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Texas gives the ball away, is taken out of Big 12 championship picture

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Despite having back-to-back losses in October and looking awful in a come-from-behind win at Kansas, No. 18 Texas was quietly still keeping itself alive in the Big 12 title race.

That officially ended tonight in a 20-13 loss to TCU. The Longhorns committed four turnovers and once again needed backup quarterback Case McCoy to come in for a struggling David AshAsh did sustain a rib injury in the fourth quarter and did not return, but his night was tough from the start. McCoy ended up throwing the game-deciding interception, UT’s third of the night, but he also led a nine-play, 82-yard touchdown drive in the fourth quarter.

The loss eliminates UT from at least a share of a Big 12 championship. Had the Longhorns won tonight, they still would have needed a win over Kansas State next week and a loss from Oklahoma against either Oklahoma State or TCU to force a three-way tie. A four-way tie that would have sent Texas to the BCS was also possible with a win tonight. Instead, K-State, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are now the only Big 12 teams still alive for the conference championship.

TCU is not in the running for a league title, but the Horned Frogs got a signature win in their first year in the Big 12. That would be courtesy of TCU’s defense, which held Texas under 100 yards rushing in addition to the four forced turnovers. Outside of the aforementioned touchdown drive led by McCoy, TCU kept Texas’ offense in check all night.

TCU, on the other hand, was held under 100 yards passing on the night; the Horned Frogs attempted just 10 passes for the game, but rushed for 221 yards.

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40 Responses to “Texas gives the ball away, is taken out of Big 12 championship picture”
  1. tampabayirish says: Nov 22, 2012 11:15 PM

    What has happened to Texas football? How can they recruit so well in a state full of athletes and have this little to show for it?

  2. goodfieldnohit says: Nov 22, 2012 11:19 PM

    I’m sure DeLoss is thankful that the Aggies left the Big 12. And after losing to TCU he can be thankful they won’t have to face JFF in a bowl game.

  3. normtide says: Nov 22, 2012 11:38 PM

    I don’t watch much Texas football, but from what I’ve seen, McCoy is by far a better QB. Can some fan tell me why Ash is favored by Brown?

  4. geraldthecat says: Nov 22, 2012 11:44 PM

    Can’t believe the score was that close. Texas got stomped. UT should get a least done with talent award.

  5. goodfieldnohit says: Nov 23, 2012 12:14 AM

    @normtide, McCoy also played. He is a deer in the headlights kind of QB. Just waits til he gets run over.

    Mack Brown recruited Ash and McCoy to play QB.
    He recruited Johnny Manziel to play safety…

  6. huskersrock1 says: Nov 23, 2012 12:15 AM


    Most of their commits commit as juniors, so the evaluation is far from complete. Since they are off the market the recruiting firms don’t pay much attention to their senior year and let their junior rating stand irregardless of their senior season results. Hence they have a greater propensity for signing overrated recruits.

  7. sbuel2 says: Nov 23, 2012 12:29 AM

    Texas wants Thanksgiving to be only Home games for them. Well, thank you TCU for this Thanksgiving gift for Texas at home.

  8. alligatorsnapper says: Nov 23, 2012 12:38 AM

    My Longhorn friends are going to take a ribbing from our Horned Frogs this coming week! TCU’s defense had UT’s number all night. They bent a little but usually did not break. Texas knew TCU would run the ball but for most of the game, but could not stop them.

    Longhorn alums and fans have heard this now for years, “Among the best recruiting classes each year with little to no results to show for it.”

    No disrespect for Mack Brown, and as late as Oct. 15th he dismissed the rumors, but Coach Brown should really consider retiring. There is going to be a big increase in that rumor now.

    Since 1967, TCU has not beat Texas at Austin, 15 games, until tonight. What a great game for TCU, but I am sure Longhorns are really disappointed.

  9. gavriloprincip33 says: Nov 23, 2012 1:35 AM

    Poor T-sips…ha ha ha

  10. aglawman says: Nov 23, 2012 2:20 AM

    JFF would go to jail for the things he’d do to the tu defense!!!

  11. pricecube says: Nov 23, 2012 2:48 AM

    Hope this helps our recruiting.

    Go Frogs!

  12. rsmeans says: Nov 23, 2012 5:57 AM

    Let’s be serous Texas is unlikely to be an elite team again for many years. TAM is likely to get the choice recruits in the state of Texas in the future in that most players want to play in the best conference in football–the SEC not in a rinky dink flag football conference that will over time slowly die.

  13. sbuel2 says: Nov 23, 2012 6:49 AM

    Since Texas and Mack Brown got LHN, they have been bad. After two Big 12 title wins against Nebraska and Nebraska moved to B1G, Texas has been very down and I don’t think Brown can win. His heir apparent left after being promised the job soon so is doing his thing at Florida. Maybe Mack Brown’s days should be in retirement.

  14. monsterright says: Nov 23, 2012 7:59 AM


    So do you believe TX gets more early recruits than anyone else? I don’t. I’m pretty sure that Mack Brown is a bad coach. He has been a HC for 28 years and only has 2 conference championships. The 1st one came with, arguably, the greatest college football player of all time pulling games out for him.

    I suspect there are a lot of coaches that would do better with his highly rated HS Jr’s.

  15. pedagoguish says: Nov 23, 2012 9:08 AM

    It’s always a shame when any team with the word “Texas” in its name wins, but better a frog than a cow, I guess.

  16. bobby1980 says: Nov 23, 2012 9:19 AM

    Our defense has been bad all year but who ever we have picking QB’s should have their ass beat out of town. David Ashe looks awful. McCoy is a much better passing QB than Ashe but still not a starter. We have to be able to get better QB’s

  17. gatordontplay says: Nov 23, 2012 9:24 AM

    Another instant classic for the longhorn network

  18. saints97 says: Nov 23, 2012 11:06 AM

    Imagine where Texas would be if they weren’t playing their weakest schedule in decades this year.

  19. ratedgap says: Nov 23, 2012 11:09 AM

    I guess this proves the Big 12 isn’t so tough when a 4 loss independent can come in and beat one of your signature programs. Isn’t that the same type drivel Big 12 fans spit about A&M and the SEC? Shoe, meet the other foot.

  20. apmn says: Nov 23, 2012 11:44 AM

    At least they still have their big-time Thanksgiving game.

    DeLoss, you are the Thanksgiving turkey!

  21. gorilladunk says: Nov 23, 2012 2:55 PM

    @ratedgap…the flaw is that Texas is viewed as one of the top programs in the Big 12. They haven’t been for the last few years. They are alot like the dallas Cowboys. They’re better than some, not as good as others. Consistent underachievers, doing less with more than anyone in the country. Texas is much like Georgia or Arkansas in the SEC, or even Florida the past two years. UT’s bang to hype ratio is completely out of whack. They win few championships, conference or national, but they DO sell a lot of t-shirts.

  22. ratedgap says: Nov 23, 2012 4:50 PM

    @gorilladunk…Who is a “top” program in the Big 12? Not K State. Just like Ok State, one year wonders. Not OU. They repeatedly get embarrassed against anyone in a bowl game. So you say not UT. So who is it? My only point was the chest beating some Big 12 fans did cause a totally different A&M team with a good coach now and a transcendent player at QB beat an Alabama team coming off their toughest, most physical win of the year, so all of a sudden the SEC wasn’t as good and the Big 12 was so tough. Not so much. That bears out on the field each and every year.

  23. pricecube says: Nov 23, 2012 5:25 PM


    When was TCU an “independent”?

    I do not think the SEC is as good as the Big 12 from top to bottom this year. I can only think of one or two teams in the Big 12 that are really *bad*…. whereas the SEC has five.

    This same Texas team that TCU held to six points for three quarters hung almost seventy points on Ole Miss. UT absolutely throttled them and could have scored eighty.

    Ole Miss is not even the worst team in the SEC West. They beat both Arkansas and Auburn… and they have a shot against Miss State in the Egg Bowl this weekend.

    The bottom of the SEC is an embarrassment this year. Kentucky, Ole Miss, Auburn, Arkansas, Tennessee and Missouri all *suck*.

    A&M is much improved. I think hiring Sumlin and moving to the SEC has worked out better than anyone expected for them.

    I guess we will find out more during bowl games. I do not think the SEC will be able to fill their 10 allocated slots. They will probably have 8 bowl eligible teams (.500). I would not be surprised if the Big 12 has 7 bowl eligible teams (.700)… maybe more.

    I am sure this will not be a popular post with many SEC fanatics but this is honestly how I see things. The SEC is better at the top. The Big 12 has more parity and is stronger top to bottom this year.

  24. amosalanzostagg says: Nov 23, 2012 5:47 PM

    The big 12 is nothing more than the old Big 8 plus two. Two dominant programs in OU and texas and the rest along for the ride. Texas ruined one conference and left and in the process of ruining a second one. Horn supporters always point to the outside and say “Good riddance to _______ they couldn’t hang with Texas!” Arkansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, and Texas A&M could not all be wrong. Jeez, could it all be that those schools have one thing in common? Texas and it’s obsessive compulsive behavior to CONTROL everything? Naaaaa.

    Ever wonder why the B1G selected Maryland and Rutgers instead of mighty Texas to join their conference? Could it be that University presidents in the SEC, ACC, B1G and the PAC-12 know Texas is not worth the head aches that their collective ego brings to the table? Naaaaaa.

    Face it, Texas has it’s “boutique” regional conference and is at best the fifth best football program in the big 12. Texas had to score on the last play of the game against Kansas to win. Kansas was beaten by Rice. It shows how far Texas as fallen in order to scramble to beat a team beaten by Rice.

  25. amosalanzostagg says: Nov 23, 2012 5:58 PM

    Gorilla dunk,

    You seem to have forgotten OU is the top program in the big 12, but considering what you face in Dallas every year, I’d forget about the total horrendous losses to OU year after year and focus on the new members, TCU and WVU. Oh wait, those two new “powers” beat Texas at home before national TV audiences. A phantom call in Stillwater and a last second TD against a winless Kansas keeps Texas
    from being 5-6 against Kansas State in Manhattan.
    KSU is going to be worked up and ready to play Texas. Enjoy your “boutique” regional conference.

  26. ratedgap says: Nov 23, 2012 6:00 PM


    Not independent, but definitely small conference for TCU.

    Other than that, you are spot on with the SEC better at the top part. Big 12 appears to be deeper this year, but once bowl season starts might be the same old.

    Also, the SEC has 14 teams. The Big 12 has 10. I’d take the top 10 from the SEC over all 10 from the Big 12 all day. The SEC has 8 teams with winning records. The Big 12 has 7, one of which is at 6-5. Iowa State. So I will retract complete agreement from the top to bottom part when we have 4 extra teams. 10 for 10, I feel we’d win at least 8 of the 10 matchups if we went 1-10 head to head.

  27. floridacock says: Nov 23, 2012 9:48 PM

    Texas played? They are so far down the relevance chart that I was not even aware they had a game. .

  28. bluestar4ever says: Nov 23, 2012 10:35 PM


    You are a complete idiot. TCU is in the Big 12 now. How does someone who posts on a college football blog not know that? It’s basic info.

  29. ratedgap says: Nov 24, 2012 12:05 AM


    You totally missed what I was saying. I incorrectly stated they were independent before they came to the big 12 when they actually came from a small conference. That’s been established and moved past. Don’t miss your short bus.

  30. gorilladunk says: Nov 24, 2012 9:21 AM

    @amos and ratedgap…I am well aware of who occupies the seat at the head of the Big 12 football table. My loyalty and love lie just 200 miles north of Dallas off I-35. My post only made mention of the fact that Texas has fallen to the middle of the pack in the past few years. People OUTSIDE this region still associate the name with something more than it is. (Much like ND the past decade) Frankly, OU, KSU and Okla St. have proven to be more consistent winners than Tex the past few years. And everybody better be on the lookout for TCU, considering more than half their starters are Freshmen or Sophs. Gary Patterson is a FANTASTIC coach. They throw as big a chill in me as anyone as I look forward.

  31. v2the4 says: Nov 24, 2012 11:01 AM

    all this hate and contemp for the 40 acres is just amazing…I didnt realize there were that many people out there who had this much man hate for the UT program. Everyone who is running their mouth about why the Longhorn program is in such a state of disrepair better take a look at your own schools……UT has had just as much success, if not more as all of the top schools out there, and just like any good program, they are going through some growing pains right now

    I know people are looking at the rivals rankings for UT the last few years, and wonder how they could have these high recruiting classes and still lose 3 or 4 games a year….sometimes you get a player who performs up to his potential, and other times you dont..thats why those rankings arent worth a dayum…unranked players in the mac, yet they get more players drafted in the nfl than any other conference

    the’09 class, ranked #5 overall behind Bama, LSU, Ohio St and USC, with 5 Army all americans(Garrett Gilbert was USA today and gatorade POY), have lost 15 of the 22 recruits that signed(Gilbert, Marcus Davis, Tariq Allen, Greg Timmons) only three of them are seniors(Alex Okafor, Kenny Viccaro and Barrett Matthews).

    the 2010 class was ranked rivals #3 behind USC and Florida. 6 recruits out of that class have left, including qb connor wood(colorado), WR Darius White(Mizzou) and juco transfers RB Traylon Shead and DT Taylor Bible…only 3 of the 19 left from that class are juniors.

    the 2011 class, also ranked rivals #3 behind Alabama and FSU, have lost only one of 25 recruits. 21 of those 24 left played as true freshmen.

    the 2012 class, ranked rivals #2 behind Alabama, signed 28 players, all are on the roster, and 19 of the 28 have played as true freshmen.

    Texas only has six scholarship seniors on their rosters, so this is a very young squad. the change in coaching philosophy after the loss to alabama in the jan 2010 bcs title game was probably what has held this team back…after 13 years of up tempo style offense with Major Applewhite, chris simms, chance Mock, Vince Young and Colt McCoy, the decision to try and be an sec power running team(old man football) has not worked out…

    in addition to that, missing out on the great qbs that have went thru this state have killed UT also..they didnt even offer Andrew Luck…they wanted RGIII to play DB…they had both John Brantley(Florida) and Ryan Perriloux(LSU/Jacksonville St) committed, and they both bailed the night before signing day…..Gilbert(SMU) and Wood, each 1st team all state qbs, transferred out in 2011.

    UT is so young and they will get better..the demise of this great football program is a rumor…yeah, we are only 8-3 right now, have struggled mightly against the run, but Id bet Tennessee, Arkansas, Auburn, Miami, Iowa, Cal, and a bunch of other former heavyweights would trade places with Texas in the snap of a finger….

    and finally, the big 12 top to bottom is better than the sec…the sec is top heavy, like a woman with an ugly face, big breast and no hips..the top five or six schools lift up the rest of the conference, but then again, having threee schools(Tenn, Kent and Auburn) with no conference wins is just plain sorry…and two of them will end 2012 winless in conference(Auburn aint betting Alabama)….Kansas is the only bad program in the big 12, and they were 11-2 and 12-1 in 2007 and 2008………

  32. amosalanzostagg says: Nov 24, 2012 1:30 PM

    Texas, doing less with more more since 2009. Enjoy your boutique conference.

    Texas, the Norma Desmond of college football.

  33. metroplexfrog says: Nov 24, 2012 2:52 PM

    TCU beat them everywhere in the game and were the better team.

  34. ratedgap says: Nov 24, 2012 7:39 PM

    lol @ v2tothe4

    No UT has not had just as much success or more then the top programs out there. What do you base this on, your imagination?

    The Big 12 is not as good top to bottom as the SEC. Based on each’s top 10 teams9Since the Big 12 only has 10), the SEC easily smokes the Big 12. The SEC has 3 11-1 teams. The Big 12 has 1. The SEC has 3 teams at or that will be 10-2. The Big 12 has 1. I mean, as stated before, the SEC has 4 more teams than the Big 12, more room for garbage at the bottom. But the SEC’s top 10 vs the Big 12’s is a wipeout across the board. I mean, you say the top 5 or 6 schools lift the conference, the # 6 team in the SEC is 10-2. The #6 team in the Big 12 is 7-5. Again where did you get this, your imagination?

  35. v2the4 says: Nov 25, 2012 2:56 AM


    you just made my case…there are more teams in the sec, so more room for garbage at the bottom, yet the garbage wins still count….everyone in the sec east earned easy wins over tenn, kent, and mizzou..thats three wins each for florida, georgia and south carolina, add in vandy, and thats four wins for the sec east big three..

    the sec west was no better….multiple wins for bama,lsu, and agriculture vs arky, auburn and the tandem of ole miss St….again, another four wins for their big three teams

    its only when the sec “powerhouses” play each other is when you see who is the tougher team…nothing has been settled this year in the southeast….south carolina destroyed georgia….florida destroyed south carolina, but lost to georgia….who is the better team?

    same thing over in the west….lsu beat agriculture who beat bama who beat lsu….who is better among the three?

    georgia or alabama did not play any of the powerhouse teams from the other divison, and basically skated through the regular one of these schools will be rewarded with a trip to miami to play notre dame in the bcs(the bs) title game…

    as for the big 12, say what you want, at least they play a round robin schedule in all sports, so there is no ducking anyone else now….in the past, they use to play the sec game by missing the best schools in other division. Nebraska was great at missing Texas and Oklahoma in their best years.

    the B12 is more competetive because they got rid of some baggage..colorado…mizzou…nebraska and agriculture were big 12 scrubs, but now they are stars in the b10 and sec…shows the power of those conferences..

    finally, unlike the sec, we are grown men in the big 12…we ride or die with our own bandwagon jumping going here like it is down south….you wont see a Texas fan wearing OU gear or holding a K-state pom pom, yet in the entire sec, from the beaches of florida, to the horse farms of kentucky to ozarks of arkansas and mizzou to the mountains of tennseee and the plains of auburn, you boys who cheer for vanderbilt will don a pair of kentucky t-shirt in a forest gump minute….

    the gumbo and red beans/rice eaters who bleed blue and gold with lsu will quickly put on a pair of georgia panties if they beat st nick and bama in the sec title game…..

    have a great day

  36. ratedgap says: Nov 25, 2012 11:30 AM

    V, now you just sound bitter, and jealous. K State has what, 10-11 wins? Wins over Missouri State and North Texas probably inflated that number. Then throw in Kansas, Iowa State in conference, yeah, not so tough.

    Lets look at OU, 2nd best big 12 team, UTEP, Florida A&M, also Kansas, Iowa State and other big 12 garbage. Round robin or not, cupcakes and a sucky conference equal extra wins. You never know who is good in the big 12 until they get stomped at the end for the season by the other conferences

    As far as your SEC jealousy, which is pretty obvious, tell your conference to do better. Damn right as an LSU fan I wanted auburn to beat bama so LSU could go to the SEC championship game, you’re an idiot if you don’t root for opportunities for your team to advance. And damn right when bama goes to the national championship game, I want them to bring yet another win to our conference, much as I hate bama and much as I love when they do lose. At the end of the season, the regular season no longer matters. We had our chance to beat them, and didn’t. Now they get to go smash one of these posers from the other conferences. As I said, tell your conference to do better. You don’t like that the SEC dominates championships and bowl games, beat them. But you can’t. Your team can’t. No one from your conference can. Deal with it. Don’t get jealous cause we believe teams in our conference can take any other teams out there, and root for them to do just that in bowl season. Be mad your school doesn’t have a better coach, doesn’t recruit better, doesn’t play in a better conference, can’t beat the SEC, or any other number of reasons.

    Big 12 has round robin. Whoop t doo. Who cares when more than half the teams are worthless in the national championship picture. And you still get cupcakes. Ridiculous.

  37. ratedgap says: Nov 25, 2012 11:44 AM

    I mean dude, you had to quit talking football, cause that wasn’t a working argument, to making blatant fabrications and mischaracterizations. And you completely dropped any argument for Texas. It’s ok to say you had nothing to back up your previous argument, or to not comment at all. But all the vitriol you just displayed toward the SEC shows your envy. And we love it!!!!!

  38. v2the4 says: Nov 25, 2012 4:50 PM


    Im not bitter and jealous about anything…I pounted out facts, and you never did debate them ….no one has envy, greed or jealously for the sec..come bowl time, or during march madness or the ncaa baseball playoffs, or womens gymnastics, if you have to put done your red beans and rice, jambalya, crawfish, ettoufee, boudin, and cracklin to cheer for X school from your conference because your school isnt there, it makes you a bandwagon jumper

    I love what james franklin is doing at vandy…he is winning and cant cut corners by taking non qualifers like they can at your school, or at auburn or at many of the other sec schools who take them.

    I stand by what I one bottoms feed more than the one…in every conference in America, except yours, the bottom team will rise up beat the top teams once every few years..Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, South Carolina and the addition of Texas A&M hold this conference up…..Vandy is 7-5 which is great for them…Miss St was exposed as a pretender once they played some competetion…Ole Miss had to beat them to get bowl eligible…

    the rest of the sec, at least this year, was straight up sugar coating it there…Arkansas, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee and Missouri were straight up scrubs…Mizzou lost at home to Sryacuse and Vandy…Kentucky lost to Western Kentucky….Auburn could have easily went 0-10 vs FBS competetion this year but hold on late vs LaMonroe…

    we wont have to play cat and mouse all day with this. I hope Texas meets up with LSU or one of those fine good ole boy southern football teams in the cotton bowl this year and since we already took the Mississippi Rebels behind the woodshed in their own place by 36 points(a team LSU only beat by six with a last second touchdown) earlier this year, it shouldnt be any problem….

  39. fjc1109 says: Nov 26, 2012 12:11 AM

    Speaking of longhorns, will someone please put Mack Brown out to pasture.


  40. pushingiron says: Nov 26, 2012 1:16 PM

    Six of the top ten teams in the BCS are from the SEC. 3 of the top 4.
    The SEC is 20-8 against the Big 12-2-2+2.

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