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After beating USC, No. 8 Stanford turns around and loses to Washington

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Two weeks ago against previously-ranked No. 2 USC, Stanford didn’t need no stinkin’ Luck. On Thursday night, however, the No. 8 Cardinal could have used a little — or, a lot — of Andrew Luck as it found itself on the other end of an upsetto Washington, 17-13.

Stanford, which had racked up over 400 yards on the ground against the Huskies last season and rushed for 200 against the Trojans two weeks ago, couldn’t even get 100 yards from the running game this time around. Quarterback Josh Nunes was straight awful at times, often throwing passes low and out of reach of his receivers. But, in fairness to Nunes, he received little help when he was accurate. Receiver Ty Montgomery dropped at least two or three passes he should have had for big gains.

Nothing about what Stanford did offensively against Washington was in sync or effective — which also means Washington defensive coordinator Justin Wilcox deserves all the kudos and accolades that will undoubtedly be thrown his way following Washington’s first win against a top-1o team since 2009 (a 16-13 win over No. 3 USC).

Unfortunately for Wilcox and Co., things don’t get any easier. A trip to No. 2 Oregon awaits the Huskies on Oct. 6, and the Ducks, while still technically unproven, are playing at the high level they always do under Chip Kelly. If there’s one thing tonight’s game proved, it’s that the gap between Oregon and the rest of the Pac-12 North looks to be much more significant than it was last year.

Washington will have a chance to prove otherwise next weekend, but there are still serious concerns about UW’s offensive line. Keith Price is one of the Pac-12’s best quarterbacks, but he’s only as good as what his protection allows (hint: it’s not much).

Likewise, time will allow everyone to see just how the Pac-12 North race plays out. But if we’re looking into our crystal ball today, tonight’s upset gave us more confidence in the Ducks than it did anything else.


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28 Responses to “After beating USC, No. 8 Stanford turns around and loses to Washington”
  1. timh1955 says: Sep 28, 2012 1:19 AM

    The PAC12 is just a weak conference. Maybe they can merge with the WAC or MWC.

  2. huskersrock1 says: Sep 28, 2012 1:35 AM

    Well my team is in the Big 10, I am in no position to call any other conference weak.

    They’re both soldiers baby!

  3. papabush88 says: Sep 28, 2012 2:43 AM

    PAC is loaded this year.

  4. southernpatriots says: Sep 28, 2012 4:04 AM

    We always enjoy the Washington Huskies. Their fans are some of the best in college sports. For the Huskies I met and know I am very happy for them. It is easy from this great distance to see some problems in the PAC 12, with over-rankings of USC and of Stanford. The Huskies did not over promise, did not brag or boast of their greatness. The Huskies were not arrogant. The domination of LSU over Washington looks better at this moment, than the pundits gave credit for during and after the game.

    Oregon likely is the real thing, but like all college teams, a couple more games is best to make that determination. Oregon had a very good team last season and faced LSU on Sept. 3, 2011 and was supposed to be the fastest team in the U.S. but was throttled by the LSU defense, and LSU won the trenches and speed comparisons, 40-27. The Ducks are great fans and we always enjoy them.

    Washington lost to LSU on September 8th 41-3, alllowing the Huskies only 26 yards rushing.The Huskies suffered four sacks for minus-28 yards and netted 26 yards rushing on 24 attempts. LSU outgained Washington, 437-183, including a 242-26 advantage on the ground.

    Now Washington beats Stanford after Stanford beats USC, both of which I thought would happen. Oregon appears to be the power in the PAC12, but there are a few tests along the way.

    These shake ups with the top ranked teams was expected from the beginning of the popularity rankings. I would prefer rankings to begin about the middle of October, and usually when the BCS begins to rank teams, enough quality opponents have been played by all to ascertain a reasonable strength ranking for the teams.

    Alabama is the ranking BCS National Champion. They remain the champs if and until some team comes along and beats them. The other teams are relative strength to that standard. LSU will always know where we stand since every year, EVERY season, we will play Alabama. At that time we will see where we really stand.

  5. norcalirish says: Sep 28, 2012 4:36 AM

    What, the hell Stanford.

  6. allidoiswin55 says: Sep 28, 2012 6:49 AM

    Unfortunately UW is extremely young and untested. They Admit getting beatdown by a superior team In LSU. But to believe a conference is “Overated” is sort of going too far.
    This is why “MATCHUPS” are more important when determining what the score or stats tell you!
    Wa is young, respectably small, and very inexperienced, If you go to LSU. its easy to be overwhelmed by the sheer size and speed of them. Remember a few years back. LSU @ Wa.. similar type team but difference was they were at Home.. Vs Away.. And that day LSU barely escaped with a win. Not much has changed since then. LSU is still awesome and UW is still building depth!

    The overlooked issue is that conference play has to be properly accounted for. The PAC 12′ (Basement teams) beat nationaly ranked teams. They have that sort of depth in the Pac. Not good enough to be Ranked, But good enough to be almost anyone! There are teams who absolutely are terrible within certain confrences and are essentially “gimme games”. Not to mention the outter conference warmup games people Schedule on top of those! Fact is The Pac has very little differenceybetween its Best and worst in comparison to other major conferences, especially those constantly shifting! LSU and BAMA are ages above the rest of their conference. No matter the sexiness of their teams. Stanford was definitely a good team But remember they started the year at like no.18.. USC had a bad game VS a quality team I dont think anyone would say that Stanford is better than Oregon and or USC. Thats why footballs amazing. The best team doesnt always win. USC is still a serious powerhouse same with Oregon. USC just hadnt been in a meaningful Big game since Pete Carrol. They didnt handle adversity well when their line got injured and That happens to be Stanfords strength! Just bad timing!

    As far Washington they are young and has had top 20 classes for 3 years. Eventually theyll put it togther once they reached a thorough depth of talent as some of the Nations Best teams. They can GET UP for a team. It was a Home Game. Thursday Night nationally televised with 10 days to prepare! And against a team they play every year and know what to expect!

    With that said. Almost any team can “RISE UP” for a game out of No Where! Happens quite often.. When you have talent its certainly possible..

  7. florida727 says: Sep 28, 2012 7:58 AM

    I’m not a fan of the “A beat B, and B beat C, so C must really be awful/over-rated” philosophy, but if the pollsters are, USC just took a huge hit to their BCS title chances. Oregon certainly now controls their own future.

    For those of you thinking Oregon v. Alabama for the national title, circle November 3rd on your TV-watching calendar. Oregon travels to LA to face USC, and Alabama travels to Baton Rouge for a 7p ET matchup with LSU. No time listed for the Oregon/USC game. Let’s hope the TV geeks aren’t stupid enough to pit them against each other so we can watch both without having to hit the “Last” button on the remote 4,000 times.

  8. alligatorsnapper says: Sep 28, 2012 8:23 AM


    When LSU played Washington in Seattle in Sept. 2009, southernpatriots family was there among the more than 10,000 LSU fans who traveled to the far reaches of the Pacific Northwest.

    At that meeting in 2009, LSU did not have a QB. Jordan Jefferson was not a QB, a RB maybe, not a QB. LSU did not have an offense. They finally have a pro style QB this season.

    Their offense in 2009 was ranked about 120th as it was in 2010. Washington had a QB, a really good QB– Jake Locker, who could throw and run. Doubled the output of LSUs non-QB. Over 320 yards for Locker and about 50 yards rushing, including 3 first downs.

    Difference this season: 1. LSU has a QB. 2. LSU has greater depth in positions. Couple that with a 3. traditional defense, rather than nickel and dime backs and special defenses. Another difference. In 2009 they played in Seattle, this time at Death Valley. Notre Dame knows the difference. Alabama has lost there 3 of the last 4 times. Gov. Huckabee, and ESPN knows the difference, play LSU at Tiger Stadium at night and know the difference. Coach Miles at LSU has never lost to a PAC team.

    It may not mean much but truth is truth:

    LSU dominated and defeated Washington.
    Washington beat Stanford.
    Stanford beat Southern Cal.

    That is the fact and it all happened over the past few weeks.

  9. manchestermiracle says: Sep 28, 2012 9:22 AM

    Looks like the hex on being #8 this year is holding firm. This may play out just like last year when Stanford beat USC, Oregon beat Stanford and USC beat Oregon.

    A good game and in the same stadium where the Seahawks beat the Packers a few days ago. Except UW didn’t need help from the refs.

  10. papabush88 says: Sep 28, 2012 10:38 AM

    The A beats B and B beats C thing doesn’t work. Last year, USC lost to Stanford. Stanford got destroyed by Oregon, but then USC beat Oregon. USC also lost to ASU last year and ASU got blown out by ucla. But USC also dominated ucla 50-0. USC also beat a much better Oregon team last year compared to the Oregon in week 1 that LSU beat. The key was De’Anthony Thomas. He’s the impact player and he had a case of the nerves from it being his first collegiate game. By the time USC played Oregon last year, DAT had settled in and was dominating.

    This year, I think USC is clearly better than Stanford. Even my SEC friends at work think so. Even tho Kiff has built USC to match Oregon’s speed, I would love a rematch of USC and Stanford in the PAC title game. Probably wont happen though.

  11. pjduffey says: Sep 28, 2012 12:01 PM

    The bottom line is the transitive property just never works for college football because of the frequency of upsets. But looking at a team’s body of work does tell you something as to whether the win was quality or a fluke. If they played 100 games, how many would they win?

    My personal opinion, after watching Stanford/USC and Stanford/Wash, is that USC is WAY overrated (as usual) and that Stanford is a top 25 team that lost to a solid–if unspectacular–conference opponent. The upset reminds me of Florida’s 2006 loss to ‘Ole Miss around the same time in the season (recall the Tebow speech, the otherwise undefeated season, and the utter destruction of Ohio State in the national championship game that year). Stanford’s loss feels like a fluke, but I truly think that its win against USC was earned. Just my opinion.

    LSU’s dismantling of Washington serves as a reminder to the “the SEC is overrated” crowd that the SEC is truly at another level. While I don’t think you could extrapolate a 40+ point victory over Stanford by LSU in a hypothetical match-up based on those games, I have no doubt that LSU would beat Stanford soundly.

    Like SouthernPatriots, I am very impressed by Oregon so far and I think they deserve their current ranking. They look very, very good. I was impressed by their win against Arizona and the improvement their defense has shown throughout the year. That said, they haven’t played anyone except Arizona yet, so we’ll see.

    Personally, I’m very worried about my Gators against LSU. We have a bye week and home field advantage, but its going to be an uphill battle. If we lose but can keep it close, I think it’s a good indication that we are a top-15 team but not quite top-10. A win would be an upset. I think if we played 100 times, we might win 30.

  12. xtremesportsmaniac says: Sep 28, 2012 12:13 PM

    I am not sure why people keep saying USC is way overrated as usual. This is the first USC team I can remember in quite awhile that turned out to be overrated.

    I would also argue that based on LSU’s performance last week against Auburn they should at least be ranked behind FSU and are also overrated. I get Alabama was good last year but you can’t even get past the 50 yard line! I also would not be surprised to see an average Florida team beat LSU.

  13. dallasstars9 says: Sep 28, 2012 12:14 PM

    The Ducks haven’t proven anything until they can beat an SEC team. It’s a problem up front and no other conference can compete with pure size.

  14. gorilladunk says: Sep 28, 2012 1:21 PM

    @papabush….”USC is clearly better than Stanford”….I guess you missed the game two weeks ago when SC got DOMINATED all over the field by Stanford. By the way, I’m not a fan of either team. I suppose you live by the credo, “are you gonna believe what you saw or what I’m telling you”

  15. thecrazyasianinseccountry says: Sep 28, 2012 1:38 PM

    Last year LSU was 1-1 against Alabama, in the first game, not only did LSU got passed the fifty yard line they won.

  16. dmvtransplant says: Sep 28, 2012 1:38 PM

    Last year’s Alamo Bowl was the best bowl game of the year and Price looked like a Heisman winner to me. You have to give it to, Washington for getting the W, that Stanford pass rush was crazy not bad for a bunch of future lawyers & dentist.

  17. xtremesportsmaniac says: Sep 28, 2012 1:44 PM


    LSU scored 9 points in the first meeting.

  18. tigersgeaux says: Sep 28, 2012 2:14 PM

    The other team, what’s their name? ….they only scored 6. LSU 9 – 6.

  19. hardballtalkusername says: Sep 28, 2012 3:18 PM

    Dallasstar, technically Oregon beat an SEC team (Tennessee) on the road in 2010. You would probably wish to alter your statement to say the best or second best SEC team in a given year. Oregon also came the closest to beating an SEC team in the title game during the conference’s impressive streak. One thing is for sure, Chip can really coach.

  20. thecrazyasianinseccountry says: Sep 28, 2012 3:56 PM

    Tigergeaux has you at CHECK-MATE!
    Game over! Go troll somewhere else.

  21. timh1955 says: Sep 28, 2012 3:58 PM

    @tigersgeaux says:
    Sep 28, 2012 2:14 PM
    The other team, what’s their name? ….they only scored 6. LSU 9 – 6.

    The only thing LSU won in the game last November was the score as Bama won the game statistically and should have won. Either way, Bama totally owned LSU in the NC to the point it was embarrassing. This year Bama is clearly the best team and Miles has lived off what Saban built at LSU look enough.

  22. allidoiswin55 says: Sep 28, 2012 4:04 PM

    My main point is that The Pac12 IS NOT overated! UW got killed by LSU week 3. But the score does not reflect the quality of the opponent! The score is a bit skewed! UW has had strong recruiting classes.But theres little depth and they are 1st or 2nd year players with no experience. In that environment it is easy to come out and LAY an EGG.. Its simple LSU is scary big and athletic. As before in my previous post, I reminded you how LSU struggled with Washington just a few years back. This is the same type of team but far less experienced. They wont travel well to anywhere. Yet alone a top 3 team!
    But to think WA over Stanford is a crazy idea. Remember Washington was Ranked #26, almost cracked top 25 this preseason! Stanford was like #18. Does it sound like a terrible loss now? Noo..

    Stanford is a “Good” Team. But NOT Elite like Bama, LSU, Oregon, USC. A good team can beat an elite team in the right circumstances.. Especially when theres a familiarity between the two! The difference in the disception of the WA /Stanford game.. Stanfnrd was ELITE ON LUCKS SHOULDERS not anymore.. Everyone in the Pac12 knows that and even this game was circled as a TRAP GAME.. Thats not an accurate display of where each program is and or conference is! That LSU beatdown was no fluke, But the score is somewhat! The Difference between the top 6 or 7 teams in the country and the rest is rediculous! But judging an entire conference on its body of work should be the main goal in establing which are over rated. Pac12 teams are SOLID, with a couple premier teams, when Luck was around it was 3 teams. Better example is the body of work the back half of the PAC put on the field. There beating nationally ranked teams But be lucky to win 1 or 2 conference games!

    **Bama LSU Oregon better teams than almost anyone, With Oregons style of play they can loose much easier than a Bama not so much LSU this year. I mean are those massive lineman and freakishly good athletes disappearing? Hell no.. and offense can have an off night..! and find themselves collecting a LOSS, especially in a quality conference

  23. papabush88 says: Sep 28, 2012 4:11 PM

    PAC is a LOT better than what people thought they would be. B1G is overrated…again.

    Elite teams are teams in which their opponents change everything (gameplan and all) to try to stop them. USC watches film of their opponents thinking they are knowing what to expect from the opponent, yet the opponent shows up on gameday doing something completely different. Teams do this vs Bama, LSU, Oregon, and some others. But make no mistake….USC is elite.

  24. thecrazyasianinseccountry says: Sep 28, 2012 4:34 PM

    @ timh1955 and all Bama fans
    That still insist they won in their first meeting with LSU bc they had better stats, better coaches, better etc etc…
    There’s only one thing that matter and that is who had the better score when the clock hit double zero: LSU 9- Bama 6.
    9>6, another way to put it, NINE is GREATER than SIX. Or 6<9, six is less than nine.
    Is there an asterisk at the end of the score: LSU 9 Bama 6**** (but Bama really won this game bc they played harder, had the better stats, coaches are paid more, if Bama had a decent FG kicker this game would have not even been close, LSU shouldn't have intercept the ball at the one yard line, Bama beat themselves LSU had nothing to do with it, etc etc)***
    No matter how you dissect it, in 2011: LSU 13-1 (one loss to Bama)
    Bama 12-1 (one loss to LSU)

  25. v2the4 says: Sep 28, 2012 5:06 PM

    just to correct the record…when LSU played at the U-Dub(UW) in Seattle in 2009, Washington was coming off of an 0-12 season and was on a 14 game losing streak, the longest in the country at the time. Steve Sarkisian was in his first game as head coach as he replaced Tyrone Willingham. Jake Locker was the QB, but Locker was getting killed the year befor by Willingham because he was the only offense weapon the U-Dub had….Washington was a 4th down away from winning this game, but LSU escaped…..

    two weeks after that, Washington beat USC, then ranked #3 with Pete Carrol as head coach, 16-13 and Washington moved into the top 25 after the game…the next week, Washington, ranked #22, went to Stanford and got dominated 34-14…

    we see these major upsets every year in the Pac 12…who can forget #1 USC getting suprised by Oregon St on a thursday night road game in 2006 33-31, which was USC’s only loss of the year…we have seen Washington with two straight upsets in Seattle against USC and Stanford. last year, Arizona St blasted USC 42-20 on a friday night espn game…..this shouldnt suprise anyone…stanford was still riding their USC high from two weeks ago, and were caught flat footed.

    we see this in pretty much every conference, except of course, the SEC….non of the bottom dwellers like kentucky, vandy, ole miss and now Arkansas, will rise up and beat a top team, home or away, unless said top team has lost X number of letterman or a head coach…

  26. billmead1976 says: Sep 28, 2012 6:36 PM

    Not ready to say UW is any good, but a competitive UW team is good for College Football. Bow Down.

  27. papabush88 says: Sep 28, 2012 7:05 PM


    Agreed. A solid UW team is good for PAC 12. UW is only second to USC as the most successful PAC team of all time. After Barkley announced his return, Michael Wilbon said “College football is better served when USC is great.” I believe that the PAC is better served when UW is also great.
    I’m glad to see Oregon has gotten good. That’s also good for the PAC. But I fear that just like Oregon’s offense, their success is a gimmick and Chip Kelly will be on his way out soon.
    Not sold on UW yet. They’re getting there. Not there yet. While I am excited for Max Browne as a Trojan, that was a big loss for UW. Hopefully, they figure out a way to rebound.
    I’ll be in Seattle for the UW-USC game. Going to be great. Tough stretch, though, for UW: Stanford, Oregon, USC are all back to back to back.

  28. swu32733 says: Sep 29, 2012 3:40 PM

    F&/@; the Ducks. It is the best team money can buy.

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