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Pat Dye wouldn’t trade Chizik ‘for 10 Sabans’

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In the one-plus seasons since winning the 2010 BcS title, Gene Chizik‘s Auburn Tigers have gone just 9-8 in the post-Cam Newton era, including a subpar 4-6 mark in SEC.

The 1-3 to the start of the 2012 season, with the lone win against Louisiana-Monroe in overtime and two of the losses coming in conference play, has led to the temperature on Chizik’s seat rising a few degrees.  The fourth-year coach, though, still has at least one supporter.

One very passionate — and some would say delusional — supporter.

Speaking at the Montgomery Quarterback Club Tuesday night, former Tigers head coach Pat Dye continued his very public defense of Chizik with, well, this:

“Don’t question the guy we got leading the program,” Dye said according to the Montgomery Advertiser. “I wouldn’t swap him for 10 Sabans.”

Saban, of course, is Nick Saban, the current head coach at No. 1 Alabama and winner of three BcS titles at two different SEC schools with three different starting quarterbacks.  Chizik’s lone title came courtesy of the one-year rental that was the Heisman-winning Newton.

Dye, though, wasn’t referring to Chizik, the coach, or the amount of wins and titles he has as compared to the Tide coach.

“Saban is the best coach in the country — I’ll grant him that,” Dye, who predicted UA will win the title for the 2012 season, said, before adding, “[b]ut he ain’t a better man than Gene Chizik.”

OK then…

Dye went on to laud how hard Chizik’s Tigers have played, particularly in the loss to then-No. 2 LSU Saturday.

“I’ve been saying that they played as hard as any football team I ever coached at Auburn, and I coached some pretty damn good ones,” Dye said during the appearance.

In major college football in general and the SEC specifically, no trophies are given out for how hard one plays.  Wins, especially in the SEC, are the only currency that matters for a head coach, and Chizik’s account has been in short supply since the departure of Newton.

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40 Responses to “Pat Dye wouldn’t trade Chizik ‘for 10 Sabans’”
  1. lew24 says: Sep 26, 2012 2:45 PM

    How about 11 Sabans?

    Pat…I would trade Chizik for 1/2 a Saban!

  2. roundup5 says: Sep 26, 2012 2:57 PM

    It’s amazing the words that good southern bourbon
    causes you to say!

  3. timh1955 says: Sep 26, 2012 3:01 PM

    Pat is obviously senile or he wouldn’t say something as stupid as that.

  4. reefcup says: Sep 26, 2012 3:24 PM

    Wait there are 10 Sabans? Urban Meyer just had a heart palpitation…errrr….esophogeal spasm

  5. jason1214 says: Sep 26, 2012 3:24 PM

    Well nice of Mr. Dye to add his two cents…..but he is DEAD wrong. RTR

  6. dalucks says: Sep 26, 2012 3:44 PM

    Calm down people. It is not like they can spend 200K on a Heisman trophy winning, top overall NFL draft pick quarterback every year.
    Let’s be honest, if college football had 10 Nick Saban’s at 10 different schools then college football would be very competitive and not watered down with all of these weak spread offensive teams.

  7. mediumsizedrobb says: Sep 26, 2012 4:30 PM

    Saban wasn’t a genius when he coached at Michigan state just like Bill belichik wasn’t even considered “good” when he coached the browns. These guys are only as good as the situation they are currently in. If their roles were reversed and saban was at auburn do you think you’d the college football world would be fellating him week in and week out like they do now?

  8. wabbitslayer says: Sep 26, 2012 4:58 PM

    Don’t worry, Pat. Nobody in Tuscaloosa has any intentions of trading any number of Sabans for Chizik.

  9. zhangocracy says: Sep 26, 2012 5:32 PM

    Looks like Cam Newton isn’t the only one who’s been on the Gene Chizik payroll.

  10. 2011bcschamps says: Sep 26, 2012 5:56 PM

    I’m sure he came up with that thought during happy hour. Wait! It’s
    happy hour all day for Dye. My bad!

  11. rastabilly says: Sep 26, 2012 6:38 PM

    How about one cam newton?

  12. thegeneral7694 says: Sep 26, 2012 6:44 PM

    @mediumsizedrobb: What fortuitous “situation” do you think Saban walked into at LSU? They hadn’t been any good for 20 years, because they had coaches like Curley Hallman and Gerry DiNardo. Saban showed up, and turned them into a power. What sort of shape do you think Bama was in when Saban got there? With the exceptions of 1999 and 2005, they were average to below average every year since 1994. Why? Mike DuBose, the Mike Price fiasco, Mike Shula….that’s why. Saban showed up, and in Year 2 he won 12 games…with mostly the same players that Mike Shula could barely get to .500. Before Saban, there was nothing sexy about Alabama…but there damn sure is now.To answer your question, if Saban were in his 6th year at Auburn instead of Bama, then Auburn would be ranked in the top 3 right now and would likely have 2 national titles. No Saban defense has ever been torched as badly as Chizik allowed his to be last year.

  13. surly1n1nd1anapol1s says: Sep 26, 2012 9:07 PM

    Saban had great results at State, especially so at a much early time in his coaching career.

  14. rolltide510 says: Sep 26, 2012 10:24 PM

    This is great news. I was starting to get worried Gene would get the boot after this year. Here’s to another decade of “young teams” on the plains.

  15. Deb says: Sep 26, 2012 10:38 PM

    @mediumsizedrob …

    Great coaches have to develop just like great players.

    Much as it pains me to say, you’re not giving Belichick enough credit for the work he did in Cleveland. He came to the franchise in 1991, made a mess of relations with the city’s beloved QB Bernie Kosar, and still managed to get the Browns to the playoffs in three years. But it’s not surprising the on-field product in 1994 reflected that everything off field had gone to pieces. The Browns ceased to exist in 1995. I don’t think anyone could have succeeded in that environment.

    As for Saban, in three years, he had a perennially mediocre Michigan State team upsetting then top-ranked Ohio State. In his second season at LSU, the Tigers won the SEC Championship. In four, they were BCS champs. He also raised the money to revitalize their facilities, which is part of the reason they’re still so competitive today. In two years, he brought Bama from 17 years of mediocrity back to a national title. And Mike Shula was a dreadful recruiter, so he had to start from scratch there, too.

    Yeah, I expect if Saban came to Auburn today, at his current age and talent level, he’d have the same results he’s had at LSU and Alabama. Belichick has coached in eight Super Bowls and has five rings. Saban has three national titles in eight years. You’re comment about fellating is just junior high sour grapes. Both these guys have earned their accolades on the field. That’s why they get the attention.

  16. cyraider says: Sep 26, 2012 10:44 PM

    As an Iowa state fan, I couldn’t be happier Chizik bailed on us. We’ve won more games every year since he left than we did in the two he was here. I wouldn’t trade one Paul Rhoads for 83 Chiziks! (how many sabans is that? Math hurts….)

  17. geo1113 says: Sep 26, 2012 11:10 PM

    How would 10 Sabans put up with themselves…all would want to be the top dog.

  18. 2011bcschamps says: Sep 27, 2012 6:50 AM

    With 10 Saban’s, here would be 2 Saban teams playing for an NC every year. Talk about stacking the deck!

  19. 2011bcschamps says: Sep 27, 2012 6:51 AM


  20. tlmoon2112 says: Sep 27, 2012 8:14 AM

    Im no Auburn fan but I agree, there arent enough Sabans on the planet to trade Chizik for. At least Chizik has character. Id rather have my kid playing in a losing program but learning character that will help him the rest of his life instead of playing in a program that wins dirty.

  21. dmvtransplant says: Sep 27, 2012 9:15 AM

    What did people expect Pat to say: “he got us our first championship since the 50’s, but get rid of him he lost the Iron Bowl last year” ? This reminds me of my family members that are Texas fans. Who think Mack Brown should be on the hot seat, despite being the only UT coach since the 70’s to win a NC. Sometimes you only have 1 great season with a championship attached and a lot of average afterwards, just ask John Gruden.

  22. jimbo75025 says: Sep 27, 2012 9:18 AM

    tlmoon2112 says:Sep 27, 2012 8:14 AM

    Im no Auburn fan but I agree, there arent enough Sabans on the planet to trade Chizik for. At least Chizik has character. Id rather have my kid playing in a losing program but learning character that will help him the rest of his life instead of playing in a program that wins dirty.

    Uh, what? Have you forgotten the Cam Newton fiasco? If Chizik had half the character you claim he would have pulled Newton off the field when it became apparent there was somehing fishy going on.

    I am no Saban fan, but he plays by the same rules as everyone else. I recall no major infractions under Saban? If you are referring to his “grayshirt” manipulations, it takes two to tango. The players know Alabama offers them great pro exposure/training and are willing to play the game. If not, once they learn of the request, I believe they are free to move on-most do not however.

    While I agree character is important, there is something to be said about being expected to win and having the discipline to ignore the distractions and play up to those expectations also builds character.

  23. harveyballwanger says: Sep 27, 2012 9:20 AM

    Just shut up Pat, have another drink.

  24. Romulus says: Sep 27, 2012 9:44 AM

    @ jimbo75025 says: Sep 27, 2012 9:18 AM
    exactly! if chizik or had thought something was wrong in their recruitment, he would never have played him. He showed noble character in the way he handled it from the beginning. That being said…Coach Dye is a little delusional. People in Auburn want to make him a Bearesque type figure, but he is not the voice of the Auburn nation or the football program…Chiz we admire you, but you have to win football games. period. WDE

  25. tlmoon2112 says: Sep 27, 2012 9:54 AM

    @jimbo75025: I’ll be as honest with you as I can be boss, I dont know all the particulars of the Cam Newton story to understand or make an appropriate call on that. Maybe you can explain to me what that was all about, Im more then willing to listen. I generally dont comment on things I dont know about and Cam Newton is one of them. All I know is that he was Tebow’s backup and left UF one day and ended up at Auburn. Seriously, thats as much as I know.

  26. kozbee says: Sep 27, 2012 10:08 AM

    Dye should hold his breath and explain the losses the last two seasons with Chiz.IMO Auburn should start recruiting a new Head Coach.

  27. wareagle01 says: Sep 27, 2012 10:49 AM

    “dalucks says:Sep 26, 2012 3:44 PM

    Calm down people. It is not like they can spend 200K on a Heisman trophy winning, top overall NFL draft pick quarterback every year.
    Let’s be honest, if college football had 10 Nick Saban’s at 10 different schools then college football would be very competitive and not watered down with all of these weak spread offensive teams.”

    Sigh. Just because you say something over and over again doesn’t make it true. The NCAA and SEC have ruled that Auburn had nothing to do with any pay for play scheme to get Cam to come to Auburn. And really, a Harvey saying anything about pay for play is a bit rich. Bear Bryant made a career out of paying kids to play for him. He left Kentucky and Texas A & M under a cloud and he admitted that boosters were paying off Alabama players in 1966. Furthermore, the SEC never did clear him of that Georgia game fixing charge. So really, I suggest you and your fellow Harveys get back to your trailer parks where you can do something more productive. Like maybe sitting around drinking beer and concocting new tree poisoning techniques and, while you’re at it, maybe you can come up with a plan for beating ULM. Since you have yet to do that. Unlike Auburn. Next.

  28. Deb says: Sep 27, 2012 11:50 AM

    @jimbo75025 …

    Don’t try to reason with tlmoon2112. No, he doesn’t know any particulars about any infractions from any SEC school. And he can’t provide a single example of any rules he’s broken at LSU or Alabama. He just comes on every thread that mentions Saban and rants that the guy has no character or integrity, that he’s a dirty coach, that he’s a rotten parent, that his daughter is a nasty brat, and that he’s a bad man. Believe it’s called Coach Envy 😉

  29. mike693466 says: Sep 27, 2012 12:09 PM


  30. seveninc2000 says: Sep 27, 2012 12:14 PM

    It’s funny you either love nick or hate him, in the world of college football it’s win or lose for most fans, in reality Jimmy Johnson won in college and the pro’s, Nick and Bobby ran from the challenge, Pay Dye remarks about Sagan are on point, he’s a great Win coach, but he has destroyed a lot of young men’s dreams,, if winning is the only thing that matters, Saban is your man, but I would feel much more comfortable with my son at LSU with Les or Auburn with Gene, the old ball coach at South Carolina, or Florida State, health and educational wise, when a coach, say I can make your son a millionaire and can’t give you any specifics about life beyond football, your child maybe in trouble from the start, if injured he might find himself on the outside looking in, but as long as our University is winning who cares about the student athletes, Nick Saban

  31. telstar44 says: Sep 27, 2012 12:15 PM

    Thats ok as long as Bama beats the sh1t out of the barn every year. Can’t wait for November 24 cause its gonna be another classic beat down of the barn at the hands of those Bama boys. I guess Pat Dye got his cheating ways from the Bear. Talk about paying players. Dye got caught with his hand in the pay for play cookie jar.

  32. forsheefan says: Sep 27, 2012 12:44 PM

    It’s funny to me about the fans here in this state I remember when Bama hired Saban how some fans showed up at the airport when he got off the plane.Then the season arrives an i know some fans thought Saban would win the nc his first year.And then he lost a few games an BAM i could see it coming from a mile away I can’t beleive we payed a hc 4 mill and we get this remember this bama fans?So me personally I think Chizik will be around at Auburn for years to come he’s a young hc this his 6th year of being a hc.Saban has experince at the hc thing an with Chizik’s recruting looks to me he’s catching on just wait a few years i know that’s hard waiting but i beleive the future is bright.

  33. seveninc2000 says: Sep 27, 2012 12:59 PM

    Cam this, Cam that, Alabama fans, last year a Auburn commitment conveniently receive a new car and switch from Auburn to Alabama,, this year a Alabama commitment switches 2 Auburn and NCAA opens investigation, while other school suspended players for not following the rules, Dre’ Kirkpatrick tested positive for drugs conveniently after the season, I guess he started smoking after the BCS Alabama fans, I’m not a fan of either but fact are facts Saint Nick is not as Saintly as bama wants us to believe

  34. tlmoon2112 says: Sep 27, 2012 1:06 PM

    I see Harvey Updyke’s wife (@Deb) has spoken, also known as Harvey’s sister.

  35. Deb says: Sep 27, 2012 3:30 PM

    @seveninc2000 …

    Saban has significantly increased graduation rates among football players since taking the head coaching position at Bama. And for those who have ambitions to play in the NFL, he’s got an amazing reputation among league scouts for having his kids pro-ready. I get that you don’t like the guy. And all of us get why fans of competing schools don’t like the guy. But you have no idea what you’re talking about in saying he’s not the best person to prepare his players for life after the Crimson Tide. You guys just make this stuff up as you go with no basis in fact.

    Look … just man up and say, “I don’t like Nick Saban because he’s a hard-ass coach who takes nothing from nobody and beats the crap out of most comers on the field.” Your pretense at caring about the guy’s morals or acting as though Steve Spurrier, Les Miles, and Gene Chizik have behaved with any more morality than Saban in how they’ve conducted their coaching affairs–when there are ample anecdotes and films clips proving otherwise–is gag-worthy.

    Saban is a coach, not an angel. And I’m not some hypocrite who tries to pretend otherwise. Wish you guys would just save the holier-than-thou garbage about your coaches for people who just fell off the turnip truck.

  36. abrellbama says: Sep 27, 2012 5:05 PM

    Gene Chizik and good character do NOT belong in the same sentence. Coach Saban has great character and makes sure these kids go to class every day. Gene Chizik doesn’t care about their education. He is just a “puppet” anyway. Saban builds character. Just because Auburn fans are so jealous and envious of Alabama you try to slam Coach Saban but how you can even compare the two when Saban cares so much more about his players than Chizik does is beyond me.

  37. 2012dylanshaw says: Sep 28, 2012 8:56 AM

    ALL YOU GUYS STOP ACTING LIKE CHILDREN!!!if we didnt have saban,chizik,miles,richt,spurrier,etc….we wouldnt be the top conference in the nation!i’m proud to be a Gamecock and i’m also proud of the fact the sec has won the national title the past 6 years running.i hope we win it 6 more years in a row!!!hopefully we can get into this list soon!!if you always try to pick apart the winners chances are your proibably a loser in life!if you appreciate the winners and learn from them chances are you’ll be a winner yourself!!stop putting eachothers programs down.i love rivalries as much as the next person,but be proud that we are all in the SEC and not the ALL cupcake conference!!!!!GO GAMECOCKS!!!!!

  38. shimmersheltersky says: Sep 28, 2012 3:04 PM

    Let’s not kid ourselves. Away from a narrow view of football according to current arrangements, there is plenty of room for improvement. Perennial BCS contenders looking to hire a new coach can take note of a few situations rather than the success of individual coaches like Nick Saban,, Chip Kelly, and Mike Gundy. For Kelly and Gundy, where would they be without the money their programs have received from Phil Knight and Mike Gundy. “Pro worthy” facilities go a long way. If you want to contend the 4 and 5-star recruits that’s one way. We can also take away something from Nick Saban’s NFL time. Blatantly obvious that this also attracts the pro potential recruit. Away from this idolization of winning at all costs, the coaching I admire most is the job done at Navy until their recent slip, or look to Boise State which came out of nowhere. It is harder to build a consistent winner at the FCS, D2 and D3 level – always a balancing act in recruiting as top recruits for their level are often bumped up a notch. One notable thing I’ve seen is that top-notch D3 teams are night and day better than the past. I prefer “out of the limelight” ball because I find the super conference BCS system a diversion from the purpose of higher education. We are no doubt falling behind except for record sales of La-Z-Boy recliners. Let’s not forget education and I think JC minds should play JC football – two years of remedial education; then earning an associate’s degree with player suspensions rigidly enforced for failing grades. For every NFL roster slot, there are dozens who dream of a shot. What happens to those who get close and fall short? Get real.

  39. wjmoffatt says: Sep 30, 2012 11:18 PM

    Chizek isn’t worth Saban’s morning Honey Bun

  40. springkeeper says: Oct 3, 2012 8:24 AM

    Thenreason is simple: Pat Dye is more interested in playing for the tie, than winning.

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