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Penn State gets fined, postseason ban, scholarship reduction

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Penn State received penalties from NCAA president Mark Emmert this morning.

It’s not the Death Penalty, but as previously speculated, some of the sanctions might as well be. Emmert said in a follow-up press conference that the decision was not negotiated as previously believed.

Without any further delay, here are the penalties. The Big Ten is also set to announce additional sanctions against Penn State later this morning

1) A $60 million fine, the funds of which go to external programs for child abuse. According to the NCAA, that amount “cannot come at the expense of non-revenue sports or student-athlete scholarships.”

2) A four-year postseason ban.

3) All wins from 1998-2011 will be vacated (111 wins). Joe Paterno is no longer major college football’s winningest.

4) A reduction of 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period. This will drop the limit of offered scholarships per year to 15 and cap the total number of scholarships to 65.

5) Five years probation with a monitor.

6) The NCAA can investigate the program further after criminal proceedings.

Additionally, Penn State athletes may be allowed to transfer wherever they like without penalty. NCAA is considering waiving scholarship limit for schools that accept PSU transfers as well, so the Association is really bending over backward for the athletes here.

Here’s the press release from the NCAA this morning:

By perpetuating a “football first” culture that ultimately enabled serial child sexual abuse to occur, The Pennsylvania State University leadership failed to value and uphold institutional integrity, resulting in a breach of the NCAA Constitution and rules. The NCAA Division I Board of Directors and NCAA Executive Committee directed Association president Mark Emmert to examine the circumstances and determine appropriate action in consultation with these presidential bodies.

“As we evaluated the situation, the victims affected by Jerry Sandusky and the efforts by many to conceal his crimes informed our actions,” said Emmert. “At our core, we are educators. Penn State leadership lost sight of that.”

According to the NCAA conclusions and sanctions, the Freeh Report “presents an unprecedented failure of institutional integrity leading to a culture in which a football program was held in higher esteem than the values of the institution, the values of the NCAA, the values of higher education, and most disturbingly the values of human decency.”

As a result, the NCAA imposed a $60 million sanction on the university, which is equivalent to the average gross annual revenue of the football program. These funds must be paid into an endowment for external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university.

The sanctions also include a four-year football postseason ban and a vacation of all wins from 1998 through 2011. The career record of former head football coach Joe Paterno will reflect these vacated records. Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period. In addition, the NCAA reserves the right to impose additional sanctions on involved individuals at the conclusion of any criminal proceedings.

The NCAA recognizes that student-athletes are not responsible for these events and worked to minimize the impact of its sanctions on current and incoming football student-athletes. Any entering or returning student-athlete will be allowed to immediately transfer and compete at another school. Further, any football student-athletes who remain at the university may retain their scholarships, regardless of whether they compete on the team.

To further integrate the athletics department into the university, Penn State will be required to enter into an “Athletics Integrity Agreement” with the NCAA. It also must adopt all Freeh Report recommendations and appoint an independent, NCAA-selected Athletics Integrity Monitor, who will oversee compliance with the agreement.

Effective immediately, the university faces five years of probation. Specifically, the university is subject to more severe penalties if it does not adhere to these requirements or violates NCAA rules in any sport during this time period.

“There has been much speculation on whether or not the NCAA has the authority to impose any type of penalty related to Penn State,” said Ed Ray, Executive Committee chair and Oregon State president. “This egregious behavior not only goes against our rules and Constitution, but also against our values.”

Because Penn State accepted the Freeh Report factual findings, which the university itself commissioned, the NCAA determined traditional investigative proceedings would be redundant and unnecessary.

“We cannot look to NCAA history to determine how to handle circumstances so disturbing, shocking and disappointing,” said Emmert. “As the individuals charged with governing college sports, we have a responsibility to act. These events should serve as a call to every single school and athletics department to take an honest look at its campus environment and eradicate the ‘sports are king’ mindset that can so dramatically cloud the judgment of educators.”

Penn State fully cooperated with the NCAA on this examination of the issues and took decisive action in removing individuals in leadership who were culpable.

“The actions already taken by the new Penn State Board of Trustees chair Karen Peetz and Penn State president Rodney Erickson have demonstrated a strong desire and determination to take the steps necessary for Penn State to right these severe wrongs,” said Emmert.

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  1. allmyteamsareterrible says: Jul 23, 2012 9:25 AM

    Good. Still don’t think it’s enough but it’s a start. JoePa no longer being the all time winningest coach does much for me, since it was obvious winning was all he cared about.

  2. rayburns says: Jul 23, 2012 9:25 AM

    Wow… just… wow….

  3. teflond says: Jul 23, 2012 9:25 AM

    Might want to look and #4 again

  4. myopinionisrighterthanyours says: Jul 23, 2012 9:27 AM

    Cue the JoePalogists “kick dirt on his grave, those wins still count” crowd in Three, Two, One …

  5. wethog66 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:27 AM

    PSU got of light, IMO. The people in charge of the PSU football program sat back for 10 years while a former PSU coach raped and abused innocent children.

    The program should be closed down for good, and the stadium turned into scrap.

  6. rayburns says: Jul 23, 2012 9:28 AM

    If the largest outcry from the JoePa apologists is the vacating of the wins and JoePa no longer being the winningest coach… then it just re-enforces why the NCAA came down so hard..

  7. vincentbojackson says: Jul 23, 2012 9:29 AM

    Finally! The NCAA dropped the hammer on those most responsible. The current players.

    Nice work NCAA, always looking out for the student athlete.

  8. houndofthebaskervols says: Jul 23, 2012 9:29 AM

    Ridiculous.

  9. showerswithsandusky says: Jul 23, 2012 9:30 AM

    Should have taken them off tv as well.

  10. latrobe21 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:31 AM

    That’s what happens when you have a gutless Board of Trustees.

  11. randomguy9999 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:31 AM

    PSU deserved worse…. Paterno turned his head to an eyewitness report of child rape for 14 years…. so the football team wouldn’t get damaged and the money would keep flowing…. they profited from child rape.

    Some PSU / Paterno apologists and excuse makers will come on here…. but reality is … you guys got caught outright saying money and football is more important than protecting children.

    All Joe had to do was what any sane person in the world would have done: called the police….. but instead he got together with the president to cover it up.

    So that’s Joe’s legacy… the dirtiest coach of all time.

  12. phillyphever says: Jul 23, 2012 9:32 AM

    O/U 12 PM students start rioting over this?

  13. bennywisest says: Jul 23, 2012 9:32 AM

    “6) The NCAA can investigate the program further after criminal proceedings.”

    Because why investigate before sentencing. Let’s just give into mob mentality. So much for innocent until proven guilty and double jeopardy…

  14. tlmoon2112 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:32 AM

    Its not enough, period. I understand how shutting down the football program can hurt people that had nothing to do with the case, thats not the point. There are ways to alleviate those problems. Its not enough, period.

  15. herbiecane says: Jul 23, 2012 9:33 AM

    Ouch.
    Stand by for Paterno Family Statement that will reiterate that they just don’t get it.

    Not a Penn State fan, and the Joe Apologists disgust me, too. But this is pretty brutal.

    Hey, apologists- Bobby Bowden now the winningest coach in history. How’s that taste?

  16. 35longmiles says: Jul 23, 2012 9:35 AM

    Miami won’t get anything close to this. But as repeat offenders, it will be so much fun to watch them squirm for the next year.

  17. phillyphever says: Jul 23, 2012 9:35 AM

    “So much for innocent until proven guilty and double jeopardy…”

    Yeah…how where they innocent? If my memory serves me right, they covered up for a child predator just to save the image of the football program. Guilty as charged.

  18. brewcrewfan54 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:35 AM

    Hey bojackson, in every case of the NCAA having to punish a school the current players are always the ones who suffer the most. its just the way it is.

  19. auburntigers34 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:35 AM

    this is exactly what needed to happen. major props to Emmert and the NCAA.

  20. overratedgators says: Jul 23, 2012 9:36 AM

    Hey, Paterno apologists: still wanna talk about that statue?

  21. stoutfiles says: Jul 23, 2012 9:36 AM

    This is an incredibly weak punishment.

    Fine: 60 mil is a lot to common folk, but nothing to Penn State. They make almost double that with one year of football.

    Wins: Considering Joe isn’t alive, this is hardly a punishment. Those games already happened, and Penn State already made their money off of them.

    Scholarships: Penn State will find a way around this. Don’t be surprised when a lot more football players end up with minority scholarships that should have gone to other students.

    Bowl Ban: Whoop-de-doo, they’re banned from the GoDaddy.com bowl for four years! They’ll be ready for the upcoming playoffs and that’s all that matters.

    This was the time to show that football isn’t as important as what happened, but there was just two much money involved to shut down football, even for a year. Money always wins out in the end.

  22. overratedgators says: Jul 23, 2012 9:37 AM

    “Whew.” — Al Golden

  23. wethog66 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:37 AM

    Who gives a shit about current players being affected by this? They can always transfer.

    What about the innocent children who lost their innocence at the hands of a former PSU coach while JoePa and friends sat back and watched?

  24. BrownsTown says: Jul 23, 2012 9:39 AM

    Will Lyles, Cecil Newton, Nevin Shapiro, Tom Al-Betar.

  25. sabatimus says: Jul 23, 2012 9:39 AM

    At least there’s a small boon to the athletes who get to transfer without penalty. And I’m not sure what I think about the practice of literal revisionist history in vacating the wins, but if ever there were a situation in which it made sense to do so, it’s this one.

    I can’t say I’m sorry for the rest of it at all. Penn State got crushed, and they deserved it.

  26. billobrienschindimple says: Jul 23, 2012 9:40 AM

    @ herbiecane

    Actually Eddie Robinson is now the all-time winningest CFB coach.

    Bowden holds the title for DI only.

  27. galvezben says: Jul 23, 2012 9:40 AM

    Good luck trying to schedule games outside the Big 10. Noone in the country will play PSU much less travel to Crappy Valley to play what will amount to a Div. III team.

  28. sabatimus says: Jul 23, 2012 9:40 AM

    @overrated gators:

    Oh, they’ll just issue a statement saying the NCAA is full of crap for vacating the wins and making Joe not the winningest coach.

  29. cackalackyank says: Jul 23, 2012 9:43 AM

    Sorry but should have stripped this school of ALL NCAA sports programing PERIOD. That would have sent the clear message that if you put your schools sports program ahead of a human beings well being…you will not have to worry about HAVING a sports program. The $60 million fine? LMAO. For that their alums will just start writing checks. I am willing to bet by noon today PSU will have that $60 million in hand…and to $ to spare.

  30. davebrownspiral says: Jul 23, 2012 9:45 AM

    Penn State should change their moniker from the “Nittany Lions” to the “Armadillos”

  31. barbeaux says: Jul 23, 2012 9:48 AM

    This $60 million dollar fine…is it the public’s money? Ie is the athletics department paying it or the university as a whole?

  32. brewcrewfan54 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:49 AM

    Cackalackyank, to say they should shut down every PSU team from football to womens water polo is simply ridiculous.

  33. brewcrewfan54 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:51 AM

    Brbeaux, the $60 million was said to not come at the expense of any of the non revenie generating sports or any academic programs.

  34. 2manychoices says: Jul 23, 2012 9:54 AM

    stoutfiles says:
    Jul 23, 2012 9:36 AM
    This is an incredibly weak punishment.

    Fine: 60 mil is a lot to common folk, but nothing to Penn State. They make almost double that with one year of football.

    Wins: Considering Joe isn’t alive, this is hardly a punishment. Those games already happened, and Penn State already made their money off of them.

    Scholarships: Penn State will find a way around this. Don’t be surprised when a lot more football players end up with minority scholarships that should have gone to other students.

    Bowl Ban: Whoop-de-doo, they’re banned from the GoDaddy.com bowl for four years! They’ll be ready for the upcoming playoffs and that’s all that matters.

    This was the time to show that football isn’t as important as what happened, but there was just two much money involved to shut down football, even for a year. Money always wins out in the end.

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    Fine – It says in the article that 60 mil is what Penn State football makes in the average year.

    Scholarships – In division 1 football you can’t have an academic scholarship and play football. The second you step on the football field that scholarship counts against the football team’s total scholarships.

    Wins – This is the one that the fans are the most upset about so I think it’s important. And it will definitely bother JoePa’s family, who are kinda pissing me off right now.

    Bowl Ban – Bowls are exposure. The loss of scholarships, the bowl ban, and the player transfers will weaken Penn State enough that this will take them well past 4 years to recover. In fact a two year “Death Penalty” might have been cheaper and easier to recover from overall.

    Honestly, there is no “right” punishment in this case. There’s nothing that will erase the damage done. What this punishment is about is the future. They want other schools to think about this when they are considering keeping criminal acts a secret.

  35. tipdrill84 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:55 AM

    No death penalty? Eric Dickerson’s camaro must of been fully loaded. IROC baby!

  36. rayburns says: Jul 23, 2012 9:56 AM

    “unprecedented failure of institutional integrity leading to a culture in which a football program was held in higher esteem than the values of the institution, the values of the NCAA, the values of higher education, and most disturbingly the values of human decency.”

    The most important part of the NCAA’s statement.

  37. vcupats says: Jul 23, 2012 9:56 AM

    Penn State should change their moniker from the “Nittany Lions” to the “Armadillos”

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    “Maybe this isn’t the best time to make sure everyone has played. Hey I haven’t played, I’m not out there!”

  38. kiopta1 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:56 AM

    Some the comments here sound more like the only thing that would appease them would be a mad max/escape from LA style public execution….ridiculous.

  39. iluvanejos says: Jul 23, 2012 9:56 AM

    “so the Association is really bending over backward for the athletes here.”

    Probably not appropriate given the subject matter.

  40. fightingwombat says: Jul 23, 2012 9:57 AM

    I thought that the “Death Penalty” would have been in play for PSU (1-5 years), but the NCAA took that off the table “after extensive discussion”. I wonder why they didn’t seriously consider it ($$$)?

    Scholarship losses, $60 mil fine, five years of probation and over site, setting up a compliance department, loss of bowl eligibility… all sounds good, but does it do the one important thing – get the message across to the other schools to look at their Athletic Departments and clean them up if they are violating rules, or God forbid, hiding another Sandusky?

    PSU football is crippled because of the actions of one man, and the coverup of many. It will take many, many years for them to recover, if at all, because the football program became larger than the school, and no one stood up and stopped a criminal.

  41. cackalackyank says: Jul 23, 2012 9:57 AM

    @ BrewCrew Why is it ridiculous? DO you think this can only happen in a football locker room? Of course not. It is an Instiution of higher learning that put the well being of a sports program ahead of the well being of young people. This wasn’t just an issue within the sports program. This went straight to the top of this University- a concious decision to cover up Sandusky’s disgusting behavior. Why do you kid yourself into thinking it would not have fallen out the same in another sport…it clearly absolutely could have happened in Womens Water Polo..or Badminton. Penn State chose poorly and should become an example. The student athletes can transfer to other schools.

  42. CJ says: Jul 23, 2012 9:58 AM

    The $60M is 100% of the gross income of the football program in an average season, per Emmert’s PC. Not sure where stout and other’s are getting their facts from.

  43. bbk1000 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:59 AM

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    vincentbojackson says:Jul 23, 2012 9:29 AM

    Finally! The NCAA dropped the hammer on those most responsible. The current players.

    Nice work NCAA, always looking out for the student athlete.
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    “Additionally, Penn State athletes may be allowed to transfer wherever they like without penalty. NCAA is considering waiving scholarship limit for schools that accept PSU transfers as well, so the Association is really bending over backward for the athletes here.”

    Sounds like they treated the players pretty well…

  44. bdawk20 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:00 AM

    A few things people forget:

    1) In 1998, it was a police investigation, not a Penn State investigation. The police found nothing criminal happened (as odd as that was, the university did not make that determination). Wins should have been vacated from 2001 on, when the eyewitness report happened. The amount of people who comment blindly on here without knowledge is infuriating. Get your facts right

    2) The NCAA did not come down on the student athletes, they can transfer wherever they wish without penalty.

    3) The Football program should not be “torn apart” or “blown up”. Do you know that over 99.9% of people involved in the football program over the past 14 years had nothing to do with the Sandusky case?

    The ignorance of people on this message board is staggering. People need to learn how to correctly apply blame vs. blanketing an entire community for the problems of others. What happened was disgraceful and I am fine with the NCAA’s sanctions, but man are some people ignorant.

  45. stoutfiles says: Jul 23, 2012 10:02 AM

    @billobrienschindimple

    As if anyone cares about Division 1A and lower. Bowden has the record.

  46. mgmac says: Jul 23, 2012 10:03 AM

    the NCAA gave it to psu just as sandusky gave it to the victims. psu fans, go away for a few years. jay paterno & family – hahaha. psu fans – have a great day, you got what you deserved!

  47. brewcrewfan54 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:03 AM

    Cackalack, its ridiculous because those teams have nothing to do with this mess. Sure the same thing could potentially happen in those other teams locker rooms but they didn’t. NcAA punishments always hit some innocents. To punish other teams because it “could” have happened there is dumb. May as well then start pinishing teams at complete random to prove a point.

  48. 700levelvet says: Jul 23, 2012 10:03 AM

    Rome is Burning………..

  49. lrg51 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:05 AM

    Pretty tough sanctions and deserved for failure of university leadership to do the right thing and deal with the problem from the get go.

    I am not one of those people who believe that all Penn State athletics/athletes should be punished for something in which they had no part. This is a football problem and failure of university leadership.

    Now that the punishment is doled out and Penn State knows where it stands with the NCAA, I expect the university athletic department will write the check today. I believe the university will move ahead expediciously to meet their obligations to the NCAA.

    Since this is not an athletics violations issue, it will be interesting to see the results as this matter shakes trees in athletics departments at colleges and universities across the country. Egregious behavior at Penn State. Absolutely! Could the NCAA investigate and dole out punishment for egregious behavior (not athletics violations) at your favorite university? Now that there is precedent… stay tuned.

  50. stoutfiles says: Jul 23, 2012 10:10 AM

    2manychoices says:
    Jul 23, 2012 9:54 AM

    Fine: 60 mil is a lot to common folk, but nothing to Penn State. They make almost double that with one year of football.

    Wins: Considering Joe isn’t alive, this is hardly a punishment. Those games already happened, and Penn State already made their money off of them.

    Scholarships: Penn State will find a way around this. Don’t be surprised when a lot more football players end up with minority scholarships that should have gone to other students.

    Bowl Ban: Whoop-de-doo, they’re banned from the GoDaddy.com bowl for four years! They’ll be ready for the upcoming playoffs and that’s all that matters.

    This was the time to show that football isn’t as important as what happened, but there was just two much money involved to shut down football, even for a year. Money always wins out in the end.

    ————————————————
    Fine – It says in the article that 60 mil is what Penn State football makes in the average year.

    Scholarships – In division 1 football you can’t have an academic scholarship and play football. The second you step on the football field that scholarship counts against the football team’s total scholarships.

    Wins – This is the one that the fans are the most upset about so I think it’s important. And it will definitely bother JoePa’s family, who are kinda pissing me off right now.

    Bowl Ban – Bowls are exposure. The loss of scholarships, the bowl ban, and the player transfers will weaken Penn State enough that this will take them well past 4 years to recover. In fact a two year “Death Penalty” might have been cheaper and easier to recover from overall.

    Honestly, there is no “right” punishment in this case. There’s nothing that will erase the damage done. What this punishment is about is the future. They want other schools to think about this when they are considering keeping criminal acts a secret.

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    Fine: Those are direct profits. If you count in the indirect profits, such as people going to Penn State because of the football brand and alumni donating because of the football brand, it would be much, much higher.

    Scholarships: Well, that makes me feel better. Still worry Penn State will find a way to give players free rides with loopholes though.

    Wins: Yeah i think we’re all pretty sick of Jay Paterno and Co.

    Bowl Ban: It’s only good exposure if you’re in a good bowl. It’s pretty humiliating for a proud school like PSU to be in a crap bowl, which is where they would likely be for a while.

    I really think a two year death penalty was necessary, now there will be PSU drama for the entire football season. I can already see the PSU fans fighting at the games with the opposing team when they get harassed.

  51. ashleyinnc says: Jul 23, 2012 10:11 AM

    While I still would have preferred 14 years, the same number of years they harbored a child predator, I do believe these are strong sanctions and certainly send a message that this should not be tolerated ever.
    I am glad that Paterno was stripped of his victories. Seems just and right, given that the victims of Sandusky were stripped of their childhoods.

    http://www.thedoseofreality.com/2012/07/12/silence-is-not-an-option/

  52. wethog66 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:11 AM

    @bdawk20

    For 10+ years the head football coach, athletic director and president sat back and let a former football coach rape and abuse innocent children. The reason for this? Who knows, but JoePa sure wanted that wins record. Right up until JoePa got fired he was dictating terms of his retirement all the while knowing what took place under his watch.

    This isn’t buying recuirts cars and their parents houses. This is turning a blind eye to the rape and abuse of kids inside football facilities, and using football merchandise to entice and confuse those kids. Where did Sandusky get all this football gear that he reportedly gave to his victims? Did he run to a store and buy it himself? I highly doubt it.

    Tearing down the stadium was an exaggeration on my part, but as a Father of 2 young daughters, to think the football program can continue to play on the field fater what happened to those kids blows my mind. Suspension of the program was the right thing to do, but the NCAA blew it.

  53. mancave001 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:13 AM

    tlmoon2112 says:
    Jul 23, 2012 9:32 AM
    Its not enough, period. I understand how shutting down the football program can hurt people that had nothing to do with the case, thats not the point. There are ways to alleviate those problems. Its not enough, period
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    That is absolutely stupid. It accomplishes nothing whatsoever. There are NOT ways to alleviate “those” problems. It’s a total inappropriate punishment.

    As for the NCAA, screw them. Vacating wins? Taking way scholarships? Riiiiiight.

  54. stairwayto7 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:13 AM

    Well trolls, are you happy? Funny thing is I STILL REMEMBER JOE PA WINNING 111 GAMES! PSu would not have been a top team for next 2 years anyhow, just wait until 2017.
    Funny how NCAA uses Freech report, which did nto interview all involved in this, since it cost them NOTHING. WE ARE PENN STATE!

  55. cackalackyank says: Jul 23, 2012 10:14 AM

    @ Brew Crew Apparently you are in denial. Denial that this was a decision on the part of the whole UNIVERSITY. They clearly are not capable of acting in the best interest of those that they are to serve. So they should not be trusted with ANY sports programs. If they let it happen in Football they would let it happen in ANY sport. Its like the old political saying “Its the ECONOMY stupid” except in this case “Its the UNIVERSITY stupid”.

  56. myopinionisrighterthanyours says: Jul 23, 2012 10:14 AM

    bennywisest says:
    Jul 23, 2012 9:32 AM
    “6) The NCAA can investigate the program further after criminal proceedings.”

    Because why investigate before sentencing. Let’s just give into mob mentality. So much for innocent until proven guilty and double jeopardy…

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    Until you stop to consider that Penn State was involved in their own punishment. And be careful what you wish for. Upon further review, things may get worse.

  57. 2manychoices says: Jul 23, 2012 10:16 AM

    @bdawk20

    In the Freeh report there are emails that prove that Curley, Schultz, and Paterno were aware of the police investigation in 1998. Their response was to let Sandusky retire with Emeritus status with continued access to the football facilities. Who is the uniformed one?

  58. lrg51 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:16 AM

    I thought I heard the President of the NCAA say something like… its up to people to decide about Joe Paternos victories. That is was not part of their decision.

    Did I misunderstand?

  59. myopinionisrighterthanyours says: Jul 23, 2012 10:17 AM

    stairwayto7 says:
    Jul 23, 2012 10:13 AM
    Well trolls, are you happy?

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    Funny, this is what everyone thinks of JoePalogists such as yourself. And as you can see, many people think it should have went further. Keep burying your head in the sand, though.

  60. palmbeachbuckeye says: Jul 23, 2012 10:19 AM

    Al Golden and Donna Shalala now offering to give the NCAA everything the want….. Next up, CryMiami…

  61. brewcrewfan54 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:20 AM

    Cackalack, you have no clue and you aren’t worth arguing with.

  62. 700levelvet says: Jul 23, 2012 10:21 AM

    Stairwayto7 says……
    “just wait until 2017″

    Hopefully you will have moved out of mommy’s basement by then………

  63. tandem4ever says: Jul 23, 2012 10:22 AM

    Well, after all is said and done, Penn State should not play football for 5 years in my opinion. Vacating the wins from 1998 to 2011 is almost meaningless and $60 mil is no big deal for College Football these days.

    Death penalty would have been better, plus a bigger fine. Put this college back to 1965, the year before JoePa became head coach.

  64. brewcrewfan54 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:23 AM

    Cackalack, this likely wouldn’t have happened if it was any other sports program at PSU. This coverup was based soley on a big time football program with a coach who wielded more power than probably the governor of Pennsylvania.

  65. bdawk20 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:24 AM

    @ wethog66

    The children were not raped inside the stadium. AGAIN, getting your facts wrong. It was the training facility room showers. Which, to your point, is being completely gutted and remodeled.

    I am not sympathizing here with the university for anything, they got what they deserve. However, the severity of the crimes is giving people free reign to say whatever they want about the situation without merit because the situation is “so bad”. Be accountable for what you say if you really want anyone to respect you.

  66. cjh88 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:24 AM

    What exactly did any of what Sandusky did have to do with the operation of the football program? He was a pedophile who happened to be a coach. If he was a math professor and the school covered it up would someone random organization decide to take away math funding and academic scholarships.

    The awfulness of Sandusky has nothing to do with the NCAA. If they want to punish PSU, at least base in on something, don’t just make it up as you going along. If the cover up was around Paterno hitting his wife, would this penalty happen? Of course not. But the NCAA is horrified of looking bad if they do nothing because everyone, rightfully so, hates when things happen to kids.

    This is not going to prevent other pedophiles in football programs from doing horrible things. A demented person is not going to suddenly get better because they are worried their team is going to lose scholarships

    Jerry Sandusky will rot in a jail cell the rest of his life. If anyone else at PSU commited a crime or infraction, let the appropriate organization deal with it. This is a bad precedent and yet another example of the NCAA being judge, jury and executioner.

  67. flameme says: Jul 23, 2012 10:25 AM

    Nail that institution (and anyone and everyone who had nothing to do with the problem). Wish they would have done the same for all those pedohile priests. Catholic church, you are no longer allowed to preach because your bishops allowed priests to bugger at will! The PSU football religion got nailed today! Although it’s humorous to ‘take away’ wins. “oh yea, they won, they just don’t count”. You’ll always have all the little people come out to vilify their betters (or perceived betters). Don’t expect the people who actually DID do something wrong to get more than a pat on the wrist. The university can be the fall guy.
    It’s all smoke and mirrors guys. Get as riled up as you want. It wasn’t ‘the university’ that commited these acts, and didn’t report. It was individuals, and these same individuals will get off, and PSU will pay the price. The NCAA just gave those individuals cover while placing the blame on an entity that can easily cover the penalties. While it sucks for the students and business of PSU at least someone is being punished. And that’s all that’s really important. SOMEthing MUST be DONE! (but please, nothing of any import)

  68. horses721 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:25 AM

    stairwayto7 you have it wrong.
    The chant is “WE ARE PEDOPHILE STATE”

    Now go back into you Penn State fantasy world and crawl under a rock!

  69. bdawk20 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:28 AM

    @2manychoices

    Really? The police declared it a non-issue and closed the case. As far as anyone knew at the time, it was a gross misunderstanding and invasion of personal boundaries as the university had no other evidence that Sandusky was abusing children. In hindsight, it was a bad decision. But you, unlike the university in 1998 – 2000, have hindsight to state your opinion and what should have happened.

    After 2001, all bets are off as ’98 should have raised huge red flags for that incident.

  70. wethog66 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:28 AM

    As a FB season ticket holder for Navy I hope to read a statement from Navy AD Chet Gladchuk in the near future that says the Navy FB team will not be traveling up to State College this year to play PSU.

    If the NCAA will not act with conviction, then its time for institutions that claim to stand for honor and integrity, like the United States Naval Academy, to take action.

  71. flameme says: Jul 23, 2012 10:29 AM

    lol, look at all the little people come out to throw verbal tripe

  72. drarb says: Jul 23, 2012 10:29 AM

    2manychoice
    Retiring with Emeritus status is a decision from the BoT – not Paterno, Curley or Schutlz – maybe involves the President at that time. Even if the three you mention knew about the 1998 events the DA in Centre County did not bring charges. PSU deserves something in terms of punishment, but don’t use the Freeh report as proof – the proof will come from criminal proceedings not his report. By the way the e-mails prove nothing – Freeh himself said it was the reasonable interpretation, not proof.

  73. cackalackyank says: Jul 23, 2012 10:29 AM

    @ Brew Crew neither are you. Just one final point . Those other sports…what school name appears on their uniforms? If I am a victim of that organizations reprehensible complicity with Sandusky every time I see that logo on a jersey it would make me sick. And I hope it makes most if not all of the athletes wearing them sick, too. But they are probably like you and value some school sports tradition , over the well being of our young people. I rest my case.

  74. devildogcruiser says: Jul 23, 2012 10:31 AM

    For the NCAA to do this for something that has nothing to do with athletics is outrageous. No other school has ever been fined by an athletic organization for crimes performed by a former employee. The students going to school are the ones who suffer, not the school.
    And by taking away wins so that Joe Paterno can be removed from the record books after the fact is negating the hard work hundreds of athletes did in obtaining the level of excellence that marked a lifetime achievement for them.
    Disgraceful!!! I would hope that the money would at least go to the victims of the crimes, but I know that won’t happen. To think of the amount of revenue that Joe Paterno generated for the NCAA and College football during that 13 year span…
    Penn State should demand all monies paid to the NCAA for television revenues alone should be returned to the citizens of Pennsylvania for use in scholarships instead of supporting such an organization who just one year ago was celebrating the “Greatest College Football Coach” in the history of college football. Now they [perform this act of cowardice to prevent the public outcry from spreading to their organization.
    I hope the lawyers at Penn State fight this in court. There is nothing in the rules of NCAA athletics that allows this to take place, for something that occurred outside of athletics. The players weren’t paid, boosters weren’t buying the team members gifts, students weren’t cheating on the course work (they still hold the highest GPA in college sports), no one in the coaching staff was betting on games, the players weren’t having wild parties with hookers, Parents weren’t bought homes or provided jobs…etc.
    I can no longer see myself being a fan of college sports ever again. It is supposed to be innocent, unblemished by special interests or high dollar athletes. Now the NCAA is a bunch of ‘holier than thou’ revisionists who want to rewrite history.

  75. wethog66 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:32 AM

    @cjh88

    Sandusky used his status as a former coach, merchandise/tickets, and access to FB practice to entice his victims. He also had an office right next door to JoePa and used football facilities to attack his victims. Seems clear the PSU football program played a large part in Sandusky’s evil.

  76. aminahyaquin says: Jul 23, 2012 10:37 AM

    This poll does not allow one to answer that the NCAA was right to make a penalty but that the penalty was disproprotionately extreme.

    As a whistleblower ABOUT criminal sexual acts and the harm done to women prisoners,and as the prison’s training expert in sexual abuse who was fired instead of the perps, I have a true sense of the costs for trying to protect vulnerable children or adults from predatory sex addicts and criminals.

    At the same time, ther has to be a respect for the atheletes the NCAA just punished unfairly.

    We need to STOP the pervasion of our culture’s child sexual assault epidemic. Punishing the people who created the organizational culture that perpetuated the abuse is sufficient.

    PREVENTING the culture through reporting and response is vital. This grossly disproportionate and anti-student emotionally fraught penalty increases, in my opinion, the likelihood of still more cover-ups.

    The best course of action is a fair and impartial, investigation at the time of the CSA reports, with preventive program and full acknowledgement of the problem AT THE TIME.

    Then differentiate between the sport and the violent perversion, instead of combining the two.

    The players won those games, and the man as a coach was unequalled. As a frailer human, he is already transparent.

    THE NCAA to me, just engaged in cruelty in the name of preventing it.

  77. bennywisest says: Jul 23, 2012 10:37 AM

    The NCAA makes Goodell look like a just and democratic leader.

  78. wethog66 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:38 AM

    @bdawk20

    In big time D1 Football there is more to football facilities than a stadium.

  79. jsally430 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:38 AM

    no one has ever been sanctioned by the ncaa for something outside of sports because no one had raped little boys by using his power and tickets like candy and popsicles

  80. swingondeesenuts says: Jul 23, 2012 10:40 AM

    Next step is for the Big Ten to boot PSU out of the conference for football as they are just going to drag down the overall ranking with the horrible teams they will have a result of these penalties. Let them be an independent for the next few years and maybe apply to Conference USA next decade.

  81. deepstblu says: Jul 23, 2012 10:40 AM

    And the moral of the story is…it’s the cover-up that gets you. Every time.

  82. mungman69 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:41 AM

    God, so many people don’t get it.

  83. bdawk20 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:41 AM

    @wethog66

    You are implying that either Graham Spanier, Schultz, Paterno, or Curley supplied Sandusky was merchandise to entice kids to spending time with him so he can rape them.

    Neither of those men is in charge of merchandise. Someone probably gave them to him, yes, but the person who did had no knowledge that he was molesting those children.

    The NCAA did not blow this – you want them to punish other schools for this, which they shouldn’t. You are directing blame where it does not belong. Concentrate your efforts on who is at fault here. HINT: It’s not the entire Penn State Football program.

  84. swingondeesenuts says: Jul 23, 2012 10:42 AM

    devildogcruiser the PSU child rape defender said “I can no longer see myself being a fan of college sports ever again…”

    Good riddence! NASCAR is always looking for more fans….

  85. txstatebobcats1868 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:43 AM

    tipdrill84 says:Jul 23, 2012 9:55 AM

    No death penalty? Eric Dickerson’s camaro must of been fully loaded. IROC baby!

    ———————————————————

    Exactly my thoughts. Well only kids were raped, none of the players recieved free cars..(that we know of)…

    And as for Bobby Bowden taking over most wins, I say, Phi Phi Brother Bowden!!

  86. 32maniac says: Jul 23, 2012 10:50 AM

    Not being a Penn State fan, I have to say that there are a whole bunch of Penn State alums out there and my guess is that the sellouts and games keep coming to Happy Valley. A lot of you believe this puts Penn State football into the shadows for the next five years… maybe. Will it hurt revenue… maybe. Will it destroy loyalty to Penn State… I doubt it.

    I’ve seen the fan following and the magnitude of alums out there (yes, I am an alum of one of their all time rivals and football fan).

    Very few other institutions have the fan following like Penn State. To me… this speaks volumes why the NCAA did not issue the death penalty.

  87. willhnic says: Jul 23, 2012 10:52 AM

    I know many of you will not only disagree…but may even attack me for saying this. Wow…$60,000,000 fine. I don’t think PSU should even be punished or fined. The school itself didn’t do anything. Either did the players that currently play for PSU nor the students. The fine and penalties will now hurt the overall effect that the school was to have on all those individuals at PSU. NCAA disciplinary actions should be aimed at the INDIVIDUALS that did the wrong…not the institution. If there is anything they should do with PSU, it it to oversee their management structure and make certain nothing like this can happen again. Also, provide recommendations to all Universities on best practices or new policy requirements for similar situations if they should arise. It doesn’t make sense now and never made sense previously to punish an entire University for the sins of a few. If a coach does wrong…the couch should be fired and prosecuted. If the board, president, etc. do anything wrong…then they all should be fired and replaced. And then, if able, be prosecuted or at least have civil suits filed by the University and those violated. The PSU institution can’t do anything wrong to people…people do wrong to people. This is just another example of how Americans as a whole just look at the surface of an issue and pass immediate judgement to make themselves feel better vs. really thinking and researching what the details and consequences are and how to really address the issue. Now…more innocent people will be hurt from the actions of the few (students, existing players and staff that didn’t do anything, overall college funding, etc.).

  88. 100loves says: Jul 23, 2012 10:53 AM

    WE WERE…PENN STATE!!!

  89. wethog66 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:54 AM

    @bdawk20

    Seriously? Yes I am blaming the Head Football Coach, Athletic Director, and President. Sure the person, or persons, who gave Sandusky tickets and jersey’s probably didn’t know he was using that stuff to bribe kids he raped and abused, but Sandusky should have been booted so far off campus back in 2001 at least that he wouldn’t of been in a position to get that stuff in the first place.

    And to clear up the football facility thing, those showers you mentioned are located in the Lasch FOOTBALL Building. A building with some nice practice fields right outside its doors. A PSU football facility.

    Anyway, I’ve said what I had to say in these comments. Whats done is done, and hopefully the NCAA gets an opportunity to further discipline PSU.

  90. brewcrewfan54 says: Jul 23, 2012 11:01 AM

    Cackalack, you’ve made no point. Yeah the PSU brand has taken a hit but those students who proudly wear their wrestling singlets or basketball jerseys don’t deserve punishment because of what the football program was allowing to happen. There’s innocent football players who will be collatera damage in this but other teams should be caught in the net.

  91. 32maniac says: Jul 23, 2012 11:02 AM

    Willhnic,

    As employees of the institution, the institution is also held liable for their actions. Institutional leaders were enablers, guilty of poor judgement and lying. The Board of Trustees are responsible for institutional oversight (supposedly) and the President reports tho them. Everyone with major role in the coverup has left or been fired. Only the Trustees remain (minus Steve Garban). They too should have resigned or been dismissed, every last one of them for failure of duty.

    Its that simple.

  92. brewcrewfan54 says: Jul 23, 2012 11:05 AM

    Should have said “not be caught in the net. “

  93. coachroy says: Jul 23, 2012 11:09 AM

    They got what they deserved. What Reggie Bush and family did was extremely small and benefited only their family. What Penn State did under the leadership or lack of, of Joe Paterno was simply deplorable! Joe should have retired a long time ago. A legend has fallen. We all need to think of the bigger picture in our personal, business and social lives. This is simply a case of turning a blind eye towards a horrible situation and the university and all officials related to this are going to suffer way more than the fine with loss of bowl games and scholarships. Goodbye for a long time from the polls Penn State. Winning at all costs is simply not acceptable anymore!

  94. jcarne9014 says: Jul 23, 2012 11:13 AM

    Just as an aside…I keep reading that Bobby Bowden is now the all-time winningest coach in DI history with 377 wins. Obviously, everyone is forgetting Eddie Robinson at Grambling with 408.

  95. caldreaming says: Jul 23, 2012 11:14 AM

    The penalties and sanctions are severe, and justified. Football coaches and University Administrations who put athletics above the law and basic human concerns should be held accountable. The NCAA is essentially pissing on Paterno’s grave.

  96. cattrax13 says: Jul 23, 2012 11:15 AM

    Wow, the Penn State/Paterno haters are out in force today celebrating. I don’t think the abused kids are their real focus and concern but rather the chance to tear down Paterno and Penn State. The blogger who said Penn State is a private college is dead wrong. It’s Pennsylvania STATE University because it is a public institution. The person who should have called police is the EYE WITNESS, Mike McQueary. And he should have stopped the abuse immediately. He is most guilty of all and no one is criticizing him. Paterno is dead, Spanier is fired and Curley and Schultz are going to trial. They were the only ones as far as we know that were involved in the coverup. Punishing the football team is punishing innocent kids who did nothing wrong, punishing the state of Pennsylvania which received appx. $161 million dollars into its economy from Penn State football, punishing Penn State fans and all the business people in State College, PA and surrounding areas. If you think these kids can just go out in the middle of July and find a college where they can and want to play football this season, you’re nuts. It seems to me that there is such an overpowering need by the Penn State haters to destroy the football program and the university that they can’t look at the facts surrounding the whole mess. And they certainly can’t wait for the trials in a court room with sworn testimony before judging who did or did not do what. Enjoy it while you can because when people celebrate the misfortune of others, it comes back to them eventually even worse. Best wishes to the football team and Coach O’Brien.

  97. gopokes0714 says: Jul 23, 2012 11:26 AM

    Penn St also loses their share of the Big 10 bowl revenue. Thats multi millions in addition to the $60m fine.

    The fans crying foul only reaffirm the culture at Penn St , therefore justify the punishment given out.

    You get to chose your fan allegiance, The players get to decide their futures. A choice… Its a hell of a lot more than those kids got.

  98. aminahyaquin says: Jul 23, 2012 11:29 AM

    The biggest concern that I have other than what i expressed above is that there is a belief expressed in many comments on this board that the size and success of the football program is why the abuse was not curtailed. WRONG!
    Denial and disbelief that it occurred is one main reason, and that itself is a sickness common to institutions as small as a family and as large as any corporate group.
    Fear of consequences, that is also a factor in reporting and responding to allegations of abuse and assault. This over the top, insitutionally injurious approach, is not going to do much to encourage people to come forward without fear of consequences, for it the “punishment” demonizes innocents.
    In fact , the sheer scope of punishment here may make it MORE likely cover-ups occur…and the usual instances in institutions like prisons is to minimize the problems, throw one guy to the wolves and never let the truth of how many were involved ever hit daylight. Which amy or may not have happened here, but surely happened at the prison where i whistle blew.
    People need to know that child sexual assault, especially of the lonely isolated or previously wounded kids, is an epidemic in our culture. It occurs in institutions large and small and is likely occurring in multitudes of sports programs around the country.
    What makes this case diffeent from many is that so many victims came forward and so did some staff.
    So what is needed and necessary is networks of support that make it possible for people to report and to substantiate abuse while at the same time discouraging false reports.
    This is tyhe kind of thing the NCAA could have modelled, by providing its own internal structure to field reports , or at the least, to provide training to train program trainers to deter abuse and assault.
    I think we need to be careful not to push winners into the losers column and feel we have solved a social problem that is much bigger and broader than any one program or school, or coach or pervert predator.

  99. jcarne9014 says: Jul 23, 2012 11:32 AM

    @cattrax13 – I am a graduate of Penn State…1982. No one loves the place more than I do and I will never forget the thrill I felt whenever I was lucky enough to see JoePa on campus. That said, HE was the one that could have ended this nightmare way back when with a 30 second phone call. As much as I hate to say it, taking down the statue was proper and the sanctions are probably justified.

  100. crazyfootballfun says: Jul 23, 2012 11:36 AM

    The students and athletes at Penn State are innocent and I feel badly for them. However, they have a choice and can go to another school. There are innocent people who are affected every time there is a crime. A parent who goes to jail leaves his children and spouse behind to face all kinds of problems that are not their fault. Sadly, criminals do not think about how their actions will hurt innocent victims. I applaud the NCAA’s punishment. I don’t hate Penn State but the actions of powerful people in the Penn State program caused innocent kids to suffer needlessly. They protected a pedophile for the sake of their power, their program. Additional boys were destroyed! How can anyone think Penn State should not have the hammer thrown at them. They can rebuild….can these boys rebuild their lives??

  101. av8tor130 says: Jul 23, 2012 11:37 AM

    Here is the new slogan for Penn State
    Penn State– The New Home of Jerry’s Kids!!!!!

  102. tgabbo says: Jul 23, 2012 11:37 AM

    Cattrax and brewcrew, how would you propose to set precedent and make sure others don’t do this in the future if you only penalize those responsible? You would suggest that the school gets a slap on the wrist? There will be no funds or anything left to disperse when the civil case got finished. At minimum, you have the president, coach, and AD know/cover up for 14 years. They all should have reported it ages ago. What’s worse is that they still attempted to cover it up at the initial proceedings last year, even after they were busted. Had Paterno lived, there might be perjury charges against him.

    As for the other people left at Penn State, sure they are picking up the pieces emotionally. However, all the athletes can transfer out. The good ones will always find a spot. Even if they stay, it still means they play every weekend. That has not been affected at all. And they still keep their scholarships. They are student athletes, not athlete students. They will still sell out practically every home game. The staffs and facility personnel will still get paid. That’s the whole point of the penalty.

    PS- If you can’t believe a comprehensive report from the ex-head of CIA, that might be a problem.

  103. jimmy53 says: Jul 23, 2012 11:42 AM

    It’s not about hate, it’s not about tearing down an icon, it’s about taking punitive measures in hopes that this PSU-style culture does not hide tragedies such as this at other schools. This was an institutional problem–the institution is PSU–PSU got penalized. These denial-ists (I won’t call them apologists, because most of them don’t apologize–they deny and attempt to force their delusions upon others) are a perfect example of the issues that the NCAA is trying to address.

    For those who think no rules were broken—SEE ARTCLE 2.4 AND BYLAW 10.1 OF THE NCAA CONSTITUTION.

    For those who think this will destroy the university–according to a friend in the admissions department at PSU, enrollment is at an all-time high due to in-state students rallying around their university. I truly hope this is accurate and continues. PSU has an opportunity to show the country how to build a program the right way and become a wonderful example to other programs nation wide.

  104. brutusbuckeye2011 says: Jul 23, 2012 11:45 AM

    This may be good news for Miami fans. I doubt that the NCAA will impose harsher sanctions on the U as they did to PSU.

  105. willhnic says: Jul 23, 2012 11:48 AM

    You kind of made my point 32maniac. They are to be blamed…not the entire institution. Normally, I would agree in a real company situation. However, this is a symptom of education being a for-profit institution. You will always have corruption in for-profit areas. All in all…its just a bad situation. Innocent people get hurt…from the corruption or from punishment of the corruption. In my opinion…that’s not justice…that is the blind leading the blind. No one wins here.

  106. pistolpete0903 says: Jul 23, 2012 11:51 AM

    It was a given that the penalties would be on the equivalent order of the death penalty. Everyone could see it coming.

    For all those who think that the sanctions affect the current students/athletes, it’s not like as if they are being expelled from school or so. And the point of the magnitude of sanctions is to (hopefully) act as a deterrent to other universities.

    To say that enrollment at PSU would be affected by the sanctions is downright ridiculous. I hope people see the difference between Penn State (as an academic institute) and penn State (as a football program).
    Another difference to note is between paterno as a football coach and as a person. He is arguably a good coach, can’t say the same about him as a human. A great talent doesn’t maketh a great man!!

  107. jimmy53 says: Jul 23, 2012 11:56 AM

    willhnic- I’m confused by your comment, PSU is a non-profit organization.

  108. thetooloftools says: Jul 23, 2012 12:08 PM

    NOT ENOUGH !

  109. phillyphan83 says: Jul 23, 2012 12:16 PM

    wow, so all you people saying its not enough…what is enough for you? because I’m pretty sure no matter what the punishment was, you fools would still say not enough. the only thing I had a problem with is vacating the wins. molesting boys during youth camps in the summer has absolutely nothing to do with winning on Saturdays in the fall. and please don’t try to tell me psu won because of sandusky on the sideline, that’s laughable.

  110. tgabbo says: Jul 23, 2012 12:23 PM

    Philly, I was ok with the vacating wins thing. It was the penalty for Penn St deciding that wins were more important than people. If they did come out ages ago, they would have lost recruits/money through bad publicity. Why do you think they covered it up in the first place?

  111. john6v54 says: Jul 23, 2012 12:25 PM

    Too bad the NCAA can’t take away the millions of dollars, private suite, and other perks given to the paterno family after joe negotiated his retirement package. Any money going to that family is dirty money. Disgusting.

  112. badintent says: Jul 23, 2012 12:38 PM

    The fine is chump change for the school over the long term. The fine should have been $25 million a year for 4-5 years.This way the femheads can’t scream about the massive cut backs in their women sports programs that have ALWAYS been paid for by the football $$$$. Watch for their lawsuits on top of the real victims. The NCAA should have award the fine $$ directly to the victims, not some trump up programs that have little or nothing to do with the 12 children that Jerry attacked. Typical political correctness BS from left wing academic rose glasses.

  113. phillyfrank says: Jul 23, 2012 12:40 PM

    OK, I’ll play…

    “With the amount of money Penn State football made for the NCAA, and as important as PSU was to their program, you mean to tell me that the NCAA didn’t know what was going on at Penn State??!?!?! The NCAA did nothing to stop it, so they should be disbanded!”

    (See what I did there?)

  114. lakepoinsett says: Jul 23, 2012 12:41 PM

    That’s what happens when you have a gutless Administration!

  115. myopinionisrighterthanyours says: Jul 23, 2012 12:43 PM

    willhnic says:
    Jul 23, 2012 10:52 AM
    I know many of you will not only disagree…but may even attack me for saying this. Wow…$60,000,000 fine. I don’t think PSU should even be punished or fined. The school itself didn’t do anything.

    ———————————————–

    Exactly the point. The school did NOTHING, while it should have done something.

  116. jimmy53 says: Jul 23, 2012 12:47 PM

    phillyfrank:

    “(See what I did there?)”–

    Yes we see that you made an argument that makes no logical sense and holds no water. Well done.

  117. tgabbo says: Jul 23, 2012 12:53 PM

    phillyfrank says: Jul 23, 2012 12:40 PM

    OK, I’ll play…

    “With the amount of money Penn State football made for the NCAA, and as important as PSU was to their program, you mean to tell me that the NCAA didn’t know what was going on at Penn State??!?!?! The NCAA did nothing to stop it, so they should be disbanded!”

    ——————————-

    Penn St football makes the NCAA less than 1%

  118. dthomas74 says: Jul 23, 2012 1:02 PM

    I am confused by the comments of “this has nothing to do with football”. Generally speaking it is true that this issue isn’t relevent to college football per se. However, this issue has EVERYTHING to do with PSU football. Joe Paterno and others allowed a suspected child predator to use the football facilities unsupervised. They allowed him to promote his inside abuse of children partly through the PSU football program. When they no longer suspected but knew this was happening, they continued to cover the issue up.

    I feel the NCAA acted appropriately in every manner. They protected the students and players while issuing punishment. To have given the death penalty, in my opinion would not have been the best alternative. Now PSU will have to rebuild its program while everyone watches and know why. Humbling.

    Unfortunately, in most aspects of life those who have power and abuse that power often take innocent people down with them when they can no longer hold onto that power. It isn’t fair, but in no way could there not have been serious consequences for the actions that were taking place within the PSU football program.

  119. robert3645789 says: Jul 23, 2012 1:05 PM

    Hopefully this punishment will have an impact beyond Penn State in reinforcing the fundamental missions of higher education institutions; education and the value of such. If highly successful multimillion dollar college athletic programs is the key the survival of our educational institutions……we are 4th down and 35 to go in the education game.

    I would propose that public educational institutions eliminate the ‘separate’ revenue, operational income/expense/decision-making status that athletic departments have at most major universities. That would be a good first step in slowing down this runaway train that college athletics has become.

  120. eagles512 says: Jul 23, 2012 1:05 PM

    The NCAA continues to be a joke. To make judgement off of ONE MANs investigation is a laughable. If the trials were finished and guilt was proven, THEN hit them hard. But to do it now is ridiculous. Not to mention everyone involved is gone. So a freshman now will never play in a bowl when him and his coaching staff had nothing to do with anything. And using criminal acts to punish a team sets up a precedent. What’s next? A coach that gets a DUI or beats his wife will now result in his team getting a bowl ban? As usual, the NCAA fails.

  121. phillyfrank says: Jul 23, 2012 1:22 PM

    @Jimmy53: Your comments have been courteous, so let me just say that I wasn’t making an argument–I was making a ridiculous statement to show the torch and pitchfork crowd how easy it is to jump to conclusions and adopt a scorched earth policy without having all the facts. You have to admit, there’s been a lot of that since this story first broke. Also, you wrote, “PSU has an opportunity to show the country how to build a program the right way and become a wonderful example to other programs nation wide.” I sincerely hope that comes to pass.

  122. burkartsj says: Jul 23, 2012 1:36 PM

    The punishment is too lenient…the punishment is too strict…the NCAA did right…the NCAA did wrong…the “death penalty” should have been given… and blah blah blah.

    The fact of the matter is that the NCAA does not have the power or authority to do anything to a college football program. They pretty much lost their teeth when the the Supreme Court decided in the late 80′s that the individual conferences could negotiate there own TV deals (individual conferences currently negotiate there own TV deals, run the BCS, and all of the bowls independent of anything the NCAA does). Sure, we see the NCAA establish sanctions all the time for recruiting and rules violations but the football conferences allow the NCAA to do this because they need the NCAA to preserve the amateur status of the game (so they don’t have to adequately compensate players or pay disability for those injured, a subject for another time). The point is that the NCAA doesn’t do anything to a football program that the schools/conferences don’t agree to.

    In this case the Big Ten has a brand to protect, so they’re willing to allow the sanctions on Penn State. But they would never sanction a death penalty; there is way to much money at stake. If Penn State didn’t submit to the sanctions the Big Ten would probably expel them and then they would be in a world of hurt. They could field a team but who would they play?

    So, ultimately this is a punishment that the NCAA, Big Ten, and Penn State agreed was “fair”. Everyone out there screaming for due process and saying that the NCAA really took it to Penn State needs to realize that Penn State (the institution, not the fans) is consenting to all of this. Personally, I think the sanctions are fairly lenient. $60M is light when you consider what there program makes. Wins vacated? OK, I guess it changes the tally of wins in some book, but those games happened and the college made money on all of those wins that are now vacated. Scholarships? The program will probably go through a rough patch over the next 5-8 years but it will keep making money and sooner or later it will be back to business-as-usual.

  123. theuglitruth says: Jul 23, 2012 1:37 PM

    We will not see a national champion out of the Big 10 for 10 years simply because the entire conference was weakened. The strength of schedule argument will keep the entire conference out of any chances.

  124. sasquash20 says: Jul 23, 2012 2:40 PM

    This is a joke! Only 60 million dollars???????They just anounced that they received over 205 million in donations alone this past year. Oh probation for 5 years that is real tough. NCAA is a bigger joke then PSU! Way to take Joe’s wins away, What the hell does that do? What a joke!!

  125. sasquash20 says: Jul 23, 2012 2:53 PM

    should have been the death penalty for at least 14 years. This NCAA issued penalty is an absolute joke!

  126. chiefagc5675 says: Jul 23, 2012 8:53 PM

    I didn’t need any confirmation that Americans are the dumbest people on the planet- BUT THANK YOU FOR THOSE POSTING AGAINST PSU- this decision was to protect repugnants- from the Governor on down to all the Second Mile repugnant sponsors. Second Mile was not mentioned in the sentence- it’s as bad as the death sentence – Penn State will be out of college football for 10 years- not one player was involved and we have to take Freeh’s republican (liar) word that Paterno was involved. In 1998 the police and the county prosecutor passed on charging Sandusky with his crimes- now that Paterno is dead- you’re blaming him. What’s amazing to me is the number of people who were abused by adults and said nothing about their accuser but are now piling on Paterno as though he were their abuser. Get counseling losers- it was your problem- not Paternos.

  127. richm2256a says: Jul 23, 2012 10:04 PM

    chiefagc5675 says:Jul 23, 2012 8:53 PM

    I didn’t need any confirmation that Americans are the dumbest people on the planet- BUT THANK YOU FOR THOSE POSTING AGAINST PSU- this decision was to protect repugnants- from the Governor on down to all the Second Mile repugnant sponsors. Second Mile was not mentioned in the sentence- it’s as bad as the death sentence – Penn State will be out of college football for 10 years- not one player was involved and we have to take Freeh’s republican (liar) word that Paterno was involved. In 1998 the police and the county prosecutor passed on charging Sandusky with his crimes- now that Paterno is dead- you’re blaming him. What’s amazing to me is the number of people who were abused by adults and said nothing about their accuser but are now piling on Paterno as though he were their abuser. Get counseling losers- it was your problem- not Paternos.
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    Wow……. just Wow.

    This has got to be the most ignorant statement I have ever read.

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