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Updated: PSU trustees reportedly plan to keep Paterno statue; spokesperson says not true

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As of Friday’s Penn State Board of Trustees meeting, there was no official decision over what to do with the statue of former coach Joe Paterno (along with other likenesses).

Privately, though, a decision appears to have been made — reportedly — and I would venture a guess that most, if not all, people outside Happy Valley will shake their collective heads if it turns out to be the case.

According to ESPN”s Outside the Lines, the university’s trustees have decided to keep Paterno’s statue outside Beaver Stadium standing, at least for the immediate future. However, some trustees hope to never tear it down.

From the report:

“You can’t let people stampede you into making a rash decision,” a trustee said. “The statue represents the good that Joe did. It doesn’t represent the bad that he did.”

Although some trustees said in discussions Thursday and Friday in board meetings in Scranton, Pa., they believed the statue eventually would have to be torn down, most quickly reached a consensus it should remain standing in the coming weeks and months, trustees and a person briefed on their discussions said. Some trustees went even further, insisting Paterno’s statue outside Beaver Stadium in State College, Pa., never should be removed.

“It has to stay up,” said another trustee. “We have to let a number of months pass, and we’ll address it again. But there is no way, no way. It’s just not coming down.”

However, a PSU spokesperson later stated “Contrary to various reports, neither the Board of Trustees nor University Administration has taken a vote or made a decision regarding the Joe Paterno statue at Beaver Stadium.”

There have been numerous cries to take down Paterno’s statue in the immediate aftermath of the Freeh report. Among those in favor of a removal is former Florida State coach and a longtime friend of Paterno, Bobby Bowden

But OTL reports that the request for patience by the BOT is a cover by some in hopes that, with the passage of time, the demands to remove Paterno’s statue will subside.

“They don’t get to tell us,” an anonymous source told ESPN. “This is a Penn State community decision.”

That’s true, and as I’ve said before, it’s a complex one given the totality of Paterno’s legacy.

Personally, though, I think it should come down.

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  1. thraiderskin says: Jul 15, 2012 1:17 PM

    you have to take it down… it stands for nothing more than a reminder to what he(joepa) didn’t do and shows the school’s lack of sympathy for what has come to light. PSU needs to separate themselves from this scandal ASAP.

  2. pgh75 says: Jul 15, 2012 1:26 PM

    Penn States BOT and administration is a total joke and disgrace to mankind. They dont get the point. Many children were victimized by Sandusky because nobody reported it and was enabled by Shultz, Curley, Spanier and Paterno. Take it down.

  3. geraldthecat says: Jul 15, 2012 1:31 PM

    I wonder what color it will be painted, or if there will be a statue security guard.

  4. stoutfiles says: Jul 15, 2012 1:40 PM

    It’d be like the Germans keeping up statues of Hitler and justifying it by saying he improved the economy.

  5. gotampabay52 says: Jul 15, 2012 1:48 PM

    take it down

  6. phillyfan21 says: Jul 15, 2012 1:50 PM

    Paterno did great things for the University… but his involvement in this case does not allow him the honor of this statue anymore.

    The comments of the BOT shows ” the Penn State Way” lives on.

    It’s a shame they still don’t get it.

  7. orthomarine says: Jul 15, 2012 1:53 PM

    In a footnote to that report, the BOT said keeping the statue up was to create jobs. In a related statement, PSU will be hiring 4 security guards.

  8. realitytaste says: Jul 15, 2012 1:54 PM

    At least, put it somewhere else where it’s not visible to the general public while you’re waiting for things to cool off (which is what I guess they’re doing),

    I agree that it’s insensitive. I suppose they too feel a need to process things and not be told what to do and feel,

    I’ve thought about this a lot and I conclude that Joe’s “ good” was fraudulent – just a way of building the Legend story he was working on for so long. But a person is judged not by what he does in the public eye (or what he figures might go there), but by what he does in private never expecting it will see the light of day. Or hit the news.

    I think we are now seeing the difference between the Public Joe and the Private Joe. The Private one trumps. Ugly. Been thinking about this “he did good” thing a lot. I don’t think it counts, since it was done for show. The very fact that we know about it, is proof of his intentions. Could it not equally well be said, that Sandusky did good too? In his case, I imagine his motives were purer. He DID love them. Just – the wrong way, as you know.

    But Joe was different. He figured they could never sing his glory and – most important – that these “no-account kids” could never hurt him. So he took the easy way out.

    FWIW after the first lie (1998), I guess he (and the others) felt they had to keep lying to protect their legal vulnerability from the first. Every kid was a potential lawsuit once Sandusky was reported,

  9. deadeye says: Jul 15, 2012 1:56 PM

    No surprise, I think the decision is based partly on a fear of the backlash from JoePa worshippers. After all the students could riot again.

    Here’s the issue though: whenever a person looks at a statue, the statue symbolizes (or immortalizes) whatever the predominant characteristic was of that person. So, non-PSU people see JoePa and think “callous, selfish, egotistical, control freak”. On the other hand PSU people look at it and think “Saintly, courageous, leader and molder of young men”. That’s why this is such a dilemma for the BoT.

  10. effjohntaylornorelation says: Jul 15, 2012 2:09 PM

    I feel the children victims should have a voice in he fate of the statue.

  11. effjohntaylornorelation says: Jul 15, 2012 2:15 PM

    @realitytaste

    I couldn’t agree with you more. Great post!

  12. geo1113 says: Jul 15, 2012 2:20 PM

    While I do agree with everyone in that the statue has to come down and I understand the logic of immediate removal, I think it is too soon to criticize the BOT. The shock is still there two days after. Having said that, PSU has a problem. The image they portrayed to the outside world was based on the integrity of the football program. Sure, I knew PSU was a good school. But the only time I ever heard of it was during football season. It isn’t like Stanford, Cal-Berkeley, or even Duke (who gets much notoriety froms its basketball team). Actually that leads me to another point. I wonder what the PSU people have done if a similar situation happened at Duke under Coach K in the basketball facility and not at PSU football facility.

  13. 11thstreetmafia says: Jul 15, 2012 2:35 PM

    They should just turn it around so it can ” look the other way.”

  14. houstonsimpleton says: Jul 15, 2012 2:38 PM

    The so-called ‘good that Paterno did’ only happened because he knowingly empowered Jerry Sandusky’s perversion. Who believes Sandusky suddenly became a pedophile in 1998 — after starting up Second Mile in 1972 — and who believes the McQuearys and janitors and other signs weren’t happening all along over the course of 40 years, with coaches, players, and staff interacting daily with him?
    The so-called ‘good’ was only made possible by the ongoing molestation of those boys.
    And PSU wants to honor that, while its students protest his exposure.
    Guh.

  15. phillyfan21 says: Jul 15, 2012 2:43 PM

    Geo1113 – I understand you may think it is too soon to criticize the BOT and you maybe right, at least the BOT as a whole. However they have had since November to think about this playing out the way it did. They had to have known what the report may have uncovered.

    To read some BOT members are quoted as saying the statue will never come down, plays right into what the Freeh report describe as the Penn State Way. How they can not see how inappropiate keeping that statue up is beyond me.

    Change in culture takes time, I understand that, but change has to start somewhere. To me this is an obvious starting point and sends a clear message that other changes are forthcoming.

    I do not think it is too soon for the BOT to take action as this should have been their number one focus since November.

  16. dirtyharry1971 says: Jul 15, 2012 2:45 PM

    Personally im happy they are leaving it up, heck i hope they put one up of sandusky while they are at it. This way nobody will forget in the future what a lousy university penn state is and parents who love their kids wouldnt send them to such a place. Let it stand as a reminder of what penn state really is

  17. cometkazie says: Jul 15, 2012 2:55 PM

    What can we onlookers who have no vested interest in PSU do if those in power don’t do the right thing, besides running our collective mouths on fora like this?

    We have absolutely zip in the way of influence or importance, except in our own minds.

    I think the institution needs to be punished for letting this go on.

    I really don’t know what an appropriate punishment would be, but it has to hurt their pocketbook, bottom line.

    I can imagine the signs that are going to be in the stadia when they play this fall. Actually, I’m kinda looking forward to it. I also bet TV shows them a lot as people will tune in for that reason.

    Never a dull moment. . . .

  18. whoisedgy says: Jul 15, 2012 2:55 PM

    …And we shouldn’t let the murder of two people muddy the fact that OJ Simpson had a great career.

    Same reasoning applies here, right?

    The citizens of Pennsylvania should insist that the statue be removed and the football program be shut down for a year.

  19. geo1113 says: Jul 15, 2012 2:56 PM

    @phillyfan21,

    Even though they had time, they didn’t want to believe the worst. It’s called denial and having seen some drug addicts and alcoholics in my day that is why I said what I said. But your point is a worthy one.

    When I initially started my post (which ended up going in a different direction) I was going to mention the one trustee quoted who said the statue will never come down. What a hypocrite. In one breath, s/he says the matter needs to be revisited and, in the next, says it will never come down.

    Nevertheless, I do believe they will eventually take it down.

  20. phillyfan21 says: Jul 15, 2012 2:58 PM

    Dirtyharry1971 I could not disagree with you more. From an education standpoint, PSU is a first class institution. Once the BOT and the campus at large fully understand that they will survive and thrive based on what they offer academically, will they finally put this scandel behind them.

    PSU needs to become a University that has a football team and not a Football team that has a University.

  21. electionconfidential says: Jul 15, 2012 3:08 PM

    This is one more reason the Penn State football program should get the death sentence from the NCAA. They are unrepentant. They think their football legacy trumps the raping of young boys.

    With this mind set among the trustees you can believe that this same horrific behavior will recur over and over again because at PSU “Just win Baby!” means even at the expense of ruined lives and raped children.

    I curse this institution. I don’t even want to know people that went there. It’s rotten to it’s very core and this article shows that.

  22. hopalongcrc1 says: Jul 15, 2012 3:21 PM

    @phillyfan21

    Your very cogent enlightened insight will hopefully get through to the Penn State alums, students, and campus leaders to preserve what has been an outstanding university long before Joe Paterno, Jerry Sandusky, and the university trustees that did not properly maintain the trust of the victim vistors on campus, the public interest, or all loyal to Penn State.

    What is gained by not dismissing the irresponsible individuals maintaining the denial and cover up.

    Perhaps, Penn State should have a new title for their decision making body, lack of trustees?

  23. mgavin78 says: Jul 15, 2012 3:29 PM

    They should tear down the stadium as well.

  24. hopalongcrc1 says: Jul 15, 2012 3:31 PM

    Dirtyharry1971

    Why not put the Joe Pa with the Sandusky statue on tour with the football teams and to other fundraining and highly visible public events to celebrate the Penn State child molestation program?

    Would the Joe Pa loyal start to get a touch of reality and get out of denial by parading the cult addiction out into the public arena?

    Please shut it down, let the campus heal. Pennsylvania is a great state, the University is first class, their is an awesome amount of football and academic talent. The impact of continued celebration of child mosesting football program is not in the interest of anyone, especially the victims.

  25. washstnative says: Jul 15, 2012 3:32 PM

    Ok Penn State, wipe your plexiglass navel off and look around!
    You are now the most disgusting and reviled football program in the country.
    The recent decisions you have made come from a program/university in denial.
    You should voluntarily shut down your program and focus on cleaning out the evil that pervades ‘Happy’ Valley…

  26. ghengy says: Jul 15, 2012 3:41 PM

    Well you had to expect this. And all you clowns screaming the loudest, with the least information to work with, for tearing down this and that, or killing the football program would be surprised to find that you are in the minority according to ESPN polls. Sorry.

  27. tundra11 says: Jul 15, 2012 3:44 PM

    Penn State has a decision to make…

    Do they want to be known as Pedophile State University? That is what they will be known as if they stay this course of defending Joe Paterno and leave the statue up and continue to play football.

    Do they want to be known as Penn State University? Tear down the statue, completely replace the entire board of trustees with people that are total outsiders, and suspend football indefinitely.

    The choice is theirs. Which PSU do they want to be?

  28. abninf says: Jul 15, 2012 3:47 PM

    Young boys were raped by a middle aged gay pedophile, Paterno knew and let it continue and some actually want a statue of him to remain? Mind boggling.

  29. dhpnyjets says: Jul 15, 2012 4:02 PM

    Not only must the statue come down, but Penn State must voluntarily exit from the 2012 season and impose its own “Death Penalty” on itself and withdraw from bowl contention for three years beyond that, minimally. This must all be done by a new administration that has no connection to the previous one. Penn State must continue as an institution for higher learning, but no longer through the good graces of the football program. Can’t make it work without it? Tough luck. Move on then. If it were me, I would change EVERYTHING. The logo, the colors. Destroying Paterno’s statue would be the first thing I would do, but certainly not the last. Happy Valley. What irony–was for some, not so much for others. Those survivors deserve every cent of the $100+ million. Tear it down and start over, State College.

  30. canetic says: Jul 15, 2012 4:05 PM

    They should keep the statue, but move his arm so that instead of his index finger pointing to the sky it should be placed over his lips.

  31. hopalongcrc1 says: Jul 15, 2012 4:09 PM

    herbiecane
    abninf

    Mindboggling is an understatement. I agree with you on a cognitive and an emotional level.

    I can not understand why anyone would be in favor of statues honoring leaders of a program of any kind that celebrates 60 year old men raping 10 year old boys. Unbelievable.

  32. bunnymen808 says: Jul 15, 2012 4:13 PM

    “You can’t let people stampede you into making a rash decision,” a trustee said. “The statue represents the good that Joe did. It doesn’t represent the bad that he did.”

    Sorry, Penn St., but the bad trumps all of the good that he did.

    Get a clue.

  33. latrobe21 says: Jul 15, 2012 4:13 PM

    The BoT is finally showing some balls. It should stay up. If it offends you, stay away from it! If you worship Joe, make your pilgrimage to it the 6 or 7 football Saturdays in the fall. I pass it every game because of where I park. I’m sure I’ll be drawn to it for a game or two this fall to reflect on the good and bad of Joe’s tenure, realizing that there is good and bad in all mankind. Then I’ll pass it like I do, now.

  34. agc99 says: Jul 15, 2012 4:19 PM

    TAKE IT DOWN!!!!

  35. dhpnyjets says: Jul 15, 2012 4:20 PM

    Obscene. You pay only respect to the memory of your hero and none to the victims HE engendered by his lack of doing ANYTHING. Disgusting. That is EXACTLY the attitude the administration used in justifying their inaction. Let me ask you something–can those victims just look the other way when something reminds them of the abuse at the hands of a monster that Paterno let loose on them?

  36. papichulo55 says: Jul 15, 2012 4:44 PM

    Penn State receives money from the taxpayers of Pennsylvania. The decision to keep the statue should be decided via a state-wide referendum.

    Bye-Bye statute!

  37. Elle says: Jul 15, 2012 4:47 PM

    The statute should come down, but the football players shouldn’t be punished with an NCAA death penalty. It was their coaches and their athletic directors who decided to screw things up, not the players.

  38. bouwel92 says: Jul 15, 2012 4:52 PM

    Look say what yall want, regardless of what has been unfolding. You gotta keep the statue, because no matter what hes done you caint take it away from his coachin career he won those games fair and square, and you caint take that away from his legacy.

  39. dhpnyjets says: Jul 15, 2012 4:53 PM

    I am sorry, but the football program should be shut down and retooled entirely. The players should get penalty-free eligibility to transfer to any program that wishes to recruit them. If they are good players, their transfer will be of minimal consequence to their future as compared to staying at State College…

  40. vikesfansteve says: Jul 15, 2012 4:55 PM

    JoePa covered it up in 98 but Sandusky’s perversion was taking place for many years prior to that. In wouldn’t be acknowledged by Paterno who just wanted to cover his own legacy. There is not legacy anymore except that of a pedophile’s enabler. Tear it down. Paterno is forever tarnished.

  41. dhpnyjets says: Jul 15, 2012 4:55 PM

    @bouwel92: Yeah? Tell that to the victims–did they LOSE fair and square? Huh? Did they?

  42. Dave Fouchey says: Jul 15, 2012 4:56 PM

    Add a Blindfold and Gag to it, put his hands over his ears and turn it around, The TRUE Joe Pa: I See Nothing, I Say Nothing. I hear Nothing.

  43. ravenseattheirownpoop says: Jul 15, 2012 4:56 PM

    It just goes to show you the mentality these idiots have. I live 30 minutes away from state college, and have been dealing with their delusional fans and culture. They can do no wrong! Just a bunch of egotistical idiots. This is just more evidence of the mentality of these morons. We Are Peda State

  44. Deb says: Jul 15, 2012 5:03 PM

    The Board of Trustees is as much responsible for what happened at Penn State as any member of the Administration, Athletic Department, or coaching statff. It’s been clear for the last several days they lack the moral courage to do what’s best for the educational institution entrusted to their oversight. But if they weren’t bumbling Sgt. Schultzes who let all this happen on their watch, the school wouldn’t be in this situation.

    As Penn State pays out millions in judgments then has to answer to lawmakers for its financial malfeasance, watches enrollment decline, and likely faces the Death Penalty, perhaps it will begin to dawn that this is bigger than a statue. But I doubt it.

  45. djstat says: Jul 15, 2012 5:06 PM

    Disgraceful!!!

  46. imaduffer says: Jul 15, 2012 5:08 PM

    Leave the statue up as a reminder of how the system ( college athletics’s ) has failed society.

  47. dannythebisforbeast says: Jul 15, 2012 5:16 PM

    At least I’m right about the board and at best how clueless they are. Nothing they decide should be private. IMO they knew about Sandusky but thy don’t have the big names to tear down.

  48. dannythebisforbeast says: Jul 15, 2012 5:23 PM

    Personally I believe te lasch building should be torn down. Its more disgusting where the rapes took place then paternos statue. Maybe you should tear down the DAs office too because they decided not to charge Sandusky.

  49. gingerkid2000 says: Jul 15, 2012 5:23 PM

    Great going BOT. Now the rest of the country will always remember “Penn State Football. Brought to you by NAMBLA.” because you guys can’t swallow your pride long enough to remove the reminders to the entire country of what a monster did and what he was allowed to do. Any chance of this blowing over are slim to none and the students who will have to deal with the constant harassment have you all to thank.

  50. nofunleague says: Jul 15, 2012 5:33 PM

    “The statue represents the good that Joe did. It doesn’t represent the bad that he did.”

    Well no, the statue represents the man, who did good and bad, and the bad will no at last the good. He tried to repress the bad to maintain his power and I am sure vandals will cause it to come down because the school will not be able to protect it.

  51. survivorvoiceofreason says: Jul 15, 2012 5:34 PM

    You see, for anyone who has been and survived childhood sexual abuse (or any other type), this statue serves as a reminder that a lot of adults don’t respond appropriately when they become aware of the abuse.
    Therefore, it is aggregiously insensitive of the Penn State Board to leave that statue in place. It has become a symbol unto itself of the denial that can and does take place with regard to pedophilia.
    So for crying out loud, take it down, and consider that only a first step toward the retribution needed for these victims!
    Yesterday, I felt that the death penalty was too harsh. The board has entirely changed my mind.

  52. papichulo55 says: Jul 15, 2012 6:00 PM

    Auction the statute, with the proceeds going to a fund to help child abuse victims.

    “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even
    when they exercise influence and not authority…”

  53. bubba703 says: Jul 15, 2012 6:01 PM

    The only way that statue should remain is if they add a few statues of pre-teen boys being stomped on beneath Joe’s feet.

  54. harbourimages says: Jul 15, 2012 6:20 PM

    Perhaps the sculptor could fashion a blindfold over JoePa’s eyes on the statue since he did seem to turn a blind eye to what was happening. That way the PSU faithful could still have their statue, but it would then be more representative of how the man lived his life….

  55. blastfurnaceknows says: Jul 15, 2012 7:02 PM

    “They don’t get to tell us” should be inscribed at the bottom of the statue, be made the new PSU motto, and be incorporated into all school literature that goes out to prospective students. At least that is an honest representation of the PSU community’s “way” when it comes to

    “They don’t get to tell us” should be inscribed at the bottom of the statue, be made the school’s new motto, and incorporated into all school literature that goes out to all prospective students. At least that is an honest representation of how the school responds when faced with a decision between doing what’s right and looking the other way.

    The “PSU way” = nothing and no one is bigger than our football program.

    I’d say it is shameful, but I have come to the conclusion that PSU people are incapable of that emotion.

  56. showerswithsandusky says: Jul 15, 2012 7:17 PM

    If they leave that statue up then it’s game on. I hope the team get harassed to point of criminal behavior whenever they go on the road. I hope they are greeted with signs saying “Go away you child ass raping fucks”. Boo them. Throw beer on them. Throw fucking rocks at the team bus. Take it down and people will be kind. Leave it up and get the shit rocked out of you. Leaving it up means you worship a monster who facilitated a child raper. Start from scratch PSU and put your shitty debacle behind you. It starts by ripping that statue down!

  57. jimsjam33 says: Jul 15, 2012 7:38 PM

    Take football away from the school . Then they can leave the staue at their stadium . What a bunch of idiots . Paterno did bad Board of Trustee’s . It only takes one awe shi* to erase a thousand atta boys ! Child Rape is a crime and being part of the coverup is just as bad . What a blackeye for the State of Pennsylvania .

  58. Spencer says: Jul 15, 2012 7:58 PM

    That there’s even a dilemma on whether or not to keep the statue is a disgrace. I’ve never seen a more willfully blind, tonedeaf football program and university.

  59. delfi2 says: Jul 15, 2012 8:08 PM

    It would be an insult to keep the statue in the same place with all of the words of praise littered around as well.
    If kept, this would be another “Penn State” decision that would be misguided and plain ol wierd.

    Can we get some new, competent decision makers at PSU? I mean. really. This is getting embarassing already.

    Do these folks have any awareness at all?!?

  60. delfi2 says: Jul 15, 2012 8:13 PM

    And….I am not done.

    An extortionist, conspirator, fraud, phony, and just plain evil. Um, yeah, lets leave this guys statue up…..smh

    PSU community = Crazy folks

  61. brianbosworthisstonecold says: Jul 15, 2012 8:20 PM

    There must be something in the water in PA.

  62. bobzilla1001 says: Jul 15, 2012 8:23 PM

    It’s disturbing that the media, both nationally and statewide, have rushed to judgment by accepting the Freeh report as gospel.
    The Freeh report doesn’t include a shred of evidence, stating repeatedly it formed its opinions based only on “reasonable conclusions.”
    Really?
    Mike McQueary was never interviewed for this report. Yet McQueary’s name is all over the place. Even the Sandusky jury discounted McQueary’s testimony, reducing the crime he claimed to have witnessed from rape to inappropiate touching.
    Louis Freeh was hired by the university’s trustees to justify the trustees’ unpopular decision to fire Joe Paterno. Freeh did just that… without any substantial proof after an alleged 8 month investigation.
    The American public is being hoodwinked by a lazy media, whose disinterest in the facts is allowing a coverup, the real coverup, to take place right under their/our noses.
    The statue should stay!!!

  63. latchbeam says: Jul 15, 2012 8:26 PM

    Death penalty

  64. undrdg79 says: Jul 15, 2012 8:35 PM

    Wow Penn St.
    Are your ego’s so out of control that you won’t allow yourselves to see the truth? That you’ll blame the world instead of the accomplices who are guilty of concealing such a heinous crime?
    Is there none among you who has the least amount of humanity in your soul to stand up against this type of behavior? Or any inclination to shout out against it?
    Your behavior has left a taste in my mouth so rancid and foul, I want to spit it upon you.
    Until you have the guts and character to stand up against these crimes, all of you are guilty because you indeed are looking the other way. I guess you learned well. Congratulations. Good luck in life with “Penn State” on your resume, because until you stand up collectively – student body, alumni, and administration, and declare yourselves apart from this crime, you are GUILTY.

  65. gooboy6 says: Jul 15, 2012 8:43 PM

    I thought the death penalty for football was too much until I read this. More evidence of the rot and decay in the Penn State heirarchy
    INNOCENT BOYS WERE RAPED AND PATERNO KNEW ABOUT IT AND DID NOTHING.
    HE IS A COWARD , great football coach sure, BUT A COWARD

  66. moochzilla says: Jul 15, 2012 8:57 PM

    When it comes right down to it, when you consider what will be remembered in 50 years…

    The ONLY significant, lasting, unique thing that JoePa EVER did in his life was let kids get raped so he could get famous and make money.

    It is his ONLY accomplishment of consequence in the grand scheme of things.

    At first, I wanted the statue torn down. But, just like in “Inglorious Basterds”, I want them to live with what they did – as a community – forever. And live with the shame it brings.

    So I want the statue MOVED to out in front of Old Main on campus. Where the admin offices are. With floodlights on it. Where everyone can see it, remember, and try to do right. A hairshirt for that entire community, to bear forever.

  67. moochzilla says: Jul 15, 2012 8:59 PM

    Paterno didn’t “do nothing”.

    He worked his rear off to protect Sandusky. He actively tried to shield him from justice, even permitting him to use the PSU football program as bait for new victims and the facilities as rape rooms.

    To say he “did nothing” is to give him a free pass.

  68. moochzilla says: Jul 15, 2012 9:03 PM

    PS – you can’t take football away because its the only reason the school exists.

    Taking football away from PSU would be like taking it away from the Patriots or Packers organizations. What the heck else would they do?

    I’m not even sure they have books on that campus.

    Death penalty for 2 / bowl ban for 3. Total re-do on the BOT. Refund PA taxpayers for the price of the Paterno $6M extortion deal and the cost of the statue.

  69. hopalongcrc1 says: Jul 15, 2012 9:20 PM

    Deb

    You are right. This is an issue of a magnitude that requires examination of the entire culture at Penn State. The Freeh report by a federal judge (how many individuals have reached that level of wisdom?) states as its first finding, “total and consistent disregard by the most senior leaders at Penn State for the safety and welfare of Sandusky’s child victims.” It recommends new employees, complete destruction of the existing culture, new systems of ethics and organization.

    Shame on the great state of Pennsylvania, if the entire Board of Trustees are not immediatedly replaced as recommended by the Freeh report to initiate a new culture. Penn State needs time to replace the entire structure, leadership, and culture of the university. A mere statue or playing football in the near future is not that important in the scope of things.

    CHILDREN ARE NOT SAFE ON THE PENN STATE CAMPUS.

    This is not negligence of the slip and fall variety.

    If the University of Ohio sends its football team and its followers wander onto the campus with children, they do so at their own peril according to a federal judge. The school and its leadership are not regarding their safety with any care.

    If the University of Virginia allows the Penn State football program on to its campus for the second game, it will be a disgrace to UVA, NCAA football, and to its fans that would rspect a culture that puts football victories over the safety for children from the Penn State football program molestation.

    Please give the Penn State the 5-10 years of no football, it will need to recover from the Sandusky atrocities for several decades at the highest levels.

  70. moochzilla says: Jul 15, 2012 9:21 PM

    Oh, and if you were the kind of amoral coach that would do all this – and it was lots of hard work over a long duration – in order to maintain your fame, prestige, reputation, and the status of your football program…

    …what WOULDN’T you do?
    ..what lengths WOULDN’T you go to?
    …what boundaries WOULDN’T you push?
    …what WOULDN’T you be able to rationalize?

    Fixing grades?
    Covering up date rapes?
    Glossing over on-campus fights?
    Player DUI’s?
    Illegal recruiting?
    Performance Enhancing Drugs?
    Paying players?
    Steering then to agents?
    Betting on games?
    Spy-Gate tactics?

    I mean, if you are such an amoral human being who is ONLY interested in winning and the fame and money it brings, everything I just mentioned is child’s-play when we contrasted with what we KNOW JoePa did…cover up for a child molester in his midst.

    I’d love to see an investigation of that program. It’s worse than SMU, Miami, Ohio State, USC – Combined.

  71. tomtravis76 says: Jul 15, 2012 9:27 PM

    When a school has to play at PSU, no visiting team fans should attend. When PSU plays away, none of that home teams fans should attend. Fans of college athletics need to send a message by having nothing to do with PSU football, until they understand just how awful this is. Schools should drop PSU from the schedule, no matter the payout. PSU football needs to go away for a few years.

    In college athletics besides segregation and sexism, this is the worst thing to ever happen in its history.

  72. tomtravis76 says: Jul 15, 2012 9:27 PM

    When a school has to play at PSU, no visiting team fans should attend. When PSU plays away, none of that home teams fans should attend. Fans of college athletics need to send a message by having nothing to do with PSU football, until they understand just how awful this is. Schools should drop PSU from the schedule, no matter the payout. PSU football needs to go away for a few years.

    In college athletics after segregation and sexism, this is the worst thing to ever happen in its history.

  73. 1sportschica says: Jul 15, 2012 9:43 PM

    There’s no separating Paterno the coach from Paterno the man. He was all about football, and he put football above child safety. What part of that doesn’t Penn state get? Why is there even a discussion? Remove anything to do with Paterno and shut down the program. Try and rebuild your reputation around academics for a change.

  74. icdogg says: Jul 15, 2012 9:44 PM

    Normally you never see these type of honors removed once placed. I mean, OJ Simpson is still in the Pro Football Hall Of Fame.

    The only thing like this I remember was when one of the Dupont heirs helped fund a basketball arena at Villanova, which was named after him, called the Dupont Pavillion.

    This is now just called The Pavillion because Dupont murdered the wrestler Dave Schultz in 1996.

  75. moochzilla says: Jul 15, 2012 9:45 PM

    They get it, and they agree with it.

    Football #1. All else isn’t even a blip on the radar.

  76. marisuleman says: Jul 15, 2012 9:47 PM

    I cannot imagine that it is an option to leave the statue up. I suggest they melt it down and create and replace it with statues of young boys looking confused and ignored – some literal and others more abstract to represent the known and unknown victims of a child predator – children that Paterno knew about but did nothing to protect.

  77. moochzilla says: Jul 15, 2012 9:48 PM

    ic – that’s a good point. I don’t believe you re-write history. No need to remove or asterisk JoePa’s records, or pretend he wasn’t a successful coach.

    I’m not asking they vacate the wins, as Temple did when Paul Palmer (gasp) took money. Although they did just that.

    But to celebrate the MAN in this way is, to me, completely shameful. He was a great coach. He was a poor excuse for human being. That needs to be recognized for them to move on.

  78. dkhhuey says: Jul 15, 2012 10:04 PM

    Glad to see ‘The Penn State Way’ hasn’t been diminished in any way shape or form just because of this little Joe Paterno enabled Sandusky to anally rape and sexually abuse small children for over a decade thingy. We are – Pedophile U!

  79. mtrymusic says: Jul 15, 2012 10:26 PM

    I grew up in PA. I wanted to play for PSU but was too small coming out of high school. Every year at the beginning of August, I would count down the days until kickoff. I believed in the “Grand Experiment” and was proud of the fact that all you could say bad of Joe was that he was too conservative and didn’t play his best players. I even thought I could still root for them this year because I knew the players and they were innocent in all of this. I thought that shutting down football would be symbolic and only punish those left behind that are trying to clean up the mess. If they leave up that statue, the NCAA needs to shut them down if only to send a message to the bot! They seem arrogant and out of touch. Let the players transfer – the good ones will flourish at other universities. I grew up watching O.J. play-I don’t know which is worse, him or Paterno? Michael Jordan, don’t let me down! You’re the only sports hero I have left that I still admire.

  80. brianbosworthisstonecold says: Jul 15, 2012 10:28 PM

    Maybe JoePa /Ped had an interest in young boys as well…

  81. bigbuckeye76 says: Jul 15, 2012 10:30 PM

    Death penalty.

  82. CJ says: Jul 15, 2012 10:38 PM

    There’s one solution that I haven’t seen mentioned anywhere that I think should be considered. Take it down, and auction it off within the PSU alumni/booster community with the proceeds going toward a charity that helps sexually abused children. After a few years pass, offer to either buy it back or have it donated back to the school (if appropriate), once the smoke clears and all the facts are out and we’re able to put the totality of Paterno’s legacy (good and bad) in perspective.

  83. dannythebisforbeast says: Jul 15, 2012 10:39 PM

    The boards a joke. Article on espn shows that several memebers knew of Sandusky investigation and did nothing. Same as what paterno is accused of. yet the former chairman refuses to resign. where are the pitchforks? spanier still being paid by the state of PA. Where are the pitchforks? Nowhere everyone too busy spitting on Paternos grave.
    attorney general,now governor took YEARS to charge Sandusky
    POLICE in 98 refused to charge Sandusky. why didn’t the freeh report try to determine why they didn’t charge him then when there appeared to be sufficient evidence? Was that Paternos power stopping that too

    So many things not addressed. The freeh report completely focused on 4 individuals and anyone else skates.

    this report did exactly what was intended to keep the collateral damage to a minimum. can say whatever you want about a dead man it’s pretty hard for him to defend himself.

  84. mz1383 says: Jul 15, 2012 10:54 PM

    Idiots.

  85. blackdonnelly says: Jul 15, 2012 11:52 PM

    Look, the vaunted legacy of one Joseph V Paterno got hammered to no end when that Freeh report came out, and there is no denying that. I, too, respected the man and his career as well as the great things he did for Penn State and college football in general. That has all been swept away by several momentary lapses of reason, not so much on JoePa’s part but others are to blame as well (the recently indicted as well as the recently convicted, for starters – there may be more yet) but even so, Coach Paterno was most certainly in a position of power and decision to do what the grand majority of us would refer to as “the right thing” as in reporting the allegations to authorities, and then following up. Well, as we all know now, that didn’t happen and a certain Sandusky was allowed to operate as one of the most heinous of criminals for quite a while.

    And now that the accused is looking at life plus half an eternity for his crimes, others need to own up to their own complicity and come clean. Of course, JoePa has conveniently joined the choir invisible so we won’t be hearing from him. His family needs to shut up and go to ground, and stay there. The board of trustees needs to be summarily clipped, no questions asked. In no way shape or form can I possibly continue to support Coach Paterno and his legacy. In time (they claim it heals all wounds) this may go away, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

  86. hopalongcrc1 says: Jul 16, 2012 12:19 AM

    You are right. The Freeh report holds the Board responsible. We need to give everyone time to read the report and reflect on the findings.

    Title of Report = Actions of the Penn State University Related to Child Sexual Abuse

    This is not about the isolated actions of 4 criminals that have been accused thus far. The report in its initial statement of findings states,

    “TOTAL (not partial) AND CONSISTENT (repeated over and over, not sometimes OK, sometimes bad) DIREGARD (those in charge knew and intentionally contributed to the continuing abhorent behavior) for the SAFETY AND WELFARE (PSU campus was a risky place)
    BY MOST SENIOR LEADERS (the bosses of the criminal 4).

    This is an issue of a magnitude that requires examination of the entire culture at Penn State. The Freeh report by a federal judge (how many individuals have reached that level of wisdom?) states as its first finding, “total and consistent disregard by the most senior leaders at Penn State for the safety and welfare of Sandusky’s child victims.” It recommends new employees, complete destruction of the existing culture, new systems of ethics and organization.

    Shame on the great state of Pennsylvania, if the entire Board of Trustees are not immediatedly replaced as recommended by the Freeh report to initiate a new culture. Penn State needs time to replace the entire structure, leadership, and culture of the university. A mere statue or playing football in the near future is not that important in the scope of things.

    CHILDREN ARE NOT SAFE ON THE PENN STATE CAMPUS.

    This is not negligence of the mere accident variety. PSU is a repeated hit and run institution not a oops fender bender.

    For what purpose, a few more football victories, more $$$$$$ to groom children fro rape??????

    If the University of Ohio sends its football team and its followers wander onto the campus with children, they do so at their own peril, according to a federal judge. BE advised that the school and its leadership are not regarding child safety with any care.

    If the University of Virginia allows the Penn State football program to enter its campus for the second game, it will be a disgrace to UVA, NCAA football, and to its fans that would respect a culture that puts football victories over the safety for children from the Penn State football program molestation.

    Please give the Penn State the 5-10 years of no football, it will need to recover from the Sandusky atrocities for several decades at the highest levels and to hire more responsible leaders for the Board of Trustees.

  87. stairwayto7 says: Jul 16, 2012 12:55 AM

    The statue needs to stay up! No matter if its up or down, Joe Pa will be known as the winningest coach ever! Not Bear Bryant, not Bowden! For everyone who says PSU needs to get the death penalty, remember the last time it was announced, the guy who announced it fainted right after he walked off stage! The people involved are no longer involved at PSU! Who you trolls be saying same thing if this happend at your schools? I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU WOULD BE SAYING THE THEY ARE ALL GONE!

  88. bobzilla1001 says: Jul 16, 2012 12:58 AM

    To those misinformed outsiders who insist that football rules PSU: If football was so important, Paterno would’ve been replaced 10 years ago.
    As Paterno grew older and more feeble, the football program’s schedule was reduced to non-conference cupcakes. Paterno’s teams seldom beat quality opponents his last several seasons on the job.
    As a result, season-ticket holders complained loudly, while more and more empty seats became evident at Beaver Stadium.
    Penn State football hasn’t been a national power for years. Paterno was a shadow of his former self, and PSU football became a middle-of-the-pack Big 10 program and simply something to watch on a Saturday afternoon in the fall.
    You misinformed outsiders must stop your nonsense that Penn State football thinks of itself as an Alabama, USC or Ohio State. PSU football was and is nothing more than a Northwestern or an Indiana.

  89. bw1980 says: Jul 16, 2012 1:12 AM

    I think that they should leave the statue up with a few minor modifications:
    1. Remove the words “educator” and, for God’s sake, “humanitarian”. Just leave “Coach”; and
    2. Remove the bronze statue of the players behind him: clearly the man didn’t care about anything but his own legacy.

    Removing the statue would be erasing the history, hoping this whole thing will be forgotten. Let PSU fans remember Paterno as the winningest coach in history; the rest of us can remember who had to sacrifice the most for him to become so.

  90. hopalongcrc1 says: Jul 16, 2012 1:31 AM

    Well-stated. By all means give him and the entire cult credit for his football victories.

  91. hopalongcrc1 says: Jul 16, 2012 1:41 AM

    All the more reason to shut down the football program for several years, the further degeneration of the program would not be as impactful qw theHappy Valley loyal would have us believe. PSU could then move forward with adherence to the Freeh report and healing could begin more quickly.

    Does PSU want to use the recent decline of the football program as an excuse for the total and consistent disregard for child welfare and safety? Really?

    Shut it down so that college football programs that do not cover up and sanction child rape can continue while PSU cleans out the Board of Trustees and all that they oversee.

  92. stan97 says: Jul 16, 2012 2:59 AM

    tundra11 says:
    Jul 15, 2012 3:44 PM
    Penn State has a decision to make…

    Do they want to be known as Pedophile State University?

    ******************************************

    I’d say that horse has already left the barn…

  93. haterhurter937 says: Jul 16, 2012 6:16 AM

    how many of you talkin $hit about paterno have a michael jackson cd or some of his songs on your ipod? joe pa and penn st forever

  94. bubba703 says: Jul 16, 2012 7:30 AM

    haterhurter937, I don’t have any Michael ackson music, but there’s a difference difference between the two. Michael Jackson was found innocent after going on trial. Given the evidenc you’ve chosen to ignore, if JoePA were alive today, he would likely have been indicted for perjury.

    JoePA and Penn St forever in infamy (if they leave his statue up as a sick reminder)

  95. moochzilla says: Jul 16, 2012 8:03 AM

    Good thing that Joe “isn’t here to defend himself”…because he spent the last months of his shameful life lying and perjuring himself.

    HE PERJURED HIMSELF when speaking to the grand jury.

    His death saved him from a jail cell.

    He’s a criminal, nothing more. I don’t care if he won 1 game or 3,000 games.

  96. moochzilla says: Jul 16, 2012 8:08 AM

    Sandusky had a sickness, a mental illness that drove him to molest kids. He could not stop himself. Raping kids was a compulsion.

    JoePa did not have a sickness or a mental illness. He just wanted to keep his job, make more money, and further feed his need for veneration. He could not stop himself. Raping of kids was the price tag, and apparently one easy for him to see paid.

    One guy does evil because of mental illness.

    Another does evil because of fame and money.

    Sandusky is worse, but not by that much.

    The banality of evil.

  97. gmsingh says: Jul 16, 2012 8:17 AM

    I think keeping the statue up is the best idea–provided they put a statue of Sandusky raping a kid right next to it.

  98. orthomarine says: Jul 16, 2012 8:57 AM

    In an updated related press release… “The 4 security guards we were going to hire have been temporarily on hold”

  99. omniusprime says: Jul 16, 2012 9:11 AM

    Now we see just how corrupt the BoT is at Pedophile State as they now try to protect the sordid legacy of the pedophile pervert protector, JoePa. The only thing that should be done is tear down that disgusting statue of a known pedophile pervert protector and it should be torn down now. Tempers will only get stronger against PSU until it does the right thing.

    What little good JoePa did in his tenure at Pedophile State is far overshadowed by his evil ignoring of children being raped by one of his underlings. That JoePa never fired this pervert speaks volumes as to his lack of ethics or morals. As long as that statue stands PSU is going to be called Pedophile State because that statue will be a reminder of what JoePa didn’t do when he should have protected the children instead of his pedophile pervert pal and PSU is doing the wrong thing protecting the pedophile pervert protector.

  100. fullthrottle13 says: Jul 16, 2012 9:17 AM

    I AM APPALLED AT THE VIEWS GIVEN ON THIS PAGE WHO SEEM TO FORGET THE MAN THEY KNEW AS COACH JOE PATERNO.

    HIS LEGACY AND LOVE FOR YOUR STATE , THE GAME OF FOOTBALL AND YOUR COLLEGE HAS SOMEHOW LOST ITS WAY THRU THE MEDIA HYPE,AND A CONSORTED TWIST OF VIEWS BASED ON ASSUMPTIONS.

    RUMORS, HEARSAY AND WITNESSED CRIMES SHOULD ALL BE REPORTED TO PROTECT THE VICTIMS. JOE , DID WHAT ALL OF US DO …….FOLLOW THE RULES AND PROTOCOL..

    THERE IS MANY WHO SPECULATE HE SHOULD HAVE DONE MORE ,THAT WILL BE GODS DECSION AS TO WHO SHOULD AND WILL PAY THE ULTIMATE PRICE.

    SANDUSKY WILL BURN IN HELL, THE INDIVIDUALS WHO DID NOTHING EVEN THOUGH JOE REPORTED THE RUMORS WILL OR NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

    YOU BROKE A MANS HEART WHO GAVE HIS LIFE TO YOUR STATE AND NOW YOUR DRAGGING HIS FAMILY THRU THE MUD BASED ON YOUR OPINIONS , NOW THAT’S A TRAGEDY. JOE AND HIS LEGACY NEED TO BE KEPT, HE DID WHAT ALL OF US WOULD HAVE DONE , REPORT IT.

    ITS UP TO THE SCHOOL TO INVESTIGATE THE MATTERS , I’M SURE A LESSON EVERY SINGLE COLLEGE IN THIS COUNTRY WILL PAY ATTENTION TO NOW .

    AS A OHIO STATE FAN, ONE INCIDENT WILL DESTROY A LIFETIME OF GOOD DEEDS SO DONT OVER-REACT . FORGIVE AND SUPPORT THE VICTIMS , WHICH IN THIS CASE INCLUDES PATERNO FAMILY AND JOES LEGACY .

  101. florida727 says: Jul 16, 2012 9:38 AM

    #fullthrottle, I’m not sure which is more disgusting, your opinion on the subject, or your inability to differentiate between upper and lower case letters.

    What kind of an idiot thinks that all of the FACTS reported on this are nothing more than “opinions”? Did you not read the Freeh Report? Paterno’s family and legacy are “victims”? Seriously? Either that’s some sort of vague humor, or you really are delusional. Or, you don’t understand the definition of the word “victim”. No one in Joe’s family was raped by Sandusky.

    The school’s “let’s wait a while before making any rash judgments” is a joke. You’ve had since November to mull this over. You’ve had to have known this was a possibility (the Freeh Report findings, I mean). As long as that statue stands, it’ll be a constant reminder of what Paterno did NOT do.

  102. dkhhuey says: Jul 16, 2012 10:11 AM

    I’ve been back and forth about the death penalty topic but after reading the arrogant, self centered, delusional comments from the BoT – I’m all for it! It is painfully obvious that these idiots just don’t get it and The Penn State Way is never going to die unless the football program is killed for 5 years and the entire BoT kicked out and replaced with less delusional individuals.

  103. tomtravis76 says: Jul 16, 2012 10:13 AM

    fullthrottle13,

    Paterno did nothing. Paterno protected a child rapist. Everything Paterno did in his life that was good, is thrown out the window. He didn’t make a mistake in judgement, he protected a man and aided him in raping young boys for well over a decade. Paterno knew about and helped satisfy his friends needs. Paterno made a decision to allow child rape to continue, so he could have a fake legacy. The only legacy he has now is coward. Paterno is nothing but scum. College football fans will not remember anything good about him, just how awful of a person he was that he allowed kids to be raped for his friends enjoyment.

    Bobby Bowden the real college football wins holder. Wipeout PSU football from any records.

  104. dthomas74 says: Jul 16, 2012 11:25 AM

    I don’t think that people are disagreeing that Joe Paterno was PSU Football for many years. The real question is at WHAT COST did his success come at? Unfortunately in team sports when the leader fails, his whole team is brought down also. Through the Sandusky issue, people are now finding out that Joe Paterno used extremely bad judgment to continue to hide the dispicable actions of the men he used to climb the ladder.

    Because of his own actions is not addressing the issue of sexual abuse under his “reign”, he knowingly made the choice to throw his team under the bus so to speak if knowledge of his actions ever came out.

    Remove the statue. Joe Paterno’s legacy has been found to be tainted with lies and unethical actions. Unfortunately, the football program will be negatively affective because of his arrogant actions. It may not be the players fault, but they will be the ones to suffer the consequences because taking down the statue and penalizing the program is the right thing to do at this point.

    PSU BOT–take the right stand this time.

  105. feva4theflava says: Jul 16, 2012 2:25 PM

    Does it matter? No matter what happens people will always remember the good and the bad. Removing or keeping a tangible object will not erase all the good or bad intangibles joepa has committed. I bet the victims could care less what happens to a statue. I’m more focused on Sandusky getting the book thrown at him and then some.

  106. 1historian says: Jul 16, 2012 2:40 PM

    I predict that the statue will come down – at an unknown date and in the middle of the night

  107. bigbamboom1 says: Jul 16, 2012 8:11 PM

    “According to ESPN”s Outside the Lines, the university’s trustees have decided to keep Paterno’s statue outside Beaver Stadium standing, at least for the immediate future. However, some trustees hope to never tear it down.”

    I never knew the name was Beaver Stadium. I thought it would be Nittany Lion Field. Or something like that. Everything in that Valley is upside down!

    At this point who cares about the statue. Sooner or later, a group of sympathetic artists, I suspect, will show up and spray paint the thing all kind of colors or adorn it in memory of the victims. Then they will take it down for sure.

  108. olemandan95 says: Jul 17, 2012 10:05 AM

    If PSU wants to keep the statue, move it to the shower room, then erect a statue of Sandusky in the shower…
    (Of course, Joe would have to be looking the
    other way)

  109. davidpsu says: Jul 20, 2012 3:10 PM

    “I wish people would stop talking about giving Penn State football the death penalty and taking down the statue of Joe Paterno. Yeah, I had to submit to Mr. Sandusky 11 years ago. At that time I had no idea what was happening to me, but I did know it was abnormal and strange. Now I would like to move on with my life. But if they take away Penn State football, or take down the statue, that would not make me feel any better. In fact, it would hurt me very much. I love Penn State, and I love Joe Paterno. He did so much good for so many people, and Penn State is such a great University with awesome traditions. It would hurt me every day for the rest of my life knowing that my testimony was responsible for all this. Can people please let Penn State and the rest of us heal?”

    –Victim #12

  110. steeler1nation says: Jul 21, 2012 7:48 PM

    Place the Joe Paterno statue in his library, as a reminder to be silent.

  111. klownboy says: Jul 22, 2012 10:12 AM

    So much for the statue not coming down right?

  112. lrg51 says: Jul 22, 2012 11:16 AM

    Here’s what I think of Penn State trustees…

    FU

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