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Paterno family to conduct review of Freeh report findings

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There were plans by at least one third-party group to review the Freeh report last week even before its Thursday release, but you had to know this was coming sooner or later.

Per Outside the Lines, the family of former coach Joe Paterno announced in a statement Monday through its lawyer, Wick Sollers, that a “comprehensive review” of the investigation’s findings would be conducted.

“We are dismayed by, and vehemently disagree with, some of the conclusions and assertions and the process by which they were developed by the Freeh Group,” Sollers said. “Mr. Freeh presented his opinions and interpretations as if they were absolute facts. We believe numerous issues in the report, and his commentary, bear further review.”

The statement can be found in its entirety HERE.

The report was 267 pages long, and contained over 430 interviews with current and former Penn State employees. Among other findings, the report concludes that Paterno, along with other high-ranking Penn State officials, knew of a 1998 investigation of former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky related to child sex-abuse (although no charges were ever brought in the case and it was believed by one child psychologist that Sandusky was “grooming” the victim for abuse).

Paterno had previously stated, most notably to the Washington Post, that he was unaware of the ’98 investigation.

The general conclusion of the Freeh report is that Paterno, former president Graham Spanier, former VP Gary Schultz and athletic director Tim Curley, willingly disregarded proper measures of dealing with allegations of child sex-abuse. Spanier has already refuted accusations that he concealed Sandusky’s allegations from authorities through a statement from his attorneys.

Through multiple statements released over the last week, the Paterno family did about all it could to preserve the legacy the former coach spent decades building. Now they’re trying one more measure by challenging the findings, which OTL reports may take months — at least —  to do. The family added it plans “to go beyond the report and identify additional information that should be analyzed” and asks that the investigation preserve all its records.

“The process of reviewing the report and other relevant information is going to be a complicated and time consuming exercise. It took the The Freeh Group roughly seven months to conduct more than 400 interviews and review three million documents. We do not expect or intend to duplicate this effort but we are going to be as thorough as reasonably possible. In the meantime, our attorneys have asked that we not make any further comment on this matter until they are ready to provide an update on their progress,” Sollers said.

But, hey, at least we finally get an impartial look into the Freeh investigation, right?

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  1. phillyphever says: Jul 16, 2012 10:14 AM

    Will somebody please shut up the Paterno family already? Joe’s guilty,simple as that.

  2. polegojim says: Jul 16, 2012 10:15 AM

    In these situations, perception is reality.

    At this point, reality can’t be ‘different enough’ to matter.

    For too long JoePa did nothing to halt the situation in his own backyard.

    Just because his eyes were closed, doesn’t mean he didn’t ‘SEE’. He basically held the door open as the kids walked past with Sandusky.

    Too many years with evidence/poor response
    Too much done to defend PSU, yet…
    Too little done to defend children

  3. kozbee says: Jul 16, 2012 10:18 AM

    I don`t know why the Paterno family doesnt let this thing die out,with Joe being Dead they don`t have to worry about visiting him in prison.They will never clear his name so they can keep the great seats at the games.

  4. dkhhuey says: Jul 16, 2012 10:20 AM

    Please, for the love of everything, go away! Nobody outside of Pedophile U cares what you believe. Your father/husband was a complete failure at being a human being when it counted most. To those of us outside of Pedophile U, his wins on the field, his love for Pedophile U, the money he donated – NONE of that matters because in the end, he knowingly and willingly supported children getting anally raped and sexually abused!!! End of story – now please, take all of cash Joe got for you and S T F U!!!

  5. Slim Charles says: Jul 16, 2012 10:20 AM

    My statement to the Paterno family:

    YOU GOT YOUR MONEY. NOW GO AWAY. NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY UNLESS IT’S AN APOLOGY FOR THE HORRIBLE CRIMES JOE PERMITTED.

  6. eyeh8goodell says: Jul 16, 2012 10:23 AM

    Of course his selfish, scumbag family is still trying to protect his legacy. Maybe they should use the millions they swindled out of PSU at the end there to conduct an investigation into who some of these victims were and give some of that cash to them. And I don’t know……maybe issue an apology. But of course that would be asking too much. After all, it’s still all about Joe and his precious football program.

  7. ashleyinnc says: Jul 16, 2012 10:39 AM

    Unless their comments come out to say that they are deeply sorry for the fact that Joe Paterno turned out to be a coward and not a hero. An accomplice to a crime, I do not want to hear it.

    http://www.thedoseofreality.com/2012/07/12/silence-is-not-an-option/

  8. stoutfiles says: Jul 16, 2012 10:43 AM

    They have millions of dollars that could be given to the victim’s and all they care about is their dead father’s legacy. What a bunch of slimey greaseballs.

    How about we go beyond the report and look into the Paterno about what THEY knew? No doubt Joe told his wife what was going on. If they want to dig into the truth, then let’s dig everywhere and hold everyone legally accountable. Maybe the Paterno’s could find themselves in a jail cell before this is over.

  9. dutchman1350 says: Jul 16, 2012 10:58 AM

    All you haters need to respect the system. Innocent until proven guilty. The family has rights. If they believe Joe was innocent they have the right to defend him. Sandusky is the only one convicted of anything.

  10. cometkazie says: Jul 16, 2012 11:01 AM

    Whacha wanna bet they get someone else to pay for the investigation?

    They ought to be quiet until the first of next year, at least.

    People in cross hairs shouldn’t be seen.

  11. eyeh8goodell says: Jul 16, 2012 11:05 AM

    @dutchman

    The only reason your precious JoePa wasn’t convicted of anything is because died before he could be charged with Perjury and Child Endangerment. Curley and Shultz will be convicted soon enough. You bet your ass he’d be up on charges now. That he letter he wrote, not one word of apology to the victims. This new letter from his family, not one word of apology to the victims. Just endless attempts to protect a legacy.

    The ironies at play here are fascinating. Because of the football program, PSU had the disposable income to make all those philanthropic donations. And now because of JoePa and the football program they’ll have to pay many more millions than they ever donated in civil damages to the victims of child rape.

  12. infectorman says: Jul 16, 2012 11:08 AM

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    Slap Slap!,

    WE WILL! WE WILL!! Slap YOU!
    Boom Boom Slap! Boom Boom SLAP!

    WE WILL! WE WILL!!! Slap YOU!
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    No more football at Penn State….for….a good long while
    Sincerely, the rest of the USA outside of happy valley

  13. deadeye says: Jul 16, 2012 11:20 AM

    We will now be exposed to lame arguments from Jay like “How do we know that Joe was referring to Joe Paterno?”, or “PSU has many coaches, the term ‘coach’ could have referred to any of them”.

    What’s lacking with the family today is the same thing that’s been lacking with JoePa worshippers from the get go: the refusal or inability to acknowledge the common sense conclusion that JoePa knew everything, because he genuinely was the MOST POWERFUL decision maker at PSU. Org charts are meaningless on college campuses with successful football or basketball coaches. Those guys are calling the shots, especially for anything pertaining to their program. Everyone else instinctively knew that Paterno at a minimum allowed the coverup, or at worst was the originator of the coverup. Neither of those are acceptable.

  14. olcap says: Jul 16, 2012 11:30 AM

    I don’t believe Paterno IS dead. I think he’s on an island of high-end criminals, (Ken Lay comes to mind), whose “deaths” come at the most convenient time, like when they have to report to do their jail time, or when they know about the huge pedophile worldwide organization, and have to be kept quiet.

  15. bigbamboom1 says: Jul 16, 2012 11:31 AM

    The paterno family need to rethink their strategy. Joe is dead. Let him and the fond memories they have of him R.I.P. They can not resurrect fond memories of him outside of Happy Valley. With Sandusky’s conviction and the Freeh Report, people know “enough” of the truth to be disgusted with their rightfully beloved JoePa.

    But there is still an ongoing Federal investigation by the FBI into “The First Mile” Charity & Foundation that was launched last winter. Because Sandusky’s crimes crossed state & federal lines (Alamo Bowl & etc). This ticking time bomb went under reported by the media as they focused on the Freeh Report. Anyone with a brain can surmise that Mr. Freeh coordinated his investigation with the FBI. After all, he was the FBI director before. And Paterno family, just where do you think he got over 3 million e-mails to investigate if he didn’t have subpoeana powers?

    The Paterno Family need to back way off until the whole truth comes out about this horrific episode. And that includes Mssrs Spanier, Curly, Shultz and anyone else involved, anywhere. They may find that Lou Freeh was actually benevolent with them. And JoePa was much more involved than they ever imagined, or want to here. So don’t open up the snake pit if you don’t know what might slither out.

  16. dupuisdongsthickerthanurdads says: Jul 16, 2012 11:34 AM

    joe paterno and jerry sandusky are both scumbags just like the fans of philthadelphia sports.

  17. riecoz says: Jul 16, 2012 11:39 AM

    The greaseballs are only concerned about the money they will pay out to the victims. Anybody including those morons that attend PSU who believe JoePa BS deserve what they get.

  18. drewsylvania says: Jul 16, 2012 11:57 AM

    These people keep adding car accidents to the train wreck.

  19. geo1113 says: Jul 16, 2012 11:57 AM

    Here’s the problem for the Paternos. Their whole denial is based on the fact that Paterno didn’t know what Sandusky did. At the very least, in the 1998 situation, Sandusky admitted to showering with young boys and engaging in horseplay while naked with these young boys. They will want to say that some notes by whoever saying they talked with the coach prove nothing. I suppose in a court of law that could be construed as reasonable doubt. However, the Joe Paterno I had always heard about (and never had a beef with) was always held up as someone who knew everything there was to know about the goings on in the realm of Penn State football. To suggest otherwise is so laughable it is absurd.

    Back to 1998. Once Sandusky admitted what he did, he should have been tossed of campus as quickly as possible. A program (and school) that hold itself to be morally superior to all others has to rid itself of any wrongdoers. And I am not even saying that as wrongdoing in a criminal sense. Such an aggredious impropriety can’t be allowed to stand. And the person who should have told him it is time to go was Paterno himself.

    So all of you who think that people are merely piling on, the true test of character was many years ago. And in that test Paterno failed miserably. If nothing else had happened and it came out after Paterno’s retirement and death, manu of us would still lose all respect for Paterno. All we need to know was 1998. And again, to suggest he didn’t know that is ridiculous.

  20. brandontroutman says: Jul 16, 2012 12:11 PM

    For anyone who has NOT read the report, do everyone else a favor and do not comment ON the report. Basing your arguments on Judge Freeh’s OPINION of his findings, or on the presser he held, is 100% ignorance.

    As a Penn State fan, a Paterno fan, I am surely shocked, saddened, and negatively amazed at how this has played out. There are some area’s to defend Paterno in the 1998 events, but there are no such area’s to defend him in 2001. In 1998, he was informed of an investigation, an investigation botched by Counselor John Seasock and the Centre County DA’s office that lead to no charges.

    In 2001 however, Paterno did the right thing in reporting to his superior, but there is no doubt that he should have went to campus police in the same breath. That is clearly a HUGE mistake on Paterno’s part, one that there is no defense for.

    I could go on and on about this, but the facts are the facts. Paterno is guilty of not doing more, and guilty in a legal sense of not reporting alleged child abuse/sex abuse (it was his legal right to do so in the position that he held). Let’s not forget though that Mike McQueary, Gary Schultz, and Tim Curley are in the same boat on that account.

    If we rewind to 1998 though, if the University Police, Centre County DA’s office, Counselor John Seasock (who HAD to have some PSUer’s by the balls or the opposite), Graham Spanier, Schultz, and Curley had put pressure on Sandusky to talk more, the likelihood of any of these things happening again would have decreased by 80% just in the fact that legal proceedings would have given PSU grounds to revoke and/or not negotiate a retirement like Sandusky received.

    It’s a shame any of this happened, but the fact that Sandusky was allowed such power and privilege following such incidents is just totally sickening.

    Nobody in the Penn State board, high offices, Paterno, University Police, Centre County DA’s office, Counselor Seasock, nobody in that mention can be considered innocent.

  21. mogogo1 says: Jul 16, 2012 12:11 PM

    No doubt this is very tough on the Paterno family, but they need to just deal with this quietly and go away. They aren’t helping anything. Reviewing the Freeh report isn’t even what they need to look at: the administrators’ email that came out a few days prior to the Freeh report are what they need to come to terms with. Those email make it crystal clear that is was JoePa who killed the idea of calling the authorities. Those email were never intended for outside eyes, and the administrators were JoePa’s biggest allies…there’s nothing to “review” they simply need to come to terms with the reality of what happened.

  22. overratedgators says: Jul 16, 2012 12:13 PM

    I assume they’re going to hire OJ Simpson’s personal investigation team, just as soon as that team finishes finding Nicole’s real killers.

  23. profootballwalk says: Jul 16, 2012 12:19 PM

    Joe Paterno – child rape enabler. Evil, evil man.

  24. dannythebisforbeast says: Jul 16, 2012 12:22 PM

    Three sides to every story.
    The freeh/the paternos/the truth

    need an impartial investigation which has yet to happen.

  25. dannythebisforbeast says: Jul 16, 2012 12:27 PM

    @brandontroutman. Exactly so MANY people dropped the ball on Sandusky. It is more than a paterno issue. I know he was wrong but I also cant help noticing as of today e is still the only person to admit wrongdoing/guilt over this whole mess. It doesn’t absolve him but I think he was still around we would get more info from him then we have anywhere else.

  26. pooflingingmonkey says: Jul 16, 2012 12:31 PM

    I see we have two or three representatives of the powerful “Pro Paterno Lobby” on hand today, trying beyond hope to protect the legacy of their hero, the child rape enabler.

    Give it up. Paterno was scum, and he’s lucky to be dead instead of being perp walked up the courthouse steps.

  27. jackericsson says: Jul 16, 2012 12:44 PM

    Either take down Joe’s statue or put build a prison cell around it!

  28. sfm073 says: Jul 16, 2012 12:59 PM

    Too little too late, the court of public opinion has made up its mind.

  29. psunick says: Jul 16, 2012 1:03 PM

    Notwithstanding the snarkiness of your last sentence, Ben…the Freeh Report was NOT an independent investigation. It was paid for by the Penn State Board of Trustees.

  30. ndrocks2 says: Jul 16, 2012 1:17 PM

    Fire everyone ever associated with the university during the Sandusky pedophile years, even if they claimed to do something, if they didn’t go to the New York Times they obviously didn’t do enough. Payoff the Paterno’s with more money with the condition they shut up forever. Get a recommended settlement from a third party and double the amount for all victims. Drop out of the Big 10 and go Independent so no school is forced to play you in any sport and have the constant reminders you are sure to have FOREVER. Suspend the football program for a minimum of two years after the entire situation has been resolved.

    In other words take the high road for once and then maybe in about five years if football is still that important to the university start it back up.

    Tough break for the Alumni but this university is a disgrace and Joe Pa is forever going to be the face of this disgrace. D coordinator “resigns” but still hangs around for years? Did they somehow think if he wasn’t a coach just someone associated with the university they could distance themselves when the time came? All universities live in a make believe bubble environment but these guys were delusional that this was somehow going to be “OK” when this sickening story broke.

  31. tweeter75 says: Jul 16, 2012 1:22 PM

    This family is closing ranks, much as Joe Paterno did when he knew about children being raped in 1998.

    They are going to have civil suits against them, and will be paying out big time to victims who choose to file suit against Paterno’s estate.

    Louis Freeh is a former federal judge and FBI director, and his credentials and resume are beyond reproach.

    Joe Paterno’s false reputation as a football god is over, and his legacy is in the toilet where it belongs, and this gamily needs to shut up and face the facts. It’s over.

  32. dcviking says: Jul 16, 2012 1:23 PM

    I’m curious who the Pro-Joe people would accept as an independent investigation?

    The Paterno family? Yeah, right…

    The State Of Pennsylvania — No, they have a vested financial interest in any the outcome of any investigation

    The Federal Government – Also, they may have a also financial interest in the outcome of any investigation.

    The local police — looking to pin a coverup anywhere they can to avoid the fact they let a molester work in their midst for many years

    Who would be impartial?

  33. dcviking says: Jul 16, 2012 1:27 PM

    How do you think recent PSU grads are fairing (or feeling) when they go on a job interview…

    Think they are proud to have PSU on their resume?

    This is not meant as dig at the institution (PSU is fine school), but rather a wake up call for major universities.

    If it can happen here, it can happen anywhere…

  34. dkhhuey says: Jul 16, 2012 1:38 PM

    Yo – Paterno apologist – please stop! I’ve read the report twice! They interviewed over 400 people and reviewed millions of documents so they have the most insight into what happened as we’re going to get, given the fab 4 have either died or lawyered up.

    Your saint Joe lied in court and would be facing charges if he was still alive.

    Whether you want to join us in reality or continue to bask in the glory of your Pedophile U days of yore – knock yourself out. Just realize those outside of Pedophile U understand that the stench coming out of Happy Valley is real and smells like big piles of rotting fecal matter and Joe Paterno stands at the top of it.

  35. bigbamboom1 says: Jul 16, 2012 1:46 PM

    We all forget that up until the Feds launched their investigation last winter, it was widely reported that Jerry Sandusky actively engaged in helping PSU recruit football talent. This didn’t stop until October 2011! And only after a kid in South Carolina reportedly complained about “inappropriate conduct” by Sandusky. So JoePa definitely was not as disengaged as his family thinks.

    And since Jay Paterno was a coach on that staff, he had to know about Sandusky’s continued involvement with recruiting young boys into the PSU football program. He better let sleeping dogs lie until the Feds wrap up their probe. The Freeh report may only be the tip of the iceberg. If Jay doesn’t holster his guns, he may find himself in front of the FBI answering questions about Sandusky’s involvement in PSU recruiting during his watch as Assistant Coach.

  36. effjohntaylornorelation says: Jul 16, 2012 1:51 PM

    This must be hard for them to accept… The truth I mean.

  37. geo1113 says: Jul 16, 2012 1:53 PM

    Please stop with the “it’s not an independent investigation” stuff. I am a CPA (though not currently active) who has conducted independent investigations (nothing of this magnitude). The client pays. The cost to me of not being independent was greater than the cost of being independent. Think Arthur Andersen. Freeh would not have taken the engagement if he were not free to be independent. That’s how it works. If he is found to be colluding with the BOT then he goes out of business because no one else would ever hire his firm and his could lose his law license. The cost to Freeh is simply too high not to be independent. $6.5 million is not that much money in the grand scheme of things.

    The investigation was to identify the failure and how it happened and to make recommendations for the future. Freeh in his report holds the BOT accountability for failure to provide adequate internal controls and vigilance which allowed the concealment of the facts from the BOT. Most of his recommendations specifically allude to the fact that the BOT did not do its job. And I am not going to get into a discussion of what to do with the BOT here since this is about the independence of the Freeh report.

  38. mgmac says: Jul 16, 2012 2:20 PM

    hey paterno family – do us all a favor and stfu. and jay, your first name should have been richard because you’ve been acting like a dick

  39. eyeh8goodell says: Jul 16, 2012 2:35 PM

    For those Joepalogists trying to attack the “independence” of the investigation:

    Freeh had carte blanch to turn over every rock and spare nobody. He did that. Nobody escaped, not Paterno, not Curley, not Shultz, not the BOT. Funny how Freeh (obviously using the resources of his FBI contacts) managed to turn up a ton of hard copy that had previously gone unfound.

    The hardcopy doesn’t lie, and it tells us everything we need to know. From the report, the email stream between Curely and Shultz regarding Sandusky and the child in question and the meetings taking place with DPW and University Police:

    – Exhibit 2A: An May 5th, 1998 email reply to a Shultz email titled “Joe Paterno” from Curley regarding the 1998 investigation stating he had “touched base with the coach”. But I guess they were talking about some other Joe Paterno huh?

    – Exhibit 2B: Curley replies to another Shultz email on May 13th, 1998 regarding the victim’s meeting with a psychologist. He writes “Anything new in this department? Coach is anxious to know where it stands”. But i’m sure Paterno was simply just anxious to know about the status of the meeting but had no interest in knowing why a child might be meeting with a psychologist right?

    – Page 21 and Exhibit 2G: So after the investigation is closed and Sandusky is negotiating his retirement package in 1999, what does “JoePa” do? Recommends him for a PSU Volunteer Youth Leadership Position. Un-freaking-believable. And that comes from Paterno’s handwritten notes.

    – Paterno later testified in front of the Grand Jury that he did NOT “through rumor, direct knowledge, or any other fashion” have any idea of the 1998 incident. That, my poor JoePalogists, is cut and dry Perjury.

    – And knowing what he did about 1998, Mike McQueary comes to you to report what he saw in the football showers that was (According to Joe’s recollection in front of the Grand Jury) “sexual in nature”……..you’d think he’d say to himself “Hmm, Maybe 1998 wasn’t a non-incident at all. I have to take action”. But nope. We all know what happened from there. Curley and Shultz were going to confront Sandusky and report him but “after a conversation with Joe” they dediced not to. But then I suppose once again they must’ve been talking about some other mysterious Joe that found his way into the loop but was never heard from again or since.

  40. rickrock6661982 says: Jul 16, 2012 2:37 PM

    Funny how the Freeh Report is now considered to be trash since it doesn’t support “Saint Joe”.

    How low will you go, Paterno Apologists?

  41. jimbo75025 says: Jul 16, 2012 3:04 PM

    tweeter75 says:
    Jul 16, 2012 1:22 PM

    Louis Freeh is a former federal judge and FBI director, and his credentials and resume are beyond reproach.
    _________

    While I in no way support Paterno et all I highly suggest you research that statement. A title (or former title) does not grant immediate respect much like a former football coach comes to mind.

  42. footballphan23 says: Jul 16, 2012 3:31 PM

    Hey eyeh8goodell, I guess that’s what they are going to spend their money reviewing. They are trying to find out who the mysterious “coach” and “Joe” are. This is just turning into a joke. I understand trying to defend a family member, but seriously, they have to know when to just remain silent.

  43. realitytaste says: Jul 16, 2012 3:35 PM

    I think from their POV it’s much worth spending some of their enormous wealth clearing their husband/father’s name.

    As things stand, after all, he is loathed and detested and their “inheritance” is thoroughly resented – especially since it’s other people (student tuition?) who will have to pay for Paterno’s crimes.

    They won’t succeed, but I agree it’s money well spent – for them.

    Otherwise, there’s nothing they can say that anyone will want to hear except for “here’s a check.”

  44. fightingwombat says: Jul 16, 2012 3:46 PM

    The Paterno family needs to back out of the spotlight and, if they are going to review the findings, do it in silence.

    The report is damning… and destroys JoePa’s reputation, as well as that of the others involved and hurts Penn State. This won’t go away with the upcoming season… or in a few years, but will be a dark cloud that hangs over the school, athletic department and the football program for decades.

    Question – What will the NCAA do now?

  45. lovinthatsomanyhateonnd says: Jul 16, 2012 3:57 PM

    tweeter75 says:
    Jul 16, 2012 1:22 PM

    Louis Freeh is a former federal judge and FBI director, and his credentials and resume are beyond reproach.

    =============
    BS! Freeh has a horrible reputation, especially with those who lost someone on TWA 800 (im one)…take it for what you will, but until its proven in court it means jack shiz. Not to say i dont think Joe could have done more, but making him the villain is such bs because the detective from the 98 case dropped the ball, and the board gave him the access to the school..

  46. eyeh8goodell says: Jul 16, 2012 4:29 PM

    @tweeter,

    Because the case was dropped doesn’t absolve Joe of committing Perjury. It doesn’t change the FACT that “Joepa” recommended Sandusky for a PSU Volunteer Youth Leadership position knowing full well what he’d been investigated for. And it doesn’t absolve him of doing nothing after learning of more transgressions in 2001. After that he could no longer rely on the fact that the ’98 case was dropped.

    And who do you think lobbied for Sandusky’s retirement package? That’s right…..JoePa. His handwritten notes are all over those particular documents in the appendix of the Freeh report. Try actualy reading it before commenting any further.

  47. realitytaste says: Jul 16, 2012 4:44 PM

    I want to know why Paterno told Sandusky that he could have been the next football coach if it hadn’t been for his involvement with the Second Mile program.

    JUST WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

    If ONLY there were some way to find out…

  48. psunick says: Jul 16, 2012 4:46 PM

    The only clean player in all of this mess is the Harrisburg Patriot-News.

    That’s who should spearhead a thorough investigation.

    I mean, who would make you run for cover when they knocked on your door? LF…or, the HPN?

  49. geo1113 says: Jul 16, 2012 5:23 PM

    lovinthatsomanyhateonnd,

    My condolences on your loss. My view on Freeh differs from yours but we can discuss that later if you want.

    But you are shifting blame to others. The reason Paterno is the villian is because he was the face of the university. Also, he was the most powerful. Why do I say that. Because he was refuse to resign when the president of the university asked him to. Having said that, we also see Curley, Schultz and Spanier as villians, but then they don’t have a statue and they weren’t held up to the public as paragons of virtue as Paterno was.

    As for the board allowing Sandusky access, Paterno was in on that plan too. As I said all along knowing Sandusky showered with young boys, in and of itself, should have told a man who held himself out to the public as being the model of integrity that the guy needed to go. Paterno was powerful enough to rebuke calls from the administration for him to step down. He could have removed Sandusky. But he went the other direction in that he suggested a role with children. Disgusting!

  50. bw1980 says: Jul 16, 2012 5:44 PM

    I will preface this by saying that I am Notre Dame fan and, based on all of the vitrol Paterno directed toward ND over the years I always disliked him and never respected him. As far back as 2002 my friends, fellow Domers and nonDomers, have talked every CFB season about what an egomaniac he was as evinced by the fact that he was coaching into to his eighties for no other reasons than records.

    Okay, that said, even the most egotistical people I know love and treat their children well. Can you imagine something as awful as this coming out about your parents? His wife and kids don’t care about his legacy in the way he did, they are destroyed about what is coming out and being said about the man they knew as their Dad–not as the God of PSU as he so clearly thought of himself as being and, apparently, as officials at PSU believed him to be. It is easy to take shots at his family, he isn’t here to be shot at so somebody named Paterno should suffer seems to be the mentality.

    It isn’t a lack of concern for the victims, it is shock and denial. My heart goes out to the victims first and to Paterno’s family second.

    It is the PSU fans, not Paterno’s family, that disgust me. Stop placing the guy on pedestal, stop the childish defensiveness–you were all ready to run him out ten years ago. As a practicing Catholic, a fan in a way, I had to deal with wide spread sexual abuse of children by some priests. I pray the families and curse the Operpetrators and have since the outset, as have most Catholics. I curse the cover-up too. But it didn’t shake my belief in God or the principals of the church. In the same way, you can all still be hardcore PSU football fans without shame but stop trying to protect Paterno. Accept what he did, not what YOU did, what he did, and move on. You have nothing to feel guilty about unless you continue ignoring the victims in order to sanctify the guilty.

  51. gfj7000 says: Jul 16, 2012 5:47 PM

    After reading the majority of the Freeh report, I don’t see that 95% of the blame is placed on Paterno but rather most on the Big (4)’s and BOT’s negligence or intent to cover-up. So, rather than throwing mud and dung at Joe, I agree with several of you that the Paterno family has the complete legal right to re-investigate and to rip-apart the Freeh report, and file their own report. ‘Innocent until proven guilty’, that’s Federal law. So if they find ‘potholes’ in the Freeh report (regardless of his credentials-these don’t impress me) this doesn’t mean that human beings can’t be free from error (Freeh is NOT God). BTW I’m not taking sides, just asserting realism in this case, and acknowledge that the Paterno family has every right to hire their own attorney to sift through all of this data. If they come up EMPTY, then the Freeh report should be recognized as accurate or maybe 80% accurate, as NO investigation with report is 100% accurate in this world.

  52. lovinthatsomanyhateonnd says: Jul 16, 2012 5:55 PM

    thanks Geo, her name was Larkin Dwyer and our parents were very close…i used to watch her and her little brother while our parents would go out. Needless to say, it wasnt easy to watch when we finally thought we were close to some answers..then Freeh comes in and stops everything…you want a cover up, theres a big one for you..which is one part of my problem with his report. He is still acting like a judge, making determinations people are taking as fact. This isnt a court of law were talking about..which is my point, lets see what comes out during the trials of the other admin officials and if the same comes out then, i will share the disgust…not that i dont already, how this man was enabled by so many (also my other problem with the report) that he was even given access to the school at his leisure is beyond me. But joe didnt give him that access, the Board did..and they knew what was going on. How could they not? How could anyone not know when a detective got a semi admission over the phone in a victim call? Why was he not charged then??? Joe had nothing to do with not charging him then…However, i do agree and am a little disturbed by joe not telling the University to remove his access and at the least make sure people were paying attention to the allegations. As for why he didnt go to the cops directly..i say this in his defense: people have gotten sued for much less. If he made the allegation and it doesnt stick, thats one whopper of a lawsuit coming his way. sucks, but thats the world we live in….

  53. lovinthatsomanyhateonnd says: Jul 16, 2012 5:56 PM

    gfj7000: i am in 100% agreement…excellent comment sir

  54. lovinthatsomanyhateonnd says: Jul 16, 2012 5:59 PM

    GO IRISH! thoughts and prayers to the victims as well…i dont in any way mean to condone the pedophile sandusky..he can rot in hell as far as im concerned…

  55. geo1113 says: Jul 16, 2012 7:12 PM

    lovinthatsomanyhateonnd,

    In regards to Freeh, I don’t think he was perfect. However, in the TWA 800 situation, I realize that we never got a definitive answer on that. I don’t think it was a malicious end to the investigations in that there were competing theories as to what went wrong. It seemed to me that they were throwing their arms in the air. Having said that, I can understand why you would have wanted more.

    I have been watching college football for a long time starting before Paterno was head coach. Over the years, Paterno became known as the man who had his fingers on everything in PSU football and its faciltites. Nothing could be done without his say so. He proved that when he wouldn’t resign. I have said all along that a man who holds himself up to be beyond reproach, he has to act. And Joe had the power to act and didn’t. I would say this about the other three too. However, the other three wouldn’t do anything in regards to the football program, the football facilities and the people associated with the program without running it by Joe first. Joe was very happy to be seen in that light. The other three didn;t have to look at Sandusky every day. Joe did.

  56. brianbosworthisstonecold says: Jul 16, 2012 8:53 PM

    Maybe joePed’s children were molested by Sandusky or by JoePa himself. Either/or the Paterno family should be the next family to star in the next house of 1000 corpses movie.

  57. tweeter75 says: Jul 16, 2012 8:59 PM

    @eyeh8goodell

    This is my post:

    tweeter75 says:
    Jul 16, 2012 1:22 PM
    This family is closing ranks, much as Joe Paterno did when he knew about children being raped in 1998.

    They are going to have civil suits against them, and will be paying out big time to victims who choose to file suit against Paterno’s estate.

    Louis Freeh is a former federal judge and FBI director, and his credentials and resume are beyond reproach.

    Joe Paterno’s false reputation as a football god is over, and his legacy is in the toilet where it belongs, and this gamily needs to shut up and face the facts. It’s over.

    ==============================

    This is your reply to my post:

    eyeh8goodell says:
    Jul 16, 2012 4:29 PM
    @tweeter,

    Because the case was dropped doesn’t absolve Joe of committing Perjury. It doesn’t change the FACT that “Joepa” recommended Sandusky for a PSU Volunteer Youth Leadership position knowing full well what he’d been investigated for. And it doesn’t absolve him of doing nothing after learning of more transgressions in 2001. After that he could no longer rely on the fact that the ’98 case was dropped.

    And who do you think lobbied for Sandusky’s retirement package? That’s right…..JoePa. His handwritten notes are all over those particular documents in the appendix of the Freeh report. Try actualy reading it before commenting any further.

    ================================

    What the hell are you talking about??? You might want to “Try actualy reading it before commenting any further.”

  58. eyeh8goodell says: Jul 17, 2012 12:26 AM

    @tweeter

    My bad dude, I meant to quote lovinthatsomanyhateonnd

    soooo…….@ lovinthatsomanyhateonnd

    TAKE THAT!

  59. canesgiants says: Jul 17, 2012 9:33 AM

    All you haters need to respect the system. Innocent until proven guilty. The family has rights. If they believe Joe was innocent they have the right to defend him. Sandusky is the only one convicted of anything.
    =================================
    sorry sport–all u paterno lovers could have said that a week ago but now–nope. please if this man was alive he would be facing criminal charges.

  60. latchbeam says: Jul 17, 2012 10:03 AM

    NCAA TO CONDUCT REVIEW OF PSU AND THE DEATH PENALTY

  61. geo4444 says: Jul 17, 2012 10:14 AM

    While we are at it. Let’s shut down the American financial institutions since Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner was aware of the price fixing. Additionally, let’s shut down ALL banks as they are part of the banking industry.

    Regardless of other banks involvement in the fixing, they should also be shut down. Regardless of other banks complete innocence in the matter other than an unfortunate association.

    Of course I am not suggesting the whole school, I mean government sector, should get shut down, just the football program…I mean the banking industry. All those players, damn, I mean workers should lose their jobs.

    This approach makes complete sense. Oh, and let’s not worry about the level of involvement by Tim Geithner, the fact that he had ANY knowledge whatsoever should land the death blow to the banking industry.

  62. geo4444 says: Jul 17, 2012 10:20 AM

    Hey Ben Kercheval, I also read Freeh’s summary FINDINGS. Ugh! Those people should all be tar and feathered (Paterno, Spanier, Curley, Schultz, BOT).

    But then I went ahead and read the FULL report. Yes, all 200+ (including exhibits 260+) of the report…you know what I found?

    The following comments are based solely upon the Freeh report (FR), its findings and SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION found within said report.

    The findings by Freeh as they relate to Joseph V. Paterno (JVP) do not just appear inaccurate but constitute gross negligence on the part of said lead investigator and his investigative support team.

    Second paragraph of FINDINGS:

    …and Head Football Coach Joseph V. Paterno – … concealed Sandusky’s activities from the Board of Trustees, the University community and authorities…

    This is one of the most striking attack comments to JVP. And it has no basis on information supplied in the FR. When, if ever, did JVP meet with the Board of Trustee’s (BOT)? I am not aware of any time for JVP to do so. In the course of his work career or during these investigations. JVP did in fact notify the university community and authorities. The head of the campus police. Yes, this is apparently a small print item as per The Clery Act and yes he was wrong to not contact that respective Clery Act person. But as per the report, people were not trained or were grossly untrained on the proper procedures of The Clery Act. This lack of training falls on the university not JVP. Yes, JVP was probably guilty of not having the knowledge the university should have properly implemented.

    The second paragraph of FINDINGS continues with:

    …They exhibited a striking lack of empathy for Sandusky’s victims by failing to inquire as to their safety and well-being, especially by not attempting to determine the identity of the child…

    As per the reported quote that follows, it sounds very responsible and an excellently well-balanced decision by JVP to put the investigation and procedural steps in the hands of the people with the proper expertise (head of police):

    Paterno told a reporter that “I didn’t know exactly how to handle it and I was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was. So I backed away and turned it over to some other people, people I thought would have a little more expertise than I did. It didn’t work out that way.

    Why would or should JVP perform an investigation into something he knew little about and whose skillset was certainly not performing (police) investigations?

    Continue to consider that JVP may have pushed for the opposite results the FR was indicating. The exact emails between Spaniar and Curley have the following quote within it that seems to possibly indicate that Curley didn’t want to go the direction JVP discussed with him. At a minimum, we don’t know what Curley did or did not discuss with JVP. If Curley was trying to minimize the impact of all this, who is to say he told JVP next to nothing? The FP gives no indication on why Freeh drew the conclusions he did on JVP.

    Curley: “After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday—I am uncomfortable with what we…” (who is we…Joe & Curley or Spanier & Curley?) “…agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble going to everyone, but the person involved.” (did JVP suggest going to everyone?)

    Now Curley’s communication (information shared) with JVP may have been limited, at best…we don’t know. Freeh does not know either.

    So where is the takeaway that JVP was suggesting burying any of this? Where?

    Undoubtedly, Freeh took some serious liberty with drawing the conclusions he did on Joseph V. Paterno, and it clears up little as far as his involvement. If there is more evidence then supply it, but it is certainly not in the Freeh Report.

  63. geo4444 says: Jul 17, 2012 10:50 AM

    eyeh8goodell, let’s address your specifics:

    EYE: – Exhibit 2A: An May 5th, … email titled “Joe Paterno” from Curley … he had “touched base with the coach”. But I guess they were talking about some other Joe Paterno huh?

    GEO: I’m sure that was Joe, but what exactly did he and Joe discuss? Was Curley filtering what he told Joe or speak completely and frankly? If Curely was trying to downplay/bury this I’d think he could have spoken minimally to Joe.

    EYE:- Exhibit 2B: Curley replies to another Shultz email on May 13th, 1998 regarding the victim’s meeting with a psychologist. He writes “Anything new in this department? Coach is anxious to know where it stands”. But i’m sure Paterno was simply just anxious to know about the status of the meeting but had no interest in knowing why a child might be meeting with a psychologist right?

    GEO: Well let’s see. Paterno told a reporter that “I didn’t know exactly how to handle it and I was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was. So I backed away and turned it over to some other people, people I thought would have a little more expertise than I did. It didn’t work out that way.”

    And what you referenced goes against part of Freeh’s Findings that they were indifferent to the victims. So first, he was following up, right? Something most of you keep saying he should have done (but actually did). Second, you are trying to have your cake and eat it to.

    EYE: – Page 21 and Exhibit 2G: …what does “JoePa” do? Recommends him for a PSU Volunteer Youth Leadership Position…

    GEO: Uh-huh, yeah…and the investigation was closed be-cauussseee? Presumably due to innocence? Maybe, maybe not. Hindsight and all comes to mind…

    EYE: – And knowing what he did about 1998, Mike McQueary …you’d think he’d say to himself “… I have to take action”. We all know what happened from there. Curley and Shultz were going to confront Sandusky and report him but “after a conversation with Joe” they dediced not to.

    GEO: First off, he did take action. Saying that he didn’t take action doesn’t change the fact that HE DID TAKE ACTION.

    Additionally, that “we” in the email could have been Curley and Spanier or Curley and Joe, neither you nor I can tell from that email. It could also be read that Joe wanted to tell people and that after that conversation (Joe states to Curley, “we need to get the word out and let the chips fall where they will!”) Curley then figured, “No, we should only talk to Sandusky…keep the lid on this…etc etc”. Maybe Joe and Curely agreed the next steps were to tell everyone, but then Curely gets cold feet when confronting (emailing) Spanier.

  64. lovinthatsomanyhateonnd says: Jul 17, 2012 12:31 PM

    eyeh8goodell : lol @ take that..what are you, 5? if you want to have an intellectual conversation/debate, try bringing some intellect to the table instead of arrogance and ignorance.

    Geo: dead on…i havent read the report, but frankly I dont need to. I dont question Joe pa could have done more, but just going to the cops and telling them about the coach who saw the thing in the shower in 01 wouldnt have worked..the coach would have had to go. Otherwise its just hearsay. There are many small, yet important aspects that are overlooked in general, most of them laws having to do with evidence and libel laws. And no matter what, i still think the detective in the 98 case seriously dropped the ball..he had a semi confession and instead of following up or pressing further he just told him not to do it again?! How is that part joes fault? If the cop had done his job, we arent even having this discussion.

  65. bw1980 says: Jul 17, 2012 2:03 PM

    Anybody who has read or listened to the information presented thus far about Paterno’s role will find your “Curley decided to keep it under wraps” scenario ridiculous.

    First, I read in an article in SI or ESPN last year which illustrated, with multiple quotes from people who knew Paterno, that Paterno was obsessed with his legacy and that any situation which involved him at the University invaraibly went his way.

    Second, even if Curley did keep it under wraps Paterno had another recourse, in fact the only recourse: CALL LAW ENFORCEMENT. There is no conceivable excuse to have passed the buck up the ladder. None.

    Just stop with the ridiculous theories and admit that Paterno at a minimum failed to take appropriate action by not calling law enforcement.

  66. lovinthatsomanyhateonnd says: Jul 17, 2012 2:08 PM

    bw1980: LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS AWARE! They investigated the 98 incident, or did you miss that part??? The detective in that case even got the victim to call Sandusky, where he basically admitted through an apology…and what did that detective do? Follow up, see if there were any other victims? Bring him in for further questioning? ANYTHING?!?! NOPE, he just told him not to shower with little boys anymore. Now, I understand the contempt and anger, but direct it to the detective who failed miserably at his job…as ive been saying, if he does follow up very likely we arent even having this discussion because the pedophile Sandusky would be in prison!!

  67. bw1980 says: Jul 17, 2012 3:25 PM

    You call again and again and again. You don’t allow the man on your campus, in your showers. The man was accussed in 1998 and another person witnessed it in 2002. How much smoke do you need to see before your recognize that there’s a fire? Just let it go.

  68. lovinthatsomanyhateonnd says: Jul 17, 2012 4:39 PM

    well then look at it in this aspect..the cops investigated in 98, and did nothing..how is joe supposed to do anything when the cops tell them they cant prove it and drop the case?? He isnt judge, jury, and jailer you know…I get the frustration, but think rationally rather than emotionally. Which is what everyone is..and dont get me wrong, if you and others werent so emotional, id think you have issues. At some point logic is going to take over, and the little nuances will become clear. I cant, and wont excuse the conduct that was allowed..however, and as ive been saying all along, joe is far from the villain here..many other players in the long line come before him. That said, i would have respected his taking his legacy and using it to get rid of him all together..but im not joe, neither are any of you, so we dont know what he was thinking. after 50 + years of great service to thousands of kids, im willing to wait until the evidence and facts become known in the coming trials before i go passing judgement. Again, that doesnt take away my disgust for the whole situation…

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