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LSU win keeps slim SEC West hopes alive

Jarvis Landry AP

It wasn’t pretty and it was far from a work of football art, but for LSU it got the job done.

A field goal with just over a minute left stretched LSU’s lead over Arkansas to seven points, and the Tigers were able to withstand a last-minute drive by the Razorbacks that ended with Tyler Wilson overthrowing the Hogs’ last-gasp chance in the end zone as the Tigers escaped with a 20-13 win.  It also kept the Tigers’ faint SEC West title hopes alive.

If Auburn beats Alabama in the Iron Bowl tomorrow (ROTFLMAO) and Texas A&M beats Missouri, it would create a three-way tie atop the West division of the six-time defending BcS champion conference.  Those two dominoes falling would mean all three teams would be tied at 6-2.

It would also mean that the Tigers would claim the division based on the SEC’s three-way tiebreaker rules.  All three teams finished 1-1 against each other, which prompts the second step of the three-way tiebreaker — “Record of the tied teams within the division” — to come into play.  Both of Alabama’s losses — assuming a defeat at the hands of Auburn — would have come against West foes while LSU and A&M would have just one divisional loss apiece, eliminating the Tide and reverting the process back to the two-way tiebreaker.

The first part of the SEC’s two-way tiebreaker is head-to-head competition between the two tied teams; as LSU beat A&M 24-19 on Oct. 20, the Tigers would advance to the SEC championship game to face SEC East winner Georgia.

As Alabama is a 30-plus-point favorite over Auburn and are playing in Tuscaloosa, however, it’s highly unlikely the three-way tiebreaker will come into play.  And if A&M happens to lose to Mizzou?  LSU would lose out on the divisional title regardless of what happens to Alabama as the Tide beat the Tigers head-to-head earlier this month.

Suffice to say, though, LSU, with their business taken care of, will be huge A&M and Auburn fans come Saturday afternoon.

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27 Responses to “LSU win keeps slim SEC West hopes alive”
  1. kdbroom says: Nov 23, 2012 7:04 PM

    Not going to happen. Auburn is so bad that even if Bama didn’t show up, they’d have trouble winning. This game will get ugly early.

  2. cometkazie says: Nov 23, 2012 7:09 PM

    LSU will go to a nice bowl regardless.

    Sit back and relax.

  3. be4bama says: Nov 23, 2012 7:32 PM

    I’m hoping for an all SEC NC game again this year. RTR!!!!

    Sent from my iPhone

  4. alligatorsnapper says: Nov 23, 2012 7:53 PM

    Coach Miles was honest, he said every time Auburn had the score even or went ahead, he would be cheering. I will too. As unlikely as lightning striking, such is this game, but lightning does strike, maybe a 1 in a million chance. Won’t bet on it, but will cheer it. (Does Cam have any more eligibility remaining? ha.)

  5. thefiesty1 says: Nov 23, 2012 8:46 PM

    Dang, I was hoping LSU would drop enough to play UT in the Cotton. And, of course sent Mack Brown packing.

  6. thecrazyasianinseccountry says: Nov 23, 2012 8:49 PM

    Oregon will be just as happy as LSU’s fan with a Bama’s lost and an AnM’s win

  7. kappy32 says: Nov 23, 2012 9:47 PM

    They don’t have a chance. There’s no way Auburn beats ‘Bama tomorrow. Until LSU develops a decent offense, doesn’t even have to be great, they won’t win another National Championship or SEC Title. Their offense has been so inept the past couple years that they couldn’t even compete with a Big 10 or Big East offense. Their play calling, especially the stupid pitch traps & pitch dives (pitches should be reserved for sweeps) are so outdated. They have the talent on offense, they’re always recruiting good offensive players, but The Mad Hatter’s offensive play calling is embarrassing. He should take off that hat & give a good offensive coordinator free reign to set up & execute a completely new & modern offense. I don’t think Miles’ ego will allow that to happen though. If it doesn’t happen, they’re just going to remain the bridesmaid to ‘Bama, Georgia, Florida & Texas A&M in the SEC. I hope they enjoy the Chick-Fil-A & Outback Bowls because they are all LSU will be seeing until there’s a complete overhaul of their offense.

  8. irishdodger says: Nov 23, 2012 10:48 PM

    If Arkansas had a competent coach, they woulda won the game. Ark fumbles one away inside the red zone….misses two FGs….among other questionable coaching calls. LSU is definitely talented, but Miles has done less w/ more than any coach in the nation. They beat a 4-8 Ark by one TD, they eke by Ole Miss & even let an FCS school, Towson, hang around. Don’t give me that “in the SEC, every team is tough” line…there’s some embarrassingly horrible teams in that conference. Mix in the FCS & Sun Belt opponents & they have nothing to brag about other than the past.

  9. kdbroom says: Nov 23, 2012 11:07 PM


    LSU has an offense. They are just inconsistent. They sure moved the ball on Bama’s vaunted defense. It didn’t help them win the game, but LSU’s defense is good enough, considering the quality of their defense and special teams.


    Style points are for losers and for teams who play in wussy-boy conferences. Championships are won in the trenches, and LSU has been way more than competitive under Les Miles. He’s won a BCS title and two SEC titles. He’s beaten the best coaches in college football (Saban, Meyer, Spurrier, Stoops) multiple times, and he’s beaten most of the other quality coaches (Chip Kelly, Jim Tressel, Butch Davis, Mark Richt, etc.) that you could possibly name. His talent isn’t THAT much better than the other teams. Give the guy some credit. He may be goofy, and he may make some questionable calls, but he must be doing something right to have as much sustained success as he has had over the years. His kids play their hearts out for him, and that takes coaching and leadership to get that kind of effort.

  10. kdbroom says: Nov 23, 2012 11:08 PM

    LSU’s “offense” is good enough…

  11. southernpatriots says: Nov 24, 2012 1:21 AM

    No doubt LSU’s defense and special teams pulled this victory out for them.

    LSU’s offense was good enough to put points on the board with some excellent passes and catches and some rushing yardage at critical times. For the first time in some years now, LSU has a more balanced offense and opponents cannot key one area without risking being burned in the other. Only within the last couple of games did LSU’s offensive line gel. It is a patchwork line of half rookies and out of position players, who proved their worth against Clowney (what did he do in the game?) and other great defensive ends.

    Mettenberger’s QB rating has drastically increased the past few games. He threw for about 225 yards, a great throw and catch for a TD and no interceptions or fumbles. That a great improvement over what was happening earlier in the season. No turnovers in a game? That is a great improvement. 16 for 29? Good outing.

    For the 14th time in their history, LSU has won 10 games in a season, with 6 of those coming under Les Miles in his first 8 seasons. In the SEC, not when the SEC was down, but when the SEC was winning NCs. Miles is a great man. In the midst of that he is a great father, a great recruiter, a great coach and he is also odd. He fits in with Louisiana who has the Swamp People, Cajun Justice, Duck Dynasty, and the best food in the world. Miles loves football, and his players. Note his recent presser after the Ole Miss game. His players love him and enjoy playing for him.

  12. kappy32 says: Nov 24, 2012 2:52 AM


    Are you serious? LSU managed to score 17 points against Alabama, the biggest game of their season. There aren’t many times where 17 points wins you games, especially in the SEC where some of the best offensive skilled-position players play. They also gave up 14 points to Michigan & Ole Miss as well. LSU ate up some yards, 400-plus to be exact, but still scored only 17 points. What good is moving the ball if you don’t score? Your sentimental victory is ridiculous. LSU’s offense is outdated & not very good. How you can accept Miles’ play calling as a fan is mind boggling. There have been at least ten times this year where LSU & faced 3rd & medium (4-8 yards), and Miles has called runs; more specifically, he called those dumb pitch dives & pitch traps (FYI, Ara Parsegian used to run those plays; just shows how outdated his offense is). Today, LSU had to squeak out a victory against an Arkansas team that hasn’t had anything to play for in about a month because LSU could only muster a whopping 20 points at home. This is the same Arkansas team that has given up point totals of 34, 52, 35, 58, 38, 30 and 45 to Louisiana-Monroe, Alabama, Rutgers, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, South Carolina & Mississippi State, respectively. Aside from A&M & ‘Bama, we’re not really talking about frightening offenses here. Additionally, in scoring those 20 points earlier today, LSU needed the catch of the year on 3rd down to score their only offensive TD; the other TD was a special teams return, plus 2 FGs. With the talent that LSU has there is no excuse for them not dropping 35-45 points against lesser opponents such as Arkansas. The only reason why they don’t is because Les Miles’ offense is ineffective & outdated, especially against the top talent other SEC teams possess, and his play calling is atrocious & extremely questionable.

    Listen, dude, I’m not saying Miles is a bad coach (despite the fact that he won his National Championship with Nick Saban’s team). Miles is one of the best recruiters in the nation & he gets an A+ from me on controlling his team & being a disciplinarian, especially for getting rid of that D-Bag Tyrann Mathieu. What I am saying is that he is not a good offensive coach & the team will not reach the success it should so long as he is calling the shots on that side of the ball. There are very few FBS & NFL coaches that serve as both head coach & primary coordinator for the side of the ball they have history controlling. When head coaches hire a coordinator for name & staffing purposes only & still control that unit’s play calling, that side of the ball tends to suffer. A clear example of this is Wade Phillips. When he was the Cowboys’ head coach & defensive play caller, Dallas’ defense was terrible. When he went to the Texans as solely the defensive coordinator, the Houston defense has been amongst the best in the NFL the past 2 seasons. Head coaches has too many responsibilities in their head coaching duties to be also running a side of the ball. You couple that with Miles’ terrible play calling & outdated offensive scheme, you have a struggling offense. Miles can recruit any type of player he desires because LSU is LSU. They would be much better served hiring a REAL offensive coordinator & allowing him to implement his choice of offense with Les Miles taking a backseat & focusing on his coaching responsibilities, which are abundant in college football. It has been shown this year that the way you beat the stout SEC defenses is to spread them out & throw the ball, mixing in the spread option runs. That is the complete opposite of Miles’ I-Formation, 2-TE, power running approach; those offenses just don’t work any more against the freaks of nature on SEC defenses. I’m not an LSU fan at all; I’m a big Notre Dame fan, but also a huge football fan. Therefore, whether Miles steps aside and allows LSU’s offense to be taken out of the early 1990’s and into the 2010’s with a real offensive coordinator, or whether he allows his ego to win & continues running his antique offense, it has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on me or my team. I’m simply making an observation here as a football fan & if you, as an LSU fan, can’t see this has to be done, then your blind, unconditional love for Les Miles is clouding your better judgment. You’re the fan, so go ahead & be happy with the bridesmaid label. I guarantee you that so long as he is running that offense, he will continue to not get the best out of his players & LSU will not win a National Championship or an SEC West Title. Go ahead & be content with your sentimental victories in key losses. I don’t accept mediocrity from my team & neither should you. Between his horrendous offensive scheme & play calling, and his sometimes worse clock management, Les Miles has cost LSU at least 2 SEC West Titles & 1 BCS Championship. He won his Crystal Football with Nick Saban’s players (Saban, who also employs real coordinators), and has singlehandedly cost the school at least 1 more; when is enough enough for you guys? He’s a good coach, but far from great. He may just be the most overrated coach in big time college football. If you guys still had Saban, or even had Brian Kelly, your team would be way more successful over the past decade & would’ve won multiple BCS Championships, easily.

  13. southernpatriots says: Nov 24, 2012 3:10 AM

    kappy32: Miles did not call the plays you indicate in your post. His OC, Greg Studrawa called them. Studrawa stepped in at an emergency notice when Steve Kragthorpe was diagnosed with Parkinson’s. Miles does not run the offense as you posted.

    Nor did Miles mis-manage the clock. Assistants were responsible for this as we have posted in previous posts for the past few years.

    You presume alot. No true facts, just presuppositions, hypothesis, personal opinions, and misinformation. Your long post, just demonstrates how ignorant you are.

  14. suprmous says: Nov 24, 2012 3:58 AM

    gatorsnapper and southernpatriots, wouldn’t it be poetic justice if AU came away with one of those irony filled 17-16 type games? Just tryin to laugh to keep from cryin over my pralines and milk right now. The rest of you folks along with gatorsnapper and southernpatriots have a good week ahead. De mous’ outa here.

  15. suprmous says: Nov 24, 2012 5:25 AM

    fore I leave I gotta ask, kappy32 what turnip truck did you fall off of?

  16. southernpatriots says: Nov 24, 2012 7:24 AM

    suprmous: Authentic Genuine All Natural Pecan Pralines are wonderful any way you eat them. Probably my favorite way is early morning with a cup of Hotel Blend Community Coffee, or three. ha.

    It is really great to hear from you. My family and I shared our Thanksgiving first with a man and his son we met from an isolated stretch of the bayou who really was beaten by Hurricane Isaac and then by the beaurocracy after it, then later with some parents of children who brought their children to the Children’s Hospital for treatment. It was a great Thanksgiving, truly reminded us of how much we had to be thankful.

    I am thankful for you, suprmous, surrounded by big brothers who played for the Crimson Tide and yet in the midst of the giant redwoods, you support LSU. You are the bravest of the brave.

    Either LSU will be playing in about another week (in the SEC championship game) or will be playing in about another month in a bowl game. A good group of guys. We’re going to take a few days off (much needed) then begin preparing for our annual Christmas Outreach.

    Best to you suprmous! Enjoy those pralines! Bon Appetit!

  17. alligatorsnapper says: Nov 24, 2012 8:11 AM

    suprmous, good to have you! Keep posting your heart and don’t be discouraged by heifers or any such poster.

    Pralines???! Pecan Pralines???! I knew I was missing something this morning! No pralines and no beignets!!! I might as well be in South
    Bend! UGH.

    Geaux Tigers!

  18. cometkazie says: Nov 24, 2012 8:13 AM

    About 30y ago I was at a banquet where Paul Dietzel spoke. Being an officer, I got to be around him.

    There were several of his alumns there and he could spot them across the room, and it was a large room.

    I’ve known several who played for Cholly Mac and their loyalty to him is amazing. Paul and Mac’s alumns form a very strong, tightly banded group.

    It seems to me Miles is made of the same stuff.

    The last twenty years I lived in Baton Rouge, I officiated track meets and Dietzel would come to bestow an award every year. He was gracious enough to act as if he remembered me.

    I could stand some pralines right now.

  19. kdbroom says: Nov 24, 2012 8:13 AM


    It’s apparent you’re simply an LSU hater, and you appear to be a Bama fan based on your comments (Saban’s team, my ass, just like 2009 was Shula’s team?), so much of what you said doesn’t deserve rebuttal. I’ll just say that your analysis is weak, at best. The guy wins football games, plain and simple. I bet the vast majority of schools around the country would willing trade places to have the success he’s had at LSU.

  20. southernpatriots says: Nov 24, 2012 9:05 AM


    Man, I love your posts! Talk about memories! Wonderful memories. I miss Cholly Mac. I have numerous photos with him and of him when he was coaching and speaking at the Rotary Club, Kiwanis Club, Boosters, etc. A great speaker as well as a wonderful man and coach.

    Paul, Coach Paul Dietzel!!! He started it all. Chinese Bandits and all. He was so aggravated at the end of the year rankings, feeling that LSU and the SEC often received the short end of the stick, that he was fuming. He spoke that there must be another system, so that teams could prove themselves on the field of play and not be subjected to the whims of sportswriters. He didn’t leave it there, he came up with a general solution of a type of playoff. That got us motivated to begin to advocate a playoff, then Cholly Mac continued this solution. Sad to say that Cholly Mac is not around today to see us heading in that direction.

    Budget cuts have greatly affected hospitals in the states, especially the only Children’s Hospital. We will be involved in a fund raiser and will be speaking with the mayor of NO about it on Monday. Like Miles he loves crawfish etouffee, so I think I will “bribe” him to listen to our proposal with some etouffee…ha. If nothing else, maybe I can get him to help with the telethon. Politicans and tv are synonomous, right? ha.

  21. rolltide510 says: Nov 24, 2012 10:50 AM

    “kappy32: Miles did not call the plays you indicate in your post. His OC, Greg Studrawa called them. Studrawa stepped in at an emergency notice when Steve Kragthorpe was diagnosed with Parkinson’s. Miles does not run the offense as you posted.

    Nor did Miles mis-manage the clock. Assistants were responsible for this as we have posted in previous posts for the past few years.”

    ….Oh. Gosh, what do they pay Miles all that money for? Hilarious press conferences? Clapping on the sidelines?

  22. thraiderskin says: Nov 24, 2012 11:23 AM

    LSU is certainly scrappy… but I think they are massively overrated, Arkansas should have been a statement game for the Tigers, not a statement game against them. Its nice to see that the state of Louisiana can just squeek by a down Arkansas team.

  23. southernpatriots says: Nov 24, 2012 12:24 PM

    rolltide510: And Saban did not call the play in the A&M game that is thought to have cost them the win. Why is he paid so many millions? Of course his assistants (OC, DC, DL, OL, TEC, QC) are making huge money for what? Guess they aren’t earning their money either. Don’t post stupid things on the blog, it makes you look bad.


    I never knew the state of Louisiana squeeked by on anything, since the state of Louisiana did not play the game, and the state of Louisiana was not in attendance, in fact, most of the state of Louisiana possibly did not even know it was an afternoon game. So based on your idiocy, the state of Arkansas lost to the state of Louisiana, the state of California beat the state of Oregon, and the state of Texas beat the state of Alabama. How ludicrous.

    A two loss LSU football team has proven they can win the BCS CG. A loss against Florida in the Swamp with a makeshift, patchwork OL which had never played together with two true rookies and a QB who had never played major college ball much less SEC ball before, try that sometime and see if you don’t loss more games than 2.

    Play the vaunted Tide and beat them until their final drive in which Minter was out due to injury and exhaustion, having made 20 tackles in the game and DC Chavis changed the defense to a “prevent type defense” which did nothing but prevent LSU from winning.

    Watch the Crimson Tide in a bowl game this season against a non-SEC opponent and see who wins. Watch LSU this season in a bowl game against a non-SEC opponent and see who wins. Other SEC teams such as Florida, Georgia, TAMU, and others can be included. Whatever bowl game they play against non-conference opponents, note the outcome. The SEC will prove again why it is the pre-eminent football conference in the U.S. (and baseball, track, and….)

  24. irishdodger says: Nov 24, 2012 12:33 PM


    Heck, they had trouble w/ Towson, an FCS school, in Baton Rouge…at night. Then they barely survived Ole Miss.

    I get that his players love him. John L. Smith’s players loved him, too. LSU is L-O-A-D-E-D w/ talent yet still can’t stay undefeated. And don’t give me that SEC crap, LSU should never have more than one loss.

    Saban built it and Miles has managed it. He could have done worse, but he should be doing better. I still believe he had the best team in the nation talent-wise in 2006 but they couldn’t TCB and missed out on another NC. Saban would have won three NCs w/ that talent. I hope Miles stays @ LSU forever.

    I’d pay money to watch Miles & Johnelle in a debate,

  25. irishdodger says: Nov 24, 2012 12:44 PM


    Wow, three paragraphs of excuses on why LSU underachievers. Dude, EVERY team deals with injuries, get over yourself. The excuse for Mettenberger is classic…he was a highly touted QB at Georgia before he broke some laws…then he went to JUCO…now he QBs LSU. But let’s give LSU a break b/c he’s a first time starter. That didnt stop Cam Newton from winning a NC did it? he was a first time starter & he also won the Heisman, Bama seems to do pretty well w/ first time starters.

    LSU choked on applesauce vs Bama where Saban outcoached Miles. They also let Florida run down their throat. The same Gators teams who needed a miracle to beat a less talented Louisiana team…Lafayette of the Sun Belt. The same Gators who had trouble putting away Jacksonville St (worst defense in the FCS!…thats D1-AA) the following week.

    Sorry, people who pay attention to college football aren’t impressed. When LSU does dominate their bowl opponent, it will be the first time they lived up to expectations all year. Other teams would kill for their talent, yet LSU wastes it.

  26. cometkazie says: Nov 24, 2012 2:35 PM

    southernpatriots says:
    Nov 24, 2012 9:05 AM

    Man, I love your posts! Talk about memories! Wonderful memories. I miss Cholly Mac. I have numerous photos with him and of him when he was coaching and speaking at the Rotary Club, Kiwanis Club, Boosters, etc. A great speaker as well as a wonderful man and coach.
    Well, I started going to LSU games in 1958 when I saw them beat Duke and the next year when they beat Baylor in Shreveport. And I listened to an occasional basketball game when Bob Petit was playing. :) I didn’t attend LSU, tho.

    I have always liked Coach Mac and the love and respect his former players have for him just affirms my respect.

    The story is told that when he was let go, an Advocate reporter went over to his house. Coach was packing in the heat. He said, “Where are all the people that wanted to help me pack?”

    He went on to make something of the Tangerine Bowl, I think it was, and advocate for assistant coaches.

    He is up there in the firmament, AFAIC. He knew there was more to life than football.

  27. southernpatriots says: Nov 24, 2012 3:12 PM

    cometkazie: I thoroughly enjoy your reminiscing. I never personally saw Bob Pettit play at LSU, because the night I was going, a friend’s wife was having her/his first child. I guess by irishdodger’s posting, that was an excuse, though I saw it as a reason. I followed the football, and other sports as much as I could over the years then and since.

    Coach Dietzel has experienced health problems the last few years. My father, and numerous other family members before and after are LSU grads. Many still live in Louisiana but some have moved to Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, Florida, and other places. We try to have a huge family reunion at least every 2 years, but I tell them they had better start having it every year from now forward…ha. Even those of us who went elsewhere for graduate education, we did our undergraduate work at LSU.

    My family and I are close to the publisher (and founding/owner family) of The Advocate. We often have dinner when I am in BR. The Advocate is now publishing a daily edition for New Orleans since the Times Picayune is no longer pubished daily. I always have preferred The Advocate sports writers.

    We started bringing shrimp and crawfish dishes to the coaches when Cholly Mac was there and continued since. The line I liked the most in your posting: “He knew there was more to life than football.” That was certainly true of Cholly Mac and is certainly true of Les Miles. The hilarity of this year’s Halloween costume choice of Coach Miles’ youngest daughter Macy was a hoot.

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