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Ex-Tar Heel: UNC ‘child’s play compared to what happens at the SEC’

Deunta Williams AP

Sure, deflect your former program’s issues onto another conference.

As Ben noted Monday afternoon, the NCAA handed down sanctions on North Carolina’s football program relating to multiple players receiving impermissible benefits as well as an academic scandal.  Among the sanctions with which the Tar Heels were slapped was a one-year bowl ban, loss of 15 total scholarships over three years and the vacating of all victories from both the 2008 and 2009 seasons.

While some felt that the program got off lightly given the scope of the scandal — one of Butch Davis‘ former assistants, John Blake, was in essence found to be a runner for an agent — at least one former player felt the exact opposite.  And he attempted to express those feelings by slinging mud at everyone’s favorite target when things go awry with their respective football programs.

“What happened at Carolina is child’s play compared to what happens at the SEC,” ex-UNC defensive back Deunta Williams, who was suspended four games in 2010 for his role in the scandal, told the Charlotte Observer. “The SEC pays for players. I’m not afraid to say it, but the NCAA doesn’t go after them.”

Why Williams eschewed a “sCam Newton” blast is unknown, although he didn’t reserve all of his vitriol for the SEC.

“It’s a broken system,” said Williams of the NCAA and the game of college football. “College football is a business, and the people who run college football are only interested in money and using the players as product to make money.”

On that, the 2010 UNC graduate may very well have a point.  Check that: he does have a very valid point, although it doesn’t change the fact that he and a baker’s dozen of his former teammates broke NCAA bylaws that led to significant sanctions for the program, sanctions for which, once again, players who had nothing to do with the scandal will suffer the consequences.

And that has absolutely nothing to do with the SEC and everything to do with the shortsightedness of a handful of now-former players and, more importantly, the suspect character of a once-trusted assistant.

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  1. woebegong says: Mar 13, 2012 7:36 AM

    I would think if he could prove his statements, he would be well advised to show proof his accusations about the SEC or any other conference. Surely, this guy wouldn’t just be throwing mud up into the air to see where it lands now, would he. Seems like a pretty immature statement to make if you don’t have proof, and not exactly what the NFL would be looking for when it comes to a mature individual.

  2. crazycane says: Mar 13, 2012 7:39 AM

    So when Shapiro said all that he did to Yahoo! everyone believed every word other than he couldn’t come close to competing with the SEC in terms of money exchange and favors. Where’s there’s smoke there’s fire.

  3. mrslay1 says: Mar 13, 2012 7:57 AM

    Trying to throw attention to someone or something else in hopes to take the light off of yourself. That is called witchcraft.

  4. cometkazie says: Mar 13, 2012 8:13 AM

    Williams graduated from UNC?

    With a degree?

    In what?

  5. originolefan says: Mar 13, 2012 8:23 AM

    If you have or no anyone who has played bigtime college sports you know this is true, with out a doubt he has many friends who play with other teams and he and everyone else knows they get cash amongst other things all the time. Its not a secret to anyone that is on the campus and around the team it is only a secret to a bunch of idiots who only watch sports center and are like oh my team would never do anything like that…. yeah and SMU the good christian school wouldn’t either….. Wake up people there is too much money out there to be made off of these kids for there not to be people trying to take advantage of them and the system… Look at every single money making business in the world and there is always someone out there trying to cheat/ steal to get an edge why would the most popular college sport in the country be any different

  6. woebegong says: Mar 13, 2012 8:37 AM

    I take it you are an FSU fan and would be plenty familiar with the topic of free gifts and money, but that is neither here or there. Fans or people who responded to this post are not idiots as you would so like us to think. All they are saying, is , if you have the proof, of your accusations, bring them forward and expose them. If not, don’t waste your breath because it looks like a very poor attempt on this players part to justify what he did. Words are useless unless they have meaning, like a lot of the post on here are, but as the old lady said in the “Wendy’s” commercial; “Where’s The Beef”.
    College football is a lot about the money for sure. Most successful university programs use the profits from their football programs, to fund most, if not all of the minor sports that men and women participate in, at college. Football, also brings most of the major college a lot of prestige to their schools, so it is not going to go away. There are a few schools, flying under the radar, but eventually they will get caught. This guy slinging unproven accusation around will not help straighten out the problem, and he would have been well advised to just keep quiet until he did, or if he ever does, have solid proof, that can stand the test. Otherwise, he is just spouting accusations, and it reads like sour grapes on his part.

  7. thegamecocker says: Mar 13, 2012 9:21 AM


    On the surface, I agree with all of what you state. Because there is so much money involved which funds not only the other non-revenue but also some academic programs, the President’s don’t want the “system” to change or go away. They may want it “better policed” by the NCAA but that’s it. I also believe that what Originolfan states about players accepting some cash “under the table” is also true. However, a scholarship has tremendous value in my estimation. Therefore I do not think the Scholar-Athlete is deserving of further compensation from the school. And I certainly do not condone players being paid “under the table” as that is unfair. Finally, I have one question: say a regular student pays between $30,000 to $50,000 to attend a college. Isn’t that enough revenue per student to cover all the expenses. Say there are 20 students to a class, that’s $600,000 to a $1,000,000 in revenue. My goodness, it seems to me this would be plenty of money to run a school on. So, is it greed or do most of these schools really need the money?

  8. beedubyatoo says: Mar 13, 2012 9:45 AM

    OK, SEC fans who are apologists for everything bad in the SEC, line up on the right.

    SEC fans who are accepting the facts and aren’t apologists, line up on the…….

    Oh, wait. No line.

  9. papabush88 says: Mar 13, 2012 9:47 AM

    Historically, the SEC is the worst violator of NCAA rules. The second worst is the Big 12 followed by the Pac 10/12. The UNC violations are pretty bad though. Same with Ohio State. However, how can schools like North Carolina and Ohio St complain when they did far worse than USC, yet USC’s penalty was the worst. The Trojans, on the other hand, are the only school that can handler their egregious sanctions and still be at top of college football. I do agree with Williams that the NCAA is a business and they exploit the heck out of players. Guys like Reggie Bush made so much money for NCAA. All of these star athletes deserve to be paid.

  10. woebegong says: Mar 13, 2012 9:49 AM

    You would think it would be in most cases, but for instance at UGA, for one; they support 32 athletic programs, including even equestrian teams, and there is absolutely no revenue generated from that sport. Fencing is another sport, along with swimming and a lot of the other sports that operate in the red, and are saved by money generated by football. The new or updated training facility at UGA for football was funded entirely by revenue generated by the football team. Once upon a time in our great country, most states could adequately support the state universities but those days are long gone I am afraid. I believe but don’t quote me on this because I haven’t checked for quite a while, that UGA’s tuition for instate is about 16 grand a year and out of state is somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 grand. No expert here but I would figure that it takes about that much per student to maintain the university. Football money, I believe does serve a good purpose.
    Now, I am also a proponent of giving these kids that play sports a small stipend to give them some pocket money, but only to those students that maintain a decent grade average. As seen by our most recent “weedgate” at UGA, some of these kids would probably just waste the money on crap they shouldn’t have. In the case of Braden smith, it sounds like he is guilty of associating with the wrong type crowd, but he is guilty by association and being dumb enough to let his buddy smoke that crap in the car.
    I have no doubt that some players are payed under the table but I would say, that a great deal more of them, are paid by the over zealous alumni of some of those university’s than by coaches or the institution. If the kid from N.C. has proof of this, he needs to let the specific instances be known, because as I said, it is sour grapes if he is not willing to present the facts of his accusations be known. He comes off as a person not willing to take responsibility for his actions. He is a grown man, and should own up to his responsibility and learn from it. Lashing out at others with accusations that he presents no positive proof about, doesn’t strike me as too smart an idea.
    I also don’t believe that this is common place in the SEC or any other conference for that fact. There will be a few bad apples for sure in any conference. I don’t for one minute think that Spurrier would condone payments to players individually nor would Richt at UGA. I don’t think Mush at Florida would either. I don’t know about the other coaches around, but these three don’t strike me as that type of character person.

  11. woebegong says: Mar 13, 2012 10:07 AM

    As a SEC fan (Georgia), I am not saying that the SEC is perfect or without blame. But if you could; name me one major conference that hasn’t had a trouble school or two over the last decade. Has the school you support been in a major conference and been completely clean for the last decade? Money and success ultimately leads to bending if not our right breaking some of the rules the NCAA has. The pressure to succeed on coaches is so strong, that in order to keep their jobs, some of them feel the need to try and get away with some things, in order to stay employed. It really in the end is all about money.
    All I am saying is that if this N.C. student has proof positive, he shouldn’t be hiding it, even though, it will not excuse what he did but at least it might bring to light, the accusations he has made if he has proof. I am sure the enforcement committee of the NCAA is salivating at that thought.

  12. winstonhussein says: Mar 13, 2012 10:57 AM

    Oh Deunta, you just hating cause we don’t get caught.
    And yes, I would like cheese on my cheeseburger.

  13. sprizzle2182 says: Mar 13, 2012 11:06 AM

    thats very big of him to come forward now with these revelations abotu the SEC…wonder what caused him to say something now…lol…the SEC doesnt have to pay players….we win Championships and THAT is why guys want to play in the SEC….look at all the accusations that have come out against teams in the past year…Miami, UNC, Oregon…none in the SEC and 2 in the ACC….both schools in the ACC are in SEC region, wonder why THEY were the ones caught paying players, buying cars, and abortions and NOT the SEC….maybe they did what they HAD to do to get players to come to their schools when all the SEC teams have to do is offer a scholly, keep winning games, and employ the best coaches in the country….

  14. rolltide510 says: Mar 13, 2012 11:11 AM

    Many CFT posters are absolutely positive the SEC are all dirty cheaters. They don’t have proof, but they do have substantial amounts of butthurt. And occasionally stories about how good the academics are at their schools, and how well the women’s rowing teams do.

  15. gdawg248 says: Mar 13, 2012 11:30 AM

    Everyone does know this. It is how they use the words when “donors and boosters” come into the picture. Just like with Ohio state and the guy taking them golfing and shapiro. These people are relentless to make the money as fast as they can the bigger the player the more fans pay. Its easy just don’t look at college athletics as non-profit. They are clearly fortune 500 companies just in education cutting back on true students putting in more advanced athletic facilities and not updating the school for true students. It’s obvious just look at it from a business view.

  16. gdawg248 says: Mar 13, 2012 11:34 AM

    The NCAA just signed a 742 million dollar deal with CBS an sec for football rights a few years ago no other conference has that of course the sec will slide. Saban offered Landon Collins girlfriend a job in his office for Collins’ signature I mean there is no policing that though because it supposedly doesn’t have anything to do with Collins which we all know is bs.

  17. rolltide510 says: Mar 13, 2012 11:44 AM

    Landon Collins decided to go to Bama before he even met that chick. But remember, any team that mud holes your team must be cheating. It’s the most basic rule of cfb fanhood. Have UGA fans decided why Reuben Foster picked Bama yet?

  18. jonanthans says: Mar 13, 2012 12:18 PM

    Typical, he got caught and trying to deflect some attention by throwing accusations in another direction. If anyone actually believes there is no underhanded dealing at EVERY major sports college, you my friend are the most naive person on the face of this earth. It happens at every school, in every sport, to one degree or another. The NCAA is aware of most of it too, but want to cover the majority of it up because of the sweet, sweet racket they have going on. You can hate on the SEC/Big 12/Big 10/PAC12/ACC/etc etc all you want to, it comes down to one sentence very correctly stated by a Michigan football player years ago:

    “If you ain’t cheatin, you ain’t tryin..”

  19. soflosportsfan says: Mar 13, 2012 2:10 PM

    As a UM i’m not denying anything Shapiro said he did. But, you people calling for the death penalty should look in the mirror. This happens at every school especially in the SEC and that is common knowledge, no proof needed.
    When is the last time an SEC team was “publicly caught”? That whole Cam Newton pay for play further showed the NCAA’s unwillingness to do anything against an SEC school.
    The NCAA is a joke and the day they go after an SEC school is the day they gain any credibility

  20. mike693466 says: Mar 13, 2012 2:11 PM

    another one of those cry babies that got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. so lets blame the sec for his actions. this is the same old song and dance you hear from people like him and other confrences that are losers. sec is the best so people love to hate the best.

  21. mike693466 says: Mar 13, 2012 2:14 PM


  22. papabush88 says: Mar 13, 2012 2:16 PM

    mike693466: You’re right, that people hate the best out of jealousy. It’s why USC is the most hated school. SEC is the best conference, but USC is the best program. Everyone hates USC. People hate them even more when the NCAA couldn’t implicate anyone but Reggie Bush for taking money, even though USC got excessive sanctions. So, the most hated conference is the SEC, and they are also the strongest conference. The most hated program/school is USC. They are also the stongest program.

  23. Deb says: Mar 13, 2012 2:18 PM

    @beedubyatoo …

    Oh, honey, I always accept the facts. Got any? Just pour out your documentation right here. Be sure to cite your references because I am a fact-checker. The accusation was pay for play. I’m looking for names, dates, and programs.

    And don’t bother with Cam Newton. No matter what any of us–including myself–might think Auburn did, there’s no evidence to that effect. None. And this fact-checker–like the courts–doesn’t accept rumor, innuendo, or the tantrums of poor losers.

    Okay … I’m waiting … let’s see those facts …

  24. Deb says: Mar 13, 2012 2:21 PM

    @papabush88 …

    I’m a Bama fan, but I certainly don’t hate USC. I despise the people who brought the sanctions down on the program. But I admire USC and it will always be my favorite Pac 12 program. Some of us respect excellence … without whining about it just because it doesn’t involve our team.

  25. mike693466 says: Mar 13, 2012 2:31 PM


  26. papabush88 says: Mar 13, 2012 2:31 PM

    Deb: I am not trying to convert people to love USC. But I appreciate that you respect them. I respect teams like Alabama and LSU. The thing I resepct most about the SEC teams is that all of their most recent championship teams have dominant D-Lines. That is the most important aspect of a defense. Sure, you can’t just have a strong D-Line and weak LBs and secondary, but a dominant D-Line is a great foundation to build your defense on. Similarly, these great USC teams of recent past that included Carson Palmer and Leinart as the QB were especially dominant offensively due to a dominant O-Line. We also had guys like Reggie and Lendale and some stellar receiving corps, but I am just offering an explanation as to the poor performances of guys like Sanchez, Booty, and Leinart in the NFL. They had a great supporting cast, and it all started at the O-Line.
    As I was saying before, I don’t want people to love USC, that either didn’t go there, or didn’t grow up with them as “their” team, but they should be respected, just as Alabama should be.

  27. mike693466 says: Mar 13, 2012 2:36 PM


  28. papabush88 says: Mar 13, 2012 2:37 PM

    mike693466: It is a shame that current players and school’s current staff get penalized for something a former player did. But, as long as these rules are around (which I hope they aren’t because the NCAA makes way too much on them, to not reciprocate the payments back to players) schools should be penalized for wrongdoings IF the staff/coaches knew about it. In the case of tOSU, Tressel and others knew about it and got caught trying to cover it up. BAD. In the case of USC, Reggie Bush DID take money from someone not related to USC, AND no one else at USC knew about this, then they should not be penalized…at least not in the severe way they were.

  29. mike693466 says: Mar 13, 2012 2:41 PM


  30. papabush88 says: Mar 13, 2012 2:44 PM

    mike693466: Agreed. NCAA went after the wrong people. They should go after Reggie and that ex-con that gave him money. As the old saying goes, you can run, but you can’t hide. This is exactly what happened. Mike Ornstein, the one involved in the Reggie scandal, is now in trouble for the New Orleans Saints bounty program. He’s dirty. Already served time for illegal sale of Super Bowl tix. He should never be allowed near an athlete, or involved in sports.
    UCLA?!?!? Really?!?! I am surprised because you obviously are a football fan and UCLA is definitely not known as a football program.

  31. woebegong says: Mar 13, 2012 3:15 PM

    Let me guess, another Auburn fan. Whats a matter, you run out o9f fresh material from the AJC blogs?

  32. beedubyatoo says: Mar 13, 2012 3:57 PM

    Deb says:
    Mar 13, 2012 2:18 PM
    @beedubyatoo …

    Oh, honey, I always accept the facts


    Hey, Deb. Until you post your picture, please don’t call me honey.

  33. Deb says: Mar 13, 2012 4:36 PM

    @beedbubyatoo …

    You know, for once, I’m actually tempted to post my picture. But this place attracts too many nuts. Better to protect my anonymity. And don’t take the “honey” thing personally. I say that to everyone.

    Still waiting for that documentation on all those SEC pay-for-pay schemes …

  34. Deb says: Mar 13, 2012 4:41 PM

    @papabush88 …

    I’m dead-set against punishing programs after the perps have moved on. It’s wrong, and that should go without saying. Bush and Carroll, yes. The boosters, agents, bagmen involved, certainly. But the school? None of these coaches or players had anything to do with that. It’s ridiculous.

    Also agree with you on the trenches. I love, love, love power football. Was born into a Bama family and have been a diehard Steelers fan for 35 years. That’s my kind of game.

  35. mike693466 says: Mar 13, 2012 5:11 PM

    yes papabush ucla…lol..i loved them in basketball back in the old days for some reason and i think it is the football jerseys…lol

  36. mike693466 says: Mar 13, 2012 5:14 PM

    deb i know one thing bout cam is his fathers church was gonna be condemed here in newnan,ga. when he signed to go to auburn itgot fixed real quick and cost a good bit of money from what i understand. not saying the money came from a booster of auburn cause there is alot of auburn people in newnan…i’m just saying

  37. mike693466 says: Mar 13, 2012 5:18 PM


  38. John Taylor says: Mar 13, 2012 5:54 PM

    @mike693466: I have a couple of spare keyboards laying around the home office if the caps lock key is busted on yours. Will send one out to you at no charge.

  39. papabush88 says: Mar 13, 2012 6:09 PM


  40. cometkazie says: Mar 13, 2012 6:18 PM

    John Taylor says:
    Mar 13, 2012 5:54 PM
    @mike693466: I have a couple of spare keyboards laying around the home office if the caps lock key is busted on yours. Will send one out to you at no charge.

    Thanks, JT.

  41. papabush88 says: Mar 13, 2012 6:19 PM

    mike693466: Oh, I see. UCLA basketball. Yes, a storied tradition for their sports program. However, there are a few hiccups that some fail to remember/admit to. One, the Los Angeles Times did a story recently that ranked the Top 8 most popular sports teams in Los Angeles. UCLA didn’t make it on the list. As of November of 2011, USC was #2, behind only the Lakers. The Dodgers were #4. For UCLA and USC, it included all sports, not just basketball or football.
    See here:,0,3567591.story

    Secondly-and this is a little more on topic-had the NCAA been as active as they are today, UCLA would have to vacate about 8 basketball championships (all under Wooden). This is due to the infamous UCLA booster, Sam Gilbert, who paid UCLA players improper benefits. Wooden admitted that he knew Gilbert was no good, but like Paterno, did not do much to stop him.
    See here:

    However, like I said before, how can they punish UCLA now? Wouldn’t do much to Wooden’s reputation. He left the building intact unlike Paterno.

  42. cometkazie says: Mar 13, 2012 6:20 PM

    “Everybody knows.”

    “It’s a known fact.”

    “As sure as the sun sets in the west.”

    Opinions are opinions. You are entitled to them but not to your own facts.

  43. abrellbama says: Mar 13, 2012 6:25 PM

    These kids get plenty. They get complete tuition paid, room & board, books & supplies, personal expenses, transportation, misc items, special tutoring, medical & disability insurance, equipment paid for. They also have access to a Student Assistance Fund for poor student athletes that have a family or have added bill, that they can draw from. The NCAA sent $54million divided up by all 120 division 1 schools for that purpose and if they qualify for Pell Grants, that is an added $5,500.00 a year that they don’t pay back. These kids get paid plenty. They need to be more honest individuals and stay away from temptation. The really good ones only stay 3 years anyway and most of them have their degree by then.

  44. abrellbama says: Mar 13, 2012 6:43 PM

    LSU is on probation for an assistant coach “paying a player” and bringing him on the team. When Les Miles found out, he fired the assistant coach and suspended the player til the investigation was over, then LSU self reported the entire incident. Alabama is on probation for “textbooks” and helping friends with them. I think Tennessee is on probation (not sure) for Kiffin’s mess. They went after Auburn but couldn’t prove anything. Nick Saban’s teams have been investigated 3 different times since he has been at Bama and the only thing they could find was the “textbook” issue. Don’t EVER say they don’t go after SEC teams. They go after SEC teams ALL THE TIME!

  45. papabush88 says: Mar 13, 2012 6:50 PM

    The two biggest misnomers today:

    Everyone thinks Kiffin did something illegal, according to the NCAA, while at Tennessee. The NCAA never found him guilty of anything.

    Similarly, so many people think USC “cheated.” USC had no idea Reggie Bush was taking money. He took money from someone not related to USC and none of the coaches or staff knew about it.

    Kiffin isn’t the best coach ever, but stop blaming him. Actually read the findings that the NCAA releases. By the way, I am not attacking you, abrellbama. I am just clarifying your part about Kiffin. I know that you said that you weren’t sure, but it just needs to start getting out there that Kiffin didn’t do anything wrong by the NCAA. So, for any Tennessee fans, your program was hurt by your basketball coach, and your football program is still irrelevant.

  46. mike693466 says: Mar 13, 2012 10:00 PM


  47. mike693466 says: Mar 13, 2012 10:01 PM


  48. papabush88 says: Mar 13, 2012 10:03 PM

    uH oH, jOhN. I rEaLLy NeEd A nEw kEyBoArD!!

  49. mike693466 says: Mar 13, 2012 10:28 PM


  50. spoiledbratswhosuck says: Mar 14, 2012 8:11 AM

    College Football is a cesspool.

    Most players end up being used and abused without a meaningful degree and become long forgotten the minute they no longer play. Nothing like a $10 / hr job to look forward to.

    SEC Football Rocks!!!!!!!

  51. thegamecocker says: Mar 14, 2012 11:11 AM

    @beedubyatoo and @Deb

    Deb: Calling bdub Honey is probably the most sex he has had in awhile. Keep posting…you’re objective and realistic. While you don’t want to punish the schools where the cheaters “Cheat”, I do think that a HEAVY DOLLAR penalty is in order……

  52. Deb says: Mar 14, 2012 2:22 PM

    @thegamecocker …

    LOL … thank you. I do support heavy punishments for all the people involved (fire them and ban those boosters from games for life; suspend the players if they’re still in college and have the NFL suspend them if they’ve jumped). Just don’t want to punish people who didn’t do the crime. Fines are okay though.

    @mike693466 …

    Thank you, honey 😉

  53. thegamecocker says: Mar 14, 2012 2:42 PM

    THe “SHOW CAUSE” penalty is also making coaches become much more sensitive to what is going on around them. Fab Melo, the 7′ center for Syracuse, is not being allowed to play in the NCAA Tournament because of poor academic performance. Finally, these coaches are waking up. He had a chance to improve himself and didn’t take advantage of it. Now he is GONZO and probably alot of people who put their money on Syracuse in the Tourney are mad as hell. They won’t get past the Sweet 16.

  54. papabush88 says: Mar 14, 2012 2:47 PM

    Luckily, I had time to change my bracket. However, I also don’t care about college basketball. Too slow and best players are one and done, typically. The only thing in college worth watching, in my opinion, is football. NCAA tourney is fine.

  55. thegamecocker says: Mar 14, 2012 2:56 PM


    Yea, I agree with you. The GD NBA has f’d things up for the college game and I am really disappointed with that. These “1 and done” teams are horrible. How can you develop chemistry? Credibility? and cohesiveness when these kids just come and go? You can’t and while I respect those coaches that have adapted to this, I still detest it. I wish the NBA would drop off the end of the earth so we can enact the rule that says after you graduate HS, you have to wait 4 f’ing years before you can become eligible for the pros.

  56. papabush88 says: Mar 14, 2012 3:21 PM

    gamecocker: To be honest, I don’t know what the right answer is. As a huge college football fan, I love the three years rule before you can go to the pros. But I am also selfish and love it when guys like Palmer, Barkley, and Leinart return for their Senior season when they don’t really have to. At the same time, how can you tell a kid “No, you are not eligible to have a job.” However, I think it is important to have your degree as a backup if, God forbid, anything happens to you. Additionally, some guys are not ready for the pros after one year, whether it be the NBA or the NFL.
    As I said before, I am not much of a college basketball fan. I’m sure the fact that I am a USC Trojan alum has to do with part of it (Our only real tradition comes from Harold Miner and OJ Mayo and Demar DeRozan). And another part is that I think there is a huge disconnect between the speed and talent of the NBA with the NFL. And that has to do with the one and done rule. It was worse when you didn’t even need to do college (LeBron, Kobe, etc.) I do remember one Trojan forward, Davon Jefferson, from a few years back. Had some promise, but needed a lot of fine tuning, and he just left after a year. He’s nowehere now (or at least not that I know of)

  57. papabush88 says: Mar 14, 2012 3:28 PM

    Did I leave out Brian Scalabrine from my USC basketball greats?!?! He maintains the warmest bench in all of the NBA!

  58. thegamecocker says: Mar 14, 2012 3:35 PM


    The three year rule they use in baseball is better than what they have now IMO. I am a huge fan of the Trojans and have always liked them. They did no deserve the NCAA ruling they rec’d. The Ohio State University did far worse and received far less punishment than USC. The NCAA is messed up and they should be disbanded and re-organized into something much less political than what they currently are.

  59. thegamecocker says: Mar 14, 2012 3:38 PM

    Scalabrine was and will always be a fan favorite. At Southern Cal, he was a great shooter. Not good….GREAT! What about Paul Westphal? He is another USC All-America! C’mom Papa, take the meds so you can remember….

  60. papabush88 says: Mar 14, 2012 3:51 PM

    Appreciate the respect, gamecocker. Trojans are hated by many, which is fine, but some of those people also don’t give them a lot of respect, which is not fine.
    Forgot about Westphal. But in LA, UCLA is the basketball school, and USC is the football school (except both UCLA and USC basketball are currently terrible). And if you look back, whenever USC had one of their better teams (Miner, Mayo, Westphal), UCLA, at the time, would have their best teams, which were better than USC’s. Bad timing I guess. It was like, “Yes! We have Mayo and Taj Gibson.” Except UCLA had Love and Westbrook and Mbah a Moute (whatever the spelling is)

  61. florida727 says: Mar 14, 2012 4:26 PM

    For all those stating that because college football is big business, the athletes should be paid.

    NO, they shouldn’t. Simply put, here’s why…

    1) Their education is being paid for. Add up the 4 years. That’s a lot of student loans they do NOT have to pay off.

    2) They will get paid… if they’re good enough to make it to, in this case, the NFL. If not, they should have their education to fall back on. You know, the real reason they went to college.

    3) Where do you draw the line and how do you determine who gets how much? If a guy is a starter, he gets “x”, but if he’s third on the depth chart he only gets “y”? Do QBs get more than middle linebackers? What about if he plays in a BCS conference v. a non-AQ conference? Or what if he’s on a team that wins their division or conference title v. the guy who’s on a team with a losing record? We’re talking college football, but what about the tennis team or the gymnastics team?

    Yeah, good luck with that “paying the players” thing.

  62. dkhhuey says: Mar 14, 2012 4:37 PM

    Sorry – I heard way too much of this when OSU was being dragged through the mud. Find any ex player with an axe to grind and they will throw all kinds of accusations out knowing that the media will eat it up and they become relevant to the world of sports again. The vast majority of it turned out to be BS! Show the facts, prove your allegations, or STFU!

  63. cometkazie says: Mar 14, 2012 4:49 PM

    Remind me now: Is OSU Ohio or Oklahoma?

  64. cometkazie says: Mar 14, 2012 4:51 PM

    The “ducking” was somehow left off of my last post.

  65. Deb says: Mar 14, 2012 7:02 PM

    @cometkazie …

    dkhhuey is an Ohio State fan (the other “OSU” is Oklahoma State).

  66. thegamecocker says: Mar 14, 2012 7:06 PM


    Couldn’t agree more with you! Make EDUCATION the primary reason a student who happens to be good at a sport goes to college. Many of these kids just don’t get the valuable resource a college education is worth. That is why I think they should re-institute a player cannot be in the NBA until 4 years after his high school graduation. I realize that is not a popular position but it is how I feel nonetheless.

  67. papabush88 says: Mar 14, 2012 7:07 PM

    and yet another OSU is Oregon State

  68. thegamecocker says: Mar 14, 2012 7:12 PM


    Your coach played kids in a BCS Bowl that he knew were ineligible! They beat Arkansas in that game. Not only was TOSU put on probation, Tressel received either a 3 year or 5 year show cause order. Don’t remember the number of years but his was a coverup because without those players, TOSU would have most likely lost to Arkansas. The damage is done and now you need to live with it. One final thought: YOU STFU!!!!

  69. cometkazie says: Mar 14, 2012 7:35 PM

    Even with those players, they should have lost to Arkansas!

    I agree about the 4y thing. Look at UKy’s team this year. Imagine what it could be if the kids didn’t leave for the NBA?

    Centre College, our local Div. III school, has enjoyed a certain amount of athletic success and it’s ranked in the academic polls, too. Would that all NCAA sports were like Div. III.

  70. goblue714 says: Mar 14, 2012 7:35 PM

    I believe him, what a better source than an athlete. Cam newtons father admitted to seeking money and cam just mysteriously switched his commitment, it doesn’t add up. Coaches are under alot of stress to win, and sometimes cheating helps you win. I think every big time program has some cheating going on somewhere.

  71. Deb says: Mar 14, 2012 9:49 PM

    @goblue714 …

    Of course, you believe him :roll: But the fact remains that he’s a UNC guy mad at the world for what his school has been caught doing and trying to deflect somewhere else. Where better than the SEC? Because guys like you are always ready to smear the SEC … eventhough we all know “ever big-time program has come cheating going on somewhere”–including yours.

  72. cometkazie says: Mar 14, 2012 10:12 PM

    He also doesn’t seem to be doing anything in the NFL.

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