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OTL: Penn State trustees to appeal sanctions with plans of filing suit

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What do Allen Iverson, Penn State and the NCAA all have in common?

They’re all (still) talking about the game.

Late last week, the family of longtime Penn State coach Joe Paterno filed an odd notice to the NCAA — and to point out that a particular letter from the Paterno family was odd is saying something — appealing the sanctions against the program.

The reasons behind the letter were interesting and not completely off-base, but the Penn State sanctions aren’t subject to appeal*, so the move was pointless.

Well, maybe not entirely.

ESPN’s ‘Outside the Lines” reports that at least two Penn State trustees plan to file a similar appeal to the NCAA over the sanctions levied by Association president Mark Emmert. The punishments included a $60 million fine, scholarship loss, bowl ban and probation. The trustees also know they’re going to lose that appeal (re: NCAA sanctions aren’t subject to appeal).

So, they’re reportedly planning to sue.

“Trustees and a person with first-hand knowledge of the discussions said the move is a precursor to a federal lawsuit asking a federal judge to invalidate the sanctions, because trustees expect the NCAA to reject the appeal,” the OTL report states.

Leading the movement is trustee Ryan McCombie, a retired Navy SEAL who joined the board in June. Trustees also reportedly want to determine whether university president Rodney Erickson had the legal authority to sign the consent decree agreeing to the sanctions against the program. Erickson consulted with board chairwoman Karen Peetz and university counsel before making the decision to sign the agreement.

This, of course, comes two weeks after the board met to discuss whether Erickson had that jurisdiction, after which they released the following statement:

The Board finds the punitive sanctions difficult and the process with the NCAA unfortunate. But as we understand it, the alternatives were worse as confirmed by NCAA President Mark Emmert’s recent statement that Penn State was likely facing a multi-year death sentence.

But, here we are again — and on the same day Penn State’s football program tries to move forward without nearly a dozen of its players.

The fact that this continues to be a football issue is absurd when you consider the real situation: one man molested young boys while others did nothing to stop it. But Emmert made it a football issue when he stepped in and punished the program how he did.

The myopic and misplaced priorities by members of the Penn State board and Paterno family are only a reflection of what was presented to them.

(*a note: the Penn State infractions cannot be appealed, not to be confused with general NCAA sanctions, which can.) 

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  1. dannythebisforbeast says: Aug 6, 2012 4:41 PM

    I guarantee the trustees who are spearheading this effort are newly appointed and not the embedded bunch who bowed down to the NCAA for selfish reasons. Such as no further investigation into them, what they knew, when they knew etc. keep in mind Spanier and Curley still on payroll collection 600k and 400k a year respectively Schulz retired w pension. WHAT PRICE HAVE THE BOARD AND THOSE THREE PAID? None if you ask me

  2. myopinionisrighterthanyours says: Aug 6, 2012 4:44 PM

    Infreakincredible. Another reason why Penn State needs to completely white wash and get rid of the BOT as well. They need to realize the more distance they put between themselves and this whole tradgic affair, and the sooner they move on and begin to heal, the better for everyone. Plus, they may want to concern themselves for the rightful suits they have coming their way from the Sandusky victims.

  3. brewcrewfan54 says: Aug 6, 2012 4:44 PM

    Well this sure sounds like PSU is putting football first again which if I’m not mistaken is what they said they need to stop doing.

  4. dannythebisforbeast says: Aug 6, 2012 4:45 PM

    It’s not a Football issue it’s an administration issue and THEY ARE STILL IN CHARGE. Football paid for what the heads of the university did.

  5. lamontjoe says: Aug 6, 2012 4:46 PM

    You know, the NCAA should say, yes you’re right PSU, instead of the 4 yr bowl ban, and all the other stuff, PSU should get a 4 yr death penalty ban. I bet the Paternos main concern is to try and restore JoPa’s record. Let it go already. With all this BS, I hope someone else ends up in jail. PSU, take your punishment like a man and move on already.

  6. dmvtransplant says: Aug 6, 2012 4:50 PM

    It’s America and you can sue who ever you want for what ever you want. Good Luck sounds like a losing case to me.

  7. newlydead says: Aug 6, 2012 4:54 PM

    i read the whole article behind this, they are not filing due to the sanctions, they are filing due to the process followed. the Freeh report made mention that the BOT did not get involved enough in the process/decision making during the whole JS incident yet the BOT was left in the dark during the sanctions process. That is what they are appealing, that once again the BOT was not involved in something they should have been involved in.

  8. deadeye says: Aug 6, 2012 4:55 PM

    PSU is pathetic.

  9. ningenito78 says: Aug 6, 2012 4:55 PM

    They got no shot. Emmeret isn’t dumb enough to not have all the I’s dotted and T’s crossed to make the punishments rock solid. Penn St agreed to the punishment. Can’t have buyers remorse now.

  10. dannythebisforbeast says: Aug 6, 2012 5:13 PM

    I don’t know about crossing t’s and dotting i’s but issuing sanctions 11 days after someone else released a report and bypassing all previous rules and regulations sounds a bit hasty. maybe Emmert in his wannabe goodell mode figured with all the public outcry for something to be done no one would question it

  11. paperlions says: Aug 6, 2012 5:15 PM

    I have to disagree with the author here. This is clearly a football issue because football was the REASON that a pedophile was allowed to continue to molest boys and to do it in PSU facilities. Football was so important to Paterno, the AD, and other PSU administrators that they let a pedophile run loose on campus. These administrators include the BOT, who were so disinterested in the Sandusky investigation, that when informed about it months before Sandusky was arrested, not a single BOT member asked a single follow up question. Not one question. They were told a pedophile may have been running lose on their campus and that he was the famous Jerry Sandusky and no one asked a single question about it.

    Anyway, if you are going to put football above the welfare of children, then you don’t get to have football. The BOT should consider the school lucky for how easily they got off….any suit could only result in worse sanctions….because if the current ones are somehow thrown out and the NCAA has to go through its own investigation, all it can possibly do is make things worse for PSU…and the next time they are sanctioned, it won’t be a negotiation, and the sanctions will shut the program down.

  12. newlydead says: Aug 6, 2012 5:16 PM

    ningenito78 – when you say “Penn St agreed to the punishment” who exactly are you referring to by Penn State?

    that is what this appeal is about, not the sanctions themselves. i wish people could just set aside their underlying hatred of Penn State and read what the article(s) is saying before replying with a generic “they need to go away” statement.

    the concept is that the way “Penn State” agreed to the punishment is not the way the process should have been. what is happening now is what has been happening the last 10 years or so, people in power at Penn State are bypassing the process for their own needs. that is what they want answered.

  13. phillyphever says: Aug 6, 2012 5:21 PM

    Alright, this has finally gotten stupid. Mark, do everyone a favor and just kick Penn St. out of the NCAA. They’ll never get it, so why bother having this dunce of a program embarrassing your product?

  14. cometkazie says: Aug 6, 2012 5:25 PM

    Lewis Carroll couldn’t have come up with this plot.

  15. omniusprime says: Aug 6, 2012 5:26 PM

    Ben Kercheval is some kind of bleeding heart republican who tries to protect pedophile protectors. Pedophile State deserved the 4 year death penalty but obviously bribed their way out of that proper punishment. Now Pedophile State wants to appeal the weak NCAA sanctions. The NCAA should just dismiss this obnoxious appeal and tack on the 4 year death penalty.

    It’s obvious that there is still a criminal element at the Pedophile State BoT and there needs to be more prosecutions of this criminal college administration.

    NCAA Give Pedophile State the Death Penalty!

  16. newlydead says: Aug 6, 2012 5:33 PM

    omniusprime – the NCAA can not dismiss the appeal and then tack on the 4 year death penalty. there would be no basis for the death penalty. they already handed down their sanctions for the “infractions”. they would have to accept the appeal, do their own investigation then hand down the death penalty.

    think before posting

    though by your use of a fictitious university name i can tell your intentions

  17. sportsdrenched.com says: Aug 6, 2012 5:33 PM

    BOT was left in the dark during the sanctions process. That is what they are appealing, that once again the BOT was not involved in something they should have been involved in.


    that is what this appeal is about, not the sanctions themselves. i wish people could just set aside their underlying hatred of Penn State and read what the article(s) is saying before replying with a generic “they need to go away” statement.

    This an institutional problem then. Why do they need to sue anyone? Sueing the NCAA just makes PSU look exactly like what paperlions described.

    If I were the Gov, or even a State Sen/Rep I’d be bring the hammer to this place to get their acts together. From the sound of things it’s as dysfunctional as an organization as it is football fundementalist.

  18. phillyphever says: Aug 6, 2012 5:37 PM

    “If I were the Gov, or even a State Sen/Rep I’d be bring the hammer to this place to get their acts together. From the sound of things it’s as dysfunctional as an organization as it is football fundementalist.

    Where’s Ed Rendell when you need him?

  19. saints97 says: Aug 6, 2012 5:39 PM

    Bleeding heart republican? Never heard that before, but I suppose ol’ Dubya might’ve resembled that.

  20. sabatimus says: Aug 6, 2012 5:58 PM

    Every one of those trustees involved in the sure-to-be-pending suit should be VASTLY ashamed of themselves. Yes the sanctions are huge and difficult; they SHOULD BE. This motion by the BoD, in my opinion, is a de facto middle finger to all of Sandusky’s victims.

  21. sabatimus says: Aug 6, 2012 5:59 PM

    Oop BoT.

  22. frug says: Aug 6, 2012 6:03 PM

    This actually gets to one of PSU’s biggest organizational problems; the fact it has 32 members on its BOT, which is, at least, double what a school like Penn St. should have. The sheer size of the BOT makes it nearly impossible for them to address issues in a timely manner and carry out their oversight functions which is Spanier and the rest of the administration were able to consolidate some much power.

    All the members of the BOT need to resign and its overall membership needs to be reduced if the school is serious about changing the culture.

  23. dkhhuey says: Aug 6, 2012 6:04 PM

    Just when you think PSU can’t get any more pathetic – they start down this ridiculous path. I hope these idiots bring down the death penalty on themselves – now that would be priceless!

    They commission the investigation and agree with the findings. The NCAA bases its findings on this investigation and the university president signs off on the sanctions. Now the BoT, who have been silent and more than happy to sit around with their thumbs up their a$$es while Sandusky is anally raping and sexually abusing children, now decides that it is time to get involved.

    Sorry morons – way too little – way too late!

  24. sparky151 says: Aug 6, 2012 6:05 PM

    The NCAA is expecting PSU to hand over 60 million dollars. The university president doesn’thave any authority to promise anyone that much money without a vote of the trustees. The NCAA also has a disciplinary process that was circumvented by Emmert. PSU has an excellent case before an impartial federal judge. Taking the Freeh report at face value is probably unwise too.

  25. dannythebisforbeast says: Aug 6, 2012 6:21 PM

    @sports drenched do you mean the governor who gave $3 million in tax breaks/grants to second mile WHILE Sandusky was being investigated and HE ABSOLUTELY KNEW about it. ALSO supplied ONE investigator to Sandusky case. I think not. That guy went this swept under the rug as quickly as possible.

  26. mgmac says: Aug 6, 2012 6:22 PM

    psu = pedophile or pathetic state univ. take your pick

  27. phillyphan93 says: Aug 6, 2012 6:36 PM

    Hasn’t enough money been wasted? This school has got some nerve.

  28. dannythebisforbeast says: Aug 6, 2012 6:36 PM

    Mgmac=unoriginal and unfunny.

  29. jonanthans says: Aug 6, 2012 6:38 PM

    Please God let the actual victims (the kids who were molested for many of you who seem to forget that) be able to retain the very best attorneys and make the punishment that the NCAA handed out look like a slap on the wrist.

  30. zoot1234 says: Aug 6, 2012 6:48 PM

    The thing that people don’t get is that Sandusky had use of the facilities at Penn State due to his involvement with the Second Mile Charity not because of the football program. The Second Mile charity was given use of The facilities by the PSU administration. It had nothing to do with football. Spanier, Schultz, Curly, Paterno and the board should be held accountable not the football program. Sandusky stopped (or was forced to stop) coaching for Penn State in 1999. He had has nothing to do with the program for over a decade. The way this story has been presented in the media, you would think he was on the sidelines last year. How do you punish current players, current coaches, and current students for something that they had nothing to do with?

    Paterno is gone. Who cares about the record. Curly and Schultz are going to have their day in court. Spanier, The Second Mile, The Board of Trustees, and Govenor Corbett (who was the DA while this was all going on) should be punsihed. Not the players, staff, students and alumni at Penn State.

    On another note: all you people who think you are incredibly witty for coming up with Pedophile State and other names need to think about what you are saying. You come off as incredibly ignorant.

  31. drexelvol says: Aug 6, 2012 6:54 PM

    “The fact that this continues to be a football issue is absurd when you consider the real situation: one man molested young boys while others did nothing to stop it. But Emmert made it a football issue when he stepped in and punished the program how he did.”

    I don’t understand how you could possibly think that way, Ben.

    One man who had Emeritus status at the University as a member of the football program, using the football program’s facilities molested young boys while the HEAD FOOTBALL coach did nothing to stop it.

    I can’t believe I have to argue that the lack of institutional control at the hands of the football program means it’s sure as shit a football problem.

  32. eyeh8goodell says: Aug 6, 2012 6:55 PM

    @zoot

    On another note: all you people who think you are incredibly witty for coming up with Pedophile State and other names need to think about what you are saying. You come off as incredibly ignorant.

    ——————–

    I agree. I much prefer Ped State Nambla Lions. Far more dignified.

  33. drexelvol says: Aug 6, 2012 6:57 PM

    “The thing that people don’t get is that Sandusky had use of the facilities at Penn State due to his involvement with the Second Mile Charity not because of the football program.”

    Wrong. It was because Paterno forced PSU to make Sandusky an Emeritus staff member and gave him an office in the football facilities. Therefore, Sandusky sure did had something to do with the football program since 1999.

    Get your facts right.

  34. coolhorn says: Aug 6, 2012 7:30 PM

    A poster above got it right when he said anybody can sue anybody for anything in our society. There’s an old saying that goes along with that…”A fool and his money are soon parted.”

    Obtaining justice costs money, but guess what…failing to obtain justice costs money too. Anybody who thinks a former U.S. attorney general would obscure a report dealing with something as serious as the coverup of the Sandusky crimes is delusional…and I think that word, delusional, aptly fits the fringe at Penn State that wants to take their NCAA penalties before a court. The attorneys will make money, lots of it, but when all is said and done, the penalties will stand, and some folks at Penn State will foot the attorneys’ bills for losing.

    It’s time for those in authority at Penn State to realize that the NCAA went softer on the school’s football program than they could have. Penn State didn’t get a four year death penalty, but if they want to drag their sanctions into court, the NCAA may decide to revisit the death penalty. No matter what, some in authority at that school are showing that indeed, football comes first, before decency, dignity, or any other values that schools are supposed to espouse.

  35. dannythebisforbeast says: Aug 6, 2012 7:39 PM

    @drexelvol if the Freeh report is to be believed then The fact is Paterno in a handwritten note said Sandusky shouldn’t be allowed use of facilities for Second mile. It was approved by Spanier alone. If you would like to review the report for confirmation please go ahead. Hard to find because it’s in small print as an annotation.

  36. zoot1234 says: Aug 6, 2012 7:43 PM

    I’m in no way defending Paterno or his actions. He and Penn State adminstration were totally wrong in their handling of the situation. It seems that Penn State is a terribly run University.

    Paterno & Spanier were fired as they should have been. Curly And Schultz have been charged. In my opinion, the entire BOT should be removed and Gov. Corbett and Second Mile should answer for their failures. These are the people at fault. They should be the ones punished. The NCAA really has no business being involved.

    The NCAA punishing the players, staff, students and fans makes no sense. Taking away scholorships from high school kids, and punishing Penn State football with sanctions is extremely misguided and if you think about it pointless. How does preventing a football team from playing a game in January equal justice for the awful things that went on? How does preventing a high school kid from getting a scholorship two years from now fix this mess? It is a publicity stunt to help improve the NCAA’s image so that people take them more seriously.

  37. mungman69 says: Aug 6, 2012 7:44 PM

    This IS a football issue.

  38. dannythebisforbeast says: Aug 6, 2012 7:48 PM

    @coolhorn can you explain why that same attorney general gave $3 million to second mile all the while knowing Sandusky was under investigation?? His hands are far from clean. I am not delusional.

  39. huskylawyer says: Aug 6, 2012 7:51 PM

    Saying this isn’t a football issue (when a coach is using facilities to molest, and football administrators, i.e., JoePa, basically do nothing) is like saying it isn’t a football issue when a college football player kills someone driving drunk. Is the team supposed to say, “ok..you are still on the team…it isn’t a “football issue.” That’s absurd.

    It is call an ACCOUNTABILITY ISSUE.

  40. dannythebisforbeast says: Aug 6, 2012 7:53 PM

    @zoot Spanier was not fired and still collects 600k a year. Curley collects close to 400k. Schulz collects a hefty pension.

  41. stoutfiles says: Aug 6, 2012 8:03 PM

    @zoot1234

    It’s about setting an example, so that every college knows to not let possible crimes go unnoticed and/or univestigated.

    None of these students/alumni were punished. They still have their precious football program. As for kids who won’t get scholarships, if you can play for Penn State, you can get a full ride scholarship somewhere else.

  42. dannythebisforbeast says: Aug 6, 2012 8:09 PM

    It’s becoming more apparent every day it’s more than football and more than paterno. The BOT hasn’t made one proactive decision. They are obviously not on the same page and cant manage out of a paper bagThe current President should never have been promoted and in fact removed with Spanier as he was a VP.
    They have yet TO EVEN CONTACT one victim offer $$ or apologize. As I’ve said numerous times this rabbit hole goes farther And wider than probably will ever be known. The name aren’t as glamorous as Joe Paterno so the mob will not call for their heads. But the SAME people who were guilty are STILL calling the shots. Hence the new guy smells something afoul.

  43. zoot1234 says: Aug 6, 2012 8:11 PM

    Curly, Schultz, and Spanier still getting pensions is wrong. More proof the board needs to be removed and held accountable. I don’t see how the NCAA sanctions fix that.

    As far as setting an example. The NCAA is the last place anyone should be looking for a positive example. It’s not about saving anyone’s prescious football program. It’s about the NCAA grandstanding and sticking their nose into something prematurely. If they were taking this seriosuly wouldn’t you think they would have at least followed their own procedures for punishing a program? Instead they rushed to get their sanctions out so that it would get the most media exposure.

  44. dhlions says: Aug 6, 2012 8:18 PM

    Right or wrong, McCombie is a former USN Seal. I’m guessing somewhere in his genetic code there is a penchant for action rather than inaction. I’ll be curious to see where this goes, but I’m glad to see someone at PSU acting like they have a spine and standing up for the future.

    Pay the fines and lawsuits, scrub the stats from the books, let Sandusky, Curly, et al. hang, but don’t punish those who had nothing to do with the actual crime.

  45. drunkenagitator says: Aug 6, 2012 8:25 PM

    Perhaps in the future PSU will refrain from giving an eighty year old football coach complete and total control over an entire university. I hope all the money from those “Joe Pa” coffee mugs, refrigerator magnets and key chains was worth it.

  46. surly1n1nd1anapol1s says: Aug 6, 2012 8:26 PM

    This institution is a disgrace.

  47. raysfan1 says: Aug 6, 2012 8:36 PM

    @dannyisforthebeast (adding to the response to cool horn)–
    As AG, Tom Corbett started the Sandusky investigation. Within months of becoming Governor he did indeed sign a bill including a $3M grant to Second Mile. It is impossible he did not know the case that was building by then, including just how disgusting the accusations were. He was then one of the most vocal members of the BoT in condemning Paterno.

    I personally feel the PSU probation is appropriate, but there is no doubt the BoT’s actions have been self-serving and disingenuous from the start.

  48. tonyricemajorharris says: Aug 6, 2012 8:54 PM

    The Lawyers are loving this! Cha Ching!!

  49. arizonapetdoctor says: Aug 6, 2012 9:05 PM

    Right or wrong, most people outside of penn state university have made up their mind regarding the culpability of the administration, football program, Paterno, and the university (by association with the aforementioned parties). Further attention is only bringing worse press and opinion, since the NCAA will no sooner back down from the sanctions than they would from SMUs, USCs, tOSUs, etc. Unfortunately the BOT mentality of further challenging the NCAA will only continue to bring the issue into the forefront of the media attention for months, if not years. Not the greatest of publicity if there are further skeletons that may be uncovered with further trials. At that point, since the NCAA is an organization which has a say in their membership and the federal gov does not, is it possible that PSU gets blackballed in all sports completely??? If this does occur, however unlikely, then the BOT have no one to blame but themselves for not accepting a fair (in my opinion) punishment, and challenging the NCAA and the 18 members of the board which apparently wanted to shut down the football program.

  50. dhlions says: Aug 6, 2012 9:37 PM

    @arizonapetdoctor

    What exactly is the culpability of the football program as it stands today?

  51. arizonapetdoctor says: Aug 6, 2012 9:54 PM

    DH
    At no point did I say that they are culpable. My own personal belief notwithstanding. But the general public apparently does, and this appeal will only further tarnish the university. I have several friends who have attended PSU, and they want nothing more then to put the sordid chapter of the last decade plus in the history books. The BOT seems to be incapable of doing that, and that was my point. As far as my personal beliefs regarding the football programs culpability, guilt by association may not always be fair or right, but it is a reality of life today. The NCAA represents a huge number of universities, and as such, responded to 18 board members wishes (or as a previous article stated, Emmert was more lenient than the board wanted him to be). My point of the previous post is that, when further stirring up this issue with appeals, do not be surprised if further repercussions follow. Because, it certainly does appear that the PSU BOT just do not seem to get what the remaining athletic directors, university presidents, and general public believe, that the crime was so heinous, and the football team has its name attached to Sandusky, causing the sanctions to fall upon them. If PSU is more than a football program with an institution of higher education attached, they are doing a poor job of showing it. It is unfortunate that the student body, alumni and fans feels like they are being punished, because, the reality is, they can still watch their program, however mediocre it will be for the next four years. If this issue is pushed, who knows if they will even have that…

  52. tundra11 says: Aug 6, 2012 9:59 PM

    I actually hope this thing works for this nut case of a BOT member. The sanctions laid on Pedophile State were far too lenient. They should have received the death penalty. Permanently. Once these sanctions are thrown out and a real investigation is made and the full extent of all the evil deeds committed by this evil institution are fully exposed, they will finally be shut down forever.

  53. arizonapetdoctor says: Aug 6, 2012 10:10 PM

    The other thing to consider for PSU fans is that these “men” allegedly allowed a pedophile to prosper in their midst for a decade plus. Do you think that they are not going to throw JP and the rest of the football program and university under the bus to achieve a deal for themselves….. BOT be careful of the can of worms you are opening

  54. loadofwash says: Aug 6, 2012 10:25 PM

    Does anyone remember university president mark emmeret at LSU…”…the success of LSU is entirely dependent on the success of the LSU football program”. Nice. What an a-hole.

  55. loadofwash says: Aug 6, 2012 10:27 PM

    Where we’re those weapons of mass distruction again? They had pictures and everything.

  56. normtide says: Aug 6, 2012 10:27 PM

    Sometimes you just have to take your medicine and move on. The longer this drags it, tter worse it gets for psu. The nqw coach seems to be the only one trying to start getting past this. He wants to change the uni’s a little, among other restart ideas. He also had a great quote, the coaching staff is full of fathers. He is trying to earn new respect, not grasp at respect that is long gone. No one hates germany for it’s WWII sins, because it owned them and started anew.

  57. tmb333 says: Aug 6, 2012 10:30 PM

    Surprise, a member of the media wanting to protect the status quo program. Screw PSU. They made their decision to protect the football program and give Paterno a chance to get the record. Was it worth it?

    The rogue trustees have no authority nor do the represent the university. The board only derives it power when it is in session. Individual members have no authority outside of session. These trustees can not walk up a fire someone on campus because they simply do not have the authority.

    The BOT has spoken and accepted that Erickson had the authority to sign the DC. The NCAA requires member presidents to be granted this authority. They don’t deal with BOTs etc. They deal directly ith the university president.

    I hope the NCAA shuts them down, expels them and the Big Ten follows their lead. Let PSU go play in the NAIA.

  58. loadofwash says: Aug 6, 2012 10:36 PM

    Can someone please remind me which football program just won the academic bowl? That’s right all you fuk’n haters. Who’s laughing now.

  59. arizonapetdoctor says: Aug 6, 2012 10:44 PM

    Loadofwash(crap)
    You are the problem but you are either to myopic or flat out idiotic to realize it. Most football fans of other teams would sympathize with PSU football players and fans on the basis that only one man (JP) involved in the football program after 1999 (allegedly) had knowledge of the crimes being committed, not the entire football structure which is currently being punished. But when you spout off like you did, all sympathy disappears. You are the problem, not the solution, like you undoubtably think you are.

  60. tundra11 says: Aug 6, 2012 10:46 PM

    Pedophile State fans and administration are so absolutely brainwashed it is unbelieveable. They still don’t get it. The cult following is so strong it will never be broken until the football program is shut down forever.

  61. loadofwash says: Aug 6, 2012 10:54 PM

    Az pet dr

    Thanks for the insight you world class moron. So many haters. That’s typical from second tier schools and second tier communities and a holes like you. Get a grip. This was a criminal mater. All the NCAA did was take a punch at a univ that couldn’t hit back. What a stooge, anymore headlines you’re an expert on?

  62. arizonapetdoctor says: Aug 6, 2012 10:56 PM

    Point proven, thank you

  63. arizonapetdoctor says: Aug 6, 2012 10:59 PM

    PS load, destruction is spelled with an E not an I, so much for you claims of academic superiority (at least if you are a product of their educational program). No disrespect to the remaining PSU alumni, unfortunately this fan seems to be the bad apple in the bunch

  64. loadofwash says: Aug 6, 2012 11:00 PM

    Tundra

    It’s actually simple minded people like you that fuel the fire. Let me guess, you made it all the way to 10th grade. (catholic school too I suppose)

  65. fetchezlavache says: Aug 6, 2012 11:01 PM

    @arizonapetdoctor

    I understand the rationale for the perceived culpability of the admin and Paterno. If you include the Trustees with admin, then what are you left with in regards to football program and university?

    After Paterno, the football program is the coaches and players. I think it is universally agreed that the players are faultless. Maybe instead of football program you mean the culture of football at PSU, which would bring Paterno and admin (including trustees) back into the picture.

    Likewise, if you segregate (senior) admin (and trustees) from university, then what are you left with? The students, non-exec admin and profs (and one could add by extension the alums like me).

    My point here isn’t just semantics. PSU is going to be painted with a broad brush throughout this for years to come. Nothing is going to change this. But just remember that we’re talking about a school with over 40,000 undergrads and grads alone in State College. Add employees of the school and another 30,000 students at satellite campuses. The failure was at the top. While Spanier, Schultz, Curley and Paterno might have thought the program was more important and 30 plus trustees lacked the fortitude to challenge the few supposed leaders, the other 70,000 plus that make up Penn State never promoted the idea of letting Sandusky run free and therefore are not culpable. Unfortunately, what happened showed that a few were granted such wide latitude that they had the power to bring down 70,000.

  66. amosalanzostagg says: Aug 6, 2012 11:12 PM

    By all means, let the BoT file suit. Remember discovery goes both ways. Let’s ask the PSU police chief for all of his records back before 1998. ALL OF THE RECORDS. Let’s see what was being swept under the rug by the PSU Administration, University and by the Athletic Department. Lets look at ALL THE RECORDS of the BoT in relation to Second Mile, the State AG office, and the Office of the Governor. While we’re at it, why not open the still unsolved disappearance of the County DA who has been missing since 2005.

    Let’s review the University compliance with specific regards to enforcement of the Clery Act on federal funding to PSU since the act was implemented. Let’s review the relationship of Graham Spanier as President of PSU and his high profile position in the NCAA and see if there was
    a definite conflict of interest in reporting the University relationship with Second Mile.

    By all means PSU BoT, do file the lawsuit and have a friendly federal judge issue a stay. By doing so,
    every Big Ten school, ACC school and every Div I
    school will use it against you in ALL sports.

    Imagine the negative recruiting done in ALL sports
    by simply telling a recruit “You want to go to PSU
    in (name a sport)? Why? They sued to have an agreed upon penalty overturned and now the NCAA
    is going to have an investigation of the entire Athletic program? Who knows what they will find?
    You think a University that covered for a convicted
    felon won’t have other violations in other sports?
    You think the NCAA won’t now shut down the main revenue sport for FOUR years? Come to (name your school) and you won’t have to worry as to paying for PSU’s sins.”

    It will happen should PSU not accept what been
    handed out.

    The question PSU people really should be asking
    “Are you prepared to accept that there is a lot
    more about the Athletic program that you will not like? Are you prepared to have your University
    to have an examination in the court of public opinion of details and situations that are now not
    public knowledge?” Remember, you already have
    senior Administration officials facing the Feds on violations under Clery? Are you really ready for that?

  67. arizonapetdoctor says: Aug 6, 2012 11:20 PM

    @fetchezlavache

    That was the point of my original post, and it is unfortunate that the Trustees did not do their due diligence regarding the Freeh report (accepting conclusions if they did not agree with them). In their acceptance, it gave the NCAA the justification (in Emmert’s mind, and apparently the NCAA board) to act as they did. Unfortunately, the players and the students suffer the consequences. Also see cases such as USC (one player), tOSU (six players and a coach), UNC (not sure the number of players but certainly not the whole team), the list goes on for all teams sanctioned. Granted, PSU received sanctions worse that any of these programs, but the crimes committed were of an logrithmic magnitude. Unfortunately, the 70,000 go without a championship team even though their culpability is zero. But, if that is the perceived greatest injustice in this entire case, then the priorities of the university fan base are way off. Is it fair for them to be collateral damage in this case, no, but with fans like Loadofwash speaking for you, not many are going to feel too badly.

    In this response, please understand that I am not criticizing your alumni, students, or others that you mentioned. However, the reality is that we do not live in a fair utopian society, and guilt by association is not always fair.

  68. raysfan1 says: Aug 6, 2012 11:37 PM

    @fetchezlavache–
    I do feel bad for the 70k not-guilty Nittanies. However, the people who were supposed to be their leaders did screw up to the point that this action was frankly necessary. Their administration of the athletic program is why everyone connected to the university now get to hear trolls who think “Pedophile State” is the height of cleverness. The best thing PSU can do for its students/fans/alumni is take the medicine and move on.

  69. fetchezlavache says: Aug 7, 2012 12:15 AM

    @azpetdoc and rays fan

    First off, let me say that in the overall scheme of things that the loss of scholarships and bowl games assessed against the football program are NOT the worst thing that happened at State. As Emmert said in an interview, the darkest day(s) were the days Sandusky committed his crimes. And while I realize that using “university” in conjunction with “culpability” was not meant to label the 70,000, please remember that the enablers in this crime were a select few. I would respectfully suggest that you be more specific when attributing complicity/culpability

    Though I might not agree with the members of the BOT that are threatening legal action, I still do not understand why the NCAA threatened Erickson with the death penalty if word got out that the NCAA was considering “lesser” penalties. But in the end it would be best to take the medicine and try to retain the best of Joe (emphasis on education) while avoiding the worst.

    As for those that are angry about the BOT and would love to see State get the death penalty, the NCAA still has that power in its grasp. The consent decree stipulated that the NCAA reserved the right to impose more sanctions if further damaging evidence should arise. While State could end up settling civil legal matters, there still exist the potential for investigations by the DOJ for Clery Act violations.

    Finally, for Amos and all of those questioning the disappearance of the DA, I have one simple question. If someone was to have been “taken out” in order to preserve the clean appearance for State, wouldn’t it have been better to take out Sandusky? The X-Files conspiracy talk contributes nothing to the discussion and can too easily be blown out of the water by a simple question like mine.

  70. fetchezlavache says: Aug 7, 2012 12:20 AM

    PS, azpetdoc, if you haven’t read the ESPN story and are interested in what happened between the NCAA and PSU leading up to the announcement of sanctions, I would highly recommend in order to understand the actions of a few BOT members. Also, the BOT member initiating the action did not join the Board until July. Doesn’t mean that he was right. But it gives some context to his actions. That and the fact that he is a former Navy Seal used to taking in obstacles bigger than the NCAA.

  71. djstat says: Aug 7, 2012 12:22 AM

    It was and is a football issue. JoePa knew about it and did nothing to protect his program. Screw the trustees.

  72. steeler1nation says: Aug 7, 2012 1:23 AM

    go head – file suit, Pedo State U…..
    I hope they review it again, and dig deeper, because there are a lot more things being covered up at PSU….then give PSU a multi-year DEATH PENALTY…7-15 YEARS!
    They deserve it.
    btw – this sure as hell IS a football matter. clearly.
    MORONS like “Danny” on here, can’t get that through to their pea-sized brains.

  73. brianbosworthisstonecold says: Aug 7, 2012 1:55 AM

    Tom Corbett needs to be investigated!

  74. barbeaux says: Aug 7, 2012 2:01 AM

    “Emmert made it a football issue” wrong. It appears it was the football program that exerted its force over the university in order to hide the abuse. *That’s what made it a football issue.*

  75. barbeaux says: Aug 7, 2012 2:03 AM

    Sometimes I think these NBC writers post crazy sentences just to stoke activity on their stories

  76. arizonapetdoctor says: Aug 7, 2012 2:55 AM

    @fetchezlavache
    That was the story that I was referring to, ie, the BoT members meeting for a two day period and the report not even being discussed. That does not seem like a prudent decision, therefore, if that is true, their ignorance of the contents of that report seems like a poor argument. Also, it doesn’t really matter when the BoT member joined, they should have not issued the agreement statement if it wasn’t voted or agreed upon. Once again, not a condemnation of the students or alumni, but since the major argument of the inaccuracies of the Freeh report is the lack of contribution/interview of the accused administrators, the stakes go up once their verdict/testimony is on the record. Men with a moral compass as screwed up as theirs will have no qualms pinning at least a portion of the blame on the deceased, and most recognizable, person associated with this story. This may not be the last chapter in the Big10 and NCAA sanctions if more evidence regarding JP is discovered during the trial unfortunately. Personally, I think the program has suffered for the acts of only a few, but the main focus should be the young men whose lives are forever changed

  77. tommy57 says: Aug 7, 2012 3:07 AM

    Two points regarding Ben’s article:

    1 – Ben writes “The fact that this continues to be a football issue is absurd when you consider the real situation: one man molested young boys while others did nothing to stop it. But Emmert made it a football issue when he stepped in and punished the program how he did.” I think this is the central point of the pro/con PSU debate. The ‘others’ to which Ben refers are primarily Joe Paterno, Graham Spanier, Tim Curley and Gary Schultz who, we assume, ‘did noting to stop it’ in order to protect the football program; thus, the seemingly appropriate sactions against that program.

    2 – Ben also writes “The myopic and misplaced priorities by members of the Penn State board and Paterno family are only a reflection of what was presented to them.” I agree, if Ben’s assertion is that the NCAA actions are likewise ‘myopic and misplaced.’

  78. brianbosworthisstonecold says: Aug 7, 2012 4:33 AM

    fetchezlavache says: Finally, for Amos and all of those questioning the disappearance of the DA, I have one simple question. If someone was to have been “taken out” in order to preserve the clean appearance for State, wouldn’t it have been better to take out Sandusky? The X-Files conspiracy talk contributes nothing to the discussion and can too easily be blown out of the water by a simple question like mine.
    ————

    Wrong. Sandusky was a tumor that had to be removed in order to preserve the whole body. Taking out Gricar might have been viewed in the same fashion. Get rid of the little tumors to stay healthy. This is more than just Sandusky, Paterno, Curley, Spanier and Schultz. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

  79. tomtravis76 says: Aug 7, 2012 7:04 AM

    Penn State should just go ahead and leave the Big Ten and NCAA. No sanctions will be imposed then and the football program can continue , now finding teams to play might be an issue, getting athletes to attend the school might be an issue. Kinda seems like PSU needs the NCAA.

  80. bobappraisals says: Aug 7, 2012 7:46 AM

    To the idiots that don’t understand what “Penn State agreed to the sanctions” means….Penn State had a trustee appointed to negotiate with the Ncaa. Once this happended he represented the whole school. All trustees knew he was doing this and all have to live by the sanctions. Instead,like the disgusting Paterno family, one or a couple of trustees are trying to save face and cry foul. The sanctions were negotiated and cannot in anyway be overturned. Penn State signed the sanctions so shut the f@@@ up and live with it. They will lose in court as the Ncaa has the signed documents that Penn State agreed to the sanctions. Now that some trustees are being scumbags, I say hit Penn State with the original non-negotiated sanctions of four years no football. If they can appeal thyen Ncaa can go back to the original sanctions. Shut these f@@@ing scums down for four years.

  81. drarb says: Aug 7, 2012 7:53 AM

    The BoT is really at the root of the problem – from the start – it is the BoT that gives an individual emeritus status and controls what that person has access to. It is the BoT that is supposed to make the major decisions involving money and other high profile decisions (e.g. hiring a president). It is unfortunately the BoT that sets the tone for a university/college.
    The PSU accepting Freeh’s report was an effort to whitewash the BoT. The ncaa accepting the Freeh report because PSU did was a joke. A look at who is on the BoT explains the desire to cast the blame elsewhere – T. Corbett as Governor is on the BoT,as are other business people.
    A bit of history – PSU paid the company run by Chairman of the Board of 2cd Mile 25 Million for construction work – approved by BoT. He raised money for many politicians in PA.
    In 2002 the Director of 2cd Mile was told PSU uncomfortable with Jerry S in shower with boys (even though at that time in PA it was legal) and 2cd mile took no action.
    PAst members of BoT and Board of 2cd Mile gave candidate T. Corbett over $641,000 in his run for governor, while he was investigating case.
    There is a problem with football culture at large D-1 universities, PSU has the problem, as does OSU, LSU, ND, the list is long. Coaches making 4 million a year to coach a sport is absurd. THe amount of money floating around for bowls and the like in football or the “Big Dance” in basketball corrupts the system. ANd the fearless ncaa does nothing about that.
    The problem at PSU was not the culture of football – it was the Incestuous relationships between the BoT of PSU, the 2cd Mile Charity and the politicians of PA. It was this relationship that drove the cover-up of Sandusky and now the blame game. And the ncaa is accepting this because it is true most likely in all states with major D-1 programs.
    To ascribe blame for the cover up to Paterno, Curley, Schultz and Spanier is at best a lie. I don’t doubt these folks knew more than they told – but given the incest in PA who should they turn to?
    I hope that these members of the BoT do go forward – what has to happen is not the end of PSU football, but an end to the incest that occurs in PA. Cleaning house of the BoT and at the Governor’s level (political) will send the message that the football culture is not tolerated. These sanctions will merely cause other schools and their hidden relationships to go further underground and become more damaging.
    By the way it didn’t take long to find this information – a quick google search and there it was. I know haters won’t do this, but before you scream and foam at the mouth about Paterno et al. do some research and see what really seems to be happening.

  82. feva4theflava says: Aug 7, 2012 8:21 AM

    Whatever happen to due process in this country? I say let them appeal and see what the courts say. Emmert and erickson may have over stepped their power here. Just like we should let the civil and criminal courts handle the Sandusky/admin issues. Civil cases haven’t even started yet and believe me PSU will be on the hook big time.

  83. geo4444 says: Aug 7, 2012 8:41 AM

    It never fails to amuse me what it (doesn’t) takes to become a published writer for a developed company.

    Funny the use of “myopic and misplaced priorities” from the writer when entities (that would be individuals, groups or organizations) are being unfairly, improperly and/or without due process punished.

    Yes, I said it. Just because people are angry and have a mob mentality does not mean due process and leveled reciprocity should go out the window.

    Just because a greater wrong exists (the victims of Sandusky) doesn’t mean all other related wrongs are irrelevant &/or should be ignored.

    Hey, should PSU be punished, you bet. But when the NCAA becomes judge, jury and executioner at inappropriate levels it’s time to challenge. Maybe you disagree, but that is what challenges, legal and otherwise, are all about.

  84. tommy57 says: Aug 7, 2012 8:53 AM

    @ brain, who writes, in part “This is more than just Sandusky, Paterno, Curley, Spanier and Schultz. This is just the tip of the iceberg.”

    I’m not sure how brain knows this, but lets all find out through a proper NCAA investigation of the circumstances. That’s the only way to end this hysteria to blame everyone on the campus of PSU and, indeed, anyone and everyone who even hints at a disenting opinion.

  85. amosalanzostagg says: Aug 7, 2012 9:58 AM

    JoePa knew Sandusky for over thirty years. He knew
    that something had been done in the showers by Sandusky to a minor. JoePa was the face of PSU for decades. To say that PSU Administration is responsible for allowing Sandusky access to the mighty PSU football is ludicrous. All it would have taken is one call from JoePa to the President of the University to keep Sandusky off campus and out of the Penn State football program. One call. The same number of calls to the State police to have Sandusky investigated.

    JoePa knew.

  86. amosalanzostagg says: Aug 7, 2012 10:01 AM

    Tommy57,

    By all means let’s have a full bore NCAA investigation.
    Let’s look at the entire athletic program,the entire
    University Administration, PSU’s involvement with Second Mile, the BoT and EVERYTHING involved with Sandusky. You will not like the results.

  87. amosalanzostagg says: Aug 7, 2012 10:05 AM

    Should Penn State challenge the sanctions, say fine.
    Put up to a vote of the NCAA membership on whether
    PSU should be a member of the NCAA. You know who loses.

    Then it really hits Penn State in the pocketbook.

    No football, no athletic program, a pariah forever
    stained.

  88. rayburns says: Aug 7, 2012 10:18 AM

    Let’s be real. Ken’s right, this isn’t a football matter… it’s a money matter.

    Penn State and the surrounding communities make millions off their football program, and any attempt to diminish that cash flow is going to be argued with, regardless of the context.

    Sandusky, Paterno, Emmert, Erickson… none of that really matters, its all about the ka-ching flowing into the pockets.

  89. florida727 says: Aug 7, 2012 10:33 AM

    I’m not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV, but I think the most telling aspect of the validity of the appeal and the reason why a court of law will reject a lawsuit, is that Erickson signed off on it. Unless it can be proven in a court of law that he didn’t have the authority to do so, considering his position at the university, wouldn’t his signature commit the university to the terms of the sanctions? And even if it were determined that he “acted alone” and was not authorized to make such a commitment, wouldn’t that argument be negated by the fact that he also consulted with a Board member AND university counsel? If all else fails, wouldn’t it be a “contract law” matter?

    I just don’t see this going anywhere in Penn State’s favor.

  90. dkhhuey says: Aug 7, 2012 10:34 AM

    I hope the NCAA opens up a full blown investigation on this disgrace of an organization! Let’s see how many felonies Paterno and the clown car gang covered up and dealt with ‘The Penn State Way’. I can’t wait for the NCAA to deliver the death penalty for 5 plus years to NAMBLA U. You want discovery – guess what – you’re going to get a big dose of it very soon!

  91. raysfan1 says: Aug 7, 2012 10:52 AM

    @fetzlavache–
    I guess you did not bother actually reading my post as I stated none of the things you lumped me in with.

  92. tommy57 says: Aug 7, 2012 11:00 AM

    @ (too many of you) who believe PSU should somehow fear a full investigation.

    I disagree. Lets have a look at PSU athletics and identify where there are problems and fix them. It’s just common sense, to me, anyway.

    I find it curious that some can, on the one hand, criticize PSU for developing a culture that they believe was absolutely unique to PSU but now, on the other hand, are not in favor of a broader look into the inner workings of it all.

    Surely, you can’t be afraid that perhaps a broader look into the issues would reveal that indeed only four leaders were involved and that indeed the penalties were excessive, given the circumstances; that is, that these were criminal acts, not athletic violations of NCAA athletic rules.

  93. vamsalmar1967 says: Aug 7, 2012 11:29 AM

    Personally, I hope Penn State does sue, and I hope they win.

    The NCAA has gone overboard with many of their rulings, but this is the worst. Why is the NCAA punishing the school, the students, the athletes, and coaches who knew nothing?

    It was a CRIMINAL matter involving those who committed the crime or knew about it and did nothing. It had nothing to do with the the school or the football program itself. Paterno is dead; Sandusky will be in prison for the rest of his life. They were the ones to be punished. You don’t take it out on the whole school.

    I’m a Bama fan who has always liked Penn State. I don’t blame the school for a horrible crime committed by a few. The punishment was so severe it’s hard to believe they’ll ever recover.

  94. abrellbama says: Aug 7, 2012 11:37 AM

    Things like this get my blood boiling. The NERVE of the BOT’s. They held their own investigation on Sandusky in 2009 and KNEW what Sandusky was doing and had done and didn’t OPEN THEIR MOUTHS! Every one of the BOT’s should have to resign. PERIOD! They need all new BOT members. And let the NCAA give them the DEATH PENALTY if they persist in this stupidity. They should have gotten it anyway.

  95. ncrdbl1 says: Aug 7, 2012 11:43 AM

    The Freeh report was a CYA document to protect the board and current PSU administration by assigning blame on those who cannot defend themselves. There were ZERO NCAA rules violated. Question is what is the board and PSU administration afraid of? Did the buck actually stop at the board of trustees and are they trying to cover their own a$$e$. I applaud the two new board members for taking the action they did.

  96. ebb5000 says: Aug 7, 2012 11:53 AM

    this is the first time ever the ncaa has felt the need to punish a team for something criminal. what happened to the kids was horrible. but to saw this is the what it takes for the ncaa to step in is insulting to past victims and their families on the other instances.
    in the early 2000′s a baylor bball player killed another player and the coach told the team to lie to the cops about it. ncaa said they couldn’t get involved and it was a criminal investigation.
    at notre dame 2 football players raped a girl and threatened her if she went to the cops. she ended up committing suicide. ncaa didn’t think it was their place to get involved.
    all of these things are horrible, but for the ncaa to just decide that this is place is wrong.

    there are some mentions of what an investigation would turn up about who knew in 1998. in 1998 i’m guessing a fair share of people knew. because the police investigated and choose not to charge. if the police decide not to charge someone with the crime, what is the responsibility of a normal citizen? I think most people believe the cops. unless you think joe needed to be like clint eastwood in grand toreno even though he had no first hand knowledge on the incident.

  97. ncrdbl1 says: Aug 7, 2012 12:00 PM

    I can tell by the comments that most here have NOT read the Freeh report. This was the most contradictory report i have ever read in my 50 plus years. Let’s pass on a few facts about the events and not just rumors that are floating around. ONLY ONE incident occurred wh8ile Sandusky was employed by the university. It WAS reported to the police and investigated. It was the DA who felt there was not enough evidence to go to trial. When the latest incident occurred Sandusky was told NOT to bring youth on campus and the university passed on the information to the organization which Sandusky was employed. Too many younger generation readers are making the claim that Paterno knew and helped cover up there incidents. This is because they did not know the man. If they knew teh man they would know that there is no way he coudl have done what people are accusing him. Remember the criminal investigation of the incident found NO evidence that Paterno did anything wrong. If teh grand jury couldn;t find any crime you have to wonder if the Freeh report was not just teh BOT and the current administration covering their own a$$e$. Remember the Freeh investigations REFUSED to interview witnesses that did not support their view of the events.

  98. ncrdbl1 says: Aug 7, 2012 12:07 PM

    Tommy57 how hard is it to sink into your thick skull THIS IS NOT A NCAA MATTER. It is a criminal matter that needs to be handled in the criminal justice system NO NCAA RULES WERE VIOLATED.

  99. tommy57 says: Aug 7, 2012 12:26 PM

    @ncrdbl1

    I’m at a loss to understand why you think I believe the opposite – that this is, somehow, an NCAA matter. I’ve been posting for the past several weeks that the NCAA had no role here and that they displayed their inepitude in their actions. Yes, I agree with you – it’s a criminal matter, not an NCAA rules-violation matter.

  100. tommy57 says: Aug 7, 2012 12:36 PM

    @ Coach Stagg, who writes

    “By all means let’s have a full bore NCAA investigation.
    Let’s look at the entire athletic program,the entire
    University Administration, PSU’s involvement with Second Mile, the BoT and EVERYTHING involved with Sandusky. You will not like the results.”

    Thus, you believe there is more to be uncovered and you also believe (by your resisting an NCAA investigation) that it should remain uncovered? Isn’t that how we got into this mess? Let us bring forth the full force of NCAA investigative prowess (sarcasm intended) so that we will then know the whole truth! What can possibly go wrong with such a plan?

  101. footballlover64 says: Aug 7, 2012 1:10 PM

    Hey, I love PSU. And even Joe Pa. I’m a pretty forgiving guy even though I root for a different B1G team. But I have to respond to the myriad responses to this blog that have been harping along the lines of “the BOT was left in the dark during the sanctions process. That is what they are appealing.” They’re right. BUT the NCAA dictates the timetable, not the BOT. Had not Erickson stepped up and negotiated with the NCAA, PSU would’ve received a 4 year death penalty. What do they think they can get by suing? My guess would be a 6 year death penalty.

  102. footballlover64 says: Aug 7, 2012 1:19 PM

    ncrdbl1

    It sounds like you’re about my age. How naive are you? Fact: if you even have a SUSPICION that a child is being molested, you are legally REQUIRED to report the incident to LEGAL authorities, not your boss. I love Jo Pa. But he did not follow these serious legal requirements. He either knew he was involved in a cover-up or was an old dude that didn’t see it as his responsibility to keep up with the times.

  103. dkhhuey says: Aug 7, 2012 1:26 PM

    @ncrd – yes, we’ve all read the Freeh report – we just did it without being under the influence of the PSU Kool-aid or wearing the PSU colored glasses! Hence, normal, sane, rational human beings. Joe Paterno knew Sandusky was anally raping children and did nothing but cover it up along with the help of the other idiots. They all deserve what they get.

  104. williegy says: Aug 7, 2012 1:40 PM

    Despite all the horrific actions uncovered, it doesn’t seem that the culture at Penn State has changed in the least.The football program still appears to be all important there & I fail to see any hint of remorse from the board members about this whole sorry affair.Given all this, I think that the NCAA made a mistake in not just totally shutting down this football program for some period of time.Don’t the people running PSU have any realization about how badly this scandal has tarnished the reputation of the school?Don’t these folks have any remorse about the kids who were raped & the fact that school officials at the highest level just covered it up for years?Have they no shame about any of this? The answer seems to be a big NO & I find that disgusting.I can’t imagine anyone sending their children to a university like this.

  105. poppyitis says: Aug 7, 2012 1:53 PM

    There is no fool like a PSU fool. I hope they get their way and the NCAA really gives them 4
    years off like SMU received. There is nothing that will reverse this situation in the eyes of the public and to keep it in the headlines is a mistake. I feel for the athletics, but there is always after shock. residual effects, carry over, guilt by association and so on in all punishment. The Pater no family is saying, lay the blame on anyone you wan, but not Joe.
    A BIG mistake.

  106. haterhurter937 says: Aug 7, 2012 2:05 PM

    everybody hatin on penn state needs a night with sandusky. F#CK ALL OF YOU!

    PENN ST FOREVER BITCH!

  107. crazyfootballfun says: Aug 7, 2012 2:23 PM

    I think it is sad that kids have to be punished for something they had nothing to do with. that said, how in the world can you not come down on Penn State harder than you have ever come down on another school. What their head coach and others did to protect a monster at the expense of innocent kids is unbelievable. People who say the love kids did nothing! they protected their school, their legend, their money over all else. I feel bad for the innocent football players, but personally, they got off easy. they should have been given the death penalty for schools. Appealing this just makes me madder.

  108. psunick says: Aug 7, 2012 3:21 PM

    Interesting how some folks (omnius) think that Ben is an apologist for Penn State, and that others (me) think that he’s on a witch hunt against the school.

    Which means that Ben must be a damned good writer.

  109. houndofthebaskervols says: Aug 7, 2012 3:26 PM

    hahaha

    Good for Penn State. Now maybe the public will be forced to take a more objective look at what really happened, instead of forming their stupid uninformed opinions from reading headlines. LOL

  110. houndofthebaskervols says: Aug 7, 2012 3:33 PM

    @ dkhuey

    Uhmmm, “we’ve all read the Freeh Report?” I dont think so. First of all, ESPN had a poll on that that showed 90% of you monkeys had NOT read a single word of the damn thing, and there were over 200,000 votes. Pretty good sample size I’d say.

    And second of all, since you claim you have read the Report, to say “Paterno knew Sandusky was anally raping” anybody is not true. Its certainly not reflected in the report, and there is also nothing in there that indicates Paterno was part of any cover up!

    What is important here is what he knew at the time, not conclusions he drew 10 years later after all the press coverage and an extended Grand Jury investigation. Sorry.

  111. psunick says: Aug 7, 2012 3:39 PM

    Right on, hound!!

  112. pens5829 says: Aug 7, 2012 5:18 PM

    It’s obvious the current sanctions didn’t quite get the attention of the entire obnoxious”We Are.. Cult” that got PSU in this position in the first place.

    Easy fix. Repeal the current sanctions and slap them so hard with new ones they’ll wish they never heard of Joe Pa, Sandusky, and the other clowns that brought this once proud program down.

  113. joeblackbird1 says: Aug 7, 2012 5:45 PM

    If Penn State wins in court, does that mean
    sanctions against all football programs will
    be null and void?

  114. dkhhuey says: Aug 7, 2012 5:49 PM

    @hound – play all the word games you want to justify your point of view. Joe Paterno knew Jerry Sandusky was having sex with a child in the showers at PSU! He is a scumbag and it is too bad he died prior to all of his legacy and precious program being drown in a quagmire!

  115. jaxstate92 says: Aug 7, 2012 6:57 PM

    There have been other schools that have taken the NCAA to court after being handed sanctions. I do believe that a certain SEC school did it in the last 10 to 15 years and cleaned up. They still had to serve the sanctions. But if the amount they recieved in damages are correct it explains the expansion to thier Stadium.

    So PSU might have found a leg to stand on, I think the punishment they got was justified, except maybe the way they let other teams contact the player. They could have done that much better.
    Still all the transfers have gone well except for the kid who had to work his ass off to earn one at USC. Then he had to give it up for Redd, USC is still on scholarship limitations ( they only have 75 ) . But that’s the way Kiffin runs a program, no need to worry. He will have USC in more trouble very soon.

  116. houndofthebaskervols says: Aug 7, 2012 7:27 PM

    @ dkhhuey says:
    Aug 7, 2012 5:49 PM

    “play all the word games you want to justify your point of view. Joe Paterno knew Jerry Sandusky was having sex with a child in the showers at PSU! He is a scumbag and it is too bad he died prior to all of his legacy and precious program being drown in a quagmire!”
    ___________________________________

    “Word games?” lmao Like did you read the report or not? Apparently you didn’t, which makes you a liar. Sorry about that.

    Paterno did not know Sandusky was “having sex with a child”, if nobody told him how the hell did he know. Read the report nimrod, its all in there.

  117. cometkazie says: Aug 7, 2012 7:49 PM

    Anybody can read the report, but that doesn’t mean they understand it.

  118. dkhhuey says: Aug 7, 2012 8:39 PM

    Yes – word games. He know Sandusky was showering with small children in 98 and he knew he was showering with a kid in 2001 when McQuery told him that Sandusky was with a kid in the shower and it was of a sexual nature. If you want to continue to believe Paterno’s ridiculous f@#$ing line about not understanding that could happen – well then, continue to bury your head in the sand and worship this POS. Those of us outside of PSU understand this pathetic old man enabled Sandusky to anally rape and molest children for the next 14 years in the name of The Penn State Way!

  119. mrmafaka says: Aug 7, 2012 8:54 PM

    PSU needs the death penalty, the BOT need to be in jail along side Sandouchebag, too bad JoePa checked out, he should be locked up too, Football first, what, a baby raper in their midst, shhhh, it’ll go away, its been over 10 years their little secret was safe, they thought they were safe, NOT, I think JoePa knew the gig was up, and he gave up and wanted to die, so he did.

  120. houndofthebaskervols says: Aug 7, 2012 10:48 PM

    @ dkhhuey

    LMAO “He know Sandusky was…” You obviously didnt go to school at Penn State, in fact I’m not sure where you went to school…maybe Arkansas or Mississippi? haha

    First of all, lets clear up the question of whether (not weather) or not you read the Freeh Report… you didnt, that makes you a liar. And Paterno did no such thing, and furthermore if you read the Report then you would know that he was not aware of any abuse occuring AT THE TIME in 2001. Mike McQueary didnt tell him, so maybe you can enlighten us all by telling us all just how it was that Paterno knew all this stuff when nobody told him???

    You’re just another loudmouth. Why dont you go kick your dog and give your keyboard a rest. rotf

  121. amosalanzostagg says: Aug 7, 2012 10:52 PM

    If Joe Pa didn’t know why did he declare he wish he had done more? A dying declaration is admissible in court.

  122. houndofthebaskervols says: Aug 7, 2012 11:18 PM

    @ amos

    With the benefit of hindsight, 10 years later and after all the press coverage and a multi year Grand Jury investigation, what would you say?

    Paterno didn’t know AT THE TIME, read the report. I guess thats too much trouble for this dain bramaged crowd?

  123. amosalanzostagg says: Aug 7, 2012 11:32 PM

    tommy57 says: Aug 7, 2012 12:36 PM

    @ Coach Stagg, who writes

    “By all means let’s have a full bore NCAA investigation. Let’s look at the entire athletic program,the entire University Administration, PSU’s involvement with Second Mile, the BoT and EVERYTHING involved with Sandusky. You will not like the results.”

    Thus, you believe there is more to be uncovered and you also believe (by your resisting an NCAA investigation) that it should remain uncovered? Isn’t that how we got into this mess? Let us bring forth the full force of NCAA investigative prowess (sarcasm intended) so that we will then know the whole truth! What can possibly go wrong with such a plan?

    Let’s recap for all the PSU supporters.

    JoePa allowed a man of dubious character with young males full and complete access to HIS football program and football facilities. Joe Pa had absolutely no influence with his AD, the President of the University, nor the BoT. All it would have taken is ONE phone to ban Sandusky from the Penn State campus. That ONE phone call never took place. Sort of like the ONE phone to State Police officials advising them to investigate one of his former coaches. Joe Pa makes the ONE phone call to the State Police, and PSU supporters are asking the Vatican to canonize Joe Pa as a Saint upon Joe Pa’s death. It didn’t happen.

    An NCAA investigation into the entire PSU athletic Department and the entire support structure both in and outside PSU will raise more questions than answers. There are more than enough former employees and athletes that if queried by investigators would lead the investigation to areas that the NCAA had not had access before. Take an
    cursory question about Clery compliance by an investigator, and you’ll find out that compliance by the University was non-existent. Yet the University
    still applied for and received federal grants. If the University was this lax on an important part of FEDERAL law, what makes you think it would comply with NCAA regs? An investigation WILL lead to more questions and less answers.

    You really think the current Governor of Penn really wants the NCAA looking into the PSU BoT and their relationship with him as AG /Gov with
    the Second Mile Foundation? You think that the University is prepared for even more bad news about PSU? Are alumni and supporters so myopic
    that they would turn a blind eye to more corruption and more legal troubles for the University? Oh, wait, they already have by allowing
    the University have no institutional control over the Football program. Remember Joe Pa was Penn State Football. He was the face, he was the stand up eduacator, the man which was above reproach,
    the mentor of men and the enabler of a convicted child molester… some legacy.

    I do hope that the BoT is successful in overturning the sanctions. Because the NCAA, in coordination with the Feds and using the Freeh Report as a guideline will be all over the ENTIRE PSU program, Universty and Athletic Department like Sandusky on a young male in the Penn State
    shower room.

  124. gipper66 says: Aug 7, 2012 11:39 PM

    everybody hatin on penn state needs a night with sandusky. F#CK ALL OF YOU!

    PENN ST FOREVER BITCH!
    —————————————————
    Really? Anyone critical of Penn State needs to spend a night with Jerry Sandusky ??

    If this is indicative of the attitude of Penn State fans , given the circumstances of the Sandusky molestation and subsequent cover up by the higher ups at that University, then honestly… if they do go through with this appeal, and the NCAA sanctions are up held, then I believe that the NCAA should go ahead and exercise their option of a four to five year DEATH PENALTY for the program !!

    Sorry, but this goes way beyond any rivalry feelings toward Paterno, or Penn State as it pertains to Football !! This was a tragic case of an evil and wicked man using his position with the Penn State football program to lure unsuspecting young kids into his clutches for the purposes of violating them in ways that many of us can not fathom !!! And to further increase the pain of this tragedy for all concerned, these kids only chance for relief from Sandusky’s sick and perverse acts, was Joe Paterno and the Penn State powers that be, who chose to protect and shelter it reputation, rather than spare INNOCENT kids from further harm !! That’s what the bottom line here is. Penn State really needs to re-consider this act, because it will further infuriate the general public within and outside of the world of college football. Their name is never going to recover from this. If they feel that the NCAA sanctions are wrong, then they need to sue Louis Freeh first, because it was his firm’s report that led to the sanctions. If they don’t do that, then that should be all we need to know about the accuracy and findings of the report !!

  125. amosalanzostagg says: Aug 8, 2012 12:04 AM

    Hound,

    JoePa knew what Sandusky was doing. Joe Pa was bot a dummy. He knew everything that happened with his program. He had his program run his way.
    Why do you think PS fired the entire Football
    Administration office staff? They wanted to change the CULTURE from the ground up.

    Joe Pa allowed a sexual predator to roams the field @ Beaver Stadium and have full unfettered access to HIS football program. He ALLOWED a convicted CHILD Molester to accompany HIS team to Bowl games.

    Joe PA knew this when his reaction to his firing by the BoT by saying he wish he had done more.

    Joe Pa knew and enabled Sandusky to prey on innocent young BOYS on PSU property.

    Some role model.

  126. houndofthebaskervols says: Aug 8, 2012 12:15 AM

    @ amos

    You’re an idiot you know that! And you dont have a clue of the timeline or what was in that Report. You are drawing conclusions years after the fact based on supposition and fantasy. Joe Paterno did not negotiate Sandusky’s retirement package, and there are no press reports of him ever being seen in public with Sandusky after his retirement dinner. And Penn State did not fire the ENTIRE football staff, nor the administrative staff. I dont know where you get your news, but you need to get your head out of your arse dude cause you are clueless. Sorry.

  127. mythoughts2012 says: Aug 8, 2012 12:36 PM

    I just can’t get over how many people (PSU Haters?) can justify that the horrible actions taken by Jerry Sandusky and the actions and inactions by the former head coach and high level administrators, total of 3 I believe, justify sanctions that punish so many others who had absolutely no part in what took place over these years. By the way, I am not a PSU alumni or fan. I have always pulled for the other team since I work for and with so many PSU alumni. But what did any of the current or former PSU players have to do with this? What did any of the current students or alumni have to do with this? What did all of the business owners in Happy Valley have to do with this? Not a GD thing!!! That’s what really pisses me off. Does some punishment to the school need to be enforced? Yes. Financial punishments in terms of a hefty fine (already included in the sanctions) would be in line since these people that didn’t take the correct steps with Sandusky did represent the school. But a death penalty or penalties, scholarship cuts and other sanctions that have been or were threatened were overkill against people no more guilty of Sandusky’s actions than his victims. This simply makes many more hundreds of thousands of new victims. And I am not comparing the level of victimization. There is no comparison. But that doesn’t make it any more fair, just much more vengeance taken against Penn State so as to be politically correct I guess.

  128. normtide says: Aug 8, 2012 12:51 PM

    Sorry to tell you, but that is how sanctions always work. A booster paid albert means (only 2 people involved), and alabama was hit hard. Bush took money from an agent (again, only 2 people), and usc got hit hard. Both fan bases suffered from the actions of a few. There was cover up by a hand full of coaches and admins at psu, TO PROTECT THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.

    I dislike how “haters” is overused these days. I dont hate psu, never have. Still dont. A message is sent, do not let the good of football out weigh the protection of children. I fully stand by that. Do you really think without the sanctions psu could move forward? Accept them, and doing the right thing is your only way to ever be able to recruit again.

  129. mythoughts2012 says: Aug 8, 2012 4:07 PM

    So that is how sanctions always work. I guess that makes it OK. Never change. Never question. Other schools maybe get screwed, so PSU should too. So you think the sanctions are going to help PSU move forward? Does that mean that without them, and no one is stating that nothing be done, they would have continued to look the other way for any other problems to protect the football program? I sincerely doubt that. Every school, especially PSU, is going to learn from what happened here. I think the thing that really bothers me the most about NCAA sanctions in general, since you brought up the other schools, is that they punish much more than the people responsible. Not only does the punishment need to fit the crime, more importantly to me is that the punishment be addressed to, and limited to those that committed the crime and not a whole student body, alumni and others. And that is exactly what these sanctions accomplish.

  130. normtide says: Aug 8, 2012 4:37 PM

    First off, the crime is the wrist imaginable in my book. Pretty much, trading child molestation for status quo in the program. Your right, the punishment does not fit, nothing fits that crime.

    But, let me apologize for the entire country. We thought the story was about a pedophile and the powerful men who enabled him. No, it’s all about your saturdays being messed up. That is not selfish at all. Would you have offered up the children in your life for some wins? Actually you sound like joe and the admins: it’s just children, dont let it hurt your football.

    You would think the fact it happenend on your campus would make you rally for child protection, but that is not worth your saturday. Most psu fans know this was warranted. You sir really need someone in your life to keep you grounded. You need to get your mind right brother.

  131. dkhhuey says: Aug 8, 2012 5:28 PM

    @hound – I read the report twice! Joe Paterno knew about it in 1998 and he know about Sandusky having sex with a boy in the shower in 2001. He lied about to the grand jury and if he didn’t take his dirt nap – he’d be facing perjury charges along with the other scumbags. Joe knew and he deserves to rot in the darkest deepest parts of hell. I’m just sorry he isn’t alive to see what his choice to protect a child molester has done to his precious program!!!

    YOU ARE – NAMBLA U

  132. dkhhuey says: Aug 8, 2012 6:10 PM

    From the Freeh Report:

    May 1998:

    Curley notifies Schultz and Spanier that he has ‘touched basis’ with Paterno about the incident. Days later, Curley emails Schultz: “Anything new in this department? Coach is anxious to know where it stands”

    Joe knew about Sandusky showering with children in the locker room. He subsequently lied to the grand jury.

    Paterno also testified to the grand jury that McQueary told him he was fondling the boy and obviously doing something with the boy. It was of a sexual nature.

    Joe knew, he covered it up, and he deserves everything he gets!

  133. amosalanzostagg says: Aug 8, 2012 7:04 PM

    houndofthebaskervols says: Aug 8, 2012 12:15 AM

    @ amos

    You’re an idiot you know that! And you dont have a clue of the timeline or what was in that Report. You are drawing conclusions years after the fact based on supposition and fantasy. Joe Paterno did not negotiate Sandusky’s retirement package, and there are no press reports of him ever being seen in public with Sandusky after his retirement dinner. And Penn State did not fire the ENTIRE football staff, nor the administrative staff. I dont know where you get your news, but you need to get your head out of your arse dude cause you are clueless. Sorry.

    The truth hurts doesn’t it. Name one football coach
    from Paterno’s staff that is coaching at State Penn
    this year? Bueller? Bueller?

    The entire Football Administration Office was reassigned to other jobs within the University or extended retirement packages.

    PSU blew up the football culture @ PSU because they wanted a fresh start w the new coach. That means new people in new positions. I know it is hard for you to fathom.

    You brought up the retirement package for Sandusky, not me. The best part of the State Penn
    conspiracy is that you didn’t have to have dinner with Sandusky, you just keep him close to your program and allow Sandusky access to molest young innocent boys while affiliated with your own program. JoePa took great pride in running his program his own way. Touting the academic prowess of his wards, stressing the academic of the
    athletes under his guidance. Yo’re telling the world that a man who was smart enough to graduate from an Ivy League school, who was going to go tolaw school, is suddenly struck dumb when he has a sexual predator in his program, and then still allows the guy access to his program after the fact? Allit would have taken is ONE call from Paterno to the Athletic Director and Sandusky would have not had the free reign that he was allowed by both
    Paterno and Univeristy officials. Joe Pa NEVER made the ONE phone call.

    If Joe Pa was so innocent, why did he make the statement “I wish I had done more?” Quite telling,
    a guilty conscience perhaps?

    Why are you such an ardent supporter of a child molester such as Sandusky? Joe Pa knew and enabled Sandusky to continue his criminal activities AFTER Sandusky “retired.” and no amount of “blue ribbons” or University funding
    will wash the stain of what Joe Pa did to those kids.

    Nice try though!

  134. amosalanzostagg says: Aug 8, 2012 9:30 PM

    fetchezlavache says: Aug 7, 2012 12:15 AM

    @azpetdoc and rays fan

    First off, let me say that in the overall scheme of things that the loss of scholarships and bowl games assessed against the football program are NOT the worst thing that happened at State. As Emmert said in an interview, the darkest day(s) were the days Sandusky committed his crimes. And while I realize that using “university” in conjunction with “culpability” was not meant to label the 70,000, please remember that the enablers in this crime were a select few. I would respectfully suggest that you be more specific when attributing complicity/culpability

    Though I might not agree with the members of the BOT that are threatening legal action, I still do not understand why the NCAA threatened Erickson with the death penalty if word got out that the NCAA was considering “lesser” penalties. But in the end it would be best to take the medicine and try to retain the best of Joe (emphasis on education) while avoiding the worst.

    As for those that are angry about the BOT and would love to see State get the death penalty, the NCAA still has that power in its grasp. The consent decree stipulated that the NCAA reserved the right to impose more sanctions if further damaging evidence should arise. While State could end up settling civil legal matters, there still exist the potential for investigations by the DOJ for Clery Act violations.

    Finally, for Amos and all of those questioning the disappearance of the DA, I have one simple question. If someone was to have been “taken out” in order to preserve the clean appearance for State, wouldn’t it have been better to take out Sandusky? The X-Files conspiracy talk contributes nothing to the discussion and can too easily be blown out of the water by a simple question like mine.

    __________________________

    You don’t think that a University that hid
    Sandusky for over a decade from the public is capable of hiding compliance issues from the NCAA or from the Feds on Clery compliance?

    No X-file conspiracy.

    The missing DA has never been found, the hard drive from his laptop is missing after being retrieved from a river and the case developed no suspects.

    From what I have learned on the DA, he was a consummate professional who did his job very well.
    He rightly declined to prosecute Sandusky on the 1998 incident. We have no idea why he disappeared. So in reopening the NCAA investigation on Penn State, why not open the cold case file on his disappearance? What does Penn State have to hide? After al, they would never cover up a crime would they?

  135. mrmafaka says: Aug 8, 2012 9:38 PM

    Maybe JoePa didn’t say anything because he was up to no good too, for all we know, there could of been a couple of baby rapers in the locker room.

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