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Updated: Big Ten’s working plan on Penn State ‘just one of many ideas’

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Those wishing Penn State to be kicked out of the Big Ten for the Jerry Sandusky scandal, you’re allowed to get excited for about 10 seconds. Then you’ll have to come back to reality.

According to the Chronicle of Higher Education (which requires a subscription to read), Big Ten leaders are considering a series of proposals in an 18-page plan prompted by the current situation at Penn State. Among the ideas being thrown around include removing the university from the conference.

Currently, the league’s Council of Presidents and Chancellors must approve any decision to suspend, expel, or place any member on probation. The Big Ten handbook requires at least a 60 percent vote for expulsion, though a Big Ten spokesperson told the Chronicle that number will increase to 70 percent (or, eight members) for 2012-13. If a recommendation is made to expel a member, that institution would have to show cause why it should not be expelled.

To vote Penn State out of the Big Ten would be unlikely, but the fact it’s reportedly being considered is some serious stuff nonetheless.

Additionally, the plan would also allow Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany to enforce financial penalties, suspensions, or fire individual athletic officials, including coaches, should their actions merit it.

News of the proposal comes days after NCAA president Mark Emmert said he would not rule out any punishment against PSU, though he doesn’t have the authority to do anything himself. Interim university president Rodney Erickson said the school will respond to NCAA requests for more information within the next week.

Updated 3:45 p.m.: In an email obtained by the Associated Press from Big Ten headquarters, the idea of a plan giving Jim Delany the authority to punish or outright fire an athletic individual is simply that — an idea —  and not finalized.

“It is a working document intended to generate ideas, not draw conclusions,” according to the email. “One provision in the document addresses `emergency authority of the commissioner’ – it is just one of many ideas.”

The Big Ten did not officially comment on the matter to the AP, though.

The statement corroborates how this 18-page plan should have been viewed to begin with: a discussion of last resorts for extreme cases. If Delany and Big Ten presidents agree to fire an athletic individual — if they’re actually given the go-ahead to do so, that is  — it has to be over actions that  “significantly harm the league’s reputation”, and that’s assuming the member institution hasn’t already taken action.

Same idea applies with expelling an institution. It would seem there would not only need to be a cause worthy of expulsion, but an equally blatant disregard for any kind of self-discipline by the university.

The Big Ten is doing what it should: addressing a case of institutional failure on an astonishing scale.

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  1. roundup5 says: Jul 19, 2012 9:47 AM

    Severe Penalties, yes; Explusion, no!

  2. woebegong says: Jul 19, 2012 9:50 AM

    Admittedly this was a big scandal and pretty distasteful, but I don’t see a lot of big time colleges in any conference that can claim to be without some kind of violation that set the school back a few years. Although, I am not comparing what Ohio St. did to Penn. St., consider this. The actions of what school, gave that school a competitive advantage?
    It is time for the healing to begin. Let the legal process play out, and the NCAA hand out the penalties, but nothing can be gained by kicking a college out of a conference or giving it the death penalty. That’s not punishment to the institution as much as it is punishment to the people on that team right now, who were in no way, shape or form, involved with this mess. It also affects the lives of all of the kids that go there whether or not you play in sports or not. It just dirties the waters a little more, and makes it harder to attract quality kids, there for the education, because they do not want to be associated with a school, surrounded by scandal and possibly even hurt their chances to succeed in their chosen career in the future.

  3. stoutfiles says: Jul 19, 2012 9:58 AM

    Considering Penn State will likely not get the death penalty, this is a smart move by the Big 10. There will likely be violence between the fans at all their games when PSU fans are called pedophile supporters.

    For the safety of students on both sides, it’s best that Penn State be removed for at least a few years until they get thier act together.

  4. danallen2 says: Jul 19, 2012 10:01 AM

    Why not end the PSU football program?

    Why is the NCAA or BigTen afraid of that?

    I’ll tell you why: $$$$$

  5. deadeye says: Jul 19, 2012 10:09 AM

    “To vote Penn State out of the Big Ten would be unlikely, but the fact it’s reportedly being considered is some serious stuff nonetheless.”


    If Emmert said “nothing is off the table”, then why would anyone assume that the BIG10 has staked out a different position. Should PSU get the “Death Penalty”, or any other penalty that would impact the profitability of the BIG10, then yes I think they would consider it. This sordid Sandusky affair comes just as playoff/realignment is redefining college football. There might some opportunities to quickly replace PSU without the conference skipping a beat.

  6. woebegong says: Jul 19, 2012 10:10 AM

    So, what you are saying in essence, is give them the death penalty then, because there will be so much fighting and name calling going on. If it is going to occur at big ten games, it is going to occur at any games PSU plays in, so your solution would be to not have them play at all until it dies down. That’s the definition of the death penalty. There will always be a few fans that show their cl(ass) by resorting to comments, even in a stadium, that will cause negative reactions, but you would hope, that even kids going to college, could show some class, and realize, the fans of that school, aren’t responsible for what the coaches of before and hopefully, soon, most of the administration did. Healing is a long enough process as it is.

  7. joshuavkidd says: Jul 19, 2012 10:10 AM

    People calling for the “death penalty” are being emotional rather than objective…. and i am in no way a PSU supporter.

  8. 700levelvet says: Jul 19, 2012 10:11 AM

    PSU…..Their administration, alumni, boosters, fans, students, board of trustees and supporters should be ashamed of what happened there, and resign from the conference, get their freakin priorities straight and maybe reapply………The NCAA or the Big 10 should not be forced to tell them thru finanical hardships, or bans whatever, that we are going to ban you cause your university’s administration and althletic dept’s mindset is about as screwed up as it gets……Enough of this moving forward crap, they want 105,000 people in the seats on saturday, and all the monies involved…..It’s a culture and it will never change………..

  9. dutchman1350 says: Jul 19, 2012 10:14 AM

    Maybe they should remove Michigan too, as they are dealing with a child molestation case as well. The BigTen is not just about football…at least to some people.

  10. joshuavkidd says: Jul 19, 2012 10:16 AM

    Dutchman1350 – Did i miss this… what happened at Michigan?

  11. gatewaytothewest says: Jul 19, 2012 10:17 AM

    None of this is anything to “get excited” about. When did they start handing NBC blogging opportunities out to teenagers?

  12. woebegong says: Jul 19, 2012 10:17 AM

    What is accomplished by ending a schools program in this case. Does it heal those that were victims? Does it help the school get a quicker resolution with those involved? Does it help those players now on the team or that might consider that team in the future? The death penalty was designed to address serious violations that affected the outcome of games, because it gave the offending team a unique advantage on the playing field. What advantage did PSU gain from this?

  13. bender4700 says: Jul 19, 2012 10:18 AM

    danallen2 says: Jul 19, 2012 10:01 AM

    Why not end the PSU football program?

    Why is the NCAA or BigTen afraid of that?

    I’ll tell you why: $$$$$

    and yet this article is all about the Big Ten kicking them out, and references the NCAA making a point to saying the death penalty is still an option…

    Good point. They clearly are a afraid…

  14. mgavin78 says: Jul 19, 2012 10:19 AM

    Woe… Forget your healing… Psu don’t need healing the victims need healing.

  15. OchentaYcinco says: Jul 19, 2012 10:22 AM

    Although, I am not comparing what Ohio St. did to Penn. St., consider this. The actions of what school, gave that school a competitive advantage?

    I’ve seen this a lot, but I don’t get it. What advantage did Ohio State gain from having its players, who were already on the team, had already won games, give away memorabilia? There’s no advantage gained. The advantage comes when the school doesn’t report it and lies about it, which in essense is what happened with Penn State, though on a much, much (x1,000,000) grander scale. If Tressel does what he’s supposed to, players don’t play. Similarly, if Penn State does what it’s supposed to do, maybe Paterno still comes out looking bad, maybe he doesn’t survive the fallout back in ’01. Then maybe Penn State suffers competitively from replacing the coach and the funds he brings in to the program.

    I’m not advocating for any particular outcome, but I think Emmert actually said the right thing. There’s no reason to rule out anything when there’s work to be done. This was so bad that I’m for anyone with any jurisdiction looking into their options. If the NCAA decides to stay out, that’s fine, but if they’re going to have rules, they should enforce them when they’re broken.

  16. stoutfiles says: Jul 19, 2012 10:29 AM

    Just give them the death penalty and be done with it. There’s going to be tons of lawsuits needing investigation. All PSU staff needs to be available for questioning and not tied up in a football season. Shut down the program for a couple years so they can properly punish everyone responsible.

  17. woebegong says: Jul 19, 2012 10:31 AM

    The staff, with the exception of Joe Pa, will be available either through visits to the jail, or at their new place of employment. Hardly a good enough excuse for the death penalty.

  18. emg58 says: Jul 19, 2012 10:32 AM

    it’s so crazy what happening with Penn State……. It’s gonna be hard to get out of this mess. That’s if they can.

  19. kozbee says: Jul 19, 2012 10:33 AM

    I read an article on the comcast front page how the fans @ penn st are guarding Joes statue and holding a vigil afraid some may try and tear it down.These fans are pure stupid to do so imo.If this would of happened at my school i would surely want it off school grounds and melt the darn thing down.Anymore i can care less what happens to penn st with the way the students still stand behind and evil statue of joe.No more capital letters for penn st.On the Michigan issue mentioned above i don`t recall anything from they`re college.

  20. stoutfiles says: Jul 19, 2012 10:34 AM


    Last I checked, no one but Sandusky was in jail and not one of the BOT had quit. Death penalty is needed.

  21. woebegong says: Jul 19, 2012 10:38 AM

    Would they have been at a disadvantage, had those players not been allowed to play because they broke NCAA rules? What the extra benefits given certain players does, is give them an advantage over their own team mates, because those guys didn’t have the extra money, they could have made by selling their own memorabilia. The scholarships are great for these kids, but they don’t provide a lot in the way, of extra cash, for these kids to do anything. The university concealing the fact only compounds the issue and I think shows them to be ignoring the rules they helped establish, for the very same reasons. No way should Ohio State be given the death penalty over what they did, but I argue, that the death penalty would do nothing to improve. or move forward from what occurred at Penn. State either.

  22. woebegong says: Jul 19, 2012 10:42 AM

    It is still pretty early in the whole legal process is it not? I can’t imagine that when the lawyers digest and dissect the criminal investigation report just released in the past 10 days, that there will not be a fair amount of heads rolling and law suites started now that they have the smoking gun. Ordinary citizens, not just criminals can be sued and called to court in legal matters. The whole legal mess is in it’s infancy.

  23. thraiderskin says: Jul 19, 2012 10:44 AM

    This is definetly in the purview of the B1G. This is also one of many things that psu needs to be worried about going forward. The actions of this school made the entire conference look bad, they broke a lot of laws and most importantly, they let a lot of boys get hurt.

  24. woebegong says: Jul 19, 2012 10:46 AM

    The healing involves a great many people than just those physically involved. This gets right down to the core, of American Society and values as well. It is a time for correction as well to insure this never takes place on this scale again in college life.

  25. woebegong says: Jul 19, 2012 10:51 AM

    Couldn’t tell you myself. I was born before they had the internet. It does increase revenue I guess for the sponsor as some folks actually look at the advertisements on a web page. Kids influence parents to buy them neat stuff, LOL. Or is that coerce these days?

  26. OchentaYcinco says: Jul 19, 2012 10:56 AM

    What the extra benefits given certain players does, is give them an advantage over their own team mates, because those guys didn’t have the extra money, they could have made by selling their own memorabilia.

    That’s true, but it’s not the “competitive advantage” that we’re talking about in terms of penalties. It’s the advantages one program has over another competitively, not who can afford nicer sneakers. We’re obviously not equating the situations, but I think the argument can be made that, competitively, coaches are as important or more important than players. One, they’re likely at the school much longer. Plus, they impact on-field product, recruiting, fundraising, etc. If their value wasn’t so great competitively, they wouldn’t make the outrageous sums they do.

    Again, I’m not advocating for any particular outcome, and I don’t have a dog in this fight, I just think the accepted definition of “competitive advantage” is kind of arbitrary and a strange line to draw and it’s not one I’ve heard discussed much.

  27. woebegong says: Jul 19, 2012 10:56 AM

    I haven’t heard about Michigan. It hasn’t made the headlines I guess.
    As far as football goes in relationship to revenue. My school, UGA made over 72 million last year in football, and that revenue helps pay for improvement to facilities, funds non profit title 9 sports as well, as other low revenue sports. Like it or not, on almost any NCAA div. 1 team, with the exception of a few power house basketball schools, football is the biggest revenue generator in college sports.

  28. spydey629 says: Jul 19, 2012 11:00 AM

    Penn State – Class of 2001.

    I have heard/seen a lot of things thrown around over this ordeal, but this may very well be the craziest one yet.

    The “Death Penalty” punishes the football team from something they had no part of, just their coach… which I get, but still feel is excessive.

    But now we’re going to punish the field hockey, soccer, basketball, softball, tennis, baseball, and tiddlywink teams, too? Just because Penn State is stitched to the jersey?

    Nothing anyone can do will EVER make up for the horrors that Sandusky committed. The school is going to be hit in the wallet soon enough, once the civil suits start rolling in, but seriously where is the line drawn?

    Not that I think this could remotely happen anyway. The B1G has their high and mighty plans for a Big Ten Hockey Conference in 2013. They can’t make that happen without Penn State…

  29. makeham98 says: Jul 19, 2012 11:37 AM

    These “nothing is off the table” stories certainly appeal to the extremists. What do you expect them to say? “We did a quick read through and have concluded that the death penalty should not be considered”? Get a grip, the process will take time.

  30. mm0626 says: Jul 19, 2012 11:43 AM

    Woebegone – “pretty distasteful”….. Are you serious?!! It was disgusting, and wasn’t a scandal, it was a crime against children. The “scandal” is a result of multiple crimes including perjury, conspiracy, etc. Also, in some cases a strong message needs to be sent to set the precedent/example that this behavior will not be tolerated and the whole situation will never happen again. The punishment should be swift and harsh, without concern for current players. With fundraising at PSU at record levels, it doesn’t sound like the U will suffer much as the conscience level seems to be ok.

    Agree with the other poster that your “healing” crap is misguided at best, and probably a little pretentious.

  31. thekatman says: Jul 19, 2012 11:43 AM

    Any sort of NCAA sanctions and penalties that affect the current roster of players isn’t a good idea. I know, as a USC fan, the current group of kids are being penalized for a botched NCAA investigation against Reggie Bush and USC that started back in 2006. The affect of the sanctions and penalties affect the program for schollies until 2015. These kids didn’t create the problem.

    As for PSU, the NCAA must grant the players of all athletics programs “free agency”, shut down the football program for 2 years and heavily fine the university (all monies earned in every bowl game since 1998, opst season play, etc, polus compensatory damages). This problem was not just an athletic dept problem but one that was denied, hidden or washed over by all levels of the university administration, the campus PD, local PD, and facilities department.

    With USC receiving, what Paul Dee hoped would be the death penalty, without issuing it, anything less than the DP to PSU adds to the fact that the NCAA needs to be disbanded or at least their control over athletics needs to be taken away and another organization, one that is not judge, jury, investigator and executioner.

  32. coolhorn says: Jul 19, 2012 11:56 AM

    Just my two cents worth, but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for Penn State to get the death penalty from the NCAA. If I’m Penn State fan (Which thankfully, I’m not!) I wouldn’t get too worked up about being kicked out of the B1G either.

    I look for the NCAA to hear Penn State’s side of things soon, then “study” the matter, and come out with a statement that say, in so many words, “The Sandusky crimes are a matter to be resolved by law enforcement and the courts, and don’t fall within the purview of the NCAA.” Some penalties related to lack of institutional control might be imposed, but I haven’t seen the NCAA show enough cojones to impose the death penalty against Penn State.

    Delaney may conduct some kind of study, and B1G Presidents might impose some kind of conference sanctions on Penn State in addition to anything from the NCAA, but I would think it would be hard to impossible to find enough votes to kick Penn State out of the conference.

    Right now, some tough positions are being taken against that school verbally, but when all is said and done, I look for a lot more to be said than done. Penn State’s not gonna escape any punishment, but I doubt a “nuclear winter” is headed their way either.

  33. fido1949 says: Jul 19, 2012 12:10 PM

    As I read the comments posted I keep seeing an error over and over again…..Penn St did something wrong. The institution did not committ any wrongdoing, certain members of its administration did the misdeeds. What happened there is beyond disgusting, and the people responsible should be boiled in oil, tarred and feathered, and keelhauled, then sent to prison where Bubba, Joe Bob and Hoss can have their way with them. Sanctioning the University and its football program should not include the death penalty or expulsion from the Conference. Let the criminals be punished by the legal system, and task PSU to purge any remnant of the football staff and school administration that were culpable. If several members of a major corporation’s management were caught committing the same acts the entire corporation wouldn’t be shut down. Only the perps would be punished. I seem to remember hearing somewhere that that is the American Way.

  34. murrmite says: Jul 19, 2012 12:11 PM

    If Penn State does not receive the death penalty it would be a shame on everyone. This situation started within the football program and continued through the administration. I love college football and Penn State is one of the great programs that defines college sports, however I do believe they even need to be expelled from the Big Ten. There are plenty of programs who would jump at the chance to fill in. The actions of a coach and the admins cannot be just dismissed. I can’t believe that this isn’t a no brainer, so limited concern for the actual vitims and so much for a storied atheletic team, a sport’s team. Some little kid(s) who did nothing to deserve what was done and everyone’s worried about a coaches memory and a college sports team being allowed to play a game. Just think, all those year everyone held Penn State as the standard, now all this comes out. It’s a shame, no one is above the law except for Penn State’s football team.
    The thing is, there may have been a limited number of incidents with inappropriate behavior, but just one is too many. And to go, sweep it under a rug and dimiss it, sure beats paying players in my book.

  35. poppyitis says: Jul 19, 2012 12:16 PM

    While it is true that many colleges are losing their image, the situation at Penn St. is just so horrible and unacceptable and immoral that it sets PSU aside in this respect. For a university’s top people to hide, ignore and lie about such a horrible situation , should get all of whatever they can legally be charged with. NO ONE can convince me that not only did the administration know about this, but I include the players, and much of the student body. I doubt that a degree form PSU is gong to be worth much in upcoming years.

  36. jonsey2028 says: Jul 19, 2012 12:28 PM

    I think this will be a good idea for the Big 10, Penn State will only drag the rest of the conference down with them ( from a public relations standpoint ); why should the rest of us suffer with this pathetic excuse for University & Student Body & Alumni that has no remorse for what occurred and thinks donating money & protecting it’s legacy & tradition supersedes all.

  37. woebegong says: Jul 19, 2012 12:35 PM

    I don’t think anybody is saying that what took place is darn disgusting and a major crime. because it involves the defenseless, but do you really think anything can be accomplished by putting PSU on a death penalty. Would it be a Baylor type death penalty for what 2 or 3 years. Would you ban them forever? What will it accomplish? Will child molestation never happen again. Will it prevent certain players from sexually abusing others? To give Penn. State the death penalty will serve to bury the incident relatively quick over all, and this is something that needs to be out there for a while, so all colleges can insure they don’t have the makings of the same type incident. I think the NCAA can punish them quite well, without burying the program. As i said it is a horrible crime, but PSU has a long and storied career in college football, and Sandusky hasn’t always been there.
    Don’t get me confused as a fan of the school either, as I am way down south in alliance and home, but I think there are far better ways than jumping to the extremes in this case. The big 10 is acting like a
    bunch of rabid dogs, going after the weakest animal they can. They should be offering help and not abandon their brethren so quickly.

  38. Scott Hevel says: Jul 19, 2012 12:43 PM

    Did the BIG consider evicting Michigan after it’s academic scandal?

  39. psunick says: Jul 19, 2012 12:56 PM

    Kick Penn State out of the Big Ten? Out of the NCAA? Come on, now.

    Can’t everyone see how we’re being played? All of these news stories…all of this vitriol…all of this hatred and self righteous finger pointing by the media…

    Can you even imagine what the television ratings will be for the Nittany Lion football games this fall?

    No way does any partner in this mess give up the golden eggs that this goose is about to lay.

  40. moochzilla says: Jul 19, 2012 1:09 PM

    What possible upside would there be to booting PSU out of the conference?

    And no, Notre Dame would not want to join – even at gunpoint.

  41. jonsey2028 says: Jul 19, 2012 1:12 PM

    @ thekatman; I do not disagree with your point but, in the case regarding the NCAA’s botched investigation of USC I think your doing a disservice to the NCAA & the late Paul Dee. The NCAA did not botch the investigation, and to describe it as botched is unfair and frankly dishonest. USC stonewalled Paul Dee and the NCAA and refused to cooperate with all parties regarding this matter. The preferred course of action the NCAA requires as outlined in its compliance bylaws, the University should report all wrong doings and violation’s to its compliance officer & immediately self investigate, and enforce its own penalties, the NCAA will follow up with an formal inquiry and its own investigation and decide further sanctions if necessary. Paul Dee helped outline these steps for Schools specifically to avoid what happened at Penn State, so no person/person’s would have control over any athletic department or university.

  42. stoutfiles says: Jul 19, 2012 1:32 PM

    So we’re all on board with the Death Penalty then? Good.

  43. infectorman says: Jul 19, 2012 1:48 PM

    What is accomplished by ending a schools program in this case. Does it heal those that were victims? Does it help the school get a quicker resolution with those involved? Does it help those players now on the team or that might consider that team in the future?


    You sound “woefully” inexperienced in the world with the tack you’re taking on this.
    To answer you first question in a word: “deterrent”

    2nd Question: Yes, I’m sure some healing can be had knowing that the assaults and crimes committed over more than a decade against a group of young boys that were essentially sponsored by this University and it’s greed to protect its football program, would afford some measure of relief and satisfaction in their minds and hearts. Although, to most rationale observers, it matters not whether it helps these people or not- as the crimes are FAR too egregious, conspiratorial and sinister to spare the rod against PSU.

    They need to made an example of, and to hell with the consequences that follow, is the way most feel about this.

    3rd Question: no and it’s completely irrelevant
    For you to link resolution and punishment is a confused immature attempt on your part to marginalize this atrocity.

    4th question: let them all leave as there will be no football at PSU for at least 3 years.

    PSU needs to re-organize from the ground up and find a new mission statement that accurately reflects where their headed, as they’ve been going in the wrong direction for well beyond a decade more than a decade.

    Football should be all done at this school until they clean house entirely, period.

  44. 700levelvet says: Jul 19, 2012 1:52 PM

    Kinda funny…….The competitive BS being exposed and spoken here, as if the comments are made by are NCAA worms, everyone knows it’s all about money, and nothing will be done, this is the NCAA afterall who let the OSU players participate in the bowl game, but laid down the law later…….After money was made, this is what the NCAA is all about, using basically children, do you think they care?………Have you paid attention for the last 50 years? The PSU athletic programs funded thru blood money should be shut down….Don’t give me this crap about the womans lacrosse team or whatever……..Their equip. and feild time was provided by a coccon of child molesters………

  45. thekatman says: Jul 19, 2012 1:53 PM

    jonsey2028 – as outlined in the NCAA docs, USC fully and completely cooperated and was deemed to have not done anything actually wrong and against any NCAA regs..

    Allow me to educate you about USC’s NCAA sanctions so that your ignorance does not continue unchecked into your next workplace environment, or in conversations with your family and friends. You need to stop sipping the Haterade. You should know why you should be rooting for USC instead of gleefully rejoicing in their incredibly unfair punishment.

    What is the most common statement made about USC and their NCAA penalties? Any casual college football fan will tell you that USC got slammed for paying their players. “USC paid Reggie Bush more than the Saints did his rookie year” etc. etc. This is a supposed to be funny, but I’ll tell you why I still find it intellectually insulting:
    1) Reggie and his family didn’t actually receive that much money – probably something in the neighborhood of $50-$60k
    2) Reggie was paid by sports marketers from San Diego with no affiliation to the university, Lloyd Lake and Michael Michaels, 2 San Diego criminals.
    3) USC received no benefit from the money Reggie took. The cash didn’t start coming until after his second season with the university, and Reggie left as soon as he could for the NFL (after his third season). So he didn’t attend USC because of the money, and he didn’t stay because of the money. If anything, it convinced him to leave as soon as possible.
    4) The NCAA’s report on USC does not mention anyone from the university providing any special treatment to Reggie or his family. Rather, USC got punished for what the university “should have known” about one of its star student-athletes while he was on the roster.
    Let me repeat that for you – USC’s football team is on sanctions for what the NCAA says the school “should have known” about one of its 2,200 student-athletes’ interactions with individuals with no affiliations with the university,and from 120 miles away from campus (i.e. these guys are not even boosters). Just to be clear, this is a new standard of oversight imposed by the NCAA with no previous precedent.

    So what did the Bush family take that USC’s coaches and compliance team should have obviously caught onto?
    – Rent-free, furnished housing in San Diego for approximately 12 months (let’s estimate $3k/month rent for a total value of $36,000)
    – $13,000 to $15,000 for a Chevy Impala for Reggie, which he paid about $8000 from his own savings.
    – Travel expenses for Reggie and his family, including an offseason trip to Vegas for Reggie, a 2005 road game at Cal, the 2005 Heisman ceremony in New York, and the 2006 Orange Bowl. Let’s guess high and say the total cost was $10,000. That brings us to a total high-end estimate of about $61,000.

    First, the house. There’s absolutely no way the school can know if someone is providing free housing to the parents of a student-athlete who live three hours away. That’s like saying UT should know whether all of its athletes’ parents are paying for their own housing, even parents that live in Houston, San Antonio, or Dallas. There is no university in the country with that kind of compliance department.

    Next, the car. Reggie previously drove a ’94 Ranger. He registered his ‘new’ car (something all schools are required to track) as a ’98 Impala, which it was. If you see that upgrade, are you raising a red flag and investigating? If it’s 2005 and your star from a lower-middle-class family is driving a ’98 Impala, are you worried about where he got it? I didn’t think so. And the photo of Reggie with the car and some tricked out rims and a stero was taken after he left USC and was already signed by The Saints.

    Travel expenses – Reggie’s stepdad was a pastor and his mother worked for the state corrections department. Is it unusual for them to travel to a road game 5 hours from LA, or to pony up the cash to attend their son’s Heisman ceremony and National Championship game? The school provides tickets to parents for all home and away games – should they have been suspicious that Reggie’s parents actually decided to use them?
    The NCAA says yes. The Infractions Committee that heard USC’s case, chaired by Paul Dee (remember that name), said in their report that “high profile players demand high profile compliance.” Again, and I hope you’re picking up the theme here, this is a standard of oversight and monitoring that had never before been communicated by the NCAA. Literally, never. It’s not in a single NCAA bylaw. Why? Because it doesn’t’ make sense. Who determines what is ‘high-profile’? Is the best player at Louisiana Tech ‘high profile’? What about Colorado State? Cal? Does an All-American water polo player fit that description, or just football and basketball players? Does it mean All-Conference? All-American? Should it be based on Lee Kiper’s mock drafts? It’s an arbitrary qualitative assessment, and it’s impossible to enforce. I’ll say one more thing on this – I was there in 2005 in 2006, working for the football team. Obviously this means I’m highly biased and defensive toward the USC football team. But I saw Reggie’s parents at the games when I was working for the team. I saw him driving his ’98 Impala. At no point did I think there was anything unusual happening. Honest to goodness truth, which is why it annoys me to no end when people say they know Pete Carroll & Co. knew about it. It’s a dumb assumption made by people who want the worst to be true, 99% of whom have never really been around college athletics.

    Ultimately in holding the school accountable for the actions of a student and non-affiliated individuals, the NCAA hung their hat on this:
    1) Some of the sports marketers entered the USC locker room on two occasions
    2) They believe that Reggie’s running backs coach Todd McNair knew Reggie was on the take

    On point #1, this did happen, no doubt. But lots of people were allowed in the locker room. USC had open practices. They had celebrities and NFL scouts and reporters and families and youth football teams and local community kids on the sidelines at practice constantly. There are people lined up outside the practice field before and after with memorabilia for autographing. There were TV cameras at every practice. USC had a lax security policy, something they’ve since tightened up. But is this an unpardonable sin when you’re the #1 team in the country in the media capital of the world? Yeah, these guys got into the practice locker room (not the locker room at the Coliseum), but again, I don’t see how this is a red flag, when all kinds of people were coming and going.

    #2 – The NCAA has no real proof that McNair knew about Reggie. What they have is two pieces of circumstantial evidence. The first is a photograph of McNair and a friend with two of the sports marketers in the background of the photo. I’m not kidding, that’s one of their pieces of evidence. The second piece of evidence is that one of the sports marketers, Lloyd Lake, a convicted felon, called McNair in the spring of 2006. This was after Reggie’s junior season was over, he had already decided to go pro, and was no longer interested in helping these fledgling marketers start a business. So Lake and his buddies got understandably pissed and started threatening to go public with the story. At some point, Reggie stopped answering his phone, and these guys got desperate and called his coach. So there’s a 2 minute phone call, which no one knows the contents of, and a very unconvincing photograph. That’s it. I will say, the circumstantial evidence doesn’t look good. It obviously doesn’t. But what did the NCAA prove? Nothing, except that they take the testimony of 2 convicted felons with a failed sports marketing venture over that of an assistant coach. Furthermore, they’re inferring that McNair knew about the matter while Reggie was still on the football team, when this call happened after the 2006 season was already over.

    Just for comparison, let’s take a look at Cam Newton. Multiple witnesses (none of them felons) claimed that Cecil Newton asked to be paid $180k for his son to go to Mississippi State before he ever played a down for Auburn. In this instance the NCAA dropped the investigation for lack of evidence. Please explain to me how the evidence against Newton was weaker than the evidence against McNair. Happy to hear you parse that one out.

    Ok, so in summary of what we’ve covered so far, Reggie took money, no doubt about it. The money he took did not benefit USC or the football team in the least. And finally, the NCAA hammered USC for failing to meet a standard of oversight that had never previously been communicated, based on evidence that was thinner than any previous NCAA judgment involving penalties. The NCAA’s report itself says, “This case was not like any others.” No ****. Additionally, you’ve got to remember that the NCAA spent four years investigating USC football and basketball, and found no other instances of rule-breaking by members of the football team. Four years of investigating and they found nothing worth mentioning in their report that did not involve Reggie Bush, when USC was putting 10-15 guys into the NFL draft every year. But they cited the school for ‘lack of institutional control’ and issued the worst football sanctions since the SMU death penalty.

    So what was this finding against USC really all about? In the NCAA’s report, they make the following statement: “The general campus environment surrounding the violations troubled the committee.” Please read that again. The general campus environment. Seriously, that’s what they’re making qualitative statements about. What this comes down to, ultimately, is that the NCAA got embarrassed. Yahoo broke a story about a star player on a national championship team taking a bunch of money. The NCAA spent four years investigating. Opposing fans nationwide were clamoring to see a powerful program get dealt with, and at the same time articles were being written questioning whether USC would be punished at all. And in four years the investigators came up with an ambiguous photo, a 2-minute phone call, and testimony from an ex-con that would never hold up in a court of law. They were looking foolish, and they felt they had to make a statement. So Paul Dee dropped the hammer.

    Thoughts from impartial observers:
    CBS Sports (Bryan Fischer): ”Forget the legalese of an appeal or the words of a lawyer, USC never really understood what this case was truly about. The NCAA thought USC was arrogant. It was, and that was its greatest crime.”

    Sports Illustrated (Stewart Mandel): “From the day the punishment was announced, the sanctions seemed unnecessarily harsh, considering they involved the indiscretions of a single player and rogue parties with no ties to the school. It seemed the Committee was making an example out of the Trojans because of the case’s high-profile nature (as evidenced by Chairman Paul Dee’s ‘high profile players demand high profile compliance’ line). Since then, we’ve seen numerous other cases involving ‘high profile players’ (Cam Newton, Terrelle Pryor) in which the school paid little or no price…We’ll never know exactly why Dee’s Committee came down so hard on USC, but the school’s adversarial response likely played a big part. Whether or not that’s fair is another matter entirely… You’d be hard-pressed to find precedent for a school hit so hard over activities by parties with no association to the university.”

    ESPN (Ted Miller): “During a flight delay last year, I was cornered at an airport by an administrator from a major program outside the Pac-12. He made fun of me as a “USC fanboy” because of my rants against the NCAA ruling against the Trojans. But we started talking. Turned out he agreed with just about all my points. (He just didn’t like USC.) He told me, after some small talk and off-the-record, that “everybody” thought USC got screwed. He said that he thought the NCAA was trying to scare everyone with the ruling, but subsequent major violations cases put it in a pickle. Then he told me that USC was punished for its “USC-ness,” that while many teams had closed down access — to media, to fans, etc. — USC under Pete Carroll was completely open, and that was widely resented. There was a widespread belief the national media fawned on USC because of this. Further, more than a few schools thought that the presence of big-time celebrities, such as Snoop Dogg and Will Ferrell, at practices and at games constituted an unfair recruiting advantage for the Trojans. It wasn’t against the rules, but everyone hated it. This, as he assessed his own smell test, was a subtext of the so-called atmosphere of noncompliance that the NCAA referred to — an atmosphere that oddly yielded very few instances of noncompliance around the football program even after a four-year NCAA investigation.”

    I think I’ve sufficiently substantiated that USC got royally screwed by an investigation team and Infractions Committee with an agenda that had no basis in the NCAA rule book. But the real screwing hasn’t even been laid out. Let’s talk about the sanctions. USC was given a 2-year postseason ban, docked 30 scholarships over 3 years, limited to 75 total scholarships over that same 3-year period, and was forced to allow all its upperclassmen to transfer if they so chose (USC lost 5-10 players because of this transfer rule). As I said before, this is the harshest penalty assessed against a school since the SMU death penalty.

    Let’s look at other major NCAA investigations in the past 20 years and the penalties assigned (ignoring irrelevant garbage like vacated wins – though USC’s sanctions were the worst there too, due to a lost 12-win season and Heisman Trophy forfeited) :

    Miami, 1995
    Crime: University officials helped students fraudulently obtain Pell Grants – the school was directly responsible for providing more than $630,000 in extra benefits over four years to more than 140 student-athletes in four sports.
    Punishment: One year bowl ban, loss of 31 total scholarships over three years, limit of total 80 scholarships. Athletic Director at the time of these sanctions? You guessed it, Mr. Paul Dee, from 1993 to 2008. Also, I’m sure you heard last year, a Miami booster named Nevin Shapiro who ran a $930 million Ponzi scheme in Miami has testified to federal investigators that he provided hundreds of thousands of dollars in impermissible benefits to more than 70 Hurricanes athletes from 2002 to 2010 (mostly during Dee’s tenure), including paying for prostitutes and abortions. Shapiro at one point tried to physically assault the school’s compliance officer, yet was allowed to host fundraisers standing side by side the university’s president and even ran out of the tunnel with the team for a bowl game. Sanctions still pending, but they are likely to be less than those of USC. I’m not making this up.

    Alabama, 2002
    Crime: 11 major violations — one was later withdrawn — and five minor charges under two former coaches. Most flagrant football violation was an agreement between a booster and a high school player’s coach to pay $115,000 for the player to attend Alabama. The same booster also paid someone to take the SAT and ACT for that player (Albert Means) so that he would qualify academically.
    Punishment: Two year bowl ban, loss of 21 scholarships over three years.

    UNC, 2010
    Crime: A former tutor “constructed significant parts of writing assignments” for three players and provided more than $4,000 in impermissible benefits to players after she graduated. This tutor had personal ties to the head coach, Butch Davis. Seven football players accepted more than $27,500 in benefits, including cash, flights, meals, lodging, athletic training, admission to clubs and jewelry from agents and their subordinates. Lastly, and this is the kicker, an assistant coach, John Blake, was compensated by a sports agent for the access he provided to student-athletes, and failed to disclose the income to the university. Multiple players from UNC ultimately signed with that sports agency. Please read that again: an assistant coach was a paid employee of a sports agency that signed multiple UNC athletes. I couldn’t make this up if I tried! Please punch yourself in the face and then try to understand how the NCAA considered this to not be a ‘lack of institutional control’ on par with USC.
    Punishment: 1-year postseason ban and 9 scholarships over three years.

    Ohio State, 2010
    Crime: Eight players taking a total of $14,000 in cash and tattoos in exchange for jerseys, rings and other Buckeyes memorabilia. Furthermore the head football coach lied to investigators about his knowledge of the situation, and five of those players were allowed to compete in a bowl game by the university, who told the NCAA ‘nothing to see here.’
    Punishment: One-year postseason ban and 9 scholarships over three years.

    Let’s summarize shall we?
    (See Attached)
    See any punishments on there that look slightly disproportionate to the crime? Okay, a few more reasons to despise the NCAA and what they did to USC:
    – In justifying the infractions against USC, the NCAA stated that they cannot not look at precedent in establishing penalties because (paraphrasing) ‘every case is unique.’ USC Athletic Director Pat Haden after the USC appeal was denied: “If we have to prove an abuse of discretion and there is no standard because you can’t use past precedents, how do you prove an abuse of discretion? I don’t know how you overcome the burden. It’s kind of circular.”
    – In subsequent NCAA cases, the NCAA began citing precedents for the penalties imposed against Ohio State and Boise State. Please put yourself in the shoes of a USC fan. Yes this is really happening.

    A few final thoughts on USC’s absurdly unfair sanctions:
    ESPN (Ted Miller): “Multiple lawyers have said two scholarships for every ineligible player was the general precedent set by the Committee on Infractions. Reporters at the Mock Enforcement Experience were told the same thing by those in the NCAA. Reggie Bush’s ineligibility turned into 30 scholarships over three years.”
    “The NCAA treated USC unfairly — everybody in college sports knows this — and it likely won’t revisit such irrational harshness. In the end, the justification for such severe penalties, meted out in contrast to past precedent, was little more than ‘just because.’ But the NCAA, an organization not endowed with a sense of self-awareness, failed to foresee when it curb-stomped USC that among the lawbreakers in college football, the Trojans were jaywalkers amid a mob of bank robbers…If anything, it sure seems the committee is trying to set a new precedent. It’s holding USC responsible for the sins of not just Bush and Mayo… but all the star athletes and seedy brokers everywhere whose misdeeds go unreported. They spent four years building their case in order to use it as a global deterrent.”

    Sports Illustrated (Stewart Mandel): “Consider: USC received almost the same exact penalties that Alabama did in 2002 (two-year bowl ban, 21 scholarships) for a case in which the school’s own boosters made payments to recruits…In other words, in the committee’s eyes, USC’s failure to monitor a player’s relationship with those seeking to cash in on his future earnings is every bit as serious as Alabama’s failure to monitor supporters trying to help secure future wins for their favorite team… “
    Ok, the rant is over. If you’re not convinced that USC’s reputation and sanctions are a complete sham, then you never will be. On a somewhat related topic, if you ever want to read an extensive and thorough article about how absurd the NCAA is, and how they’re essentially a Mafia-like organization that keeps all schools in line through fear and intimidation, read the following:…ge-sports/8643/

    Lastly, you should be rooting for USC this year. You should be rooting for them because they’re led by a stellar QB with a heart of gold who takes missionary trips during his school breaks, is still dating his high school girlfriend, and is completely genuine (he’s kind of a dork). You should be rooting for them because they’ve had one player arrested in the past three years (cough cough, Florida). You should be rooting for them because Lane Kiffin, despite media reports, is a pretty funny dude who is pulling top-10 recruiting classes when he’s allowed to sign 10 fewer guys than anyone else around. His dad is his defensive coordinator for goodness sake! It’s adorable! You should root for them because they went on the road last year, played only 43 scholarship guys and beat a top-10 Oregon team, then beat UCLA 50-0, and had to sit at home and watch those two teams play for the Pac-12 ‘Championship.’ You should be rooting for them because when they had nothing to play for last year, they went 10-2 with an incredibly young team. And you should be rooting for them because, if they can make a title run this year like they’re capable of, it will be the biggest middle finger to the NCAA I can imagine.

    Fight On brohters and sisters.
    Beat everybody!

  46. woebegong says: Jul 19, 2012 2:04 PM

    Infector man.
    My friend when you can tell me that I am so immature and all this other crap you think you are a authority on, then I might respect your opinion to some degree. Trying to insult a person you do not know, and believe, even at 63, you probably wouldn’t want to meet me, and say crap like that to my face, doesn’t impress me to take anything you spout seriously.
    I know all about restitution, retribution, revenge or what ever you think should be put on Penn. State. I spent 21 years in the service and the retribution thing is sometimes the only thing you look forward to when facing an enemy.
    I am willing to discuss with anyone their point of view when they can act as an adult. I think maturity is very lacking in your case, so I see no reason to discuss, anything with you.

  47. 700levelvet says: Jul 19, 2012 2:06 PM

    #21………Reggie bush is a turd……..#22……….And a NFL bust……….#23…….man crush?

  48. 700levelvet says: Jul 19, 2012 2:12 PM

    hell……what a post fatman………are you unemployed?……..tell mom you need some more hotpockets……plant a tree, get a date, take a walk.,something…….christ

  49. latrobe21 says: Jul 19, 2012 2:25 PM

    PSU bashers haven’t lived in reality since the scandal broke. Judging by their weak, repetitive spews, I doubt most are intelligent enough to read and comprehend any Chronicles of Higher Education article . . .

  50. rickrock6661982 says: Jul 19, 2012 2:52 PM

    Kicking out Penn State wouldn’t be that big of a deal.

    They don’t exactly have same relevance as a program before joining the Big 10.

  51. jonsey2028 says: Jul 19, 2012 3:20 PM

    @ TheKatman; your full of it! The investigation took ALMOST SIX YEARS, you’re an apologist for USC, spew all the crap you wan,t the lack of cooperation is the reason why! Wich is why the University CLEANED HOUSE YOU MORON! & good ole PETE left town a season before the SH!T hit the fan, so go on a keep believing USC got railroaded.

  52. thekatman says: Jul 19, 2012 3:24 PM

    jonsey2028 With all due respect you obviously have not read the NCAA docs. And by the tone of your comment, an adolescent as well.
    Bitter too, eh?

  53. jonsey2028 says: Jul 19, 2012 3:28 PM

    @thekatman: not bitter, obviously the truth hurts you, eh?

  54. jonsey2028 says: Jul 19, 2012 3:33 PM

    @thekatman: Thats a very long & well thought out response in defense of USC, Usually when someone has that much to say in there defense it means they’re full of …well you know, eh?

  55. bigbuckeye76 says: Jul 19, 2012 3:43 PM

    I don’t care if they get kicked out or not..but if this “scandal” does not merrit the death penalty, then what does?

  56. thraiderskin says: Jul 19, 2012 4:42 PM

    hey katman… didn’t OJ mayo also cause USC’s issues? While he is basketball, he is part of the INSTITUTION’s athletics program. I haven’t done a lot of reading on USC, well except your massive posting(which is from a, more than, biased source).

  57. ghengy says: Jul 19, 2012 5:19 PM

    This is all so entertaining. LOL

  58. infectorman says: Jul 19, 2012 5:28 PM


    who said anything about a discussion?

    To be accurate, I didn’t insult you, I insulted your attempt to link resolution with the punishment in terms in the context of expediency.

    First comes the resolution, which is a long way in terms of deciding culpability and upon whom it falls.

    THEN, we decide the punishment based upon the level of the crime committed…i.e. the active coverup that may have involved FAR more people than the 4 horsemen of this apocalypse.

    My apologies that I offended your person. I only insult one other person on here, and that is due to his insulting of me for many years on these sites.

    Bottom line, I fervently disagree with your post and I believe PSU should be held accountable for the long-term systemic failure to protect children in their care, period.

    While I feel badly for the young adults within the school, both athletes and non, I don’t believe their welfare is of primary importance in this matter.
    This is a much larger issue then “what do we do for the football players and students who attend the school. from the outside looking in, it is FAR more important to hodl those accountable that should be punished byt the LAW, not the NCAA and not the Big Ten. Sports related concessions should also be part of the final outcome, Sever ones at that, considering it’s highly likely that this would not have occurred to the degree it did were it not for protecting the PSU football program

  59. jdh1016j says: Jul 19, 2012 7:40 PM

    All this talk is pointless. There is no government, ncaa, or league official that will do anything. College football and basketball go by there own rules. There will never be proper punishment for what has occurred. At risk children are of no value to these people, but college sports put lots of money into there pockets. If covering up child abuse of this nature doesn’t warrant the death penalty, then can someone tell what would?

  60. omniusprime says: Jul 19, 2012 7:43 PM

    The Big Ten officials, like the NCAA, are a bunch of cowards who won’t punish Pedophile State properly. The NCAA has to give Pedophile State the Death Penalty in order to send the proper message to the whole crowd of college sports programs and colleges that they had better protect children from abuse and report crimes to the police in a very timely fashion rather than covering them up in whitewash sham investigations.

    Pedophile State Tear Down that Statue!

    NCAA Give Pedophile State the Death Penalty!

  61. charlescub80 says: Jul 19, 2012 8:25 PM

    I don’t mind the statue. It just needs to be modified a bit. It needs to be turned around, with one hand covering his eyes, and the other with his thumb up his ass. Thanks for doing nothing when kids needed you JoePa!

  62. mattlion says: Jul 19, 2012 9:29 PM

    poppyitis says: Jul 19, 2012 12:16 PM

    While it is true that many colleges are losing their image, the situation at Penn St. is just so horrible and unacceptable and immoral that it sets PSU aside in this respect. For a university’s top people to hide, ignore and lie about such a horrible situation , should get all of whatever they can legally be charged with. NO ONE can convince me that not only did the administration know about this, but I include the players, and much of the student body. I doubt that a degree form PSU is gong to be worth much in upcoming years.

    I am PSU class of 2000, so Sandusky was on the staff my 4 falls there. This poster above is a mess. “Much of the student body”???? Give me a break. Let’s keep the discussion civil.

  63. latchbeam says: Jul 19, 2012 10:38 PM


  64. psunick says: Jul 19, 2012 11:04 PM


  65. tomtravis76 says: Jul 20, 2012 12:42 AM

    Whats sad here is that the presidents of other schools and conferences are praying the Big 10 kicks PSU out, so they all can get its rabid fanbase in their conference, once again telling everyone that the only thing that matters is the money.

  66. acieu says: Jul 20, 2012 5:25 AM

    Why are they making fun of Canadian accents eh?

  67. craigtoe says: Jul 20, 2012 8:54 AM

    Some commentators write that PSU gained no competitive advantage. In one sense they didn’t. In another sense they did. They were able to continue their football program without the disruptions that a Sandusky disclosure would have caused. This included the continued coaching by Paterno who even in decline was a competitive advantage in some respects.

  68. dadsource says: Jul 20, 2012 10:01 AM

    The shame, embarrassment, humiliation, anger, disbelief, and chaos that comes now with being a Penn State grad are almost more than I can bear. Living in the South with the great SEC here, when Penn State was having down years, I would at least be able to say “I never have to apologize for being a Penn State fan”. No major violations, no sanctions, no NCAA probes, squeaky clean. Shoot, when a player skipped class, Joe knew about it and he was off the team. If a player slacked academically, he was off the team until the grades were back up. If a player got in ANY trouble, he was off the team. Joe was SOOOO adamant about this, he didn’t want anything to bring shame to the program. And it was never about Joe- it was about the University. He always put the University first, academics, character, then football.

    He lived in a modest house that wouldn’t even fit my family. He turned down NFL jobs, gave millions back to the University, and was regarded as a Saint. All those years of building up that kind of reputation is why Joe gets the benefit of the doubt from the PSU faithful. If he knew what was going on with Sandusky, we feel for SURE he would have punched him in the face! Right?

    White helmets, jerseys with no names, black shoes, and hard-nosed football. No retired numbers ever. PSU football.

    The Sandusky issue caught everyone off guard. It went from denial to anger to shock to outrage. The fact that it fell on Joe’s head and that the media and public were so quick to vilify/crucify the man when WE knew his history dealing with discipline issues was outrageous to us. Skip a class? Off the team. Fail a final? Off the team. Accept a suit from an agent to go to the Heisman ceremony? No bowl game for you. Surely Joe either didn’t know or there was more to this story.

    Sadly now, it appears our beloved leader DID know, and chose silence. He did report to those who should have done something, but we don’t know there response or how they handled it. Joe did what he was supposed to do, but knowing the sensitivity of this situation, he was morally obligated to do more. I honestly think he was a little senile/naive on the subject, and just couldn’t understand/get his head around the perversion of it all…..

    Joe Paterno made Penn State football, and defined a nation when it came to character, ethics, and doing things the right way. Unfortunately, when it came time to make the most important call of his career, he fumbled, and hoped it would go away. It did not, and we’ve seen the biggest fall from grace in the history of man.

    Penn State fans are devastated, torn, hurt, angered, outraged, and are going through an internal struggle the likes of which no other college program will ever see. Are we mad at Joe. Yes! Disappointed, devastated, shoot- words don’t exist that cover the gamut of emotions that I’ve gone through over the past year.

    What needs to happen now? Leadership, accountability, and change. Punish the people involved. The former AD, President, Compliance Director, and the Trustees must go to jail. The University needs to become a leader in making sure this never happens again. And the somber tone that exists now at the University has to be reflected somehow. Tear the statue down? I don’t know, let’s let it stay awhile and revisit. But Paterno’s name is on EVERYTHING there, the library, the ice cream, murals…..shoot- you don’t erase the man. But it needs an asterix.

    All that is needed for evil to prevail is for good men to stand around and do nothing…..

    Why Joe?

    Let the guilty get punished, but let the students, athletes, and alumni, who are NOT guilty carry on to rebuild the reputation of this fine university. For we did nothing, and punishing us does nothing to affect those criminals who hijacked our great name in the guise of saving their own arses.

    This burns Penn Staters across the world, and we’ll never be the same, and rightly so. We’ll still cheer our football team, but I’d rather go 5-6 and do things the right way than protect a predator.

    Accountability, PSU. Let Tim Curley, Graham Spanier, and the BOT hang. But leave us out of it. We’re through being pushed around. We’re a proud bunch, and have done nothing wrong. It’s time to clear our good name and let the guilty pay. Justice must be served. But not at the hands of the innocent. Joe ‘got his’ by his absolute humiliation and suffering, then dying quickly from cancer. The world will never know his true involvement or complicity in this, so we’ll all have to make up our own minds. I will choose this: I will remember the good that Joe Paterno has done, but forever with an asterix, and the far-reaching consequences of his lack of action will rumble the earth deeper and longer than his accomplishments ever will…..

  69. latrobe21 says: Jul 20, 2012 11:20 AM

    @ Dadsource

    Terrific post – thanks from all us Penn Staters. I will never be embarrassed or intimidated to defend the university because of the actions of a few . . .

  70. savethisname says: Jul 20, 2012 2:14 PM

    I guess standing by the reasoning I have seen in the majority of these arguments, the catholic church should be shut down since so many pedophiles have popped up and in many cases been protected and concealed within the clergy. Ridiculous right? We cannot condemn an entire religion because of the actions of a few, just as we should not condemn an entire university because of the crimes committed by Sandusky and covered up by the few men involved.

  71. jdh1016j says: Jul 20, 2012 3:45 PM

    The catholic church should be shut down. Religion will go on, but the leaders in the golden palace of pedophilia should be disbanded. College football will go on as well without penn st. You are at the mercy of the leaders you have chosen. Like it or not. Put evil people in charge, suffer the consequences!

  72. craigtoe says: Jul 20, 2012 3:58 PM

    savethisname makes a good point. Said differently, don’t confuse the abusing of the thing with the thing abused.

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