatjerseyshore …

    You’re a USC fan talking about the SEC running a semi-pro league? Are you on a day pass from a home for the dangerously delusional?

  50. centexhorn says: Feb 2, 2012 10:12 PM

    “an unwritten agreement among Big Ten coaches in which, once a prospect commits to a program in the conference, other coaches decline to actively recruit the player”

    Oh my god, what pansies! This is college football, not playtime in the sandbox! You’re trying to win championships, not make friends with your competitors. What’s next? Crying foul because the other team scores on you? “Oh my god, that’s so mean. I’m not going to be his friend anymore!”

    The Big Ten is a league of wimps and whiners. They’re not interesting in playing competitive football. They just want to hang on to their jobs and do enough to keep the fan bases happy. Urban Meyer wants to kick your ass. That’s what a football coach is supposed to be. It’s not his job to make sure you don’t get fired. He’s not the coach of your team, you are.

    Nepotism has run rampant in the Big Ten for way too long. It’s disgusting. I’m glad Urban Meyer is bringing some balls back into the conference.

    So long as he isn’t giving players money or drugs or girls, I’m okay with his tough recruiting strategy.

    These coaches are just annoyed with having to actually do some work. Lazy bastards.

  51. ecwhitt77 says: Feb 2, 2012 10:12 PM

    I’d rather have players that want to be at MSU anyway. The fact is the best players at state have been unheralded out of high school anyway. There is something to be said for someone wanting to wear the uniform because of the uniform.

  52. tk1966 says: Feb 2, 2012 10:12 PM

    I think that if a school is allowed to poach a student that made a verbal commitment, the “victimized” school should be allowed to continue contact after the student signs, and beyond.

    “hey there son, remember me? Its coach Smith. Yes, you remember. You committed to our school and then jumped ship for a better deal. How’s that working out for you? Whats that? Your school has been busted for recruiting violations? No Bowl games, huh? And no TV appearances? Damn, must suck to be you right about now, huh? Thats a shame. Well, sounds like you’ve got some free time on your hands on New Years day. Be sure that you and your coach watch for our school, you remember, the one you jilted, in the Orange Bowl. Bye now”

  53. jason1214 says: Feb 2, 2012 10:23 PM

    @centexhorn

    You said it, these lazy coaches don’t want to do work.
    The great coaches grind, and grind and grind.
    Memo to Big 10:

    Meyer is going to outwork all of you if you don’t put in the effort.
    Same thing happened after Saban’s first class at Bama, all the “lazy” coaches cried about how often Saban was out recruiting so the conference limited the # of on campus vists, so those “lazy” coaches wouldn’t have to work as hard.

    This business about not calling VERBAL commits of other schools is horse-bleep. It happens all the time OUTSIDE of places like the Big 10.

  54. ecwhitt77 says: Feb 2, 2012 10:25 PM

    @jason1214 Isn’t that the same coach that quit on his team twice because of exhaustion?

  55. jason1214 says: Feb 2, 2012 10:32 PM

    @brewcrew

    Give me a break? Meyer has no “integrity”? why cause he is willing to outwork his fellow coaches?
    Newsflash: Meyer is the 2nd best coach in the country behind Saban, and funny everyone hates Saban too.

    As I said before great coaches grind, grind, grind…..you can call it slimy, shady, unethical all you want.

  56. jason1214 says: Feb 2, 2012 10:37 PM

    @ecwhitt77

    Yeah and if you had a clue, you’d realize “exhaustion” is the result of working or doing any activity too excess.

    Trust me, Meyer is going to eat the Big 10 alive.
    And no I’m not an OSU fan……..

  57. jason1214 says: Feb 2, 2012 10:41 PM

    Wow, too many people on here are delusional

    yup go ahead and think schools A, B, C, D, E, F are not recruiting kids committed to school G………….good grief.

  58. mrslay1 says: Feb 2, 2012 10:52 PM

    ecwhitt77… couldn’t have said it better. The lazy ass coaches wonder whats going on. They call it luck or cheating. Well I was taught a long time ago luck is spelled WORK. Of coarse the self proclaimed “educated” yankee lazy buts will just say I can’t spell. Of coarse they say this while filing their one page 1040 EZ tax forms:-) Dummy me, I have accountants working every day to keep my books for quarterly tax days. I guess I’m just uneducated.

  59. ddjesus says: Feb 2, 2012 11:26 PM

    Why would you mention the Indiana game? They couldn’t stop Wisconsin’s 4th stringers… It’s not Bielema’s fault Indiana couldn’t stop a bunch of walk-ons and one stars.

  60. uschawk says: Feb 2, 2012 11:30 PM

    Out here in the PAC schools flip other recruits all the time. It’s part of recruiting. The weird thing to me is that these coaches even had a “gentlemen’s agreement” to begin with. Looks like things are going to change with a new sheriff in town. Urban will keep these coaches on their toes.

  61. brewcrewfan54 says: Feb 2, 2012 11:30 PM

    Jason, the integrity thing was more about how his teams at Florida resembled a prison yard. Not to mention he was talkingwith Penn St about their coaching job back in the summer while Paterno was still the sitting coach and before the scandal broke. Not to mention he ledt Florida to spend time with family and get healthy yet he kept a pretty similar travel schedule while working for ESPN and now not even a year later he takes another job. Yeah he’s a real peach.

  62. mrslay1 says: Feb 3, 2012 12:02 AM

    Florida looks like a prison yard. I think that’s Penn state. Lets not forget the greatest example of a college to pro football player in my life time named Tim Tewbow, one of his prisoners?

  63. lasseter1113 says: Feb 3, 2012 12:06 AM

    College football, where if you can’t beat em’ talk sh*t about em’…..

  64. metalhead65 says: Feb 3, 2012 12:09 AM

    are we suppose to feel sorry for mr. run up the score? where are his moral standards when his teams are pounding the crap out of the sisters of the poor in the big 10? you say you can’t help it but how about putting your second and 3rd strings in to start the second half instead of waiting til the final minutes of the game? could not happen to a more deserving guy and can’t wait til those recruits and myer are running the score up on the badgers. I am not even a buckeye fan but hate that holier than thou smug jerk whining about anything.

  65. frug says: Feb 3, 2012 12:24 AM

    The rumor (RUMOR!!!) is that Bielema’s problem isn’t that Meyer violated any unwritten rules by snatching away a recruit, it’s that Meyer contacted at least one recruit during the “dead”period. If true, that would be a violation of the rules and Bielema would have a legitimate beef with Meyer’s behavior.

    (Again this is just a rumor)

  66. ecwhitt77 says: Feb 3, 2012 4:13 AM

    @jason1214 I’m not sure exactly how you misunderstood the point of my post which was not an attack on you. My point was if he is such a great and hard working guy, how is he going to essentially quit on his kids twice? IN order to clearify my point, I’ll give further information. I am aware of what exhaustion is. If he truly was afflicted with it (twice), he would not thrust himself into what caused it again. The reality probably falls closer to his realizing his team was falling apart and was about to have a bad year, and he didn’t want to do the work to rebuild it.

  67. ecwhitt77 says: Feb 3, 2012 4:13 AM

    @jason1214 I’m not sure exactly how you misunderstood the point of my post which was not an attack on you. My point was if he is such a great and hard working guy, how is he going to essentially quit on his kids twice? IN order to clarify my point, I’ll give further information. I am aware of what exhaustion is. If he truly was afflicted with it (twice), he would not thrust himself into what caused it again. The reality probably falls closer to his realizing his team was falling apart and was about to have a bad year, and he didn’t want to do the work to rebuild it.

  68. jdesan says: Feb 3, 2012 5:12 AM

    What I would love to see, but will never happen, is that they can only recruit players from their own state ( players could still choose another school on their own though)

    Then, Wisconsin, Michigan et al would really be Wisconsin etc.

    Without Ohio guys these schools wouldn’t be able to compete. I say, stay in state and let’s see what happens. And yes, I agree that the Wisconsin Coach should check himself after trying to embarass teams by running up the score!

  69. jdesan says: Feb 3, 2012 5:15 AM

    to broncosfan29

    What a dick you are…….. A Broncos fan? Please.

    Get the F**k out of Ohio then.

  70. goblue714 says: Feb 3, 2012 7:12 AM

    @jdsean

    Wow excuse someone for having a different opinion and not liking the home state, I didn’t know that was a crime. Bronco is more than welcome in the great state of Michigan where your free to be a wolve or a spartan. You do know osu offers scholarships to kids in Michigan right? Most of our kids stay in state though.

  71. mrslay1 says: Feb 3, 2012 8:34 AM

    That has be the dumbest thing I’ve heard yet. Only recruit your own state. I guess then Texas who puts kids on more rosters in the country than several states put together would just leave to poor kids who have no help to work at Mcdonalds.? Or I guess States like Idaho or Montana can’t play football anymore since they don’t have enough players? COME ON MAN
    The system we have gets kids a chance to play at the next level that otherwise would never get to, and hense a chance at a education.

  72. dkhhuey says: Feb 3, 2012 9:23 AM

    @frug – I find that quite funny about the ‘rumor’! Since Urban has done nothing but talk about the ‘dead period’ in most of his press conferences when questions come up about how he recruited such a great class in 2 months, he knows exactly when it started and what the rules are! He has absolutely said he has talked to a recruit’s brother during that time which is absolutely allowed. He cited the rule several times. Hell, he even has the compliance guy sitting at his press conferences because when one reporter asked a question, before Urban answered, he looked off camera and asked if he was allowed to talk about that particular recruit. So I highly doubt that any such violation occurred, especially given the NCAA probation the school is serving out.

  73. florida727 says: Feb 3, 2012 10:08 AM

    Bielema doesn’t want Big Ten ‘to be like the SEC in any way, shape or form’
    ———————————————
    Except for the SIX CONSECUTIVE National Championships, right Coach?

  74. mrslay1 says: Feb 3, 2012 10:12 AM

    John Taylor: Man I hope they pay you well for this artical and the one about les Miles. I have never seen so many people jump on a subject like these two:-) You sure did your job on these…Good work!

  75. thraiderskin says: Feb 3, 2012 10:22 AM

    comment’s like this and outcomes to the seasons like he has had is why Bielema should have never gotten that extention. UW-Madison made a horrible mistake.

  76. kfrazee says: Feb 3, 2012 10:23 AM

    So coaches like Dantonio can leave one school (Cincinnati) and take another job like MSU and everything is fine. What about the recruits and players who were told he’d be their coach before he “flipped” his commitment to UC and went to MSU? Coaches can change their mind but the players can’t? Bielema and Dantonio just need to focus on their own teams. Coach Meyer isn’t going to change his ways because these two clowns are crying.

  77. John Taylor says: Feb 3, 2012 10:25 AM

    @mrslay1: we do understand our audience very, very well. ;-)

  78. dannygjay says: Feb 3, 2012 11:16 AM

    This is ridiculous. Of course he is going to contact recruits he hasn’t had the chance to talk with. He would be completely negligent if he didn’t. If he comes in and teams get worse every year, he’s not going to keep his job. What a joke

  79. bozosforall says: Feb 3, 2012 11:41 AM

    uscatjerseyshore says:
    Feb 2, 2012 6:54 PM
    The SEC isn’t much more than a semi-pro league anyway so comparing college programs that have a hallmark of sportsmanship and fair play as part of the recruiting process isn’t going to make any impact on a former coach from the SEC ranks. Lets hope that the other B1G schools and the other conferences don’t start the practice of pressuring kids to flip on commitments.

    __
    The words of a loser.

  80. general74 says: Feb 3, 2012 11:51 AM

    I find it funny that all of this is coming from a coach who stole NC State starting qb to lead his team to the Big Ten Championship this year. The guy didn’t really want to be at NC State so he left just like the guys who dropped their verbal and went to Ohio State. How it is really any different.

  81. olskool711 says: Feb 3, 2012 1:17 PM

    JT:
    “@mrslay1: we do understand our audience very, very well.”

    I don’t know. I would have thought the evidence of Craig James calling down from the ESPN booth while broadcasting Texas Tech games and telling the Tech coaches to “play his son” (3-4 times) would have merited a post.

    Just saying….

  82. mrslay1 says: Feb 3, 2012 2:40 PM

    You are so right olskool…But I’m sure the James family bought that off like their trying to by a election. But if it were a post I bet we would still be writing on it:-)

  83. Deb says: Feb 3, 2012 5:00 PM

    Idiots. Yeah, NBC was paid off to protect ESPN. You guys are geniuses :roll:

    Craig James and ESPN were slammed all over CFT. Guess you guys were having electric shock therapy that day.

  84. olskool711 says: Feb 3, 2012 7:19 PM

    Don’t really know what you are talking about there princess, do ya?

    You know, there is cream that you can rub into your arm that will help with this.

  85. kupski says: Feb 4, 2012 12:13 PM

    Screw Craig James that mental midget redneck bigot. Wonder where his “Daddy’s Boy” is now that he flagged out in football? E.S.P.N. consultant or analyst? wouldn’t be surprised.

    Urban Meyer is no pussy and he IS going to roll the Big Ten, and that conference had better get used to being with a TRUE competitive coach because this guy wont back down to anyone, nor should he. The Big Ten has has this back slapping Baptist church picnic of good ole boys mentality and makes it so boring, Meyer will push them over the cliff and be intense.

    Fact is, the guy is Ohio Born and raised and he is an Epitome of a recruiter and coach. People can hate on the guy all they want but that wont stop the man, hes is focused.

    FU to Michigan, Wisc, N.D., Penn St and all others. I hope that Urban takes away your Ohio Gravy Recruit Train, its only a matter of time “Boys”. Suck it up and deal with reality, the good ole days are now gone.

  86. goblue714 says: Feb 4, 2012 12:29 PM

    Ohio + redneck= buckeye fan

  87. Deb says: Feb 4, 2012 12:33 PM

    Uh, yeah, olskool711, “princess” knows what she’s talking about–as usual. And you know where you can shove your cream.

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/26/espns-james-has-vested-interest-in-todays-broadcast/

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/28/son-of-espn-analyst-behind-leach-suspension/

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/28/james-confirms-he-was-source-of-leach-complaint/

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/30/whack-a-james-game-begins-in-earnest/

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/30/report-leach-fired/

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/24/mike-leach-files-label-slander-suit-against-espn-pr-firm/

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/12/mike-leach-comes-out-swinging-his-book-sword/

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/leachs-book-nets-writer-an-espn-suspension/

    There are many more, but since you weren’t literate enough to read these, no reason to keep posting links you’ll never check. And just so there’s no confusion about John Taylor’s editorial slant …

    “While Griese’s on-air performance may have slipped in recent years, he remains one of the best college football analysts of all-time and will be missed in the booth. Especially whenever Craig James litters a TV booth.

    We have yet to see the entire lawsuit, but there’s a part of us that is hopeful it contains a passage on a permanent injunction “enjoining Defendants from putting Craig James on my television screen during the broadcasting of a college football game or any show related to college football. Ever.”

    Like I said … no one at ESPN was paying off Taylor to play nice with Craig James.

    Idiots.

  88. mrslay1 says: Feb 4, 2012 12:38 PM

    Michigan + douchebag= michigan fan

  89. kupski says: Feb 4, 2012 12:43 PM

    make your comments all you want goblue714, fact is you know the glory days of ole Bo are LONG LONG gone. That team from up north won this season against a paltry organized O.S.U. team that lost their coach. Urban will roll Meatchicken and you know and its a bitch to swallow now isn’t it. H.A.D.G. :)

  90. ecwhitt77 says: Feb 4, 2012 2:39 PM

    @general74 The Russell Wilson situation was different in two fundamental ways. The first is that the NC State staff basically told him they didn’t want him (kind of a Brett Favre thing where they were tired of him waffling between baseball and football instead of to play or retire). The second is that he left the school before other schools started recruiting him. With that said, as I mentioned earlier, if you want to play somewhere else go somewhere else. I’d rather have people that want to wear the uniform.

  91. general74 says: Feb 5, 2012 1:54 PM

    Whats the difference between Wilson leaving his school and the recruits actually never being at your school. Until their name is on the dotted line they are free game. Deep down they wanted to be Buckeyes or they wouldn’t have changed their mind. You say it was ok for Wisconsin to go out and get Wilson who was no longer signed with NC State but it wasn’t ok for Ohio State to go after the recruits that were never signed at all with Wisconsin or any other school. It can’t be ok in one respect and not in the other its the same thing Wisconsin took Wilson from NC State because he didn’t want to be there anymore and Ohio State took the recruits because they didn’t really want to be at those other schools either.

  92. ecwhitt77 says: Feb 5, 2012 2:29 PM

    @general74 The difference is the coaches at NC State didn’t want him anymore.

  93. olskool711 says: Feb 6, 2012 12:47 PM

    Like I said.

    Don’t really know what it is you are wailing/ranting about do you?

    Taylor knows what my post was referring to.

    I’d ask you to research it but I don’t want to deter you away from time you could be spending learning from the Rosie O’Donnell show.

    In the words of Darth Vader, “deal with your anger”

  94. Bob Messenger says: Feb 7, 2012 4:44 PM

    barnesaintnoble says: Feb 2, 2012 9:23 PM

    Maybe if Michigan State or Wisconsin wouldn’t choke in big games (Rose Bowl 2x) or inexplicably get blown out (2011 Nebraska, Notre Dame) it wouldn’t be so easy to get them to flip. Take the next step, and problem solved.

    —————————–

    Uh, let’s see now, how has tOSU done in this BCS championship games? Oops, guess we shouldn’t go there. tOSU is just the best of a bunch of mediocre football teams in B1G. SEC eats B!G for lunch in games that matter. F Meyer, he’s happy he won’t have to play caliber of teams in SEC. He’s now in a lower league, should do okay there

  95. jdesan says: Feb 7, 2012 5:21 PM

    OK, barnesaintnoble.. I have to admit that the Big 10 hasn’t done well against The SEC.

    But every bowl game they play against the SEC is essentially a Home game for them! I know weather is a factor etc but I wonder how they would do if they had to play at Michigan, Wisconsin or OSU. And don’t say it doesn’t matter..just ask any Coach. It’s why most teams have a better home record than on the road.

    Meyer will be seeing you guys in a couple years. We’ll see how it goes………

  96. mrslay1 says: Feb 7, 2012 6:23 PM

    Sadly for Meyer, he will be meeting the SEC with a little b1g team, and of coarse another loss:-)

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