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FSU board ‘unanimously in favor of seeing what Big 12 might offer’

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Oh boy.  Here we go.  Again.

Rumor and speculation has bubbled just below the surface for weeks connecting Florida State — and Clemson to some degree as well — to a potential move to the Big 12.  Such smoke has been dismissed by most national observers as well as the school’s athletic department, with athletic director Randy Spetman issuing a statement just yesterday attempting to quash the speculation.

“We’re in the ACC. We’re committed to the ACC,” Spetman said in the statement. “That’s where our president and the board of trustees has committed to, so we’re great partners in the ACC.”

Yeah, about that whole “board of trustees being onboard with the ACC as a great partner” thing…

In an exclusive interview with WarChant.com, FSU Board of Trustees chairman Andy Haggard blasted the ACC and its recently-negotiated television deal, skewering the league for retaining its third-tier media rights for basketball while giving them away for football.  Perhaps most damaging to both the ACC and FSU’s credibility, though, is Haggard publicly hiking up his university’s skirt and openly courting some heavy petting from the Big 12.

“How do you not look into that option,” asked Haggard. “On behalf of the Board of Trustees I can say that unanimously we would be in favor of seeing what the Big 12 might have to offer. We have to do what is in Florida State’s best interest.”

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So, in one fell swoop, Haggard has not only undermined his current conference, but, perhaps more importantly, he’s undermined the very public words of the head of his own athletic department.

It should be noted that, the website writes, “Haggard confirmed that as far as he knows there has been no contact between FSU and the Big 12 regarding possible expansion.”  Based on Haggard’s very public rebuke of both the ACC and Spetman, he’d better hope that changes at some point in the future.

The new TV agreement reached between ESPN and the ACC would pay each conference member an average of $17 million annually over the life of a contract that will run through the 2026-2027 academic year.  Such an arrangement would put the ACC behind but near the payouts for the Big 12 ($20 million) and Pac-12 ($22 million) but well behind the Big Ten (gazillions) and SEC (gazillions once its deal is tweaked in the coming months).  As football is the driving force behind the mega-TV deals, and the product the ACC puts on the field Saturdays’ in the fall is undeniably inferior to the four aforementioned conferences, the compensation ACC members will receive falls very much in line when compared to the rest of the market.

Still, despite the obvious lack of football prowess contributing to a smaller bottom line, Haggard simply can’t wrap his head around his school’s current conference kowtowing to a state a little bit further north and a sport centered in the same region.

“It’s mind-boggling and shocking,” said Haggard. “How can the ACC give up third tier rights for football but keep them for basketball? …

“It continues the perception that the ACC favors the North Carolina schools.”

Add it all up, and what we have here is a complete and utter mess for both the ACC and FSU thanks to Haggard’s decision to come out with both lips blazing.  We’ll be anxiously awaiting responses from conference commissioner John Swofford and Spetman, if they come at all.

Until then, strap in.  It appears were might be on the verge of a third-straight offseason of expansion.

Yippie?!?

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  1. YouMadCauseImStylingOnYou says: May 12, 2012 4:11 PM

    How about FSU stops losing games to Wake Forest before they complain about the TV deal the ACC gets?

  2. centexhorn says: May 12, 2012 4:18 PM

    Yippee? Hell yeah, yippee. The Big 12 needs FSU. It would be a home run. No, more than a home run. It would be an out of the park grand slam, because it would cause a snowball effect. If FSU comes, other schools come, too.

    The ACC doesn’t care, though. He’s absolutely right. They don’t care about FSU or football. They only care about basketball and they’re indignant and arrogant about it. It’s almost like they’re daring FSU to leave and betting that they won’t. Welp, your chips are in, ACC. You better hope you’re right!

  3. mizzou28 says: May 12, 2012 4:37 PM

    So FSU is not happy the ACC is placing basketball first. Yet the Big 12 places Bevo, and now OU above the other 8 members.

    If FSU goes to the Big 2 Little 8 conference, nothing will change. ESPN is not going to give you 300 million like they gave Texas. Texas is not going to get ESPN to cut you a check like they did for OU.

    All I am saying is, either stay and deal with it, or be miserable in the Big 2 Little 8. Is 3-5 million going to buy you happiness while serving Texas’ every want and urging sexual desire?

    Oh and to top that off the Big 12 contract wont jump up a lot. Because A) adding 2 more schools takes less pie away from the previous 10 (more specifically the little 8) and B) FSU and Clemson are not going to steal SEC viewership’s in SEC territory. Hint FSU and Clemson are in SEC territory.

  4. whoisedgy says: May 12, 2012 4:54 PM

    Go big, Big 12! FSU, Louisville, Clemson, and BYU.

  5. thecrazyasianinseccountry says: May 12, 2012 4:57 PM

    I would love for Clemson and FSU to join SEC but I think Georgia and Florida got something to say about that

  6. rollteal says: May 12, 2012 5:24 PM

    That’s the only reason FSU, GT & Clemson can’t join the SEC is because of the “gentlemen’s agreement “

  7. txstatebobcats1868 says: May 12, 2012 5:29 PM

    whoisedgy says:May 12, 2012 4:54 PM

    Go big, Big 12! FSU, Louisville, Clemson, and BYU.

    Might as well grab notre dame and cincinatti/boise state and make it 16

  8. Deb says: May 12, 2012 5:31 PM

    @thecrazyasian …

    Yeah, Alabama/Auburn, Miss/Miss St, and Tenn/Vandy can handle having two teams in their state. But Florida and South Carolina … ooh, perish the thought!

  9. kansasbig12pride says: May 12, 2012 5:31 PM

    Everyone needs to remember, Unless the school tell the ACC they are planning on leaving the ACC, they cannot publicly state they are in talks with another conference. It is against the contract rules of the conferences. That is why none of them have said publicly that they know anything. The rumors say that FSU has sent a booster and an attorney to talk to the Big 12. That would be legal, but sending school officials to talk to the Big 12 without telling the ACC that they plan on leaving is against the rules.

    That is the main reason why school AD’s say they are committed when in reality, they are wanting out.

  10. Deb says: May 12, 2012 5:34 PM

    drummerhoff says:
    May 11, 2012 4:30 PM
    I remember the chatter when Miami to the ACC first started popping up … It was YEARS before it actually came to fruition … and the Miami Admin, namely Donna Shalala, was initally saying the samethings as FSU prez is saying today.

    Time will tell and next month’s meetings in Chicago will go along way in determining if the ACC is the next conference lamb to the slaughterhouse.

    ————————————————

    Well, drummerhoff … looks like you called it!

  11. 35longmiles says: May 12, 2012 6:01 PM

    And speaking of Miami, the possible dilution of the ACC will warm my heart as there is nothing better than seeing Miami get screwed at every turn. Karma bitches.

  12. mountaineer50415 says: May 12, 2012 6:06 PM

    One thing is for sure. If FSU changes to the Big 12 I hope they have to cancel a game or two. I also hope someone sues them. What goes around always comes around.
    I for one am not looking forward to having them in the best conference. Go to the Big East or the Big 10. Take Notre Dame with you, but do not come to the Big 12.

  13. rsmeans says: May 12, 2012 6:17 PM

    Well the ACC did not negotiate a good deal in that Nielsen ratings shows that the ACC draws more football fans to a game than the Big 12 in both the years of 2010 and 2011. The Big 12 is a declining conference while the ACC is a conference on the rise. The Big 12 had a good bowl year last year but two bowl winners have moved to the SEC and the Year before the Big 12 was 3-5 and during the BCS years has been number six in bowl winning percentage. See http://www.secsportsfan.com/top-college-football-bowl-conference.html#ixzz1ufqUeKvz and http://www.slideshare.net/ceobroadband/state-of-the-media-2011-year-in-sports-11339432

  14. huskerzfan says: May 12, 2012 6:56 PM

    Time to segregate from the FBS and the NCAA, and create a new BCS division for college football.

    Elitism? Sure. However, to say that teams from the MAC, Sun Belt, WAC, Conference USA, and MWC play on an equal playing field is completely absurd.

    Elite programs from the SEC/Big 10/Big 12/Pac 12 can easily afford to pay more than the $2k stipend that was recently up for a vote. Question is, should that number actually be increased? Certainly the power teams can afford much much more. Why even try to create an illusion of parity in college football when it simply doesn’t exist?

    Yes, there are many arguments against this type of division. Many of those that pertain to the other sports that colleges offer, and how conferences would align for those other sports.

    Especially basketball.

    However, with the big business that has become college football, and the number of Athletic Departments that absolutely thrive off of the almighty dollar that the football programs bring in, it is also very likely that even more money could be flowing in by separating into a new division.

    Break into a 64 team divison of 4 Super Conferences, and we have an already built in Final Four. The remaining 60 teams could then be eligible for bowl game pariticpation for as many bowl games as sponsors and sites would be willing to afford

    We could then see a single mega-contract for this BCS division that would likely go well into the Billions in each and every year among CBS/NBC/ESPN/FOX/numerous regional cable outfits, etc..

    Then again, maybe I’m off my rocker?

  15. huskerzfan says: May 12, 2012 7:19 PM

    @rsmeans:

    Well the ACC did not negotiate a good deal in that Nielsen ratings shows that the ACC draws more football fans to a game than the Big 12 in both the years of 2010 and 2011. The Big 12 is a declining conference while the ACC is a conference on the rise. The Big 12 had a good bowl year last year but two bowl winners have moved to the SEC and the Year before the Big 12 was 3-5 and during the BCS years has been number six in bowl winning percentage. See http://www.secsportsfan.com/top-college-football-bowl-conference.html#ixzz1ufqUeKvz and http://www.slideshare.net/ceobroadband/state-of-the-media-2011-year-in-sports-11339432
    __________________________________

    Bowl game wins are nice, but it is BCS bowl games that really measure the value of a conference.

    Since the existence of BCS bowl games the ACC is a dismal 2-13 since 1998. Take away FSU, and they are 1-8.

    While the ACC has a plethora of talent and a solid conference of teams from top to bottom, they rarely have produced many elite teams.

    You take away FSU, and the lone National Champ for the ACC since the exisence of the BCS, the ACC will have 0 National Champions to their name.

    The teams you really have to feel for are Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech if this deal comes to fruition for FSU. Miami has kind of dug their own grave with recent NCAA investigations and poor upper management. North Carolina has also been in the same boat.

    I hate to see this kind of thing continuing to happen, but as the Board of Trustees from FSU stated, they have to lookout for their own best interests. Those best interests could very well lead them towards moving to the Big 12.

  16. dmcgrann says: May 12, 2012 7:23 PM

    Jerry Falwell, Jr. says that Liberty’s done a feasibility study to go to BCS level. They could go with FSU to the Big 12, or maybe take their place in the ACC.

    Whatever. I’m rapidly beginning not to care.

  17. bertenheim says: May 12, 2012 9:12 PM

    The ACC is a basketball conference. FSU is irrelevant. And the SEC is going to come after VaTech and NC St, to complete its footprint in the Old Confederacy.

  18. fatfreddystubbs says: May 12, 2012 9:47 PM

    Regardless of what conference they end up in, I hope that somehow the FSU/Miami and FSU/Florida games go on.

    I’m a Penn State fan that grew up in Philly, and I love those rivalries, so if they mean something to me, I can’t imagine what they mean to fans and alums of those schools.

  19. Deb says: May 12, 2012 10:05 PM

    @dmcgrann …

    Liberty? Liberty? Good grief, we need fewer teams at the BCS level, not more. I didn’t even know Liberty had a football team.

  20. frug says: May 12, 2012 10:07 PM

    Just to clarify: ACC assoc commissioner Michael Kelly said no – zero – men’s bk games or fb games can be sold by individ schools— Jim Lamar (@Jim_Lamar) May 13, 2012

    Either the ACC administrators are lying or (more likely) the BOT was just given false information.

  21. drummerhoff says: May 12, 2012 10:28 PM

    @Deb

    Thanks for the props!

    There was too much smoke for there not to be a fire. We had FSU make (timely) public statements about reducing the budget; Clemson’s Advisory committee; the sub-par ACC TV deal; Jurich telling the BigEast they are looking at the Big12 and ACC; the ACC w/o a Grant of Rights (that would end all rumors); Delany’s secret playoff money distribution …

    FSU’s Board is taking control of the situation. That’s how these things work. That’s how college football at major schools always worked. The power is behind the curtain … and that’s why the ‘mainstream media’ was late to the game here (shot across the bow of BK & JT).

  22. Deb says: May 12, 2012 10:52 PM

    @drummerhoff …

    When Ben’s article posted, I thought the notion of FSU in the Big 12 was ridiculous. Didn’t take it seriously at all … until I read your comment about Miami. It gave me chills. When this article posted, your comment was the first thing I thought of. The lessons we learn (or should) from history …

  23. dmcgrann says: May 12, 2012 10:57 PM

    @Deb

    Didn’t know they had a team? Well, maybe not to the standards of the Crimson Tide or any of the other big boys, but there’s a pretty lively subculture of all of us “also-rans”.

    Yeah, Liberty’s got a fairly above-average FCS team and a newly-expanded 20,000 seat stadium that will be a 30,000 seat stadium by 2015, with capability to bring it up to around 60,000. Their new coach is Turner Gill, late of Kansas. Falwell, Sr.’s stated goal was to make it so that Liberty would be to Evangelical Christians what Notre Dame is to Roman Catholics – including sports. I’ve no doubt that they’ll try to go to BCS level in football, and I have no doubt they will have a hard time finding a place to let them in. But, that’s their problem.

    I understand schools on the ACC, Big East, and similar levels trying to move around in the current climate. What I don’t get is why current FCS schools would want to go crazy to join a C-USA or equivalent conference with BCS-level payoffs looming that might well kill off all of the minor bowl games – or at least, greatly diminish the amount of money they can pay to participants. But, nevertheless, we have JMU. ODU, AppState, Montana, Liberty, Georgia Southern, and perhaps others like Villanova considering the jump. I just don’t see any economic sense in it.

    My alma mater, the University of Richmond, made our football bed a long time ago. Back when I was in school, we tried our hardest at D-1 football, playing Wisconsin and such, coming close, but managing to get those feel-good victories from time-to-time against VT. When the NCAA made up the new rules regarding D-1 football, we could have tried to expand the stadium and such, but decided to go FCS (1-AA). We decided to have a stadium that can’t seat enough for FBS (9,700, though it could be expanded if we wanted to), and committed to endow the scholarship money to provide the maximum grants-in-aid. It’s still good football, it’s fun to watch, and we even send a payer or two to the NFL from time to time. :)

  24. thecrazyasianinseccountry says: May 12, 2012 11:51 PM

    @Deb…
    I’ve try to post six or seven comments with Mike Floiro today and none went through. Is that still censor or am I automatically banned once my name appears

  25. thecrazyasianinseccountry says: May 12, 2012 11:53 PM

    And all post were clean and fact a couple sounded like I was asking Flo want to bike riding one day

  26. deadeye says: May 12, 2012 11:54 PM

    “The ACC is a basketball conference. FSU is irrelevant. And the SEC is going to come after VaTech and NC St, to complete its footprint in the Old Confederacy.”

    =============================

    This is correct. VT is the most consistent football team in the ACC, and their culture is very similar to other SEC schools. It’s a perfect fit.

    NC State suffers from the little brother syndrome that drove TAMU into the SEC. NC State has a culture that would easily fit into the SEC.

    The SEC will finally have a school in both Virginia and North Carolina.

  27. frug says: May 13, 2012 12:01 AM

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/19030296/fsu-says-misinformation-spread-about-acc-contract

    Florida State University regrets that misinformation about the provisions of the ACC contract has unnecessarily renewed the controversy and speculation about University’s athletic conference alignment. Florida State respects the views of the Chair of its Board of Trustees that, of course, any university would examine options that would impact university academics, athletics or finances. At the same time, Florida State is not seeking an alternative to the ACC nor are we considering alternatives. Our current commitments remain strong.

    FSU prez admits that the BOT chair had no idea what he was talking about. FSU may have a beef with the ACC but the idea that they are getting a raw deal vis-a-vis Tier 3 rights is garbage.

  28. coolhorn says: May 13, 2012 12:16 AM

    This move of FSU and (probably) Clemson to the Big XII, if it happens, won’t be a drawn out process, but there won’t be any invitations offered to anyone until late summer, at the earliest. New Big XII commissioner Bob Bowlsby wants to make sure all ten teams currently in the Big XII are on the same page concerning expansion.

    That being said, that doesn’t mean FSU, Clemson, and at least two or three other schools don’t interest the Big XII. I think it’s safe to say there will be some back channel conversations going on between Dallas and Tallahassee in the next few weeks. Everything you hear and read though, until Bowlsby goes public with Big XII intentions, will just be internet speculation, no matter who is saying what right now.

    There should be no mistaking the fact that FSU and Clemson, and perhaps others, will be hearing from the Big XII. For those on the east coast holding out hope of an SEC offer for FSU, that conference wants to expand its’ footprint into Virginia and North Carolina, rather than adding second schools from Florida and South Carolina. The idea of the Big XII gaining a toehold in Florida and South Carolina (rightfully) doesn’t concern Mike Slive all that much.

    This is about to get real interesting, and it sure makes the off-season a lot more fun. Most of us who are fans of Big XII schools would love to see Florida State and Clemson come on over…they’d be welcome additions.

  29. wvucolumbus says: May 13, 2012 1:31 AM

    When Syracuse and Pitt announced they were departing the BEAST back in September, the remainder of the conference, including WVU, was thinking, “Here we go again”. Thankfully, we have a proactive AD who called the ACC and SEC a number of times. He even used his connections w/ Deloss Dodds (AD at Texas…..Oliver Luck went to law school at UT) and inquired about the Big XII. While the former 2 weren’t interested in adding an emerging football school, the Big XII was very interested and extended the invite. WVU fans were ecstatic because this meant a safe landing place (in a conference that just signed their media rights over to the conference for 6 years thus a guarantee of conference stability) from the dread of the Big East. However, AT THAT TIME WVU fans would have preferred the SEC (#1) and ACC (#2) before the far away land of Grapes of Wrath. Man, talk about how things change.

    It all started earlier this week when Dennis Dodd(s)? of CBS reported that the Big XII had signed a 2.6 billion/13 year agreement that included only the T1/T2 rights. College football pundits were very impressed. This guaranteed 20M annually per school….and there’s only 10 schools!! Therefore, the ability to grow this number is significant when you’re talking about expansion (adding teams increases the annual amount per team if it’s the right teams), conference championship game, etc. This conference could feasibly expand to 12 for a few years and then to 14, etc. and head back to the table w/ each step of expansion (w/ idea of added $ at each step). What great news if you were a Mountaineer fan, Sooner fan or Horned Frog fan. Then within 2 days the ACC announced the jaw-dropping deal with ESPN that unbelievably wasn’t roundly ridiculed from the beginning. The press release made it sound like the ACC had kept up w/ the Big 4……..hardly. In addition to the deal including the T3 rights the deal is extremely backloaded and there will not be an increase in $$ from the prior deal until 2021.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf–florida-state-trustee-sparks-firestorm-with-desire-to-join-big-12.html;_ylt=AqbhxMYKJFDfTTK34wMIDF8LcykA;_ylu=X3oDMTFsYmxwdDFlBG1pdANCbG9nIEluZGV4IGJ5IEF1dGhvcgRwb3MDMQRzZWMDTWVkaWFCbG9nSW5kZXhUZW1w;_ylg=X3oDMTFrODdzYXZuBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANhdXRob3IEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3

    How did this all go wrong? The ACC was the source of stability. It had academics. It had metro/research universities. It had large TV markets. It had the best b-ball conference in the land. Turns out, none of this mattered. The only thing that mattered is the one thing that has mattered all along………..football. If you want to be a great b-ball school/conference that is absolutely fine. Just don’t complain when you have conference instability ala the Providence Gang/Big East. College basketball doesn’t matter in terms of conference stability…..not even a little.

    WVU fans/alum are thanking our lucky stars we landed in the Big XII and not the ACC. I still think the conference will be absolutely fine. Great academics, great b-ball and its football is better than the Big East. It’s just that it won’t have the earning capacity of the Big 4. They still have room to grow (with Pac and B1G at 12 and Big XII at 10) and most importantly have great football.

    One thing is for certain……As of right now, WVU fans would NOT rather be in the ACC than the Big XII. Our fans don’t mind being grouped academically w/ Iowa St, Oklahoma and Texas Tech. We are content with playing Kansas, Texas, and KState in basketball. And we REALLY are looking forward to our football Saturdays beginning in 3-4 months.

  30. coolhorn says: May 13, 2012 11:26 AM

    It’s very likely that the ACC ultimately will need to replace at least four of its’ programs, and possibly more. The dollars just don’t add up compared to the big four conferences, and the scales are tilted too far toward basketball and the Tobacco Road schools. Anyone who doesn’t believe Florida State and Clemson are unhappy, and interested in moving over to the Big XII obviously hasn’t visited any of their blog sites. Yes, I know, they’re just blog sites and fans’ opinions, but if you don’t believe fans’ opinions matter, just check in with the administrators at Texas Agricultural and Mechanical college.

    The only place that realistically will be left for the ACC to poach teams will be the Big (L)east. If I’m UConn, Rutgers, Louisville, and a couple of other teams I can think of, I’m actually hoping like crazy for some ACC defections to the Big XII. That would allow the ACC to consolidate itself into what it has been all along, a basketball conference that plays at football. Basketball is much bigger on the east coast than other parts of the country, where football is king. The ACC might as well play to their strengths, and forget about winning any crystal footballs.

  31. Deb says: May 13, 2012 2:45 PM

    @dmcgrann …

    Sorry … that was a swipe at Liberty. I respect FCS football, and like you, can’t understand why so many of those teams are determined to jump to Division IA when they’re not financially or academically equipped to compete at that level. And as an evangelical myself, I’ve never been able to understand the elder Falwell’s obsessive ambitions. Our mission as Christians has nothing to do with being competitive in secular schools, sports, or politics. Apparently in his drive to succeed, he just skimmed over a lot of Biblical text … or skipped it altogether.

  32. Deb says: May 13, 2012 3:07 PM

    @thecrazyasian …

    If you hit submit and your comment appears on the screen, then you go back later and it’s gone, you’ve been censored. If you can’t log in, you’ve been banned.

    Each moderator has a style and some pick on different things. Some of them will censor anything off-topic, anything rambling, any personal comment to Florio–like an invitation to go bike-riding ;) I used to have almost every comment censored on Fridays. Or it would be almost impossible to get a comment posted during the day, but I could say just about anything after 6 p.m. with no problem. The other day I had four out of five comments censored in an hour. I re-submitted them and three were posted.

    None of it makes much sense. About a year ago, I exchanged e-mails with one of the moderators. At that time, they were college interns and new ones rotated through the job about every six months. My guess is that a new intern has just come in and that’s why it’s getting tough again.

  33. Deb says: May 13, 2012 4:28 PM

    @thecrazyasian …

    Yeah, there’s definitely a nut on duty over there :D

  34. coolhorn says: May 13, 2012 6:13 PM

    Deb, a quick question for you, since you’re an SEC type…is Slive targeting the states of Virginia and North Carolina for any future expansion, or is the SEC planning on sitting at 14 teams right now? It doesn’t affect what the Big XII does, but I’m curious how the confederacy plans to make the numbers work out.

  35. Deb says: May 13, 2012 10:17 PM

    @coolhorn …

    I’d expect the SEC to sit tight for a while, especially while decisions about playoffs and the future of the BCS are being made. That could change if the ACC implodes, but North Carolina and Virginia would also have academic considerations. The University of Virginia and UNC are ranked 2nd and 5th among U.S. public universities, and Duke is ranked 19th worldwide.

  36. coolhorn says: May 13, 2012 11:28 PM

    @ Deb…

    Thanks. I’ve read a few places how Slive can step in at the last minute and defuse Big XII expansion plans by graciously offering Florida State a place at the SEC table.

    Slive doesn’t know if the Big XII is gonna expand, or if it does, who gets invited. I also doubt he spends many sleepless nights worrying about the Big XII getting a foot in the Florida door with FSU. I do get the idea that he’d like to cherry-pick the ACC for Va Tech and one of UNC, NC State, or Duke IF the SEC wants to get to sixteen. That would give your conference representation in all of the confederate states and access to a couple of big TV markets, which makes a lot of sense. I would think on Slive’s watch, if FSU were gonna get an invite, it would already have come, and I can’t think of anything that would whiz off the folks in Gainesville worse than the ‘Noles getting that invite.

    I looked at a couple of ‘Nole blog sites and a minority group of their fans seems to think the SEC is gonna come swooping in at the last minute and rescue them from the clutches of both the ACC and the Big XII. That just struck me as delusional.

  37. Deb says: May 14, 2012 12:48 PM

    @coolhorn …

    His hands are tied with FSU. Apparently there’s some kind of gentlemen’s agreement with the Universities of Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina that the SEC won’t expand in those states. I’m not sure if that agreement extends to LSU as well. Tulane and Georgia Tech were once members of the SEC.

    That’s why I posted the (unpopular ;) ) comment above about Florida and South Carolina being unable to share their state. To me, it’s childish. Alabama/Auburn and Ole Miss/Miss State are two of the best rivalries in the SEC. UF and SC should do whatever’s best for the conference. If that means admitting FSU and Clemson, then so be it. Of course, Slive could still bring in FSU, but it would take some wrangling. I don’t think the other schools would want to go against Florida. But the SEC would be a better fit for the Seminoles than the Big 12.

    Don’t know where my mind went before–completely forgot about Virginia Tech. Yes, that would be a good option for expanding into Virginia. How is NC State’s football team? I always think of North Carolina as basketball country.

  38. readyfred says: May 14, 2012 4:17 PM

    What a shame! I actually hope this happens. Then in 6 years, UT, OU and Co. leave for the Pac 12. Then it’s FSU playing Iowa State and KSU and Kansas and WVU every year. That will be hilarious. WVU might fill your stadium. Look FSU, there’s a reason aTm and Mizzou left the Big 12. The instability beyond 6 yrs in that conference is staggering. The grass is always greener…over the septic tank!

  39. secfangirl says: May 19, 2012 10:00 AM

    I don’t for one minute believe there is a “gentlemen’s agreement”. That is a lie fans of Clemson, GA Tech and FSU tell themselves because the SEC doesn’t want them.

    Ga Tech was a charter member of the SEC and will never get invited back. FSU had an invite to the SEC but was told to wait one year. They jumped the gun and joined the ACC. Until recently their fans bragged about what a great decision it was and how they didn’t need the SEC. Well how did that work out for you?

  40. Deb says: May 19, 2012 3:07 PM

    @secfangirl …

    I said “apparently” there’s a gentlemen’s agreement because that’s what others claiming to be “in the know” have repeatedly posted here. As an Alabama fan with a cross-state rival in Auburn, the idea that two SEC teams can’t play in the same state doesn’t make a lick of sense to me, either.

    Selfishly, I wish we would invite Georgia Tech back, not only because they’re a stellar academic school, but because they’re referenced in the Alabama fight song, and it would be nice to give that lyric meaning again. :)

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