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Report: PSU sanctions include ‘multi-year’ bowl ban, ‘crippling’ scholarship losses

Site of Joe Paterno's statue is seen after its removal outside Beaver Stadium in State College, Pennsylvania AP

It may not be the death penalty but, as one previous report noted, Penn State may wish the looming NCAA sanctions had been.

With NCAA president Mark Emmert set to announce “corrective and punitive measures” for the Nittany Lions football program Monday morning, Yahoo!‘s Charles Robinson has added a little detail to the looming penalties.  Per Robinson, the penalties, already described as “unprecedented,” will be “staggering.”

How staggering?  A source told Robinson that the “sanctions will include a ‘multiple-year’ bowl ban and ‘crippling’ scholarship losses.”  Additionally, Brett McMurphy of CBSSports.com tweeted that “Penn State will be fined [between] $30 million to $60 million,” with the “record fine [going] to endowment benefiting children causes.”

The exact number of years of being banned from postseason play — including the Big Ten championship game — and scholarship losses was not detailed in Robinson’s report.  In the wake of the Reggie Bush imbroglio a couple of years ago, USC was slapped with historic sanctions that included a two-year bowl ban and the loss of 30 scholarships over three years.

Rivals.com recruiting guru Mike Farrell told Cory Giger of the Altoona Mirror that “[i]f it’s 10-plus [scholarships stripped] for four years or five years, that’s absolutely crippling.”  If it’s more than that?

“If it’s 20, you might as well give them the death penalty. That’s more than crippling. That’s a death blow,” Farrell said.

Based on the Freeh report and the incomprehensible cover-up of crimes against defenseless children, a death-blow may very well be warranted.  And justified.

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  1. handsofsweed says: Jul 22, 2012 4:57 PM

    So, basically, Wisconsin just kinda has to field a team in 2012 and they are going to the Big 10 title game.

  2. thraiderskin says: Jul 22, 2012 5:02 PM

    Well, atleast this will teach universities that if they have criminal activity on their campus and it involves anyone on their football team, they will be met with the necessary fury of the NCAA.

  3. malkinrulez says: Jul 22, 2012 5:12 PM

    Wisconsin would win big 10 either way

  4. geraldthecat says: Jul 22, 2012 5:13 PM

    Don’t think it possible for Wisconsin to beat them in the title game anyway.

  5. jswheeler says: Jul 22, 2012 5:16 PM

    If this were the NFL they’d strip them of 20 scholies a year and divide them amongst the other teams ala Redskins and Cowboys cap sanctions.

  6. gojoep says: Jul 22, 2012 5:23 PM

    If this is true this shows gamesmanship instead of leadership. They are penalizing students and coaches that had NOTHING to do with the acts of disgust NOR the cover up. THOSE people SHOULD all be all out of the program completely and charged accordingly for their crimes (including the Attorney Governor – the now Governor). This is complete overreach and hypocrisy as this image protection and micro managing issue is done in 99% of high schools and colleges as the good old boys protect the “wins” over the people (and many times over education). The NCAA is using Penn State and these new kids future to grand stand a statement for their own ego and image protection and this does NOTHING for the victims and does NOTHING to attack the crimes. This sanctions is BS and the same protect the image.

  7. ashleyinnc says: Jul 22, 2012 5:24 PM

    Maybe they should go with 14 years, the same number that the top brass decided to harbor a child molester in their midst.
    I certainly hope the penalties are steep. They should be.

    http://www.thedoseofreality.com/2012/07/12/silence-is-not-an-option/

  8. beavertonsteve says: Jul 22, 2012 5:26 PM

    I smell lawyers…

  9. sageyoung says: Jul 22, 2012 5:33 PM

    So, USC gets slapped with a 2 year bowl ban and loss of 10 scholarships a year for 3 years- for something someone outside the program did- and you are suggesting that perhaps a little more of the same thing for a cover up of just about the worst thing a university can be involved in, perpetrated by almost the entire hierarchy of the school, all the way to the top- would be too harsh? Absolutlely crippling?? You’ve got to be kidding me.

    Besides, whatever you think about what USC did or didn’t do, they seem to have survived quite well.

  10. moagecu says: Jul 22, 2012 5:33 PM

    awww poor gojoepa has to watch his team field a joke for the next few years. get over your personal football loss end try and understand the gravity of the situation.

  11. jdh1016j says: Jul 22, 2012 5:35 PM

    That ginger dillweed Mcqueery should be banned from coaching for life. He could live at home with his daddy since he can’t do anything without him anyway.

  12. sailbum7 says: Jul 22, 2012 5:48 PM

    This is complete bull$hit. What Sandusky did had nothing to do with the football program or any of the players. To penalize the current players in this way is reprehensible. It is being done for the sake of image, not because the penalties have anything to do with the school violating any NCAA rules. Hell, the crimes Sandusky was convicted of occurred after he was already gone from the coaching staff. I read the Freeh report and it is long on accusations and short on evidence when it comes to the statements regarding Paterno. There is not one shred of evidence in the report that Paterno did anything to cover up Sandusky’s actions. In fact, it shows Paterno wanting more to be done, not less, about Sandusky.

  13. gmsingh says: Jul 22, 2012 6:04 PM

    Once again we have proof positive that there is a special place reserved in Hell for JoePa apologists.

  14. gmsingh says: Jul 22, 2012 6:05 PM

    In fact, it might be time to coin a new term: joe-pologists.

  15. tecmosuperhawk says: Jul 22, 2012 6:08 PM

    It’s not the NCAA’s job to serve the best interests of the victims. The law will take care of that. The reason this is an NCAA issue and correctly within their jurisdiction to punish is because Penn State officials knowingly covered up the transgressions of Sandusky. They did this to protect the image of their football program in order to continue to recruit and build their program at an elite level because that was more important to them.

  16. jdh1016j says: Jul 22, 2012 6:09 PM

    3-5 years of probation and bowl bans for 14+ years of child molestation? The catholic church is pleased!

  17. jimmy53 says: Jul 22, 2012 6:12 PM

    Why do people seem to think PSU is the only team to be penalized after those involved are already gone—this is how almost every NCAA penalty works. Reggie Bush was no longer at USC–should Meyer be penalized for what happened at OSU before him—Bowden knew nothing about his players cheating in a class and he had to forfeit wins—almost all of the Miami players involved in the scandal will be gone by the time penalties go into effect. If we listened to all of the “it’s not these players fault” whiners no team would EVER be punished. This was an institutional problem–the institution is PSU–PSU will be penalized. As for those who think suing is possible–the NCAA is a voluntary collective–PSU has no grounds to sue when they can simply leave. For those who think no rules were broken—SEE ARTCLE 2.4 AND BYLAW 10.1 OF THE NCAA CONSTITUTION.

  18. crazycane says: Jul 22, 2012 6:12 PM

    No on on current team ever have anything to do with what happened in the past whenever the NCAA hands out punishments.

  19. stevenfbrackett says: Jul 22, 2012 6:14 PM

    I would impose a post season ban for 14 years – the same length as the criminal conspiracy involving three coaches and the AD.

    And don’t cry any tears for players. They have already announced they would allow current players to transfer to other schools without penalty and any incoming freshmen who are good enough to get a scholarship from Penn state are good enough to get a scholarship from several comparable other schools as well. They will just commit to a different one and be just fine.

  20. test2402 says: Jul 22, 2012 6:19 PM

    Anybody defending PSU or any of their employees should be ass raped themselves. Then you can speak your opinion.

  21. wingsdings says: Jul 22, 2012 6:20 PM

    5-year bowl ban, 3-year TV ban, and 60 scholarship deduction

  22. frug says: Jul 22, 2012 6:35 PM

    CBS News reported in addition to scholorship losses and a postseason ban, PSU will also be fined and placed on probation.

    @wingsdings

    TV bans are a defunct punishment. The networks convinced the NCAA to eliminate the rule.

  23. raysfan1 says: Jul 22, 2012 6:37 PM

    I took a lot of thumbs down earlier, and I am not sure if it’s those who think me too soft or too harsh, but I’m going to repeat my earlier suggestion: loss of all of last year’s football revenue and loss of all scholarships for the next four years. Full release to any athlete that wants to transfer. No need for a bowl ban; a team full of non-scholarship players won’t make it to a bowl anyway.

  24. uraxcrunner says: Jul 22, 2012 6:41 PM

    If you just started working for a company that was responsible for illegal activity of some type should they not shut them down? Of course not same example everyone has to pay current or old timer. All would lose their jobs because of it no different here due justice being served and unfortunately all suffer. Whatever happens is justifiable.

  25. wingsdings says: Jul 22, 2012 6:44 PM

    I also heard that PSU will forfeit all wins since 98. I would of took the death penalty.

  26. kupski says: Jul 22, 2012 6:44 PM

    If they DON’T get the death penalty it will be a damn shame.

    Your telling me that S.M.U. and U.S.C. and Ohio State giving money to or allowing an athlete was more of an offense than multiple children being sodomized by an Administration that covered it up and apparently allowed it ?

    5 years no scholarships, no T.V. including the Big Ten Channel, No Big Ten Championships, No Bowl Games.

    PERIOD !

  27. behaviorquest says: Jul 22, 2012 6:52 PM

    I just hope this puts the fear into other college teams that have grown too big to feel they need any oversight. It’s about time that college’s got back into the business of education and not sports.

  28. ebb5000 says: Jul 22, 2012 7:04 PM

    one of the main things that has been mentioned many times in this case is athletics being to important and have to much power. by the ncaa doing what they are doing it is giving athletics more power. baylor bball got a slap on the wrist when a player murdered another player and the coach told the team to lie to the cops. ncaa didn’t want to get to involved because they felt the law would punish them appropriately. same with florda during the urban myer yrs. they had 35 arrests over a 2 yr period but ncaa didn’t feel they should get involved. doesn’t syracuse deserve something too? the law wasn’t able to investigate because of statue of limitations so its’ no big deal?

  29. dannythebisforbeast says: Jul 22, 2012 7:04 PM

    @test i qualify I was a victim of a pedophile. I also believe Paterno is taking waaaayy to much of the blame. I also read the freeh report and was not convinced of paternos active involvement in covering for Sandusky. I am also surprised that the NCAA is basing its action on that report. It obviously had an agenda and specific targets to incriminate.

    As a victim of a very cunning pedophile I can definitely see how he could have gotten over on people for years about the depths of his sickness even AFTER the shower incident especially since the eyewitness downplayed what actually happened.

  30. omniusprime says: Jul 22, 2012 7:07 PM

    John Taylor – you better check your facts about USC’s punishment. USC lost 45-50 scholarships over a 5 year period, with USC fulfilling it’s two year bowl ban it still has three more years of scholarship losses after suffering two years of scholarship losses already.

    Giving Penn State a slap on the wrist punishment barely worse than what USC suffered would prove that the NCAA has the same pedophile pervert coverup mentality that got Penn State in trouble in the first place. What Reggie Bush and Pete Carroll did pales in comparison to what Sandusky did and JoePa didn’t. USC is still paying the price but the NCAA had to send a message, a shame that Reggie and Pete couldn’t have suffered some serious consequences.

    Anything less than a multi-year death penalty will be unacceptable. For those deadbeats who defend Penn State by trying to say it didn’t involve football get a grip on reality pervert huggers. Sandusky was highly paid by the football program and Joe Paterno was his immediate supervisor as head coach. Sandusky did the dirty deed and Joe Pa enabled him by looking the other way or outright covering it up for decades. Same with the PSU administration.

    NCAA Give Penn State the Death Penalty!

  31. cbass59 says: Jul 22, 2012 7:12 PM

    Please stop the “don’t punish the innocent” people argument. Did all OSU players get free tattoos? Did USC and SMU pay all their players? Every sanction punishes some innocent people.

    The Fact is University officials lost control of their football program by giving too much power to their head coach. So now the university deserves to be punished.

  32. steeler1nation says: Jul 22, 2012 7:14 PM

    as far as the bowl bans go, PSU as it stands now is a mediocre-at-best team, add in the transfers & (assumed impending) heavy scholly reductions…who is to say they will even make a bowl the next 3-5 years, so this becomes a moot point. A real tangible penalty that makes more sense is to shut this program down, it sends the clear message that it is not “business as usual”.

    Additionally, there will be more to come out about this scandal/cover-up. It will get a lot worse before it gets better, which is another reason Emmert should rule on the side of shutting the program down. He may regret not doing this once he hears more PSU bombshells.

  33. clicktheads says: Jul 22, 2012 7:16 PM

    there was a comment above about not having tv bans anymore. if that’s true, that’s a damn shame.

    if it’s just scholarships and a bowl ban, i think that’s lame. if the ncaa wants to give them something worse than the death penalty, here’s what i’m hoping for:

    1. 65 scholarships for 3 years (loss of 20/year)
    2. No bowls for 8 years (two full classes)
    3. No home games for 2 years
    4. No televised games for 2 years

    All current players can transfer without penalty

    who cares about fines and probation. that has no teeth.

  34. papabush88 says: Jul 22, 2012 7:20 PM

    I’m sure the same people that talked smack on USC (when it was really Reggie Bush acting alone) are now saying how ridiculous the PSU sanctions are and how harsh they are. I remember a few Penn State fans saying “shame on you, USC” when the NCAA gave USC egregious penalties. But maybe that was because those PSU fans were pissed they got whooped in Rose Bowl. My stance has always been that the NCAA is ridiculous with their sanctions. USC didn’t know what Reggie was doing and got in trouble for not knowing. Ohio State was involved with similar things, knew it, and tried to cover it up and they get a slap on the wrist. With that said, I’ve always liked the Penn St program. Classic colors an cool traditions. But things change and it’s very unfortunate for the fans and alum…but way more unfortunate for the victims of the Sandusky/cover-up team.

  35. rickrock6661982 says: Jul 22, 2012 7:24 PM

    I’m amused at all the whining by Penn State fans, students and alumni.

    To say you’re getting off EASY would be an understatement..

  36. gopokes0714 says: Jul 22, 2012 7:34 PM

    It is unfortunate for the current players but you have to bring severe punishment to the program. Assistant coaches, the head coach, the athletic director covered up major crimes against children for more than a decade.

    Joe Pa & Penn St helped many student athletes through out the years. But think about this, those student athletes attend a premier University and would most likely already do well in life.

    But the children in Second Mile that got the shaft in life, that desperately needed help…. how did Joe Pa & Penn St feel about those kids? Joe Pa & Penn S’st silence forever effected those children.

    The athletic department at Penn St irreparably harmed the lives of several children.

    At the end of the day, despite everyone’s passion, football is just a game. It’s entertainment at best, and should never come before the lives of children. Why not disband the football program? Give current student athletes the ability to transfer. Those that might not be picked up by other programs would most likely not have a career in football, and would need to rely on their degree, which they would still be able to do.

    As a fan I would be devastated, as a human being I don’t understand why it’s even a discussion.

    Shutdown the football program for 5 years
    Forfeit all football scholarships for 10 years
    Permanent ban for any staff involved

  37. caribbeancruzn says: Jul 22, 2012 7:39 PM

    It may not be fair to students or coaches that were not involved, but this university lived & died by the almighty power of one man & the dollars his fame & legendary status brought in. They bet the university’s life on one man – that should never happen. In fact the entire community lived & breathed from the almighty Paterno – so maybe, just maybe the sanctions the NCAA levies will show this university community and others, that it cannot be about the power. College sports is about the student-athletes and just maybe the NCAA can remind people of that.

  38. sja1centralpa says: Jul 22, 2012 7:45 PM

    I live in the PSU community of central PA. We, as a community, all feel like victims of this scandal. Most of us, however, refer to it as the Sandusky scandal as he is the one true evil monster in this whole mess. Yes, there are others who need to share the blame. HOWEVER, those of you who think that Penn State should be given a major death penalty are forgetting just will be punished. It will be the student body who will miss out on funding that the football program brings to the university…monies that are uses and needed by many other programs who could not exist without those revenues. It will hurt the current football players & coaches that had nothing to do with this mess (although I see some of you have no sympathy for this group.) It would majorly hurt our community….think of all of the hotels, restaurants, retailers, employees, etc. that would be majorly hurt, if not put out of business, if you “kill” the football program. Lets add all of these people to the list of victims if the death penalty is handed down. OR, we could shift our attention to the real victims to help them heal and not get on “our” high horses to bring down the “almighty” Penn State program. I can just see some of you licking your lips & salivating at the though of bringing down Penn State…not to help heal the victims but to make yourselves feel “better”. You, Penn State haters, are not the victims. You, Penn State haters, are not making any suggestions to help with true healing. You, Penn State haters, are on a fast track to bring down a beloved university comprised of many, many more people than Sandusky and a wonderful community who depends on that university. Hate, hate, hate…..that is all I’m hearing. Be smug and proud of yourselves for spewing your hate. I live here….I’m living this mess….I feel like my “family” is under attack.

  39. All-USA-Teacher says: Jul 22, 2012 7:50 PM

    Open letter to Mrs. Sandusky….

    I support every possible penalty.

    The idea that YOU had NO IDEA what was going on in your very own house – right under your very own nose – in your very own basement – OR what your very own husband was really doing to those boys – is 100% unbelievable.

    YOU should be the next adult charged with abuse – because no one really believes you did not know.

  40. caribbeancruzn says: Jul 22, 2012 7:54 PM

    I don’t hate Penn State, I have no feeling one way or the other about Penn State. If you really want to help the victims heal, then why doesn’t your comment mention taking funds the program could generate & put some of it towards rebuilding a different program in place of 2nd Mile? A lot of big time universities have to learn to live with the ups and downs of it’s sports programs. Figure out another way to support your beloved university in another way besides football for awhile.

  41. papichulo55 says: Jul 22, 2012 7:56 PM

    Too bad we cant get Sandusky to Panama, whère they could waterboard his sick a$$. Then we could find the
    true scope of this. I have no doubt Sandusky had friends that shared his perversions, using one of our great universities as a prop. Outrageous!

    It makes me sick to think that Penn State got hijacked! And now we must punish both the perpretators and the facilitators. If you idolized people and football, you have directly contributed to problem. So stop with the empty protests of innocence. Take your punishment in a manner that is consistent with your ‘stand up’ image. And start working to become a different, and better university.

  42. vincentbojackson says: Jul 22, 2012 7:57 PM

    A lot of people taking joy in seeing players punished for something they had no involvement in.

    Kinda like kicking the cat because the dog crapped on the carpet.

  43. mhalt99 says: Jul 22, 2012 7:59 PM

    sja1centralpa says :I live in the PSU community of central PA. We, as a community, all feel like victims of this scandal. Most of us, however, refer to it as the Sandusky scandal as he is the one true evil monster in this whole mess

    Yes, you ALL feel like victims and that is precisely the problem. The damage to Penn State’s reputation wasn’t done by Sandusky anymore than Colorado’s reputation will be affected by that horrible murdering monster. It wasn’t even that harmed by the scum Paterno…..he and his crew were bad greedy people.

    The world understands monsters, it understands greed, what the world doesn’t understand, what it Can’t understand is the “Hitler youth” Penn State that keep claiming to be the victims of this whole mess. Frankly it has been extremely unnerving. I believe that many people from PSU are fine outstanding individuals, however, any of you PSU’ers that think you are a victim…..please stay in central pa.

  44. 10of14 says: Jul 22, 2012 8:03 PM

    …and please tell me again; how did the so-called MAJOR sanctions put on USC hurt them? Good Lord; they were better than 2/3 of the teams in the NCAA then and could win the National Championship this year.

  45. kokuanani says: Jul 22, 2012 8:06 PM

    While the various forms of the “death penalty” will hurt Penn State, I’d like to see any sanctions include something that will hurt Joe Paterno. He’s gone now, so the only way to “hurt” him is to take away wins and his “record.” After all, wins that occurred during this past season boosted Paterno’s record over that of Eddie Robinson of Grambling. Those wins occurred as JoePa was battling mightily to keep the Sandusky situation under wraps, since he could anticipate what would happen once it came out — he’d have to resign and wouldn’t be able to set the “record.”

    It would be a fitting beginning to take those “wins” away from JoePa, and with them, his “record.”

    Not enough, but a start.

  46. horses721 says: Jul 22, 2012 8:08 PM

    Sadly, the members of the CULT know as Penn State football don’t get it. They continue to make excuses for Paterno and refuse to realize how awful the actions of their school and Paterno have negatively impacted the school. WAKE UP
    Your school is referred to as Pedophile State outside of the bubble world you cult members live in. Don’t you think it is time to really examine what your school and pedophile protector Paterno did that has resulted in all the negativity.
    From 2002 to 2011, Joe saw Sandusky bring numerous boys to practices and games and knew what time of person Sandusky was but decided, it wasn’t worth it to turn him in despite knowing what type of scum Sanduscky was. Just let it go Joe. The live of little boys aren’t that important. Your legacy and Penn State football are more important. After all, you run the school and everybody in your cult would believe if you said the the sky was green because after all, you are Saint Joe! Rot in hell Joe.
    Can you excuse makers for Paterno explain to me how Joe could ignore what he knew after 1998 and confirmed again in 2001 how Joe could let Sandusky take children to practices and games from 2002 -2011 when he knew what type of scumbag Sandusky was? He knew the type of crimes being committed and did nothing you cult morons.
    You cult supporters of Paterno have become a national joke.
    Instead of chanting, “We are Penn State”.
    Your football cult can chant “We are Pedophile State”
    That is how people in the real word view the school and this will never go away. You will live with this coverup for the rest of your lives. Your continued support of Paterno will only fan the flames of people that UNDERSTAND how awful the cover up was. Time to take a sniff of reality and wake up to the fact that Joe Paterno was not a saint, and giving some money to build a library doesn’t make up for how he protected a pedophile that destroyed the lives of young boys for many years after he knew what type of scumbag Sanduscky was.
    I’m sure you would think differently if your child was a victim! Unfortunately, the cult members of Penn State football probably wouldn’t care if it was their child. After all, we are Penn State is all that matters to you people!

  47. turillos says: Jul 22, 2012 8:09 PM

    PSU fan here…

    I don’t care if the penalty is probation only, the process by which this is coming down is a bunch of crap. How are we leaving unprecedented sanctions and a HUGE penalty in the hands of ONE man? This needs to be agreed upon by a committee after more deliberation. Mark Emmert is loving his moment of Roger Goodell glory.

  48. gopokes0714 says: Jul 22, 2012 8:10 PM

    But when Joe Pa was the “ONE” man, you had no problem huh?

  49. turillos says: Jul 22, 2012 8:13 PM

    horses,

    joe’s statue should’ve been torn down and he certainly could’ve done more. but have you read the freeh report??? look at pages 48-49. if this was brought to trial a jury would laugh at the evidence against paterno. to say that there’s reasonable doubt is an understatement. i’m not saying he’s clean at all but the reason some PSU people still defend him is because of all the good he did and the lack of irrefutable evidence against him.

  50. allmyexsliveintexas says: Jul 22, 2012 8:13 PM

    I’m sure the PSU kool-aid drinkers were weeping for OSU “innocents” when Tressel got nailed.

    This bunch of PSU drones fail to realize that, just as JoePa enabled Sandusky, they enabled Paterno. The PSU community and their constant adoration and hero-worship of Paterno over all these decades made him the man he was. You drones put football above all else that matters and allowed the culture (root word: cult) to breed the Paternos and Spaniers. I thought Penn State was an academic institution, but your comments about how football supports everything convinces me you believe football is greater than the other good parts of Penn State because it pays for everything.

    And as far as the business community, they profited for many years while the scandal was hidden. They could’ve had their rough patches earlier. That’s how business works. Sometimes business booms, and sometimes someone puts a highway next to your store and you lose out.

  51. istateyourname says: Jul 22, 2012 8:13 PM

    The public won’t understand or accept anything less than a multiyear death penalty. They better rethink what they are doing. Penn State needs to go away.

  52. jritson says: Jul 22, 2012 8:14 PM

    The players and coaching staff who had nothing to do with this will suffer, yes. But the fact that some of you can’t place the blame where it belongs – Sandusky, Paterno and others at PSU – is further proof that PSU remains a diseased organization. It needs to be cleansed before it can be allowed to return to normal.

    Maybe the players and staff – and some commenting on this board – should show the same stoicism and bravery that Sandusky’s victims have shown through the years.

    If the sexual abuse of children and the covering up of same is not enough to get you out of your childish hero worship then you need help.

  53. horses721 says: Jul 22, 2012 8:16 PM

    sja1centralpa, I support all sanctions against Penn State because you and so many others JUST DON’T GET IT! You still defend Paterno and use the excuse he did so many things for the school. Lives of young boys were destroyed because Paterno knew what was going on and did nothing yet you cult members still protect him. How many students didn’t was Paterno’s statue to come down? I’m, sure many wanted it to stay up. You and your fellow Paterno supporters don’t get it so I hope you and others will finally wake up and get it. Outside of your bubble world of Penn State football, we get it and can’t understand why you value football over the lives of children that had their lives destroyed because Paterno was a football coach and nothing else.

  54. walkersays says: Jul 22, 2012 8:21 PM

    “Crippling,” “death blow,” “staggering,” “death penalty”: Give me a break! It’s a football program.
    It’s offensive how PSU fans can only think of football.
    Think of the rape victims; think of shooting victims; think of hunger victims! Think! Feel!

  55. turillos says: Jul 22, 2012 8:25 PM

    forget my previous post…i meant that the evidence about joe knowing about the 98 incident is not that strong and thus a perjury case against him would be hard to prove. obviously he still knew in 02 about the mcqueary shower incident and allowed sandusky to hang around. inexcusable and indefensible. the statue needed to come down and the “paterno did what he had to do” talk among my fellow penn staters needs to end.

  56. jritson says: Jul 22, 2012 8:25 PM

    “I feel like my “family” is under attack”…sja1centralpa.

    If you consider PSU a family, then yes your family is under attack. Why? Because one member of your “family” anally and orally abused, manipulated, tortured and destroyed young boys. Many other “family” members knew about it and did nothing, to stop it or aid the victims in any way.

    Many, many people have paid the price for your “family’s” hero worship and many more will pay in the years to come.

  57. gopokes0714 says: Jul 22, 2012 8:30 PM

    No one owes anything to the Penn St fans. You choose to be fans for better or worse. If you want to be angry, be angry at the administrative staff that put you in this position.

    The Penn St fans should be ashamed for their program and should want to self impose punishment to show support for those children who had their lives forever marred.

    It is disgusting for the fans to point the finger the other way, to cry foul, to beg for leniency. Did these little boys get the help they needed when the staff at penn st heard their cries?

    Imagine the painful, the vile, the dark things these kids went through. To see the whites of their terrified eyes, to hear the tears and blood drip as they scream in pain. The quiver in their lips begging for mercy. To have Penn St turn their back on these kids, to throw away their lives for the sake of the program….. And all you can think about is your football experience? These fans are disgusting, and mimic the culture at Penn St.

  58. frug says: Jul 22, 2012 8:31 PM

    Ok. So I do a little more digging on TV bans and it looks like my previous post on the subject was not completely correct.

    The TV ban does technically remain on the books, but in the mid-90’s the COI was essentially ordered to stop applying it.

    In 2010 a panel commissioned by the NCAA recommended (amongst other things) that the TV ban be brought back into use for repeat violators, but the provision (as best I can tell) was never adopted.

    However, since the NCAA chose to bypass the COI in this case and let the President sanction the school directly, it is possible (at least theoretically) the school could given a TV ban.

  59. ryanw822 says: Jul 22, 2012 8:40 PM

    Wow, sources are telling hackjob Charles Robinson that!! I guess those same sources are telling every other media person the same info since people have been saying that since news came out of tomorrow’s presser.

  60. Michael Steinberger says: Jul 22, 2012 8:41 PM

    Closing the barn door after the horse is gone.

    No penalty is too severe for the legacy of JoePa, the gutless athletic administration, or the fat cats disguised as the school’s Board of Trustees. It’s just far too many years too late…

  61. drarb says: Jul 22, 2012 8:57 PM

    I have the Freeh Report and it is less then compelling about the guilt of Paterno – lets see the Grand Jury didn’t find guilty of anything, they indicted Curley and Schultz for perjury, not abetting child abuse, Spainer was not indicted for anything. The 1998 case was not prosecuted and the 2001/2 incident Sandusky was found not guilty of. Damn – lots of evidence that PSU screwed up.
    Looking at Freeh – he of Ruby Ridge fame, not informing anyone of Chinese attempts to influence the US Presidential election, guilty of insubordination to AJ, ethics advisor and counsel for MNBA. Great resume.
    It is not that PSU is not guilty, unfortunately the Freeh report is long on assumptions and conclusions without proof. He didn’t interview Curley or Schult; didn’t speak to Second Mile folks, ignored the length of time it took PA to complete the investigation, ignored or failed to mention that Sandusky was able to have foster children during that time. I am not sure that his report is worth the paper it is written on as it wan not at all comprehensive and in-depth.
    What I am saying is that there are plenty of screwups in this case – more than just PSU. It is easy to attack the University because the perpetrator worked there. It is easy for the NCAA to look tough and give in to public demands for lynching. It takes no balls to look and sound tough like many in these com boxes.
    It takes adults to wait and see what all the facts indeed are. If the facts are that PSU was out of control then the death penalty is great. However, if the facts show that PSU was not out of control and the NCAA has crippled the program then the lawsuits that will flow are monumental.
    Before I read “get your ass raped” I was a victim of sex abuse so shove it.

  62. turillos says: Jul 22, 2012 9:13 PM

    drarb,

    nobody on here cares that you were a victim of sexual abuse, just like no one here actually cares about the victims in this case. it’s hilarious how people keep mocking psu supporters and saying all we care about is football, yet they are the ones who keep talking about football and how football needs to be destroyed and football this, joe paterno that, precious football team this, psu supporters make me sick that. it’s amazing how these people on here can’t see they hypocrisy on their own statements and how they’ve made this all about football.

    God bless you drarb, stay strong and I pray your scars will heal and that you will find strength in spite of the awful things you’ve had to endure.

  63. engnenk says: Jul 22, 2012 9:17 PM

    Seriously. All of the infractions at SMU, Miami, etc. have been about money. At PSU we are talking about the lives of young boys. Is anyone really saying that the penalties for allowing the rape of ten boys should carry a penalty that is even close to that of recruiting violations and paying student athletes?

  64. janihammer says: Jul 22, 2012 9:26 PM

    There has to be a way to punish the school and not the students and players. Maybe they should be allowed to play, but ALL revenue goes to the victims.

  65. namriverrat69 says: Jul 22, 2012 9:33 PM

    If it is anything less than the Death Penalty then perhaps Freeh should investigate the NCAA. They become a bigger joke than they already are.

  66. orangechipper says: Jul 22, 2012 9:35 PM

    PSU should get AT LEAST 2-3 years of no football… or of Football so crippled that it would resemble no football.

    AND… all those that say USC was just about one person OBVIOUSLY didn’t read the USC version of the freeh report.

    It was because an assistant coach (I believe the RB coach) KNEW about the illegal benefits from the agent because the agent called the RB coach and told him AND RECORDED the conversations. The RB coach did the right thing in not being shaken down by the agent… but the coach never reported anything to the NCAA> So THAT is why USC got hurt.

    Not only did Bush take a home and thousands of other dollars… But his coach knew about it and said nothing for years. EVEN WHEN asked about it by the NCAA.

  67. igwaybwekay says: Jul 22, 2012 9:58 PM

    Chain the doors. Board up the windows. CLOSE THE SCHOOL.

    Nobody in college athletics will forget that lesson.

  68. frank booth says: Jul 22, 2012 10:02 PM

    sja1centralpa says:
    Jul 22, 2012 7:45 PM
    I live in the PSU community of central PA. We, as a community, all feel like victims of this scandal. Most of us, however, refer to it as the Sandusky scandal as he is the one true evil monster in this whole mess. Yes, there are others who need to share the blame. HOWEVER, those of you who think that Penn State should be given a major death penalty are forgetting just will be punished. It will be the student body who will miss out on funding that the football program brings to the university…monies that are uses and needed by many other programs who could not exist without those revenues. It will hurt the current football players & coaches that had nothing to do with this mess (although I see some of you have no sympathy for this group.) It would majorly hurt our community….think of all of the hotels, restaurants, retailers, employees, etc. that would be majorly hurt, if not put out of business, if you “kill” the football program. Lets add all of these people to the list of victims if the death penalty is handed down. OR, we could shift our attention to the real victims to help them heal and not get on “our” high horses to bring down the “almighty” Penn State program. I can just see some of you licking your lips & salivating at the though of bringing down Penn State…not to help heal the victims but to make yourselves feel “better”. You, Penn State haters, are not the victims. You, Penn State haters, are not making any suggestions to help with true healing. You, Penn State haters, are on a fast track to bring down a beloved university comprised of many, many more people than Sandusky and a wonderful community who depends on that university. Hate, hate, hate…..that is all I’m hearing. Be smug and proud of yourselves for spewing your hate. I live here….I’m living this mess….I feel like my “family” is under attack.

    ================================================
    Right- by guarding statues, focusing on the continuance of the football program, and protecting a coach’s legacy, you and your ilk have shown such great concern for the abuse victims. Lemmings such as yourself that follow blindly and support a pervasive “football first” culture, where coaches are given Demi-god status, enable this kind of behavior. Don’t try and blame others for the very problems you’ve brought about on yourself.

    If the PSU community had originally shown concern and remorse for the victims rather than jumping to the defense of the individuals that committed and facilitated the activities, you wouldn’t be in the position that you are now. Too bad.

  69. sja1centralpa says: Jul 22, 2012 10:09 PM

    mhalt99 & horses721 You missed my point entirely. I never once mentioned Joe Paterno, but that is all you can talk about. Our community (which is my family) didn’t drink “the kool-aid” or join any “cult”. I really want you to understand that our community is hurting at this point. In all reality, the victims are members of our community…..the 2nd Mile children were placed from our community, from our local schools & from our families….I’m sure you didn’t think of where the victims came from. Did you know that the PSU is the largest employer in our area…again, I’m sure you didn’t. I’m sure there are many things that you don’t know about Penn State or our area. My point is that this isn’t a Penn State scandal….we are feeling it much, much deeper here than you can imagine. But yet, you want to punch us in the gut when we are down. Yes, the fact is that the football program funds many other programs within the university. Sorry, its a fact. That doesn’t mean we place football above everything. It means that football has enabled the university and the community to do many great & wonderful things. Without that funding means many, many of the university students will be hurt if the program is shut down. But I’m assuming that you could care less about our community and the university students? Furthermore, we care very deeply for the true victims of this tragedy. To have your body & trust violated by an adult (or anyone) is unthinkable and I’m sure has left deep hurt & scars on those young men…..many of whom I’m sure have not even come forward to date. What I would like to see happen is for the university, our community, and others to come together to find a way to help those victims. I’m tired of the hate speech. I and many, many, many others had nothing to do with this horrible crime, but as soon as we voice our thoughts & feelings the hate starts pouring out from many who have nothing but a small peep-hole into our world. I have used the term “victim” a little loosely when referring to how many shutting down the football program would affect….I apologize. However, punish those who need punished, but don’t make blanket statements about how the whole community deserves punishment. I just don’t understand why you would say that Sandusky was “one of my family”….that is crazy. Yes, I love Penn State…all of Penn State including the students, the academics, the staff and much more….which football is just a part of…..I just can’t believe the crazy statements! What a joke…”Sandusky was one you your family”…crazy! Statements like that are what is upsetting me. To be truthful, I think Sandusky is an evil, evil man and should rot in hell for what he did. Like I said, punish those who need to be punished and let’s help as many of the true victims that we can…..stop with the crazy talk.

  70. ravenseattheirownpoop says: Jul 22, 2012 10:12 PM

    Reap the whirlwind sheriff Brady, reap it!!!

  71. 49erminer4life says: Jul 22, 2012 10:16 PM

    I grow up loving and wanting to attend psu. But I thank the whole program should be shutdown.

  72. sometimedodgerfan says: Jul 22, 2012 10:38 PM

    Get Serious! A bowl ban and loss of scholarships are hardly staggering. Those are sanctions for programs that violate the rules on recruting or compensating players in small fashion. They are not sanctions for a program that stood mute while young boys were raped for years and years. I’m a PSU alum and I think a five year cessation of the program might be a good start.

  73. bobhamiltonchicago says: Jul 22, 2012 10:38 PM

    Anything less than 5 years zero football (ZERO) is a slap on the wrist. That includes girls tossing a Nerf football on campus on the weekends. All current players under scholarship must be allowed to attend 4 years under the same terms as before. No new scholarships or scouting or football revenue of any kind will be received by Penn state.

  74. kupski says: Jul 22, 2012 10:42 PM

    Tune in tomorrow folks to either E.S.P.N. or The Big Ten Network to see what the N.C.A.A. does

    should be very interesting

  75. ksctychiefs says: Jul 22, 2012 11:02 PM

    smu got the death penalty and psu doesn’t?….unbelieveable!!!

  76. 1sportschica says: Jul 22, 2012 11:17 PM

    2 words: no football.

  77. zing43 says: Jul 22, 2012 11:18 PM

    So, if Penn State gets sanctions, should Syracuse get them too right away.

  78. amazedattheignorance says: Jul 22, 2012 11:52 PM

    So what do all of these sanctions do? Will they prevent the next bastard from looking the other way? Nope, these sanctions are not punishing any of the people responsible. They are punishing all the other athletes whose sports are supported by PSU football, they are punishing all of the academic programs that benefit from donations of alums that want to be part of a winning program. These sanctions are punishing, the janitors, concession workers, people who rent their lawns for parking on game day and every other person that benefits from this program. But not one of the people responsible will feel any of these sanctions. Do the people that were responsible need to be punished, quite frankly there isn’t enough punishment that we could hand down. But wake up people, those of you that support this are doing this because it makes you feel good, not because it will actually do any good. If anything it will just continue to dish out harm.

  79. timh1955 says: Jul 23, 2012 12:06 AM

    I would be embarrassed if I had a diploma from Penn State. Maybe they can cover up the Penn State name on the diploma?

  80. goblue61 says: Jul 23, 2012 12:22 AM

    How can anyone say its not football related? What do you think pedojerry used to seduce those children with? Certainly wasn’t his looks! One of the disgusting things about the situation is that I have seen pedojerrys book “touched” being sold for as high as $855.00 on amazon. Before he was found guilty…it was approx. $20.00. Where is that money going; anyone? Also to the Wisconsin fans…you forgot about the university of Michigan and as much as I hate to say it…Michigan. state.

  81. handsofsweed says: Jul 23, 2012 12:34 AM

    Dang. I had the first comment and I can’t figure out why all the thumbs down. I’m NOT a PSU fan (Kent St. and Ohio St. instead) and wasn’t making any judgement call on PSU.

    All I was saying is that this literally hands Wisconsin a division title. Didn’t say it was right or wrong or make ANY commentary on the current situation, so you thumbs-downers can take me off the list, d-bags.

  82. goblue61 says: Jul 23, 2012 12:47 AM

    If you cant handle the big dogs then roll off the porch weed.

  83. behaviorquest says: Jul 23, 2012 1:26 AM

    Who cares about football or what this may do to different teams as has been mentioned. This is about a program sitting idly by why little boys were raped by a football coach. As far as I’m concerned they should be banned from all NCAA sports for at least 5 years.

  84. savethisname says: Jul 23, 2012 1:36 AM

    I have to agree with the people speaking out from the Penn State community. Many years ago I was a student there and I understand how inter-related PSU and the many surrounding communities are. I have read nothing but hate from those seeking to end the football program with nothing mentioned about the victims. I didn’t even attend football games (news flash: not every Penn State student is a football fanatic). I did however work in several local restaurants to help pay for college and I know how damaging these program sanctions will be to the whole community. A more sensible approach would impose some sanctions but allow the football program to continue; to support the community and academic programs, with a substantial portion of the proceeds going into a fund to help not only the victims of this tragedy but more importantly to help educate people as to how to recognize possible juvenile sex crime victims and to improve efforts to get law enforcement immediately involved.

  85. randomguy9999 says: Jul 23, 2012 1:55 AM

    PSU fans:

    Sandusky perpetrated a series of heinous crimes

    Paterno ran the program and after getting an eye witness report, he turned his head for over a decade and allowed it to continue on his watch.

    PSUs governing bodies were complicit in that coverup.

    If Paterno had simply done the sane thing that anyone would do, call the police, PSU wouldn’t be in this spot.

    You know why PSU as an organization did it? For money… the football program produces cash…

    PSU as an organization kept quiet and profited off a conspiracy to allow the continued rape of children so as to not hurt the football program.

    You should be ashamed to even try to sever your responsibility as an organization from this cover up.

    In fact, every PSU alumni, student, faculty member, and employee should be ashamed…

  86. powercorrupts2 says: Jul 23, 2012 2:12 AM

    This has all happened because no one has the cojones to go up against the power of the media, its predilection for exaggeration to gain attention and notoriety, and its preference for the “big fish” because it gets you more clicks, etc.
    The Freeh Report is a travesty: (1) An ex parte document (not an independent report) that was funded with millions of dollars by parties who have a conflict of interest in the case; (2) written in a prosecutorial fashion with no apparent concern for innocence or exculpatory evidence; (3) criticizes the actions of people using a hindsight perspective that employs information none of them knew; (4) does not contain response by the accused parties (Spanier, Curley, Schultz, Paterno, etc.); (5) is written by someone who has a checkered history and may have a biased view of the case. You need to read the actual report (not just its recommendations/conclusions) and look at the details to see if they support the opinions expressed. Pretend you don’t know that Sandusky has 10 victims accusing him and has been convicted (Paterno didn’t know this in 1998 or 2001). Then see if you can fairly come to the same conclusions as Freeh wrote in his report.
    The 1998 complaint was not for rape/molestation but for giving a bear hug to a boy in the showers. The 1998 investigation by the Police, the CCYC, the PA DPW, and the DA’s Office concluded “no sexual assault occurred”. McQueary’s testimony is not creditable because he changed it after he knew there were victims. Dr. Dranov heard the story the night of the incident in 2001 and he didn’t think it was serious enough to report to the Police. He asked McQueary 3 times if he had seen any sexual activity and he said “no”. So this is what Paterno, Schultz, Curley, Spanier, etc. knew. No sexual activity. They knew nothing about 10 victims coming forth as accusers. They were not interviewed for Mr. Freeh’s Report and given a chance to present their defense. But Mr. Freeh somehow feels they are guilty of not proclaiming Sandusky as a pedophile. He knew Paterno was terminally ill but let him die without interviewing him. He didn’t interview Dr. Dranov who contradicted McQueary’s changed 2011 story. He didn’t note McQueary’s testimony admiting he didn’t tell Paterno he saw a sexual attack in 2001.This is strange, suggests scapegoating and that someone is trying to protect themselves from the media generated hysteria and lynch mob psychology that is represented by 90% of the posts here. And now the NCAA is going to punish the football program? On the basis of what?

  87. jimbo75025 says: Jul 23, 2012 4:11 AM

    @drarb says:Jul 22, 2012 8:57 PM
    I am not sure that his report is worth the paper it is written on as it wan not at all comprehensive and in-depth.
    What I am saying is that there are plenty of screwups in this case – more than just PSU. It is easy to attack the University because the perpetrator worked there. It is easy for the NCAA to look tough and give in to public demands for lynching.
    —————————
    Exact-bloody-ly. While the events at Penn St are indeed horrible, placing all of the blame on the easiest subjects is just that, too easy. The whole mess goes much, much deeper. Governor who while AG received huge donations from Sandusky’s charity, DA who chose not to prosecute and ended up “missing” with the HD of his computer wiped and in a river, etc. The Freeh report simply indicts those who everyone wanted blamed-garbage in, garbage out. Lets see a full report by someone who is not politically connected to many of the potential investigation targets then I may give it more creedance.

  88. dkinphx says: Jul 23, 2012 5:00 AM

    The importance of sending a message cannot be overstated. So, who shall the message be directed to? Bowl sanctions and scholarship losses seem directed more towards fans, players, and the benefit of other Big Ten teams.

    My feeling is that the message should be directed at the University muckymucks. That means tens of millions in fines and maybe…. 1 yr bowl ban and 5 lost scholarships max per year for 3 or 4 years. I only suggest the ban and scholarships because the angry among us will accept nothing less…not because it’s warranted.

    Just for the record I have no horse in the Big Ten race as my teams are the CU Buffs and Wash Huskies. If anything, you’d think I’d want bigger punishment rather than smaller. I just think they should do what’s fair and not what the angry mob will accept. These players didn’t molest anybody.

  89. brianbosworthisstonecold says: Jul 23, 2012 5:12 AM

    sja1centralpa | Jul 22, 2012, 4:45 PM PDT
    I live in the PSU community of central PA. We, as a community, all feel like victims of this scandal. Most of us, however, refer to it as the Sandusky scandal as he is the one true evil monster in this whole mess. Yes, there are others who need to share the blame. HOWEVER, those of you who think that Penn State should be given a major death penalty are forgetting just will be punished. It will be the student body who will miss out on funding that the football program brings to the university…monies that are uses and needed by many other programs who could not exist without those revenues. It will hurt the current football players & coaches that had nothing to do with this mess (although I see some of you have no sympathy for this group.) It would majorly hurt our community….think of all of the hotels, restaurants, retailers, employees, etc. that would be majorly hurt, if not put out of business, if you “kill” the football program. Lets add all of these people to the list of victims if the death penalty is handed down. OR, we could shift our attention to the real victims to help them heal and not get on “our” high horses to bring down the “almighty” Penn State program. I can just see some of you licking your lips & salivating at the though of bringing down Penn State…not to help heal the victims but to make yourselves feel “better”. You, Penn State haters, are not the victims. You, Penn State haters, are not making any suggestions to help with true healing. You, Penn State haters, are on a fast track to bring down a beloved university comprised of many, many more people than Sandusky and a wonderful community who depends on that university. Hate, hate, hate…..that is all I’m hearing. Be smug and proud of yourselves for spewing your hate. I live here….I’m living this mess….I feel like my “family” is under attack.

    ————————
    This is more than Sandusky. This is unprecedented. Be glad that Jerry or the JoePa crew did not commit these heinous acts to your family and friends.

  90. akismet-7f480b8ccf6964a3aee368cd147ea89a says: Jul 23, 2012 5:31 AM

    powercorrupts2,

    You are delusional.

  91. holdthemayo123 says: Jul 23, 2012 5:52 AM

    Sadly, many of these comments indicate some in the Penn State community don’t get it, and maybe never will.
    This has EVERYTHING to do with football. But not for a desire to win some more games and preserve their football image, many in the organization, including members of the FOOTBALL community, hid crimes and enabled further crimes.
    The NCAA should do their best to ensure the guys in the current program can transfer out and continue their dreams to play football. Going forward, however, the punishments hurt exactly those that should be hurt – the institution that covered it up. I hope especially those who have a big cry are the morons who were rallying outside Paterno’s house after he was let go. Anyone with decent sense that roots for Penn State should realize how the priority of football led to needless crimes, and embrace some time off from it.

  92. matrychapcox says: Jul 23, 2012 6:26 AM

    PSU should also be sanctioned with 10 years of Pam Ward exclusively doing their TV broadcasts. ESPN, BTN, the coaches’ show, everything.

  93. norcalirish says: Jul 23, 2012 6:26 AM

    But the question remains: did anybody at usc know about and cover up OJ’s crimes? I call for an investigation!

  94. huskerzfan says: Jul 23, 2012 6:43 AM

    @
    sja1centralpa

    I live in the PSU community of central PA. We, as a community, all feel like victims of this scandal. Most of us, however, refer to it as the Sandusky scandal as he is the one true evil monster in this whole mess. Yes, there are others who need to share the blame. HOWEVER, those of you who think that Penn State should be given a major death penalty are forgetting just will be punished. It will be the student body who will miss out on funding that the football program brings to the university…monies that are uses and needed by many other programs who could not exist without those revenues. It will hurt the current football players & coaches that had nothing to do with this mess (although I see some of you have no sympathy for this group.) It would majorly hurt our community….think of all of the hotels, restaurants, retailers, employees, etc. that would be majorly hurt, if not put out of business, if you “kill” the football program. Lets add all of these people to the list of victims if the death penalty is handed down. OR, we could shift our attention to the real victims to help them heal and not get on “our” high horses to bring down the “almighty” Penn State program. I can just see some of you licking your lips & salivating at the though of bringing down Penn State…not to help heal the victims but to make yourselves feel “better”. You, Penn State haters, are not the victims. You, Penn State haters, are not making any suggestions to help with true healing. You, Penn State haters, are on a fast track to bring down a beloved university comprised of many, many more people than Sandusky and a wonderful community who depends on that university. Hate, hate, hate…..that is all I’m hearing. Be smug and proud of yourselves for spewing your hate. I live here….I’m living this mess….I feel like my “family” is under attack.

    __________________________________

    Was it fair for thousands of Enron employees that lost literally everything they had worked for? 401K retirement plans, gone. Jobs, gone. Homes and entire lifes crippled and severely hampered. Was if fair for them?

    Was it fair for millions of homeowners across the country when the housing scandal of 2008 broke? Was it fair for literally every investor across the country that the actions of a small percentage of big wigs of major banking organizations that escaped with millions and received little to no punishment. A scandal that nearly every American is still paying an extremely steep price.

    Life isn’t fair. Actions of few often times effect the lives of many. There are examples of this that happen nearly every day in this country.

    I don’t think the NCAA should hand out much punishment, if any, against Penn State, and for them to let the legal system run its course and punish the guilty. On the other hand it wouldn’t be fair for schools like USC, Ohio State, and others that received stern punishment for deeds far less egregious than what happend at Penn State.

    Either way, the masses won’t be happy with whatever punishment is handed down by the NCAA this morning. Many will say it is too light, many will say it is too harsh, and likely nobody will say the punishment is just and fair.

  95. waynefontes says: Jul 23, 2012 6:55 AM

    I do feel bad for the kids that are there now, that they had nothing to do with this. But they can always go and play somewhere else.

    It’s too bad Paterno didn’t live long enough to see his legacy destroyed. To see his statue taken down, to see his name taken off of centers and awards. To see his “halo” painted over.

    That would be a fitting punishment for an enabler of a child molestor.

  96. savethisname says: Jul 23, 2012 7:18 AM

    There is no such thing as due process or objective thinking in this country anymore. There is no chance of the appropriate punishment being handed down since the NCAA’s main objective is to quiet the cries for blood from the public without any concern whatsoever for the victims of this tragedy. The focus in this should be the criminal cases, the cases against the individual’s involved in the cover up. To say that the university and community should shoulder responsibility for this is a joke. The hate being spewed out by most of the people in these posts are a sad and scary sign of what has happened to this country. Rather than putting emphasis on the victims and what actions should be taken to change awareness and laws to prevent more crimes against children they would rather spew hatred at the entire Penn State University and community. This is cyber bullying at its best, how many of you would get up in public and spit out the angry and vicious statements you have made in your posts? If most of you would take the time to learn of how many horrible crimes are committed against children every day all over our noble country you might direct your venom elsewhere and realize that your anger and disgust could be used more effectively to help these victims by supporting organizations who’s goals are to protect the victims of these crimes and to recognize the warning signs that are usually ignored.

  97. bubba703 says: Jul 23, 2012 7:19 AM

    Without a death penalty, I don’t see PSU learning their lesson. All a fine or suspended bowl appearance will accomplish is having PSU raise ticket prices to cover their losses. With such a long waiting list for season tickets, that’s not much of a punishment. And eliminating a few athletic scholarhips instead of all means theUniversity will find of other types of scholarships to get their players aboard.

  98. waynefontes says: Jul 23, 2012 7:25 AM

    savethisname says:
    Jul 23, 2012 7:18 AM
    To say that the university and community should shoulder responsibility for this is a joke
    ————————————————–

    Are you seriously implying that Penn State University shoudln’t shoulder responsibilty for this?

    You don’t sound dumb. You do sound naive, or sound like a blind apologist.

  99. savethisname says: Jul 23, 2012 8:25 AM

    Should all members of a community shoulder responsibility for a predator that they failed to realize before he committs his crimes. Only the few corrupt in power decided to cover up these crimes not the university at large. These individuals are now gone and should be criminally prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I am not naive, I am realistic and can tell you that the ten of thousands of people who attend, work at, and whose businesses exist as part of the Penn State community, had no awareness of what was going on and should not be held accountable. In these economic times we should not be so quick to send a whole community to the chopping block. There should definitely be punitive measures but more importantly any funds collected should go to organizations who help juvenile victims. It seems like most people have forgotten what this is really all about. Of course the football program should be penalized but I still believe that the majority of people being hurt by the impending storm, brought on in large part by the blood thirsty public, are people who had absolutely no clue as to the crimes committed and lack of action taken by the INDIVIDUALS involved.

  100. huskerzfan says: Jul 23, 2012 8:47 AM

    @ savethisname:

    The NCAA isn’t going to be administering the death penalty.

    The sanctions will be severe, but games will go on and a football team will still be in place at Penn State.

    Will the program pay a dear price that will effect its Ws and Ls? Undoubtedly, however the vendors and fans will still get to attend games and support their program.

  101. waynefontes says: Jul 23, 2012 8:48 AM

    Like I said, you sound like an intelligent person (I even gave you a thumbs up for your comment).

    I feel bad for the many innocent people being tarnished for actions that they had no involvement with. Many good people at Penn State (football players and fans/alumni) are being punished for the actions for a few…

    But I do feel the school deserves punishment. The criminals involved are no longer there. But for a university to turn a blind eye to what happened.. the football program was bigger than the university.

    The individuals represnted the university. They represented them poorly (the understaement of the year). There has to be a punishment for the lack of institutional control.

    I do think that the real perps in this case (the molestor and his enablers).. they’ll eventually get what they truly deserve.

  102. savethisname says: Jul 23, 2012 8:49 AM

    Tell me something wayne, do you think that the sanctions and punitive actions doled out for Penn State will stop any future pedophiles from committing their heinous acts, I would venture to say NO. More emphasis needs to be placed on how we as bystanders can recognize the warning signs and help these innocent victims before their lives are destroyed.
    Football sanctions may prevent participants in a football program from committing crimes of greed but they are certainly not going to mean anything to a pedophile. These are sick evil individuals whose crimes will continue until we learn how to recognize them before it is too late.

  103. mungman69 says: Jul 23, 2012 8:56 AM

    After reading these comments I am quite surprised that Penn St. people don’t get it. Those young boys were RAPED under the watch of Joe Paterno. Period.

  104. 4hrchubby says: Jul 23, 2012 8:57 AM

    You think it will be bad after the NCAA rips Penn st. a new one?

    If the Dept. Of Education decides to take action…which they are considering, they will withhold Federal funding, then the University will be in BIG trouble.

  105. huskerzfan says: Jul 23, 2012 9:00 AM

    @ savethisname:

    Tell me something wayne, do you think that the sanctions and punitive actions doled out for Penn State will stop any future pedophiles from committing their heinous acts, I would venture to say NO. More emphasis needs to be placed on how we as bystanders can recognize the warning signs and help these innocent victims before their lives are destroyed.
    Football sanctions may prevent participants in a football program from committing crimes of greed but they are certainly not going to mean anything to a pedophile. These are sick evil individuals whose crimes will continue until we learn how to recognize them before it is too late.

    __________________________________

    The NCAA isn’t going to be handing down the punishment because of the crime that happened, but because of the Universities lack of proper monitoring that allowed this type of cover up to happen.

    Penn State has severely misunderstood, much less implemented, the proper measures according to the Clery Act regarding crimes/potential crimes on its campus including those sexual in nature.

    The administration failed miserably in properly reporting these events to the BOT. The administration failed miserably in not reporting events to the proper authorites including the DPW.

    While all the guilty victims will and have paid a price, the administration and model that existed around these former employees also enabled them to do what they did.

    I have little doubt that the LOIC charge that the NCAA will stand behind for these sanctions is the reason in large part of the institutions lack of proper monitoring and controls that allowed for these acts to continue for an extreme amount of time.

  106. waynefontes says: Jul 23, 2012 9:01 AM

    Of course, sanctions won’t stop pedophiles.

    But, sanctions may warn the next school that thinks about enabling a child molestor (the university president, AD and head coach) that maybe doing the right thing is more important than protecting the “Penn State Way”.

    And if you think that a school wouldn’t do that, would you have ever thought Joe Paterno and the hierachy at Penn State would?

    It’s too bad that so many bystanders at Penn State saw the warning signs and had the chance to do the right thing.. and they didn’t.

  107. dja1287 says: Jul 23, 2012 11:19 AM

    Drew Brees demands an explanation

  108. savethisname says: Jul 23, 2012 11:34 AM

    I totally disagree that many bystanders outside of the football program coaching staff or the charity run by that creepy pedophile had any knowledge of these crimes. Any of us could know someone who is a pedophile and be completely ignorant of it. It’s a sad statement but there are more pedophiles amongst us than any us would dare believe.
    I also disagree that imposing these harsh sanctions will keep this from happening at another school, especially since by the time these crimes are exposed the damage is already done. It will take more awareness on all levels, with the families of at risk children, caregivers and the general public before anything changes regardless of any sanctions and fines imposed.
    I’m also tired of people using the term “The Penn State Way” almost any university’s population is proud of their sports programs, there is nothing wrong with that. I suppose the fans should all be hung out to dry since they didn’t uncover what was going on, please get real. It is the greed and evil brought on by positions of power that broke down the system here and failed to do the right thing, not the University as a whole.

  109. powercorrupts2 says: Jul 23, 2012 3:43 PM

    To huskerzfan
    The Freeh Report stated that actions taken prior to their investigation and completed before the investigation was completed brought the University into compliance with the Clery Act. What percentage of Universities do you suppose are in full compliance with Clery? How about the U of NE? Paterno wasn”t in charge of and had no power over implementation of the Clery Act.
    From your previous comments you might be interested in the fact that Mr. Freeh’s partner, Stanley Sporkin, served as head of the Securities and Exchange Commision’s Division of Enforcement. And of course you know what that means he presided over. It wasn’t college football.

  110. 1974gator says: Jul 23, 2012 11:23 PM

    Stop the whining! Paterno covered for Sandusky to save his own butt. If the word had gotten out about Sandusky (like it did 14 years later) the alumni donations would have dried up and talented players would have gone elsewhere. He consciously chose to cover up the child molestation issues. The ONLY choice that would have allowed PSU to dodge this bullet was to have leadership (Paterno not his hand picked AD or the university President) that did the right thing from the start.

  111. powercorrupts2 says: Jul 25, 2012 12:16 AM

    @1974gator
    You need to get better informed before you make comments, In 1998 Sandusky took a shower with a boy. (This is not against the law.) The boy felt uncomfortable. (This is not unusual.) The mother of the boy reported it to the Police. A complete investigation was perform involving multiple County and State Agencies and the County DA’s Office. The conclusion of the report was “no sexual assault occurred”. This was all Paterno, et al. knew. There was nothing to conceal or cover up. You may read statements by sportswriters or hear reports that say something else but they are wrong. You can check the evidence listed in the Freeh Report. The caveat that makes the Report a ringer is that many of the Freeh Report conclusions are non sequiturs. They don’t jibe with the evidence presented. The question of why this would be is yet to be answered. But there are several suggestions. The answer may lie in the composition of the Board of Trustees(BOT – mostly CEOs, the PA Govenor’s appointees, the Govenor, etc.), the fact that the BOT scapegoated Paterno, et al. and needed a report to justify their scapegoating and which they paid millions of dollars for. There is also the issue of the current PA Govenor having been PA DA for the region during the occurrance of the incident and possible campaign contributions to him from the 2nd Mile. This whole mischief is political hemlock for whoever is touched by it, so one can understand how politicians would do anything to avoid it.

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