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Les Miles takes the low road, blasts Gunner Kiel

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What’s the old saying, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned?  Apparently, hell’s never met Les Miles.

For those unfamiliar, Indiana high school quarterback Gunner Kiel committed to LSU in late December — after he had committed to then decommitted from the Indiana Hoosiers, mind you — before flipping his verbal Bayou commitment into early enrollment at Notre Dame.

Despite bringing in a big-time recruit — literally — at the position, the fact that Miles lost out on one of the top quarterback recruits in the Class of 2012 apparently displeased the Tigers head coach, as evidenced by the video below.  You can fast-forward to about the 1:36 mark if you’re so inclined:

Really coach?  Saying an 18-year-old kid doesn’t have the chest — i.e. a region of the body a couple of feet further south — or the ability to lead a program because he had the temerity to ditch your football team for another?

And people wonder why some fans of college football programs are the way they are; look at how the men they idolize and worship act when they don’t get what they want on the recruiting front.

I have a ton of respect for Coach Miles but that was beyond a classless and tasteless move.  Get over yourself and be a better man than a sizable portion of the fans that hang on your profession’s every word, coach.

(Tip O’ the Video Cap: LSU Daily Reveille)

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142 Responses to “Les Miles takes the low road, blasts Gunner Kiel”
  1. woebegong says: Feb 2, 2012 3:27 PM

    Gosh Les, why don’t you tell it like it is. That chest wouldn’t have been a problem if he had stayed with LSU, I bet. It is ashamed when coaches act like that. LSU wouldn’t have even saw him if not for the fact that he backed out of his first commitment. I don’t think he really represented the SEC or his school very proudly on that video.

  2. timh1955 says: Feb 2, 2012 3:29 PM

    Les Miles can’t just admit that Kiel and other recruits jumped ship because they saw how poorly coached LSU was in the NCG. They were dominated the entire game and now it’s showing in the recruiting as LSU had a very subpar 2012 class of recruits.

  3. bangitfootball says: Feb 2, 2012 3:33 PM

    Hey Les, where was YOUR chest when you were responsible for leading the Tigers to the worst coached championship game in history and one of the most pathetic displays of a head coach burying his head in the sand and choking while the bullets were flying above ( from one side anyway)?

  4. djkeitse22 says: Feb 2, 2012 3:37 PM

    We don’t idolize Les Miles, down here!…. he should have put Lee in the game!

  5. pdmjr says: Feb 2, 2012 3:39 PM

    Well now we know why the kid wouldn’t come, would you play for this asshole?

    I wonder how many kids he got that said they were going somewhere else?

    They’re 18 years old, with pimples.

  6. guinsrule says: Feb 2, 2012 3:40 PM

    Just more proof that college coaches don’t give a sh#t about these kids once they’re no longer of use to them.

  7. deadeye says: Feb 2, 2012 3:46 PM

    It’s all downhill for Les at this point. He can’t keep up with Saban, and I suspect some other SEC programs will be catching LSU not too far down the road.

  8. trojan33sc says: Feb 2, 2012 3:51 PM

    Hell, speaking of Saban he built the house that Les is in Now !! He should have taken the Michigan job and left the SEC with his punkarse. Kiel’s father should give Les a call and Handle this !

  9. corvusrex96 says: Feb 2, 2012 3:57 PM

    Until the commitment letter is signed , on national signing day, he hasn’t done anything wrong, if fact he really hasn’t de-commited.

    After student athletes get the right to change schools without giving up a year of eligilbilty I see no problem with someone changing their mind as often as they want to before they are essentually stuck with whichever school they first sign with.

    Funny how coaches don’t have to sit out a year after they change schools???

  10. pacific123ocean says: Feb 2, 2012 3:57 PM

    If he made that statement to a large group of people, I can only imagine what he said in private.

  11. Deb says: Feb 2, 2012 4:00 PM

    How quickly things change. JT, two weeks before the title game, when some LSU fans were posting daily that Les Miles was football’s greatest coach, a man of unquestioned Christian principles and family values (gee, you’d think he was running for president), you’d have gotten death threats for these comments. Now … no one cares. Oh, the irony.

    The most entertaining part of these comments was the way Les positioned his hands when talking about the young man’s … um … “chest.” Freudian gesture?

  12. cdolan13 says: Feb 2, 2012 4:05 PM

    So Les, you actually graduate 76% of your football athletes?
    Gosh! That’s a big number! How can you grasp the fact that you give your athletes free room, board and an education, along with all that publicity; and you are actually proud that only 76 percent graduate? Maybe, to put it into perspective you should have announced Vanderbilt’s graduation rate: 94% while you were throwing a (probably) nice young (emphasis on the word young) man under your National Championship Runner Up bus!
    Wow! You ARE doing a good job, aren’t you?

  13. goblue714 says: Feb 2, 2012 4:18 PM

    Les should have left for Michigan last year, no appreciation for him down there.

  14. gamustangdude says: Feb 2, 2012 4:20 PM

    Really JT,

    There’s a whole lot of stretching here to me. You got a coach that gave a 10 second rant (if that long) about a top prospect not having the “chest” to lead LSU and the kid choose ND so obviously Les was right.

    You are reading way too much into this and making this more than it actually is. I’ll take a line from you…

    And people wonder why some fans of college football programs are the way they are

    What Les said wasn’t distasteful, he didn’t bad mouth the guy in any way, he simply made a commit and from what I can tell you weren’t so happy with. Oh well, put your big boy pants on JT It’s really not that serious.
    ________________________________

    @cdolan

    I guess you didnt’ inlcude in your rant those numbers of guys that leave early for the NFL. I’m guessing that LSU puts more guys in the NFL than Vanderbilt does, just saying. Wouldn’t that effect the graduation rate? If you were a college kid trying to go to the NFL, which school would you choose Vandy or LSU? Something tells me I wouldn’t be pushing for Vandy if i was trying to get to the NFL, but there are exceptions out there. Not every kid goes to college to get a degree, FYI.

  15. rcali says: Feb 2, 2012 4:24 PM

    Easy big guy, kid is 18 years old.

  16. neovenator250 says: Feb 2, 2012 4:30 PM

    Yeah, this is an absolute chickensh*t move by Les here (this coming from a diehard LSU fan), but its not like every other college coach doesn’t do this as well. Something like this incident happens just about every year somewhere. This isn’t a problem with LSU, its a problem with the whole recruiting system.

  17. cdolan13 says: Feb 2, 2012 4:34 PM

    @ gamustangdude:

    Okay, so you are a Les Miles supporter, we all get that. You must have been one of those college ‘non-grads’, I am assuming? Since you mis-spelled ‘comment’ with ‘commit’? I guess that’s why you are defending the fact that universities like LSU are an NFL processing plant, rather than making sure that those NFL-ers are set up with successful lives after they retire at 35 and squander their millions.

    I do understand the nature of the beast; but, my point is, when was the last time you saw an LSU graduate as a successful businessman or scientist or, like Andrew Luck, an architechtural engineer? See, you can still be great and graduate.

    So, keep on supporting those who use colleges as a stepping stone to the NFL. Cheer wildly for those who universities are proud to call ‘one-time students’?

    I’ll take ‘Notre Dame Graduate’ every time.

  18. dg0122 says: Feb 2, 2012 4:35 PM

    its ok for you to flip him from IU, but when he sees you and your staff piss away the NC, and he switches, then HE isnt a leader??? oh ok

  19. thecrazyasianinseccountry says: Feb 2, 2012 4:40 PM

    OML…. Miles had one lousy game last year and lost his mind for sixty minutes and all your haters out there are ready to crucify him.
    How many of you out there throwing stones at him would like to have at 13-1 record, with the divisional and conference Championship?
    I wonder how many times Bobby Bowden and Bob Stoop fell in the big dance? Did they even come close to getting the criticism Miles is getting now?
    How long will kids remain kids? 18, 21, 30??
    They’re old enough to vote, to drive … Carry a machine gun and fight other people’s war, but not old enough to take public criticism.
    When is he a MAN???
    Go ahead and criticize me because I support… I’m a man!!! I’m over forty I’m a man! I can take it!

  20. Deb says: Feb 2, 2012 4:42 PM

    @gamustangdude …

    Kiel is a high school kid who changed his mind about where he wanted to go to college. So the head coach told a crowd of supporters this child didn’t have the guts to lead his football program. The word chest was a ephemism (although he was gesturing when he said it like he was talking about a woman’s breasts). It was an uncalled-for and silly attack on a kid by a coach who didn’t have any problem with Kiel’s “chest” when he dumped Indiana for LSU. And saying a QB doesn’t have the cojones to lead a program most certainly is bad-mouthing.

  21. dirtyharry1971 says: Feb 2, 2012 4:45 PM

    Kiel was smart enough to realize there is life after football and getting a real degree from a real college is a pretty good idea especially if football doesnt work out. Obviously coach miles isnt smart enough to understand that, what a joke

  22. mrslay1 says: Feb 2, 2012 4:45 PM

    When speaking to a house of fans of your program what should you have done. Tell everyone that the kid made a better decesion going to a 2nd rate football program. You speak to please your own crowd and sorry ND fans your not part of that. Of coarse your not part of a big boy football program anymore either. This time next year no one will even know this kids name. Of coarse LSU will have been a top 5 program again.
    Now that said this is not in defense of less miles, just what he’s being hammered for here. More than once less miles has showed NO CLASS on the field and off. In his last game of the regular season against Arkansas he clearly ran up the score. Even though the previous year Arkansas ran the clock out on the one yard line when they could have run it up. Funny how these thing always come back and bite you in your butt, and they always do.

  23. cameron poe says: Feb 2, 2012 4:48 PM

    @cdnolan,

    Where do you get these numbers? Vandy graduates 86% of their “Football” players. Come on dude you don’t have to cook the books to make Vandy look better. Vandy is clearly not a powerhouse school and has higher entrance rates along with a lower player to the NFL ratio. Hyperbole! hahahah Do you write a blog?

  24. cameron poe says: Feb 2, 2012 4:54 PM

    And one last thing cdnolan, I know plenty of very intelligent LSU grads. In fact I know an aerospace engineer from LSU. I’d say that is a much tougher degree than architectural engineering.

    And those kids that use college as a stepping stone to the NFL only do so because the system forces them to. They go to college to play football because they are trying to go professional. Only they are trying to be professional football players while some kids are trying to be professionals in other fields. People take different paths.

    And clearly you do not understand the nature of the beast.

  25. gopokes0714 says: Feb 2, 2012 4:57 PM

    I remember when he swore he was not leaving Oklahoma State. Then right before our bowl game he slithered off in the middle of the night to the swamp.

    Les Miles is just not a good guy. If I am a parent with a top recruit I would have serious concerns about my son playing for him.

  26. gopokes0714 says: Feb 2, 2012 5:00 PM

    @MrsLayNE1

    He didn’t have to bring it up at all. Focus on the positives…. you know, just carry himself with some class.

    ….well maybe you don’t know

  27. cdolan13 says: Feb 2, 2012 5:00 PM

    Sorry, Cameron; I was looking at the graduation rates for last year:

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2010-10-27-ncaa-graduation-rates-study_N.htm

    Not padding; these are facts.

    But then again, the list is for all athletes, not just football players; so, I apologize.

    Notre Dame (again) had a graduation rate of 99%!

    Go Irish!

    Better schools mean better students mean better chance at success in your complete life; not just your first 10+ years out of school.

  28. cdolan13 says: Feb 2, 2012 5:08 PM

    So, Cameron, did your aerospace engineer who graduated from LSU play football? Did he play in the NFL? If not, then you surely don’t understand my point. I was not bashing the intelligence of LSU students, just questioning their judgement.
    I was commenting on your comment on not having to graduate to make it to the NFL. My comment was to support the fact that the NFL does not guarantee lifelong employment so you should have a fall-back plan.

    A degree at a university helps tremendously.

    And, to clarify yet further, it is not just LSU. The majority of Universities make this practice commonplace.

    Sad, really.

  29. cdolan13 says: Feb 2, 2012 5:11 PM

    And, it’s cdolan – no extra ‘n’.

    I have respect enough to spell your (screen) name correctly, at least.

    Thanks.

  30. alimog70 says: Feb 2, 2012 5:28 PM

    You don’t mention the fact that tge Kiel family did not call LSU’s coaches to notify them of Gunner’s switch. You also don’t mention that Gunner took an early enrollee spot from Patrick Miller, who subsequently switched his commitment to Auburn, and then left LSU out to dry with neither player. This shows a lack of character by the kid and his family. If he wanted to switch, fine, but be a man and call LSU’s staff before doing so.

  31. cdolan13 says: Feb 2, 2012 5:34 PM

    As Deonntay Greenberry did with Notre Dame?

    It happens all the time; not saying it’s right; but, the point is that Les should be ‘more’ in this respect. He is (supposed to be) the adult.

  32. mrslay1 says: Feb 2, 2012 5:42 PM

    heyloserpokes: after the whinning you and all your class-less poke fans have done this year it’s real easy to so who don’t know. Another little 12 dancing monkey

  33. thefiesty1 says: Feb 2, 2012 5:46 PM

    Sour grapes. He didn’t meant ion the kid from Shreveport that switched his verbal commitment at the last minute to Texas. I guess he wasn’t as highly regarded as Kiel.

  34. rolltide510 says: Feb 2, 2012 5:46 PM

    You know who talks up the education their school offers on a college football message board? Fans of schools who go 8-5.

    Why don’t you go post on the comments section of the USA Today college rankings? I hear some Boston College grads have been talking some mad ish about Notre Dame over there.

  35. goblue714 says: Feb 2, 2012 5:48 PM

    I can see why these coaches get pissed off, these young ADULTS waste their time. By that I mean when they get a commitment from a QB, then the coaches will hold off recruiting other QBs. Then that kid decommits at the last second and leaves you barely any time to find a replacement. Obviously this goes for other positions as well, and it happens to every school at some point. These players have to realize a commitment is a commitment.

  36. sovereen says: Feb 2, 2012 5:49 PM

    I really don’t care for Miles, but I do understand his position. He lands the No. 1 dog, which means he won’t be able to recruit ANY other QB’s this year. Kiel pulls the plug and its too late to steal anyone. I can actually see this as a cool recruiting tool that Sabin might try. “I know you want Alabama kid, but I need you to committ to LSU, then flip the day before signing. Thats how the Tide Rolls”

  37. lonewolf330 says: Feb 2, 2012 5:53 PM

    some of these coaches act like they got female genitalia cryin over recruits,these are 17 year old KIDS i think they forget that in the mist of win at all cost world we live in

  38. cdolan13 says: Feb 2, 2012 6:00 PM

    @goblue714: I couldn’t agree with you more! I have heard talk of a possibility of having players allowed to sign their letter of intent early. I don’t think it will go through, though, since NSD is such a big event in the sports world. It’s all about the ratings, isn’t it?

    And, as a side note, I am so happy you guys got Brady Hoke instead of Class’Les’ Miles. One of my best friends is a UM man and I couldn’t be happier for him with the success from this year. Hoke would NEVER say anything bad about a young man (in public, at least).

    @rolltide510: funny. However, I don’t see Alabama pushing for any other sports championships. Notre Dame has several, on both sides of the gender. So, you just enjoy your one-sport college. I’ll continue to support my ENTIRE University.

  39. thecrazyasianinseccountry says: Feb 2, 2012 6:01 PM

    Damn I admitting this !! But that’s a good one rolltide510..

  40. thecrazyasianinseccountry says: Feb 2, 2012 6:02 PM

    That’s “I hate admitting …”

  41. cdolan13 says: Feb 2, 2012 6:06 PM

    Glad you caught your error; you must have graduated from an SEC college…The original grammatical error shows you of course attended one…

  42. gamustangdude says: Feb 2, 2012 6:33 PM

    cdolan13

    1. I misspelled a word so that automatically means I did not graduate college? College graduates don’t misspell words, they don’t make grammatical errors? Is that where you’re going? Really? I’ll tell you what, making inferences is not your strong point, stop doing it.
    My point was simple comparing LSU’s Football graduation rates to Vanderbilt’s is idiotic. LSU consistently has more athletes to enter the NFL opposed to Vandy, by a pretty significant margin. So yes, Vandy is going to have higher graduation rates for the simple fact that Vandy’s athletes, on average, are not as good as LSU’s and therefore don’t make it to the NFL. That was my point. Nothing more nothing less, but I’m sure you’ll make some illogical conclusion that’s way off base and respond.

    2. You said in a different post.

    “My comment was to support the fact that the NFL does not guarantee lifelong employment so you should have a fall-back plan.”

    One that same note, a College education doesn’t grant you lifelong employment either, especially these days. Despite what you think, I believe athletes should finish college before going to the NFL, however a lot don’t. A College degree doesn’t equal success; you need more than a college degree to sustain lifelong employment. So I get the importance of education, however for some a college degree is just another “tool,” in their “kit bag.” Last, I’m not a Les Supporter by any means. I just don’t see the harm in what he said.

    @Deb
    I just don’t believe his comment was that bad.

  43. rolltide510 says: Feb 2, 2012 6:41 PM

    Hey cdolan13, that’s really cool that your school had great rowing and lacrosse teams. But doesn’t it sort of prove my earlier point about this being a college football board, and your insistence on talking about everything but college football which reinforces the fact your school just can’t compete in that sport?

    I’ll hang up my banjo and listen.

  44. opshuns says: Feb 2, 2012 6:44 PM

    Les, there is no room for you on the Jets staff….

  45. lovinthatsomanyhateonnd says: Feb 2, 2012 6:53 PM

    @rolltide510, im sorry ND graduates 99% of its athletes for the LAST DECADE, and Alabama cant come close…maybe your student athletes should study harder, but its Alabama..football is more important. Unlike your school, ND passes on recruits, not matter the talent level, if they dont have the grades and can show they are STUDENT athletes…I emphasize STUDENT because thats what they are supposed to be…so go win your titles, and in the mean time we will continue to produce highly educated students that mostly leave school with 6 figure offers..and i dont mean a sports contract.
    As for Les, i expect more from him than a classless statement like that. I hope Gunner makes him eat those words. GO IRISH!

  46. lasseter1113 says: Feb 2, 2012 7:06 PM

    Hey rolltide510, I don’t think they realize this is CFT which stands for:

    C- College
    F- Football
    T- Talk

    Lmao………….

  47. cdolan13 says: Feb 2, 2012 7:28 PM

    Oh, you guys…too much fun on here. Exactly why I should have signed up so much earlier.

    @gamustangdude: To respond, succinctly to your points: #1: I agree that better athletes attend LSU and better ‘students’ attend Vanderbilt. Thanks for reinforcing my point.

    But, you didn’t tell me if your LSU grad friend ever played football for them? If you are trying to make me eat my words I would have expected you to say yes (too late now).

    #2: I agree with you; a college degree does not guarantee you success; but, at least the college graduate will have the managerial position at MacDonalds over the washed up (let’s call them what they are) college drop outs who have to sling the burgers all day until they can retire.

    Now, to rolltide510: ‘This is a college football board’ so everyone HAS to talk football only? (I’m dragging my knuckles on the ground so that you can relate) Support your entire University, not just one aspect of it! So, we can’t just talk? As Forrest Gump might say; ‘college is as college does’ (supply your own souther drawl when reading that). Come on! We are not talking a league like the NFL or the NBA or any professional sport. The emphasis is on the word ‘college’, that is why there is a ‘college football talk’ and an ‘Pro Football Talk’. You are just being dumb for thinking anyone would limit discussion; since you yourself have even commented on more than just football.

    Anyway, moving on; in correcting you, Notre Dame is historically highly ranked in hockey, fencing (men’s and women’s), women’s soccer and women’s basketball (to name a few). And, last time I looked, the Irish men’s basketball team just beat (then) #1 Syracuse and UConn. I did look, and I don’t see Alabama anywhere in those sports…sounds like someone needs a hug.

    I also invite you to check out the post by lovinthatsomanyhateonnd just above.

    Oh, this IS fun! You guys take this soooo seriously. This is why, even after an 8-5 season we can still laugh, because, at least we aren’t embittered for laying an unexpected egg like LSU. We get to make fun of you people who have no other life BUT COLLEGE football. Do you still proudly wear your High School jerseys when you attend their Friday night games even though the beer gut is stretching them to impossible lengths? So, go ahead and pull out your banjo and play a happy tune. Maybe gamustangdude will accompany you on the jug.

    Go Irish!

  48. uschawk says: Feb 2, 2012 7:29 PM

    It’s funny that Irish fans feel the need to come on and boast about graduation rates and how great their other sports programs are on a college football website. That must be why they haven’t been relevant in football for 25 years. Enjoy the annual beating by the Trojans Irish fans. Can’t wait to see Brian Kellys head actually explode this season.

  49. cdolan13 says: Feb 2, 2012 7:34 PM

    OH! I was waiting for USC fan to join up!

    So, do you want to boast about your graduation rate?

    Or, should I just say Reggie Bush?

    Although, seriously, I respect the hell out of Matt Barkley for coming back for his senior year. Good for him! Hopefully he’ll break the mold of the USC quarterback who can actually win in the NFL (Leinnart, Palmer, Sanchez). I am seriously rooting for him, as I do all college students. I wish him the best.

    So, dazzle me with your acumen, USC hawk (psssst; the USC mascot is a Trojan, not a hawk – just saying.)

  50. rolltide510 says: Feb 2, 2012 7:35 PM

    “so go win your titles, and in the mean time we will continue to produce highly educated students and losing seasons, but still come to football message boards to brag”

    It’s a deal.

  51. cdolan13 says: Feb 2, 2012 7:38 PM

    Oh, rolltide, also, are you giving me your phone number so you can listen to my rebuttal? Or, would you rather just read my posts?

    I am confused.

  52. cdolan13 says: Feb 2, 2012 7:44 PM

    Come on, rolltide. Give me something to feel badly about. A ‘zinger’ from an Alabama athletic supporter (yes, pun intended) doesn’t exactly cut me to the quick.

    Maybe we’ll start talking about your losing seasons in other sports? Would that make you happier? You just go ahead and crow about your little football championship and come back when you come close to a championship in another sport.

    If you even read what lasseter1113 wrote, that this has to do with colleges. And, I will brag more and more about highly educated members of society who excell in all fields of life outside of football. You can stay here and brag about your little championships which last for a year at a time. Enjoy that.

  53. rolltide510 says: Feb 2, 2012 7:44 PM

    “Now, to rolltide510: ‘This is a college football board’ so everyone HAS to talk football only?”

    I take it the “yes” answer is going to surprise you?

    Oh, and congrats on the fencing. Should I expect your next post to be about the relative quality of meals at campus dining halls? The number of books in the library, perhaps?

  54. cdolan13 says: Feb 2, 2012 7:46 PM

    Wow, Rolltide, you surprised me. You actually know what a library is?

  55. uschawk says: Feb 2, 2012 7:47 PM

    That’s funny because the QBs listed had fun beating Notre Dame. You do know that the only reason anyone in the USA knows that Notre Dame exists is because of football, correct? At least outside of Indiana and Chicago. So isn’t it embarrassing that your school is now so bad at what made the school famous to begin with? Food for thought.

    Also if you were half as clever or smart as you obviously think you are you wouldn’t spend all your time commenting on message boards about how great the fencing and womens soccer team is. LOL. You don’t see me bragging about USC water polo. It’s no wonder you’re confused.

  56. mrslay1 says: Feb 2, 2012 7:48 PM

    cdol13n. WOW your are so impressive. I guess what they call education at ND is DIARRHEA OF THE MOUTH. Now ND has another dancing monkey we can all laugh at:-)

  57. cdolan13 says: Feb 2, 2012 7:49 PM

    If we are talking football only, why is this article about Les Miles disrespecting a 17 year old boy?

    Are you saying this article doesn’t belong in a football blog because it has absolutely nothing to do with football and about how a young man was treated by an elder?

    Curiouser and curiouser…

  58. cdolan13 says: Feb 2, 2012 8:00 PM

    mrslay1: good one! Wow, that would mean something if I took this seriously. I guess my comment above about how easy it is to rile you guys up was to subtle? (at least you spelled diarrhea correctly)

    USChawk, well, if those quarterbacks (and, I use the term loosely) can crow about beating ND then I guess we ARE relevant, aren’t we?

    And, as far as Notre Dame being a regional school goes, don’t you know that we have the most followers? Have you ever heard of the ‘subway alums’? This is why we play off-site games (FedEx field this year, Yankee Stadium last year and Soldier Field next year); to accommodate those supporters. Please take time off your surfboard to research (what am I writing!) before you write.

    At least we still have our own television contract; so that schools like yours can have national coverage outside of Root Sports network. Plus, it’s not all about football; it’s about pride in your University. Again, what am I writing? Reggie Bush and Pete (the cheat) left so fast before sanctions were handed down that your athletic department now has a constantly spinning door.

    Don’t worry, Lane had recruiting violations his one year at Tennessee; they’ll come to haunt you, too…have fun with your next penalty phase.

  59. cdolan13 says: Feb 2, 2012 8:04 PM

    By the way, ‘hawk’, you guys have a water polo team?

    And, I don’t see you bragging about much…except beating Notre Dame.

    Funny.

  60. cdolan13 says: Feb 2, 2012 8:28 PM

    Well guys, this has been fun; but, I have to go now and live a life.

    See you on other postings!

    Have a great night!

  61. bozosforall says: Feb 2, 2012 8:42 PM

    cdolan13 says:
    Feb 2, 2012 8:04 PM
    By the way, ‘hawk’, you guys have a water polo team?

    And, I don’t see you bragging about much…except beating Notre Dame.

    Funny.

    __
    Sticking to COLLEGE FOOTBALL…USC won at least a share of a national title twice (2003 and 2004) since the last time that ND won one (1988). I don’t like the Trojans in the least but ‘hawk’ has you beat, cdolt13.

    Bragging about winning titles in minor sports like fencing and women’s soccer only shows that you don’t have the ‘chest’ to post with any real relevance here. Stick to the fencing and soccer boards, nancy boy. Or maybe you can troll the “Formerly Abused Altar Boy Message Board” instead. Lord knows a good many of you male ND grads are regular contributors to that one.

  62. lasseter1113 says: Feb 2, 2012 8:42 PM

    I want to get into this argument so bad I can’t stand it…. errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Ah what the hell?

    Notre Dame sucks!!! Boo-Yah, bet you didn’t see that one coming?

    “Why so serious” said the Joker…………………..

  63. bozosforall says: Feb 2, 2012 8:43 PM

    cdolan13 says:
    Feb 2, 2012 8:28 PM
    Well guys, this has been fun; but, I have to go now and live a life.

    See you on other postings!

    Have a great night!

    __
    Living in your mom’s basement while you pay for that overrated, overpriced “education” isn’t any way to “live”, son.

  64. tgaustin says: Feb 2, 2012 8:51 PM

    WOW!!! Nice grammar “rolltide510″….my friend, spit out your tobaccy when you are typing, fix your bunny ears on your TV and answer the door because Dominos pizza is knocking at it….and go figure, it’s your nephew delivering. Save your stupid, hill-billy ass comments delta bravo. Classic, just classic!! Look, do us all a favor, Mr “Football Knowledge” (yet you haven’t given us one bit of that knowledge), maneuver through your hoarder of a house, grab your Joe Willy jersey on the way to the kitchen/bathroom/magic place, get out the moon shine and drink….a lot please!! What a freaking neomaxizoomdweebe!!!

  65. bozosforall says: Feb 2, 2012 8:54 PM

    cdolan13 says:
    Feb 2, 2012 8:00 PM
    This is why we play off-site games (FedEx field this year, Yankee Stadium last year and Soldier Field next year); to accommodate those supporters.

    __
    Yeah, we all heard the chants in Yankee Stadium last year…19…88…19…88…19…88.

  66. 10of14 says: Feb 2, 2012 8:57 PM

    Dick head who will……..MARK MY WORD…be the next major program in the US rocked by a major scandal. Wanna bet?……….Didn’t think so.

  67. bozosforall says: Feb 2, 2012 9:04 PM

    10of14 says:
    Feb 2, 2012 8:57 PM
    Dick head who will……..MARK MY WORD…be the next major program in the US rocked by a major scandal. Wanna bet?……….Didn’t think so.

    __
    Nothing could ever top the scandal that struck the main sponsor of the Fighting Irish. Yeah, that would be the Catholic Church. Pedophilia State times a million.

  68. hovenaut says: Feb 2, 2012 9:14 PM

    Bitter much?

    Stay classy, Michigan man.

  69. mrslay1 says: Feb 2, 2012 9:26 PM

    Hey bozo… usc didn’t win any titles. They were given a title from the ap in 03 which means nothing, but they lost them all for cheating…REMEMBER. Means they haven’t done anything in years either, at least nothing that matters.

  70. jason1214 says: Feb 2, 2012 10:12 PM

    Hey ND fans……….
    Go away, your team is irrelevant and has been for 24 years. But go ahead and keep bragging about graduation rates, I guess by your logic 99%=8-5, while 69% (Bama’s graduation rate this year)=12-1.

    hmmm what would YOU rather have?

  71. Deb says: Feb 2, 2012 10:12 PM

    @gamustangdude …

    Oh, I just bristle a lil when people snap at our lovely host, Mr. Taylor. :) It would have been better if he’d just refrained from mentioning Kiel or had said LSU rebounded after having the rug pulled out from under them as alimog70 described. An adult coach shouldn’t get into whether a high school kid has the backbone (or “chest”) to run a program.

    @thecrazyasianinseccountry …

    You are hysterical!! I always wonder if other people get your humor :)

    You’re right that nothing about Les has changed since the championship game–that was my point. He wasn’t a saint then and he’s not now. But he’s still a good coach. People build up coaches too much when they win and tear them down too much when they lose.

  72. Deb says: Feb 2, 2012 10:20 PM

    @tgaustin …

    I’m curious: If you were talking to a black man, would you start ranting about nappy hair and watermelon? Or do you limit your bigoted stereotyping to people from the Deep South? It really doesn’t matter what race, culture, ethnicity, or region of people you choose to generalize and demean. Doing so says nothing about their class, character, or intelligence. But it says everything about how much class, character, and intelligence you lack.

  73. Deb says: Feb 2, 2012 10:35 PM

    Good night, cdolan13. Yes, I’m sure we’ll see you again. We SEC fans are quite accustomed to people like you coming onto the college football blog to brag about your polo and golf teams as well as the perceived academic superiority of your schools. Since my degree has served my needs and my career is progressing very well, the academic sniping isn’t relevant to me. I’m here cheering for a football team. And we’re celebrating our 14th National Championship and the sixth consecutive title for the SEC. But congrats to your chess team. Really.

  74. tideofunc says: Feb 2, 2012 11:09 PM

    kiel switched from lsu to nd because of the jarrett lee-jordan jefferson controversy. gunner decided he did not want to play on a team which has major chemistry problems and for a coach whose decision-making processes are obviously flawed. in all probability, those were areas of concern and uncertainty before the bcsncg that were sadly verified by lsu’s performance vs BAMA. consequently, his switch at the latest possible moment was not designed to cause harm to lsu’s recruiting but to enhance the probability of his success at the college level.

  75. marcinhouston says: Feb 2, 2012 11:09 PM

    Notre Dame is basically a I-AA program. Kiel didn’t have the chest to compete in the SEC so he went to Notre Dame where half the schedule involves beating up on soldiers who can’t practice or lift weights half as much as your team because inbetween classes they have to drill and march and do combat exercises to defend our freedom. LSU already had a QB who kicked people when they were down, but at least that QB just kicked one drunk jerk, not the student body of the entire university after a crushing loss. The fact is that Notre Dame QB’s cannot suceeed in the NFL and Kiel did not feel confident to suceeed so he went to a primadonna I-AA program where he can look good enough to scam a few scounts into a second or third round rookie salary.

  76. mrslay1 says: Feb 2, 2012 11:28 PM

    well put…All the excusses they have doesn’t make up for the pure fact he was scared to have to compete in the SEC. He must have seen some film on SEC defense. Plus the fact he would have rode the bench the next 2 years behind Zach. Of coarse he will probebly start for ND since they can’t field a decent QB. Of coarse mommy did want him close to home. Can’t wait to here what she thinks when Kelly blows up at her baby on the sideline.

  77. rcali says: Feb 3, 2012 12:07 AM

    Wow, you would think the QB got involved in a big bar fight right before the season started.

  78. metalhead65 says: Feb 3, 2012 12:21 AM

    good for miles! I am sick of hearing about well he is just a kid and can change his mind. really? it is not like they suddenly recruited him and he had to make a decision without plenty of time to think about it. what about the program at IU? you have a new coach trying turn around a bottom of the barrel program and the #1 prospect at his position says he is coming in August so the coach turns his attention to trying and get other good recruits to help him then suddenly as his senior season is ending he decides he wants to explore other options? what he did not realize IU sucked when he agreed? he lived in the state and his brother went there! he just wanted a stress free senior year. then he tells lsu he is coming then backs out and goes to dame? so being young makes it ok to screw around with the fortunes of 3 schools?low road? just telling it how it is and good for him!

  79. infrno says: Feb 3, 2012 12:22 AM

    First off, to the ND asshat that is attempting to make his pathetic school relevant, when an SEC coach is negligent to the point of costing a student his life, get back to us. Until then, piss up a rope or get your current head coach fired. Loser.

    To the point at hand, while I agree with Miles, I think he showed poor judgement in voicing those opinions in any kind of public arena. To be fair, he was addressing LSU fans that pay to attend that event, and it is pretty much an informal venue. It’s not like he was in a press conference. However, the potential costs (other coaches using that as “negative recruiting”) definitely outweigh the immediate rewards (all that cheering you heard in the audio).

    Fact is, Keil cost LSU a second top recruit due to the early enrollment issues and he didn’t even have the ‘chest’ to let anyone know ahead of time, so yeah, he’s a douche. Not because he changed his mind, but because he didn’t have the stones to at least let his mommy tell anyone he wasn’t ready to forego the teat.

    These coaches – all of them – have a finite limit of resources to use to get the recruits that they are after, and these legal adults (I get so sick of everyone referring to them as kids, given the level of responsibility myself and millions of other people had on them at that age) should at the very least man up and give someone a heads up if and when they change their mind. Again, it’s not that they shouldn’t have the ability to change their mind, but if they are going to get the bennies that come with their abilities, then they have to take responsibility for their actions.

    Finally, to the people still going on about the NC game and how that is the ‘real’ reason LSU’s class was a little down this year, please. Kiel didn’t come because his mommy didn’t want him to, that itself directly cost us another top recruit. Collins chose Bama prior to the game mostly because his girlfriend is going to Alabama, and yeah, we only got 4 of the top 10 HS players in the state. Know who else only got 4 of the top 10 players in their state? Yep, that would be Alabama.

    We recruited based on need, not based on what talent was potentially available. If the Saints had gotten a good LB last year instead of going for what they thought was the best available talent, we might be playing another game in a few days. For the reading impaired, any good coach – particularly in college where there is no free agency, should first and foremost address the current needs of the program. Besides, I think Mo Claiborne and Ty Mathieu were 2 and 3 star recruits…..

  80. infrno says: Feb 3, 2012 12:26 AM

    And Notre Dame sucks.

  81. infrno says: Feb 3, 2012 12:34 AM

    tideofunc says: Feb 2, 2012 11:09 PM

    kiel switched from lsu to nd because of the jarrett lee-jordan jefferson controversy. gunner decided he did not want to play on a team which has major chemistry problems and for a coach whose decision-making processes are obviously flawed. in all probability, those were areas of concern and uncertainty before the bcsncg that were sadly verified by lsu’s performance vs BAMA. consequently, his switch at the latest possible moment was not designed to cause harm to lsu’s recruiting but to enhance the probability of his success at the college level.
    —————————————-

    Actually, he switched because mommy wanted him to. Those ‘major’ chemistry problems only led them to the toughest undefeated regular season in NCAA history, including a win at BAMA. Yeah, we stunk up the joint in one game, but get over yourself when you can’t even win at home. Bama was clearly the better team THAT NIGHT, but when you are sooooo great, win at home or STFU. LSU without question had the better season.

    But you’re right, he’ll have much more success at Notre Dame – he’ll get to play, something he would not have done for at least a year at LSU. Remind me of this post next November when you come to Death Valley.

    God, but this idiocy is why no one outside of podunk Alabama can tolerate you toothless Gumps.

  82. jonanthans says: Feb 3, 2012 12:53 AM

    At least Les Miles had the nads to say it in public. And to a certain extent, he is right. The kid can’t make up his mind and apparently lets Momma call the shots. At least Landon Collins had the nads to step up and choose Alabama over LSU regardless of what Momma wanted. Kiel will never be a leader and I doubt he will be able to handle the intensity that Brian Kelly is going to hit him with.

  83. suprmous says: Feb 3, 2012 4:32 AM

    Tho I be a faithful follower of LSU there comes a time when a coach and fans alike should just SHUTUP and this is one of those times. Everybody’s going to have a different opinion and their say but nobody deserves to have a stroke over this. Mistakes are made daily, weekly, monthly, yearly well you get my point [maybe] but what eventually happens isn’t for us the fans to judge. Keil made his decision, Coach made his, and now we should all take chill pills and sit back and wait to see how things turn out for everybody’s upcoming season. I dare say it’s not going to be a total loss for anybody. Just saying we’ve all had our share of winning and God knows we’ll have the pleasure again. Now I’m ready for you guys to jump me.

  84. 1historian says: Feb 3, 2012 7:05 AM

    Mrslay1: I counted 7 spelling or grammatical errors in your 4:45 post.

    In 2 paragraphs

  85. 1historian says: Feb 3, 2012 7:18 AM

    2 words

    1. Jamarcus

    2. Russell

  86. floridacock says: Feb 3, 2012 8:47 AM

    Miles rant….bad ND….bad Athlete at a position that only one is normally recruited backing out at the last minute…..bad

  87. floridacock says: Feb 3, 2012 8:49 AM

    1historian says:Feb 3, 2012 7:18 AM

    2 words

    1. Jamarcus

    2. Russell

    2 more words
    1. National
    2. Championship

  88. mrslay1 says: Feb 3, 2012 8:56 AM

    Good for you! You concentrate on grammar and I’ll just state the facts about fooball.

  89. footballgenius101 says: Feb 3, 2012 10:13 AM

    Would you have reported it the same way had Kelly said the same thing about a recruit that backed out of a verbal commitment to ND to go the LSU?

    I think Miles should have left it alone, and I think the kid probably made a good decision for himself.

    But it seems to be a conflict of interest reporting it in such harsh tones considering this site has an “Inside the Irish” link. You should probably go ahead and admit at least the bent toward ND.

  90. John Taylor says: Feb 3, 2012 10:23 AM

    “You should probably go ahead and admit at least the bent toward ND.”

    You’re new to CFT, aren’t you?

  91. parkcityute says: Feb 3, 2012 10:37 AM

    footballgenius101:

    It may not be CFT’s bent, but maybe some of the posters at the time. However, maybe we can see the coaches poll and AP poll, pre-season and for the first couple of weeks having ND Irish once again in the top 20 or so only to fall out again by the 4th game of the season.

    There is definitely a historical bias toward ND to rank them highly for sentimental reasons and not for what they did the previous year. I would expect Alabama and LSU to be ranked 1 & 2, or 2 & 1 to start the 2012 season because they earned it last season, but you are correct about the sports media bias, but not so certain about CFT bias, not what I have read here over the past couple of years or so anyway.

  92. burntorangehorn says: Feb 3, 2012 10:56 AM

    I wonder if Les Miles felt the same way about Ryan Perrilloux when that top-ranked QB chose LSU at the last minute?

    He’s being a ridiculous hypocrite, as always.

  93. whoopteedo says: Feb 3, 2012 11:15 AM

    Nothing is lower than throwing a game. Miles and some low-lifes made a great deal of money betting against LSU in the BCS and his mission now is simple diversion from that act.

  94. florida727 says: Feb 3, 2012 11:35 AM

    I always get a laugh out of sports blogs where people try to tout the “academic superiority” of their school. When I graduated from a small college in Illinois, I got lucky. I had a job waiting for me at IBM and no one there cared what college I went to. After that first job, in no subsequent interview did anyone, EVER, ask about college… they ONLY wanted to know about my WORK EXPERIENCE. I’ve always believed, right or wrong, that a college degree only gets you your FIRST job. After that, you earn what you get by your proven work history.

  95. mrslay1 says: Feb 3, 2012 11:45 AM

    My gosh…this one is a all time low. Throwing the game…please!

  96. florida727 says: Feb 3, 2012 11:46 AM

    whoopteedo says:
    Feb 3, 2012 11:15 AM
    Nothing is lower than throwing a game. Miles and some low-lifes made a great deal of money betting against LSU in the BCS and his mission now is simple diversion from that act.
    ——————————————–
    And you have PROOF of this, right?

  97. woebegong says: Feb 3, 2012 11:49 AM

    Florida727,

    It all depends on the employer really. In my career choice, it was a mixture of both, and you had to have a degree to get a job in it. Your potential to learn fast and on the run was sometimes essential, as the parameters you used from day to day, could change over night in a heartbeat, I am sure, much like they do at IBM.
    The education you had to have to do the job, was limited due, to only so many schools actually having a degree program to meet those needs. I will say though, that 50% of the stuff I had to take a course in, I never used on the job. The ability to use common sense and have an open mind, worked better than anything. I had a fair amount of educated dummies work for me, although briefly, LOL.

  98. tgaustin says: Feb 3, 2012 12:29 PM

    You are clueless Deb…your hipocracy only goes so far…why don’t you read your brothers statements on here before you go off preaching to those on this site. You are border line pathetic in your attempts to prove points on this website!!!!

  99. cdolan13 says: Feb 3, 2012 12:35 PM

    Wow. You guys sure do get on bandwagons; and you jump on me for my opinions? Again, I should have done this a long time ago.

    For bozosforall who claimed I live in my Mom’s basement to pay for my ‘overpriced’ education: I thought you guys were trying to get me off of talking about anything BUT COLLEGE FOOTBALL. But, thanks for playing, there’s some lovely parting gifts on your way out.

    However, there are several of you who had great things to add and some fun zingers at me. I love it!

    So, I will address a few:

    deb: excellent points; I have read your posts for quite a while now, and find you one of the sanest posters on here. I will now enjoy posting along side of you. And, about the chess championship remark? Thanks for giving us yet another championship!

    footballgenius101: ‘Would you have reported it the same way had Kelly said the same thing about a recruit that backed out of a verbal commitment to ND to go the LSU?’

    Did you read about the #1 rated ‘shock’ of NSD? Deonntay Greenberry, the #3 ranked receiver in the nation (Scouts, Inc.) was verbally pledged to Notre Dame, even called the coaches the night before to get the letter of intent sent to him and he would sign in the morning. In the morning he signed with Houston. Did you hear Brain Kelly bash the young man? He did not. He may sound like an overpaid salesman at times (oh my GOD does he!), but at least he won’t bash a kid (unless it’s one of his signed players – on national television – NOT a highlight of his career). He clearly took a better path this time than Les Miles did.

    For all of you others who have valid points about the recruiting process; yes, it sucks at this point; but, with all the NCAA rules involving recruiting, and with the media circus that has become NSD recruits will continue to ‘commit’ then ‘decommit’ and sign with the schools that they want to to get us all talking.

    And, for those of you who are criticizing Kiel for his ‘mommy’ wanting him close to home, get over yourselves. If you had a free ride offered to you from several major Universities (who am I writing to? Like any of you would have found yourselves with athletic scholarships! Silly bunt); well, wouldn’t you feel overwhelmed to a certain degree? (well, try to put yourselves in that situation)

    These ‘boys’ (no, infrno, these are not adults: 18 is a legal adult, not 17) are thrust into a spotlight that even adults have a hard time with. How can we not expect them to waffle or change their minds, especially when Presidential candidates do it all the time.

    Now, don’t get me wrong; I am NOT defending what he did (especially since I would rather see Everett Golson get a chance to run Brian Kelly’s ‘spread’); but, the ISSUE is whether or not Les Miles was an adult about his ‘break up’ with Kiel. You have to admith that Miles certainly sounded like the dumped girlfriend (or boyfriend) lashing out just to lash out and get support from his ‘friends’ over the breakup.

    And, for all you LSU posters who are now using the phrase ‘doesn’t have the chest’? Shows you are just sheep blindly following your appointed ‘god’. Clearly shows your mentality; when Les was using his gestures as he said ‘chest’…very ‘PC’. If you want to worship that example…well, just another reason why I love living north of the Mason-Dixon line.

    And, in closing of this subject (because the valid points have become fewer and fewer) I will have to strongly agree and end with suprmous, who encapsulated this whole issue more succinctly than anyone on here when he wrote:

    Tho I be a faithful follower of LSU there comes a time when a coach and fans alike should just SHUTUP and this is one of those times. Everybody’s going to have a different opinion and their say but nobody deserves to have a stroke over this. Mistakes are made daily, weekly, monthly, yearly well you get my point [maybe] but what eventually happens isn’t for us the fans to judge. Keil made his decision, Coach made his, and now we should all take chill pills and sit back and wait to see how things turn out for everybody’s upcoming season. I dare say it’s not going to be a total loss for anybody. Just saying we’ve all had our share of winning and God knows we’ll have the pleasure again. Now I’m ready for you guys to jump me.

    Well said, sir; well said.

    Now, onto the next posting…my first foray into posting on this site has been fun, everyone, thank you.

  100. Deb says: Feb 3, 2012 1:14 PM

    @cdolan13 …

    LOL … thank you. I agree that suprmous’s post was well said, but she’s a ma’am, not a sir. :)

    @tgaustin …

    I have no idea what you’re rambling about. My brother doesn’t patronize CFT, and I’m not family to anyone else here. I’m responsible only for my own posts, not those of other Alabama fans, and you’ve never seen me post anything like that or agree with anything like that. You may enjoy accusing me of hypocrisy to make yourself feel better, but that doesn’t give the accusation any factual basis.

  101. Deb says: Feb 3, 2012 1:20 PM

    whoopteedo says:

    Nothing is lower than throwing a game. Miles and some low-lifes made a great deal of money betting against LSU in the BCS and his mission now is simple diversion from that act.

    ————————————————
    That’s an outrageous accusation, and if there were any justice, Miles’s attorneys would gain access to your info and sue. I’m sorry your nose is out of joint because you were soundly beaten by a better team on the day. But it’s a dirty thing to channel your tantrum into making a blanket, completely unfounded, slanderous accusation against a good coach. Grow up.

  102. cdolan13 says: Feb 3, 2012 1:23 PM

    Okay, one more post to right a wrong:

    I am so sorry, suprmous, for my egregious error in identifying your gender incorrectly. My most humble apologies. I promise to get better at identifying the posters on here.

    So, to re-state my feelings about your excellent post:

    Well said, Ma’am; well said.

  103. Deb says: Feb 3, 2012 1:40 PM

    infrno …

    You’re right about Miles. It wasn’t a great choice of words given the age of the kid, but he was addressing LSU boosters at a private gathering and should be able to say whatever is appropriate for the home crowd. Unfortunately, we live in a time when every word and gesture is recorded and posted online or leaked to the press. Public figures have to be aware every minute how what they say will play to the public at large. It’s not fair … but it’s the new world order.

    Wish you’d cut it with the toothless Gump stuff, though. Alabama fans get along fine with everyone here but Auburn and LSU fans–and I don’t notice you guys getting along that well with any other fan base. LSU fans need to realize that when the world ridicules Southerners, it doesn’t edit out Louisiana. Using those stereotypical insults just fuels fools like tgaustin who need to make themselves feel superior by putting down all Southerners.

  104. bozosforall says: Feb 3, 2012 1:46 PM

    @cdolt

    Don’t really CARE what you talk about here…just know that your fencing and women’s soccer title talk here doesn’t really compete with teams that win college football titles. But have fun posting on the fencing, women’s soccer and tiddlywinks boards if you want to impress someone…you definitely won’t impress anyone here with that limp-wristed crap. Thanks for playing, small fry.

  105. bozosforall says: Feb 3, 2012 1:47 PM

    mrslay1 says:
    Feb 2, 2012 9:26 PM
    Hey bozo… usc didn’t win any titles. They were given a title from the ap in 03 which means nothing, but they lost them all for cheating…REMEMBER. Means they haven’t done anything in years either, at least nothing that matters.

    ___
    Like I said, I don’t even like the Trojans, but I sure didn’t see anyone “giving” the Irish any AP titles…or any other football titles, for that matter. At least USC is in the mix…ND hasn’t been for some time now.

  106. bozosforall says: Feb 3, 2012 1:55 PM

    burntorangehorn says:
    Feb 3, 2012 10:56 AM
    I wonder if Les Miles felt the same way about Ryan Perrilloux when that top-ranked QB chose LSU at the last minute?

    He’s being a ridiculous hypocrite, as always.

    __
    Ryan Perrilloux was recruited and signed by Nick Saban in 2004. Les Miles didn’t arrive at LSU until 2005.

    Thanks for showing us what an ignorant Texass Shorthorn fan you are though…you don’t even know the true history of the event that you attempt to wield as a weapon. Hilarious how, despite having nearly full control of one of the most fertile prep recruiting grounds in the US, Texas still can’t manage more than one little national title (and only 4 in their entire history). Your bitter rivals, Oklahoma, continuously outrecruit your pisspoor school, racking up nearly twice as many national titles as your guys, despite being a much smaller state, with significantly less resources (resources that they have to share with OSU on a much more equal basis than UT shares with any other Texas school).

  107. cdolan13 says: Feb 3, 2012 2:46 PM

    Wow! bozosforall, you certainly ARE a bitter old man, aren’t you?

    Limp-wristed crap?

    Small fry?

    pisspoor school?

    Texass shorthorn?

    And I thought this was a posting board that showcased intelligent conversation.

    Once again, with every posting you make you prove to me the short-sightedness and and Napoleon Complex that some people wield as a shield to cover their sad, lonely existences. Makes sense, since apparently all you have in your life is your college football team, obviously showcasing your lack of support for your ENTIRE University. No wonder the majority of your ‘students’ (and I use the term VERY loosely) who play football leave after 3 years. I probably wouldn’t want to stay any longer than I had to, either.

    If any of you on here could take a subtle hint; the reason I tout Notre Dame’s success in other fields is because I take pride in The University Of Notre Dame. The whole school. But, obvioulsy sublety is lost on you. Makes sense; the majority of you here who tout your undying and blind love of your football team and criticize other championships and can’t praise any other aspect of your school show all us decent and profitable members of society how sad grasping on to the glory of a single, solitary championship in just one of many sports that each and every school participates in actually is. (sorry for the run-on sentence)

    My point is: Have pride in your school, man! (or, did I get your gender wrong, also, as I did for suprmous? If so, I apologize. In my defense, you sound like one of those sad, little men who can only dream of playing football, but couldn’t because of your lack of athleticism.)

  108. Deb says: Feb 3, 2012 5:10 PM

    @parkcityute and footballgenius101 …

    The media at large has a Notre Dame bias. NBC has a Notre Dame-themed site because it makes them money, not because they give two hoots about Notre Dame. And John Taylor is a diehard Ohio State fan–but that didn’t stop him from taking a hard line with OSU during the Tressel coverage.

    Like he said … you guys must be new.

  109. cdolan13 says: Feb 3, 2012 5:33 PM

    Deb,

    Thank you again for the perspective about John Taylor’s allegience; I love that there are representative’s of all Universities, here. It helps make up for the narrow-minded, regional few.

    And believe me; NO ONE is harder on their program than I am. Sometimes I think that Brian Kelly got the job because he’s so good at PR; a good salesman. Because, a lot of times what he says does not translate to the product he presents. Or, after a bone-head move during a game he sure knows how to smooth it over. BUT I do love the fact that, if you mention a player (on his team or any other) he does not throw them under the bus or bad-mouth. That is what I call respect, so I can forgive him a lot.

    And I couldn’t agree with you more; the media IS largely biased in favor of Notre Dame; and they are on any channel every weekend they play; but, doesn’t that make them relevant? If not, then why would all of you come on and say you hate Notre Dame? If ND wasn’t relevant wouldn’t you just ignore all the articles and not post comments on them? Just saying…

    Believe me, sometimes I AM embarrassed that they are on tv so much; especially from some of the recent eggs they’ve laid. BUT – and this is a big BUT (not butt) – I am a fan and supporter of Notre Dame, and nothing will change that fact. Just as you are an Alabama fan (and more power to you for being articulate about it) and John Taylor is an Ohio State fan. We are all fans.

    I am simply here to share in the fun.

    So, keep the perspective coming; I AM enjoying myself…

  110. bozosforall says: Feb 3, 2012 5:48 PM

    cdolan13 says:
    Feb 3, 2012 2:46 PM
    Wow! bozosforall, you certainly ARE a bitter old man, aren’t you?

    Limp-wristed crap?

    Small fry?

    pisspoor school?

    Texass shorthorn?

    And I thought this was a posting board that showcased intelligent conversation.

    Once again, with every posting you make you prove to me the short-sightedness and and Napoleon Complex that some people wield as a shield to cover their sad, lonely existences. Makes sense, since apparently all you have in your life is your college football team, obviously showcasing your lack of support for your ENTIRE University. No wonder the majority of your ‘students’ (and I use the term VERY loosely) who play football leave after 3 years. I probably wouldn’t want to stay any longer than I had to, either.

    If any of you on here could take a subtle hint; the reason I tout Notre Dame’s success in other fields is because I take pride in The University Of Notre Dame. The whole school. But, obvioulsy sublety is lost on you. Makes sense; the majority of you here who tout your undying and blind love of your football team and criticize other championships and can’t praise any other aspect of your school show all us decent and profitable members of society how sad grasping on to the glory of a single, solitary championship in just one of many sports that each and every school participates in actually is. (sorry for the run-on sentence)

    My point is: Have pride in your school, man! (or, did I get your gender wrong, also, as I did for suprmous? If so, I apologize. In my defense, you sound like one of those sad, little men who can only dream of playing football, but couldn’t because of your lack of athleticism.)

    ___
    If you want to talk about your ENTIRE university, feel free to go to the “Inside the Irish” board (where all the priests go…and are sorely disappointed because they feel that the title is misleading). Here, it’s mostly about college football…not fencing or women’s soccer.

    Regarding my playing football, yes I did…on a championship team, no less. Then again, you are probably one of those “Rudy” guys who had to watch while guys like me got all the hot cheerleaders.

    cdolt…you keep on defending your elitist school…while the rest of us real football fans talk about football…not fencing. Pretending that you are above us all, preaching from your ivory tower (or is it that crane that the football team used to use?) only highlights who has the REAL “Napoleon complex”. That would be you, little leprechaun.

  111. cdolan13 says: Feb 3, 2012 6:00 PM

    Bozo,

    so glad you live up to that name…

    Although the ‘inside the Irish’ was a damn funny comment. I did enjoy that. I will applaud you for that one.

    Although, if you seriously want to talk ONLY COLLEGE FOOTBALL, why are you writing about priests? Or cranes? I absolutely love hypocrisy!

    So, congrats that you played on a championship team; your mom and dad watching you in Pop Warner all those years ago, going up against those 8-year olds must have made them so proud. And cheerleaders? Calling them hot? At THAT age? Now, that’s disturbing. If you thought they were hot at that age then you must have been older than your team mates; maybe 13 or 14? And that’s just sick.

    So, enjoy your Pee Wee trophy; I am sure those laurels that you are resting upon have already dried and disintegrated with age; but, go ahead and keep slinging that mud. Maybe you’ll be taken seriously one day…

  112. cdolan13 says: Feb 3, 2012 6:03 PM

    P.S., Bozo, don’t take so long to respond next time; makes me believe you are over-thinking this. That, or you are asking for help; or, maybe with spelling?

  113. Deb says: Feb 3, 2012 9:40 PM

    cdolan13 …

    Both the media preoccupation with Notre Dame and the general dislike expressed by fans of other teams are about the school’s storied history rather than any current relevance. As you know too well, it’s been years since the Irish have been serious championship contenders. My intense dislike for Notre Dame goes back to Ara Parseghian and events before my time.

    You can’t be surprised by the attitude people have toward Notre Dame. I experience the same as a devoted Steelers fan. The larger and more vocal your fan base and the more storied your team history, the more everyone else resents you.

    Now, now. Alabama has just as many articulate fans as any other program. Sports radio and blogs don’t usually attract professorial types.

  114. dannygjay says: Feb 3, 2012 9:44 PM

    Y R U having a spelling contest. This 3 inch screen and swype r not very easy to navigate, so I wil not try. Even an Auburn fan should know that Les was wrong. As an Alabama fan I don’t care if players can spell. I know most disagree, but most (not all) of the supernatural athletes are not that smart. Just to get any education is way more than they could accomplish without football. So you can spend 10 minutes spelling things correct on your 3 inch screen and Harvard and Yale will laugh at you. Spelling on a blog doesn’t make you smart. You just want to seem smart in much the same way as someone who drives a Bentley (sp) wants to appear rich. How long does that last

  115. goblue714 says: Feb 3, 2012 10:48 PM

    Hey deb you’re a missouri grad but you’re an alabama and steeler fan? Talk about a bandwagon fan, would you like missouri more if they went to BCS games every year? Sorry I just had to bring that point up.

  116. infrno says: Feb 3, 2012 11:24 PM

    @ Deb

    It was a joke, I may (or may not) have all of my natural teeth. Lighten up, doll. I won’t get bent if you call me a coonass in the heat of the moment.

    Wait, get your mind out of the gutter! I was referring to trash talking!

  117. infrno says: Feb 3, 2012 11:35 PM

    @ cdolan

    We don’t get our students killed, and they leave to make $$$$. Seriously, STFU, you ignorant slut. ND student athletes stay out of necessity, they’d haul ass after 3 years to go make a ton of cash in the NFL if they could. Or maybe you’re just saying they stay because they really are stupid?

    Hmmm. Kinda dug yourself in there, sparky.

  118. infrno says: Feb 3, 2012 11:44 PM

    And Deb, seriously, no one that has ever met a mob of Bama fans ever has anything positive to say about them. Sorry, but I didn’t need to see a T-bagging on national TV to convince me. It’s not all of you, but in my experience it is certainly the majority.

    And pretty much everyone I know that isn’t a Bama fan says the same thing, and most of them aren’t LSU fans – I’m from MS originally.

  119. norcalirish says: Feb 4, 2012 8:02 AM

    I tried to read all the comments…but I’ve got stuff to do. Some quick hits:

    Alabama fans: your team invents fake national titles. Look it up.

    Michigan fans: go away. As much as I respect Michigan, your team shouldn’t have even been academically eligible this year.

    usc fans: your team is a semi-pro team thats “breakin bread” over there in watts. You’ve had a good decade against us, but you’re still roughly 10 games UNDER .500 for the lifetime series. (Although if you keep buying kids cars and houses you’ll keep having to forfeit games, national championships and shiny trophies). You’re the Barry Bonds of schools—I’d put the names of the people that come out of my University against yours any day of the week.

    The fact of the matter is that ND (along with Vandy, Navy, Army, Northwestern, etc) should be in a different cfb division, because, honestly, the term “student-athlete” has become a joke at many schools around the country. Not trying to be high and mighty about it, but let’s be real.

    As for the spelling and grammar…relax. This is a blog, and, as easy as it is to pounce on, one mistake here or there by an auburn grad doesn’t mean they’ve only got a few teeth and are LIVING IN A VAN, DOWN BY THE RIVER. So, let’s take a step back and relax friends. (If the person happens to be a msu grad however, they LITERALLY do all LIVE IN VANS, DOWN BY THE RIVER).

    Thus concludes today’s lesson.

    GO IRISH

  120. goblue714 says: Feb 4, 2012 8:27 AM

    @norcal

    Yea i’d be bitter if my team got owned by Michigan during the richrod years. My personal opinion is we shouldn’t even play ND unless they join the big ten, but that’s just me.

  121. kupski says: Feb 4, 2012 12:00 PM

    Les Miles the Racist of the year award for stupid comments like that CAUGHT on YouTube. What time of day to you do hangings Les ?

  122. woebegong says: Feb 4, 2012 12:12 PM

    I find the statements he made to be pretty stupid but what the group there wanted to hear, since they are LSU fans though.
    I did not see anything racist in his remarks though. Perhaps you could expound on your statement because I must have missed the racist remarks. Sexist possibly, racist I don’t see.

  123. mrslay1 says: Feb 4, 2012 12:24 PM

    Les Miles may be a lot of things, but racist is not one of them. Unless of coarse you mean against white kids. He left Lee on the bench in favor of his black QB just to prove it, when Lee was the only chance they had. What a dumb thing to say!

  124. Deb says: Feb 4, 2012 12:53 PM

    @goblue714 …

    Why would you assume I’m from Missouri and hopping on an Alabama bandwagon?

    I’m Floridian, but my father is from Alabama and the family is divided between the two states. Except for a couple of disagreeable Auburn cousins, we’ve all been Tide fans for generations. I went to Missouri because it was the best school for my major.

    Like many Southern families, ours was only interested in college football. I became addicted to the NFL watching alone on Sundays while everyone napped after church. With no family team allegiance, I fell in love with the Steelers at the end of the dynasty years. But I’ve been unflinchingly loyal for 34 years, through the long, lean 80s and the 26 years between championships. At this point, I’m way past “bandwagon” status.

  125. Deb says: Feb 4, 2012 1:00 PM

    infrno …

    Okay, one of those posts was kinda funny … but I’m too ladylike to say which one :)

    It’s always the jerks who get the most attention in any situation. You’ve got 90,000 fans who quietly go home with their families, and a handful who act like total idiots. But they’re the ones who get filmed and photographed, and they’re the ones people remember encountering in parking lots.

    The Southern stereotypes wouldn’t bother me if I knew everyone was just kidding. But I’ve seen supposedly intelligent individuals actually buy into that nonsense and use those prejudices to penalize a progressive, educated professional from the South. That’s why it makes me a lil crazy when people spew that stuff. You never now who it’s going to hurt.

  126. goblue714 says: Feb 4, 2012 1:49 PM

    Growing up and living around Detroit i’m a lifelong lions fan. Plus being this area we have the supposed spartan fans(since they beat UM). So I see alot of the bandwagon stuff, people that only cheer for winning teams. I’m true no matter how bad my teams are.

  127. bozosforall says: Feb 4, 2012 7:28 PM

    cdolan13 says:
    Feb 3, 2012 6:03 PM
    P.S., Bozo, don’t take so long to respond next time; makes me believe you are over-thinking this. That, or you are asking for help; or, maybe with spelling?

     _____

    Take so long to respond? Unlike you, I have a life outside of the Internet. As for asking for help…it seems that you are the one who needs it here.

    ND should seriously consider changing the name of their football mascot to the “Iwish”, given that you fans have been likely saying things such as “I wish we could compete for a national college football title” for the last quarter century.

    And as for your false comment that I advocated that we talk ONLY COLLEGE FOOTBALL, you might want to work on that reading comprehension a bit…because I specifically said “mostly”, not “only”. Nice try though…not.

  128. frank booth says: Feb 4, 2012 9:16 PM

    Not all Irish alumni are as obnoxious or as arrogant as cdolan13, but there are plenty that are, especially in the Midwest.

    Irish fans and alumni love to talk down to others, even when their program is doing poorly. I can’t see how they can run around putting down other programs when they have such a lack of caring that Kelly let’s a kid go up on a crane in high winds when a even a bonehead like Tressel is smart enough to pull practice inside for safety reasons. Remember, it’s a Catholic university, a religion where ethics don’t run particularly high and cash is king.

    But the school has turned out a lot of good, smart kids, and successful businessman, and they do have an extremely strong alumni network. One-on-one, most alumni are fine; get them in a group, however, and they have no time for you unless you are a domer.

  129. Deb says: Feb 4, 2012 10:34 PM

    @goblue714 …

    You see a lot of bandwagoners in Florida, too, because of the transient population. The Gator and FSU fans remain constant, but the pro jerseys you see in the malls change every year. When the Jags first came along, you saw their jerseys everywhere. Then when Tampa won the SB, you saw a lot of Bucs jerseys. Pats jerseys were big for a while, then Steelers and Green Bay. But the Steelers are it for me. Major love affair, win or lose :D

  130. nswbbk says: Feb 5, 2012 9:56 AM

    Well, it’s official…no more riding on the Saban built Tiger machine. Next stop Michigan, you read it here first…

  131. woebegong says: Feb 5, 2012 10:15 AM

    It would appear that your statement here is kind of a stretch since he has been the head coach at LSU since 2005. That is coming up on his 7th season as HC, and I don’t recall any player, ever getting past his 6th year of eligibility even though it seemed like the Houston QB, was recruited and played from the day he was born and started out as the Houston QB, from the fifth grade on. He only had six years counting as a scholarship player.
    Michigan just might find LSU’s defense a little tougher than say, Indiana and a few others in the big 10.

  132. norcalirish says: Feb 5, 2012 10:43 AM

    @goblue714: owned? What has it been, 3 years in a row now that Michigan miraculously beat us in the last 45 seconds or so of each game? If thats getting “owned” I don’t even WANNA hear what you’d call osu’s or msu’s performance against you guys.”Raped” perhaps?

    Congrats on finally pulling even and ahead in the modern standings against us (14-15-1 since the series resumed in 1942 [after Michigan quit playing us cuz we beat them for the first time in 1909 (after Michigan won the first 8 meetings) ...they were so mad at their loss that they didn't play ND for over 30 years!])………………..now actually start sending your kids to class.

  133. norcalirish says: Feb 5, 2012 11:06 AM

    “My personal opinion is we shouldn’t even play ND unless they join the big ten, but that’s just me.”

    Wow, you must REALLY be a Michigan Man! That same sentiment came from your school over a hundred years ago when you guys took the ball, went home and refused to play us after ND had the audacity to beat Michigan for the first time ever.

    Quick history lesson: After 8 straight losses to Michigan (which are still counted in the all time standings even though we were just learning the game of football…our first game ever was LITERALLY against the almost decade-old experienced Michigan football team in 1887) we finally beat them and then they refuse to play us for decades. Then we schedule them again in the 1940s and, after another win, Michigan decides to not schedule us…again.

    Michigan football: a proud history of refusing to play ND after we beat them.

  134. goblue714 says: Feb 5, 2012 11:16 AM

    A win is a win, 3 years straight. And why would you bring up other teams beating us? Oh yeah because we beat your team. Honestly if we let just anyone in Michigan why is demar dorsey playing safety at grand rapids CC? The kids a 4’3 40, and can hit like a mack truck. The kid loves Michigan but because he’s been in trouble admissions won’t let him in school. Who do you think we are, MSU?

  135. mrslay1 says: Feb 5, 2012 11:55 AM

    And last… Les Miles is a coach that got his team there (championship) and put together the best regular season in History. Be happy with having, because of him one of the elite programs in the country. There are many who like to be half as good.

  136. lasseter1113 says: Feb 5, 2012 1:39 PM

    @infrno,

    Too funny my friend. What a comedian you are. Especially loved the “God, but this idiocy is why no one outside of podunk Alabama can tolerate you toothless Gumps.” Since were telling jokes let me tell some:

    Knock Knock
    Who’s There?
    LS
    LS Who?
    LSwho got DESTROYED by the “toothless gumps”
    21 to NOTHING!!! hahahahaha

    Have you heard the one about the LSwho player that couldn’t cross the 50 yard line? No wait, that wasn’t a joke that actually happened. Sorry….8~(

    For further laughs, I suggest you go watch a replay of the National Championship game. It makes me smile every single time I watch it. 8~)

  137. ukeone says: Feb 5, 2012 2:02 PM

    I remember the days when children listened, respected & obeyed their parents; when students respected their teachers and superiors; when a committment meant that when you decided on a program, you stuck with it. But back then, there was no internet, no cell-phones, no quick and easy way to weasel someone away from keeping his word. Students today tend to be more disrespectful, listen to their gang-affiliates (instead of their parents) and follow their overly-inflated ‘I am better than everyone’ ambitions & egos…..Today: it is what it is! And thanks to modern tecnology (together with the fall of the family & life as we all once knew), we all have to deal with its aftermaths. And let us not forget the press. These young men read the papers, watch Sportscenter, scan the internet recruiting sites, etc. They watch. read, listen & are very easily influenced. The inflated egos of these kids these days are hard enough to handle; but, technology & the press have made it abundantly easier than ever to lure someone away from one place & into the likes of another. Get used to it…it’s happened at ‘every’ school (not just LSU’s loss of Kiel to Notre Dame…as ND lost a couple of their commits to Ohio St…thanks to their aggressively-sneaky new coach!) So, stop crying, Les, and get back to work and ‘secure’ those LOI’s because it’s only going to get worse! Don’t you all just love modern society?

  138. tradertrik says: Feb 5, 2012 4:23 PM

    Gotta say, these posts are a collection of some of the most juvenile comments I’ve seen in some time. They run from xenophobia to downright insulting (bringing in religion into the constantly harped “this is a college football board you should only talk about football) is completely out of line. And of course, leave it to an Alabama thing to do that.

    I live in this crap hole of a state, but I am thankfully leaving in the spring. Yeah, the home of the largest municiple bankruptcy, George Wallace, and other clearly looked down upon by the rest of the country events and people (Helen Keller notwithstanding.) Really, outside of Alabamastan, nobody gives a shit about whether you’ve won 14 or 140 national championships. Alabama sucks; not just the team, the whole damn state. No wonder your so gushingly homosexual about your football team; it’s the only positive thing about this shit hole. Yup, glad I’m leaving, and I’ll never be back.

  139. goblue714 says: Feb 5, 2012 4:50 PM

    Just classic tradertrik, you proceed to tell us were juvenile then you demean a whole state. LOL!

  140. mrslay1 says: Feb 5, 2012 4:52 PM

    In the spring, to be sure, the state of Alabama will increase it’s quaility and IQ, with the gain of losing a peice of trash like you.

  141. Deb says: Feb 5, 2012 11:51 PM

    tradertrik …

    Did you actually say someone else was being out of line?

    Scary.

    Glad you’re leaving in the spring. Please … go north. My family are criminal defense attorneys … in case you need help in the meantime. With that much hate, God knows what you’re likely to do. But your diminished capacity is pretty obvious.

  142. bozosforall says: Feb 6, 2012 2:30 PM

    norcalirish says:
    Feb 5, 2012 10:43 AM
    @goblue714: owned? What has it been, 3 years in a row now that Michigan miraculously beat us in the last 45 seconds or so of each game? If thats getting “owned” I don’t even WANNA hear what you’d call osu’s or msu’s performance against you guys.”Raped” perhaps?

    Congrats on finally pulling even and ahead in the modern standings against us (14-15-1 since the series resumed in 1942 [after Michigan quit playing us cuz we beat them for the first time in 1909 (after Michigan won the first 8 meetings) ...they were so mad at their loss that they didn't play ND for over 30 years!])………………..now actually start sending your kids to class.

    ___
    Even funnier is the fact that ND is too cowardly to join a conference…whether a second-rate one like the Little Ten…or to step up with the big boys in the SEC. Your team hasn’t been relevant since the late 80s…and won’t be for the foreseeable future.

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