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Ex-Buffs coach sees race as reason for Embree’s dismissal

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This past Sunday was, as is usually the case following the last major weekend in the college football season, a bad day to be a coach on the hot seat. Among the coaches fired on Sunday was Colorado’s Jon Embree, who had completed only his second year at his alma mater.

On Monday, Embree held an emotional press conference in which he was visibly hurt and stunned. When asked if he thought the next coach could be successful at Colorado, Embree replied sternly “How long does he have?” It was a not-so-subtle shot at the university’s administration, which was only re-enforced when athletic director Mike Bohn took the microphone next and stumbled his way through a Q&A with reporters over exactly what was wrong with the football program.

But now Embree’s dismissal has shifted into a discussion about whether race played a role in the manner in which he was terminated. That conversation gained intensity when former Buffs coach Bill McCartney said on a local radio show Tuesday that he was given more time to build the program — McCartney coached at Colorado from 1982-’94 and has a long history with Embree — than Embree because of the color of his skin:

“Honestly, I believe it’s because I’m Caucasian. I believe black men have less opportunity, shorter time if you will. It’s just like, Dan Hawkins got five full years. Why not give Jon Embree five years? You signed him to a five-year contract.

“Men of color have a more difficult road to tread. It didn’t happen to me. Why should it happen to a black man?”

McCartney also read an open letter on the air to the university’s fans and admins, which you can read HERE, and criticized chancellor Phil DiStefano:

“I heard the chancellor said it didn’t matter what color Jon was. I think that offends every person of color out there. This guy can match wits with any white guy out there. He’s the real deal.”

DiStefano said during the Monday press conference, “We didn’t hire Jon because he’s an African-American, and we didn’t fire Jon because he is an African-American.”

Technically, Embree was fired because he didn’t win enough, fast enough. The Buffs were victorious just four times in Embree’s two years. For the sake McCartney’s comparison, Dan Hawkins, the coach who preceded Embree, had 19 wins in almost five seasons at Colorado. McCartney himself had just seven wins in his first three years in Boulder before matching that win total in 1985 and going on to have a successful tenure with the program. That was a different era though, one when coaches generally had more time to get things moving in the right direction.

This week, Gene Chizik was fired two years removed from winning a national championship. Ellis Johnson was shown the door after one winless season at Southern Miss. Both coaches are white. That’s  not to say there isn’t a point to be made about the uphill battle minority coaches face in the profession, but winning is the most crucial metric for judging a coach’s success, not the color of their skin. Or, at least that’s what you hope.

Yes, Embree may have been in over his head from the first day he stepped foot back on to campus, but he certainly didn’t run Colorado football into the ground. This is a program that hasn’t had a winning season since 2005 and will now be looking for its third coach since then. Judging by Monday’s press conference, Colorado athletics has bigger problems than Jon Embree. The fact that Bohn admitted as much shows just how bad it really is in Boulder.

The question is did Embree have a fair chance to turn Colorado around with those issues taken into consideration? If not, why?

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59 Responses to “Ex-Buffs coach sees race as reason for Embree’s dismissal”
  1. delashmit says: Nov 28, 2012 3:36 PM

    All you need to know about this post is who said it. McCartney

  2. thefiesty1 says: Nov 28, 2012 3:45 PM

    Bull! If you don’t win your gone, period. Affirmative Action was a failed experiment.

  3. sharksfan754 says: Nov 28, 2012 3:46 PM

    They fired him bc he didn’t win. Granted he didn’t perform a miracle and resurrect that terrible program but to imply he was fired bc he is black is eye roll worthy.

  4. olskool711 says: Nov 28, 2012 3:47 PM

    Wow

    This is really getting bizarre.

    Isn’t this the football team that many people considered the worst team in all of college football this year?

    Wasn’t this team considered a complete and total disaster last year?

    Isn’t the University of Colorado one of the nicest campuses in all the world?

    Don’t they have 85 full-ride scholarships to give football players to live, learn, and play for free at this mountain/skiing paradise?

    This seems like a replay of the whole “its not obama’s fault that the economy is a mess, there are no jobs, and the country is divided.” “Its all because Sarah Palin has big ear rings!”

    No matter what Bill McCartney says (and I do respect him), Embree has established himself as the poster child of the term … LOSER

  5. fnc111 says: Nov 28, 2012 4:00 PM

    So if it was only about race, the writer, McCartney, etc are telling me if Embree went 9-3 he would’ve been fired. Grow up people. It’s a new age and when you are getting millions of dollars to coach a team in a game you better win fast.

    That’s pure racism what they did to Ellis Johnson. I wish someone could be racist towards me in paying me 2 mil. What a joke.

    People out of work starving and chump head coaches crying because they suck at their job and still make millions. All over a sport. No wonder our country is going down the drain. Priorities out of whack.

  6. John A. says: Nov 28, 2012 4:00 PM

    Yup.. Hawkins got a full five years. And because he did less-than-nothing with those five years, whoever was the next guy was going to be on a very short leash…. regardless of the color of *his* skin.

    And McCartney is a clown. Remember: he’s the guy who started ‘Promise Keepers’, that dopey group. He’s not anyone whose words should be looked up at.

  7. ducknichols50 says: Nov 28, 2012 4:09 PM

    As an African American male who is 35 years old, i say this idea of racism concerning Coach Embree’s firing is complete bull $hit. He was fired because he was terrible at his job. Quit trying to make more of out of this.

  8. houndofthebaskervols says: Nov 28, 2012 4:17 PM

    Scoring offense – No. 119
    Scoring defense – No. 124

    This is why he was fired. And in the process lost to Fresno, Sacramento St., and Colorado St giving up over 130 points. What more does anybody need to know?

  9. Slim Charles says: Nov 28, 2012 4:21 PM

    Black coaches do get less chances and a shorter leash once they’re in the job. That’s just how it is – sticking your head in the sand doesn’t make it not so. The good ol boy network of boosters, et al at these places can’t help themselves. I’m sure it will change once a lot of these fossils kick the bucket but for now it’s the way of the world.

  10. teedraper says: Nov 28, 2012 4:22 PM

    Race played a role & mostly always play a role we dumb ass white people (at times) are always doing something to impact other cultures solely bc we are less tolerant of race! Yet it’s white folks always crying about how race shouldn’t matter yet we continue to so crap like this.

  11. roundup5 says: Nov 28, 2012 4:25 PM

    Jessie Jackson rides again! Embree (and our liberal media)
    need to go back over the past, and see how many white coaches
    Didn’t make it past two years, and report that statistic (don’t
    hold your breath)!
    Where is McCartney’s proof tat it was racism? The media
    need to ask him for proof. If he can’t prove it, then Colorado
    should tell him to keep his mouth shut, or he will be in court.
    Poor Ellis Johnson, if he had been an African-American, he
    could have lasted longer than he did.

  12. fmlizard says: Nov 28, 2012 4:35 PM

    If you go to their ESPN team page, you can see it was a color-driven firing. The color red.

  13. askbri says: Nov 28, 2012 4:41 PM

    He isn’t a good coach. His coaching staff stunk it up, as well.

    Plain and simple – he lacked attention to detail and the ability to get is kids to do the little things that would’ve helped his team overachieve, even with the lack of talent they have.

    A good coach would’ve gotten more out of his team this year. Embree is done and rightfully so.

  14. godzilla111111 says: Nov 28, 2012 4:58 PM

    Fired because of race?
    Hired because of race?
    Aren’t the same people responsible for both decisions?

    Equal opportunity does not equate to equal results.
    Earn it.

  15. florida727 says: Nov 28, 2012 5:20 PM

    The best ‘argument’ anyone can raise when the words ‘race’ and ‘firing’ are in the same sentence is what the article and #godzilla11111 both referenced: was he HIRED because he was black? Sorry #slimcharles and #teedraper, you can’t have it both ways, so get over the whole race-related thing. Every time a black man in this country has something go against him, it’s all of a sudden ‘race related’. Is it race related when things ARE going his way? You know, like getting paid millions to coach a football team?

  16. xaf605 says: Nov 28, 2012 6:11 PM

    Agreed godzilla!

  17. ebrownwareagle says: Nov 28, 2012 6:15 PM

    Over 300 Division 1 and subdivision schools in the NCAA. Less than 15 BLACK head coaches. Over 45% of the Athletes are Black. Over the Last 40 years on ONE BLACK head coach got a second chance as a Head Coach in the NCAA. Ty Whillingham. And he was fired one year after a 10 win season. Despite no other for seen controversies, these guys were not given a second chances. However Bobby Patreno and others in the likens of the Lane Kiffens etc… Have been given multiple opportunities no matter what those issues were. I’m just saying. If race doesn’t play a role in a white guy getting a 2nd or 3rd chance even with a checkered past and staring down the barrel of an NCAA investigation can still muster up a D1 job. On the other hand Black Head Coaches are ONE and DONE no matter how impeccable his résumé is… THen THIS WORLD IS BLIND AND MORE RACIST THAN ONE THOUGHT! WE AS A NATION DON’T WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM and to the Ones it don’t Affect! REALLY DON’T GIVE A DAMN!

  18. gorilladunk says: Nov 28, 2012 6:22 PM

    The reason may whites totally tune out guys like Embree is for this very reason – It’s never because they suck at their jobs…it’s only because of their skin color. Colorado is one of the most liberal universities in this nation. For them to decide (rightly) that this guy wasn’t showing ANY progress as a head coach at a major conference program and relieve him of his duties was the right and proper thing to do. I’m sure Embree has set himself up to get hired ………by a SWAC school.

  19. gorilladunk says: Nov 28, 2012 6:22 PM

    sorry, first line should have said “many whites”

  20. ebrownwareagle says: Nov 28, 2012 6:31 PM

    And to ALL the RED NECKS or those practicing to be A RED NECK racist of any sort! To be clear so that YOU ALL understand! Jon Embree never said it was a color issue! Bill McCartney a WHITE MAN DID! So put that in ya Wild Turkey and sip on that!

  21. seanb20124 says: Nov 28, 2012 6:34 PM

    Lazy argument, win more and your contract gets extended.

  22. seachicken64 says: Nov 28, 2012 6:46 PM

    @ebrownwareagle

    Willingham? The guy QUIT on his team. Only wanted to play golf and take his pay-out. I don’t care about a man’s skin color – just do the job well. Neuheisel (sp?) might be more respected in Seattle than Willingham – or less loathed.

    That being said, Embree walked into/was talked into a no win situation.

    McCartney is and always will be a joke. Always wants extra time to get his way – just like the 5th down vs. Missouri.

  23. yoyobra says: Nov 28, 2012 6:46 PM

    @ebrownwareagle

    If there’s a racist on this board I’m betting it is you.

  24. ebrownwareagle says: Nov 28, 2012 6:56 PM

    @yoyobra

    Yeah in a Country where BLACKS were beat and enslaved because of their skin color. In a country where Blacks sat in the back, ate in the back and were tortured with fire hoses! Yeah I’m the racist! Ya might want to look in the mirror at SELF and stare at your ancestors to find the true value of a RACIST!

  25. seachicken64 says: Nov 28, 2012 7:02 PM

    Just glad that Embree didn’t have to recruit against the tough admission standards of the rest of the Pac-12 (hah!). Just one of the many excuses tossed-out in defense of his in-defensible performance. CU is a fine school – maybe they could take the moral/scholastic high-ground in their old conference. In the Pac-12, not so much.

  26. dinklespiel says: Nov 28, 2012 7:58 PM

    I’m a 35 year old white Anglo Saxon Protestant and can tell you I do not care if he was black or white. He got his two years, sucked, and can move on so the Buffs can bask in the glory of days to come.

  27. raiderbeat says: Nov 28, 2012 8:04 PM

    Maybe he just needed 5 downs???

  28. tttrojan4life says: Nov 28, 2012 8:12 PM

    1. Colorado is one of the worst programs
    2. Colorado does not support football at all.
    3. Embree had no chance to succeed (see #1,2)
    4. Embree is black
    5. Black coaches do not get the same leeway as white coaches
    6. Embree was fired
    7. Embree was fired because (see #1, #2,#3, #4, #5)

    Embree is a solid coach. His team played hard. There was no justification for him being fired. He couldn’t win because Colorado is a train wreck. In order to be successful, you need full support. He never had that.

    Colorado may be too incompetent to fire someone because of their race. Why the Pac 10 took these miscreants in is beyond me.

  29. rolltide510 says: Nov 28, 2012 8:13 PM

    Ellis Johnson is black, right? That’s why he was fired for going 0-12 if I’m not mistaken. Those Mississippi folk are so racist.

  30. seachicken64 says: Nov 28, 2012 8:41 PM

    “this guy can match wits with any white guy out there” isn’t that kind of racist, Bill? Jerk. Hypocrite.

  31. roundup5 says: Nov 28, 2012 8:43 PM

    Ebrownwareagle: For your information, Embree announced
    that he was fired because he was African-_American, before
    that idiot McCartney opened his mouth.
    When you surround yourself with incompetent Assistant Coaches,
    you are doomed for failure. But Embree had a bunch of his
    Colorado football friends as assistants, thinking that they played
    football, so they must be able to coach. wrong!
    Some folk are not cut out to be Head Coaches. Obviously, Ellis
    Johnson is one, as is Embree. So, ebrownwareagle, for once in
    your life, don’t pull a Jessie Jackson on us!!

  32. bassmaster357 says: Nov 28, 2012 9:03 PM

    People are taken the race issue to far. Bottom line is if you have losing seasons your fired. That’s the way it is. Even in little league football. Take me I’m white, owner of (7) winning season, four undefeated, two one loss seasons and one five and five season (my last year there) and they fired me. I had five superbowl trophies. One bad year, not good enough, had a lot of injuries to star players that year. Gone. When you lose, your fired, that’s it. No color, shut up and get over it. Oh by the way look at the Louisville cardinals coach, Black ain’t he? still has his job, why? he’s a winner, keep winning coach Strong no matter if you are black. You a great coach.

  33. ningenito78 says: Nov 28, 2012 9:07 PM

    Ebrownwareagle- go watch the press conference. Embree said he wasn’t given a fair shot because he was black. Hate to break it to you but he was fired because he was TERRIBLE last year and somehow regressed this year. The school screwed up letting Hawkins drag on for 5 years and weren’t going to make the same mistake twice. Regardless of what color Embree was. Cut the militant BS out. You sound like an ignorant fool.

  34. blewinski says: Nov 28, 2012 9:12 PM

    Personally I think he should have gotten another year or 2. The school just moved to the PAC 12 and the upper class men were all Hawkins recruits, if Embree’s recruits were playing they were young and obviously a young team doesn’t always win.

  35. 11inthebox says: Nov 28, 2012 9:17 PM

    @gorilladunk who says:

    The reason may whites totally tune out guys like Embree is for this very reason – It’s never because they suck at their jobs…it’s only because of their skin color.
    ——————————-
    You’re absolutely wrong. The reason many whites “tune out” guys like Embree is because they can. As a white man, you have the option of “tuning out” anyone who isn’t a white man. It’s sort of your birthright. And you exercise it.

    Thought I’d clear that up.

  36. bassmaster357 says: Nov 28, 2012 9:32 PM

    He’s a loser , get over it, Losing records don’t keep anybody’s job. You think Alabama would keep Saban if he had two losing seasons? not hardly. Today’s world is “just win baby”, that’s all they think about. Not what you look like, so don’t make it an issue, he had losing seasons. Get over it.

  37. bassmaster357 says: Nov 28, 2012 9:36 PM

    Blame it on George Bush, you people seem to blame him for everything else

  38. wvuandsteelers says: Nov 28, 2012 9:38 PM

    Uh, does he realize Boulder is probably one of the most liberal places in this country? I mean, they just legalized pot. . Give the racism crap a rest. Not buying it. Ellis Johnson got fired after one year at S. Miss and he was white. How do you explain that? The Southern conservatives aren’t racist but the liberal potheads are?

  39. bassmaster357 says: Nov 28, 2012 9:52 PM

    Sic ‘em wvuandsteelers sic’em boy..

  40. v2the4 says: Nov 28, 2012 10:08 PM

    With Embry being a former CU player and grad, former asst coach on the national championship team from 1990 and highly recommended by Bill McCartney, who is the equivilant at CU to Bryant at Bama , Paterno at Penn St or Bowden at FSU, he felt he didnt get a fair shake, and maybe he didnt.

    it appeared that CU got worst from year one to year two under his regime. I know they only had eight seniors…I know they were playing a bunch of true and redshirt freshman, but they were an awful team to watch and hear about weak in and weak out. His issue is he only got two years to fix the issues at CU, while the coach before him, Dan Hawkins got five years, and had losing seasons in every one of them.

    What I do agree with Embry on is that once black coaches get hired and fired, they never get another oppurtunity to be a head coach, regardless of what conference they were in previously….

    Out of 41 black coaches who were fired by FBS schools, only one was rehired elsewhere(Tyrone Willingham, fired after year three at Notre Dame, was hired at Washington….by the way, Willingham only got three years, the guy behind him, Charlie Weiss, got five years)

    I will admit whole heartily some of these black guys who were hired, such as Mike Locksley(new mexico), John Blake(OU), Ron English(E. Michigan), Sylvester Croom(miss st, but would have done better at Bama if he was hired, but you know, his color made Bama pick Mike Shula), Jim Caldwell(Wake Forest), Randy Shannon(Miami), Larry Porter(Memphis), Jerry Baldwin(La Lafayette) and Ron Dickerson(Temple), shouldnt have been hired in the first place.

    However, guys like Karl Dorrell(UCLA) DeWayne Walker(currently at N mexico st with no chance to win, was UCLA d-coordinator, passed over by UCLA for Rick Nueishal), Bob Simmons(Oklahoma St), Everitt Whitters(interim coach at UNC after butch davis was fired), and even Joker Phillips(Kentucky) should have the oppurtunity to coach again at other FBS schools.

    Gene Chizik was 5-19 and was hired at Auburn away from Iowa St…Turner Gill, who was also in the running with Chizik(see Sly Croom above), was fired at Kansas by going 5-19. He did land on his feet at FCS Liberty U, where he went 6-5 this year.

    Does anyone remember when Charlie Strong first left Florida, rumor on the street was that Arkansas(even though he is a native son) didnt want to hire him because he is married to a white woman? Louisville did, and now he is a hot name among sec schools looking for a coach, like Arkansas.

    here is something to chew on….while there are only 14 black coaches for 125 FBS schools, the numbers in administration are even worse. Only 6 black AD’s…only 2 black college presidents(both women) and 0 conference comissioners.

    we see more black coaches getting hired in the nfl as head men, due to the rooney rule, and the change for advancement is a lot quicker than it is in college football.

  41. irishdodger says: Nov 28, 2012 11:13 PM

    @v2the4:

    U make some good points, but I take issue w/ a few of them. Bear with me…

    Willingham got fired b/c he wouldn’t recruit. He won ten games w/ Bob Davie’s players (happens all the time, I get that). That success brought in a nice recruiting class…but it was in spite of Willingham. He wouldn’t recruit Brady Quinn (4-star QB) until the family of his teammate, Chinedum Ndukwe, insisted he take a look at him after accepting an ND offer. Quinn was a lifelong Irish fan, so it wasn’t like he needed a lot of courting. Then he “landed” two five-stars from Baltimore (Ambrose Wooden & Victor Abiamiri) who were committed to Maryland, but had to de commit b/c of recruiting violations by the Terps staff. The nucleus of that class is who Weis won with in ’05-’06. Ty’s next two classes were abject failures as he flat out didn’t bother to recruit on today’s level thinking ND would sell itself. Those classes were filled w/ 1-2 star players w/ a 3- star sprinkled in here & there. They were the nucleus of the 2007 team that went 3-9 under Weis. Not only did those classes lack talent, they lacked depth. Most quit or transferred soon after Weis was hired. That lack of depth & talent gave Weis a pass in 2007…especially after back-to-back BCS bowls prior to that. His mediocrity in 2008-2009 is what got him fired. Weis could recruit offensive skill players & light up a scoreboard, but he was not a good head coach. Ty wouldn’t recruit & repeated this at Washington where he was known to prefer playing golf vs hitting the recruiting trail. At ND, his initials were commonly referenced as standing for Three Wood. If Ty were successful he would still be coaching. One can even question his “success” at Stanford which occurred when usual powerhouses were down. SC was struggling under Paul Hackett & UW was on probation. Give Ty credit for capitalizing on a down PAC 10 in at least one of those years. Of course, he was exposed in the Rose Bowl.

    People cried about Ty only getting three years, but no one said a thing when Ron Zook was fired in the middle of his third year at Florida. Which leads to the other reason ND cut ties w/ Ty after year three. They knew they had to act quickly if they were going to land Urban Meyer. It was still too late, however; as Jeremy Foley beat them to the punch by firing Zook early & signing Meyer before ND could.

    Now to Charlie Strong. You correctly pointed out that there may have been concern b/c he is married to a Caucasian woman. However, it has less to do w/ white folks having an issue & more to do w/ single African-American mothers having an issue. While there are far too many fatherless children in our country regardless of race, 70% of black children are fatherless…far & away the largest group. The thought was that black recruits w/ single moms would not be too receptive to a black head coach w/ a white wife. In other words, the father of their children walked out on them…now they’re asked to trust another black man…w/ a white wife (inferring that a black woman wasn’t good enough for him)..to coach & mentor their son. This position was also posited by Jamelle Hill of ESPN. You can find her conversation about this subject on YouTube. I think it was part of a First Take broadcast.

    Finally, schools like ND, CU, KU, etc are never deemed racist when they HIRE a black coach…but then are deemed racists when they choose to fire a black coach. As for Ellis Johnson…he’s an old white guy who will likely never get another HC opportunity. I don’t believe he had ever had one before. All those years of paying his dues & he’s fired after one year after finally getting a shot.

  42. bralinshan says: Nov 29, 2012 12:13 AM

    All I know is that I’m sick to death of hearing race injected into every situation where a person of color fails.
    When a White man fails….he fails. When a Black man fails, he got a raw deal due to his color.
    This coach went 1-11 this year and lost to Sacramento State. Colorado was blown out and destroyed in every game….but 2 all year. They average losing by 30 freaking points a game!
    If the school wants to change coaches after a year this damn bad? They should…
    Ellis Johnson got ONE season at So. Miss….that was enough to prove that he couldn’t do it.
    If you want a “level playing field” then you accept the bad with the good. That’s life….and that’s sports. Embree wasn’t even in the ballpark of getting the job done…..so, GOODBYE. Can we please just all grow up now?

  43. bluefunk72 says: Nov 29, 2012 12:29 AM

    Sorry! Dude was turrble!

  44. spzzie says: Nov 29, 2012 12:55 AM

    How many black coaches in top college football compared to the number of black players. Of course race played a factor

  45. 11inthebox says: Nov 29, 2012 6:51 AM

    @ Irishdodger:

    Wow. Everything you said is bullsh—t. The part about Jamelle Hill is the most disingenuous. Of course that’s Ms. Hill’s role at Espn—to pacify the masses with stupid theories rather than the truth.

    I have just one question for you: Are there any black men in this world—coaches or otherwise— for whom you have respect?

  46. bassmaster357 says: Nov 29, 2012 6:59 AM

    When you are hired to win games and you don’t live to those expectations, your gone , no race issue just a lot of crying. Sorry no more crying towels in my locker. Let’s move on

  47. 11inthebox says: Nov 29, 2012 8:17 AM

    @ bassmaster357:
    Same question.

    I would have more respect for you guys if you would just say that you don’t like black men. Don’t waste time building all of these arguments based on rumors and bull sh-it. Just tell the truth–you dont like black men.

    Then we can, as you say, “move on.”

  48. olskool711 says: Nov 29, 2012 9:49 AM

    11inthebox

    You sir, is what is known as a troll.

    Please go to your local community college, take a Reasoning and Critical Thinking course, and come back afterwards.

  49. florida727 says: Nov 29, 2012 12:40 PM

    To set the record straight, Embree did NOT say he was fired because he was black. He said he wouldn’t get another FBS opportunity (after FAILING miserably, my interjection there) because he was black.

    BTW, for anyone on here comparing the number of black coaches to black players, get a freaking clue.

    Some of the best coaches in America either sucked as a player or didn’t play at all. Want proof? Bill Belicheck (New England Patriots) was a better, by far, lacrosse player than he was a football player. Want to question his accomplishments AS A COACH? Nick Saban’s Wikipedia page lists him as doing nothing more than “playing defensive back for the football team”. Want to question his accomplishments AS A COACH? John Calipari’s (Kentucky basketball) basketball playing claim to fame? He was a point guard at CLARION STATE. Yeah. That helped him become a national championship coach. I’m sure he brags about that when he’s on the recruiting trail too.

    Being a good, even great, PLAYER has nothing to do with being a COACH. Just like it has nothing to do with being a sports franchise executive. Ask Michael Jordan.

  50. godzilla111111 says: Nov 29, 2012 1:10 PM

    spzzie says:
    Nov 29, 2012 12:55 AM
    How many black coaches in top college football compared to the number of black players. Of course race played a factor

    —————————————————-
    Excellent analysis.
    Would you care to comment on how many black prison wardens there are?

  51. irishdodger says: Nov 29, 2012 2:18 PM

    @11inthebox:

    Oh but the theory that Ark wouldn’t hire Strong b/c he had a white wife is backed up by what facts? Quit being intellectually lazy by name calling, bad mouthing & race baiting….it shows a lack of class & civility.

    If you have an issue with Jamelle Hill’s claims, take it up with her. It holds more water than what some anonymous person claims on this thread. Personally, I don’t buy either contention about Strong, b/c he was still a very successful DC & recruiter while at Florida & South Carolina. I think that trumps both of those theories…just pointed out that Hill thought this was a reason coaches like Strong & Turner Gill weren’t stronger candidates.

  52. 11inthebox says: Nov 29, 2012 3:06 PM

    ..Still didnt answer my question.

  53. v2the4 says: Nov 29, 2012 3:18 PM

    I think the subject of race is still very much a polorizing issue is sports as much as it is in everyday life. All we have to do is look at the post result comments of the recent Presidential election and its after effects and realize we still have a lot of work to do.

    I agree with the majority of comments thus far in regards to Embree was fired for doing a poor coaching job. So was Ellis Johnson at Southern Miss, who took over a 12-2 team and went 0-12…so was Derrick Dooley at Tennessee, who only went 4-17 in the sec, including 0-12 vs the Vols biggest rivals.

    the only issue I have is what Embree said about black coaches not getting another oppurtunity to be a head coach at the D1 level, while their white counterparts, some of whom have never had success, get oppurtunity after oppurtunity on name recognition alone. That holds true.

    as for my statement about Charlie Strong and Turner Gill both being denied head coaching jobs in the SEC due to the fact that both are married to white women, some people are still not comfortable with interacial marriage in the deep south, especially with a black man and a white woman….there may have been underlying conversation in the background, especially with those who pull the purse strings at various schools(boosters and sponsers), but hopefully this wont be an issue going foward.

  54. kappy32 says: Nov 29, 2012 5:32 PM

    People said the same thing when the Irish fired Tyrone Willingham & just as it was BS then, it’s BS now. Big time CFB is a results-oriented profession where school cannot afford, literally, to have a “rebuilding period.” So much money is riding on bowl appearances & conference championships that if you don’t perform in a quick fashion, then you are rightfully shown the door. The clearest example of this win now mentality was Gene Chizik being fired only 2 years removed from a BCS Championship. Everyone around the team has said that Auburn would be successful in 2013, but the school wasn’t willing to risk another lost year with no Bowl revenue coming in. Coaches in BCS AQ Conferences must know this before taking the job. I don’t feel bad for this guy one bit & anyone who says race was an issue is just an absolute fool & needs to just look to Auburn where a WHITE coach was fired only 2 years after winning a title.

  55. seachicken64 says: Nov 29, 2012 8:52 PM

    Nobody was beating down this guy’s front door to be a head coach. It was a marriage of convenience. They were trading a head coaching position with a low salary against his loyalty to the program and his lack of coaching experience. Embree and his equally unqualified coordinators just didn’t live up to what little they were offered. Now CU has more to offer andthey will expect more in return.

  56. bassmaster357 says: Nov 29, 2012 9:22 PM

    Attn: 11inthebox, your wrong One of my favorite coaches is Charlie Strong, because he is a great player and coach with respect to his team. Another is Herman Edwards like him too!I am not into racist crap, when I coached little league I went way out of my way to pick up several black kids that played for me. Took them to practice and games on saturdays because they had no one to take them, their parents worked late. Figured the time and money I had in doing that one year at the request of my wife. Cost me the overtime I could have made,gas, breakfast for the kids on gameday— $9,000.00. @ what I made 23.50/hr plus overtime. Name me a black coach that would have done that for a group of white kids. Oh I still retained all my reciepts just in case someone wanted to learn to coach, I could show them what they were going to miss. But I had a great 7 years of it. saw some of my kids were the counties leading scorers and qbs. Seen some play in colleges, FSU, FLORIDA AND MIAMI, Took great pride in knowing those kids

  57. stevequinn says: Dec 1, 2012 11:17 AM

    It’s always about race! Race! Race! Race! I think it’s pure BS. He didn’t win. He lost his job. Not hard to believe a story blaming race is found on the MSNBC web site.

  58. olskool711 says: Dec 3, 2012 10:50 AM

    I see race as a reason for this seasons bowl match ups.

  59. irishjackmp says: Dec 5, 2012 2:12 AM

    There is some really lazy journalism in this article.

    To point out that Dan Hawkins was given 5 full years and that Embree was only given 2 implies one was given preferential treatment because he was white.

    If the author had simply done 5 minutes of research as to why that was, he would have learned that Buff fans were nearly unanimous in wanting Hawkins out early but the athletic department was simply too cash strapped to do so (they were running big budget defecits at the time) and simply did not have the money for a buyout. Fortunately for them, the move from the Big 12 to the PAC 12 resulted in the annual TV revenue going from about $8 million a year to over $20 million a year. In simplest terms, they now have the cash to actually get rid of a coach they want to get rid of.

    Heck, I am not even a Colorado fan and even I know the back round there. I guess though in this age of “internet journalism” authors are more interested with getting stories on line first rather that getting all the facts before going to print.

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